Effect of 100km/h to 0km/h on a Golf Mk6 GTD in a second

[Ess_Three]

the std golfs dont/wont go fast enough for XDS to be any use

There is some truth there...
It's also that some would suggest that standard Golfs don't have the power/torque to need it, nor the owners likely to corner fast enough to make best use of it!

XDS is designed to give more traction when cornering, from what I can see - to stop one wheel spinning.

[AlanD]

This is for the MK5 so I dont know if it will be the same on the MK6

Removing Seatbelt Chime

    [Select]
    [17 - Instruments]
    [Recode - 07]
    Write down the existing coding for future reference.
    Look at the third and fourth digits in the coding (00??x0x). Add the values for the options together and put them in the third and fourth digit location to get the correct coding.

    00 - No available equipment
    +01 - Brakepad wear sensor warning active
    +02 - Seatbelt warning active
    +04 - Washer fluid level warning active
    +16 - Sedan (Jetta)

    So, if your stock Soft Coding is 0023203 and you want to remove the seatbelt chime, put in a new value of 0021203.

http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/Golf5.html

[Ess_Three]

Cheers!

[VWKev]

Let's say hypothetically, if XDS is for better handling only, then isnt that a safety feature that a car is handling better should you say, have to turn sharply or as it works along side ESP that you get better traction ? Should you need to swerve, turn sharply etc, XDS/ESP will keep you on the road more than a car without it, and as you guys say give better handling should you need it. All safety features in my eyes.

It works with ESP?
Surely ESP works on its own...and will cut power - the opposite of what XDS does...that's to allow more power to be used, and transmitted to the tarmac by preventing the wheelspinning wheel from taking (and wasting) all the torque, as it would normally do in a car with an open diff.

XDS is only a more advanced version of EDL - it uses the ABS pump to activate the calliper of the spinning wheel, to try to stop torque wastage and send it to the wheel with grip.

It's doing a similar job to a LSD (electronically...and not as well to be honest) and you would never accuse an LSD as being a safety feature, would you?

Which means you can use more power, and corner faster...in a very unsafe way!
Not especially Safety enhancing that - allowing you to corner harder!

I had to check to double make sure.... according to VW

For the first time the GTI features XDS, an extention of the well known EDL function. This is linked to the ESP hydraulics and works by applying pressure to the inner front wheel during fast cornering to prevent spinning. The one sided, precise brake pressure helps to maximise traction blah blah blah.

Sounds like it works along side it to me.

[Ess_Three]

I had to check to double make sure.... according to VW

For the first time the GTI features XDS, an extention of the well known EDL function. This is linked to the ESP hydraulics and works by applying pressure to the inner front wheel during fast cornering to prevent spinning. The one sided, precise brake pressure helps to maximise traction blah blah blah.

Sounds like it works along side it to me.

But ESP is purely electronic...it uses the ABS controller/pump to actually do the work, as far as I know.
So it's the ABS system it is linked to....as is the ESP, as it also uses the ABS to brake callipers as required to square the car up in a skid situation.

[VWKev]

I had to check to double make sure.... according to VW

For the first time the GTI features XDS, an extention of the well known EDL function. This is linked to the ESP hydraulics and works by applying pressure to the inner front wheel during fast cornering to prevent spinning. The one sided, precise brake pressure helps to maximise traction blah blah blah.

Sounds like it works along side it to me.

But ESP is purely electronic...it uses the ABS controller/pump to actually do the work, as far as I know.
So it's the ABS system it is linked to....as is the ESP, as it also uses the ABS to brake callipers as required to square the car up in a skid situation.

Well lets again just say hypothetically that VW are wrong, and they are not linked. For me, this is still a safety feature. It will only help if the GTi is ever in that position.

[R32UK]

I had to check to double make sure.... according to VW

For the first time the GTI features XDS, an extention of the well known EDL function. This is linked to the ESP hydraulics and works by applying pressure to the inner front wheel during fast cornering to prevent spinning. The one sided, precise brake pressure helps to maximise traction blah blah blah.

Sounds like it works along side it to me.

But ESP is purely electronic...it uses the ABS controller/pump to actually do the work, as far as I know.
So it's the ABS system it is linked to....as is the ESP, as it also uses the ABS to brake callipers as required to square the car up in a skid situation.

Well lets again just say hypothetically that VW are wrong, and they are not linked. For me, this is still a safety feature. It will only help if the GTi is ever in that position.

It actually means you can go round corners slightly faster. braking would be a much safer option tbh

[VWKev]

I had to check to double make sure.... according to VW

For the first time the GTI features XDS, an extention of the well known EDL function. This is linked to the ESP hydraulics and works by applying pressure to the inner front wheel during fast cornering to prevent spinning. The one sided, precise brake pressure helps to maximise traction blah blah blah.

Sounds like it works along side it to me.

But ESP is purely electronic...it uses the ABS controller/pump to actually do the work, as far as I know.
So it's the ABS system it is linked to....as is the ESP, as it also uses the ABS to brake callipers as required to square the car up in a skid situation.

Well lets again just say hypothetically that VW are wrong, and they are not linked. For me, this is still a safety feature. It will only help if the GTi is ever in that position.

It actually means you can go round corners slightly faster. braking would be a much safer option tbh

Do you always break in a straight line, I think it might be best to break and turn if your trying to avoid something ?

[Ess_Three]

Well lets again just say hypothetically that VW are wrong, and they are not linked. For me, this is still a safety feature. It will only help if the GTi is ever in that position.

VW also tell us the R has a 4WD system that can send 100% to the rear!

In this case, they aren't wrong...just not giving the full story.

For the first time the GTI features XDS, an extention of the well known EDL function. This is linked to the ESP hydraulics and works by applying pressure to the inner front wheel during fast cornering to prevent spinning.

EDL works by monitoring front wheel speeds and applying pressure using the ABS pump, to the spinning wheel...it's fairly crude and only works under 30 MPH (I have it on my Mk3) and it uses the ABS Pump to operate the callipers, via the brake hydraulics.

ESP is a set of electronics that monitors inputs and sends outputs to the ABS controller to actually do the braking - the ASP has no physical connection with the car's hydraulic brake system that I'm aware of and hence there are no ESP hydraulics - only ABS hydraulics linked to ESP inputs - unless it's changed on the Mk6?
An explanation of ESP is here:
http://www.bosch-esperience.co.uk/uk/language1/how_does_esp_work.html

Note the bit about: "It uses the vehicle's braking system to "steer" the vehicle back on track."

The fact that VW tell us that XDS is advanced EDL give the game away to anyone who understands how EDL works.

[Ess_Three]

It actually means you can go round corners slightly faster. braking would be a much safer option tbh

It would...but they are trying to sell the GTI to people who may want a Hot-Hatch type car, and may want to drive it accordingly...
So I suppose it makes sense to provide it and have many drivers not use it, than to not provide it and have new owners understeer off into the hedges and then blame the car!