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Offline axewielder

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bypass TB heating?
« on: 17 September 2009, 16:40 »
Was going to bypass the Throttle bodys supply of coolant to reduce intake temps, just get rid of one pipe+ connect the other up straight from expansion tank to the front bit. Hope you understand my ramblings, any opinions welcome, just seemed simple+easy.

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Re: bypass TB heating?
« Reply #1 on: 17 September 2009, 16:44 »
Shouldn't be a problem...I've done loads of VR6s with no problems.

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Re: bypass TB heating?
« Reply #2 on: 17 September 2009, 18:46 »
Hmmm, interesting. It sounds promising in theory; colder intake charge = denser intake charge = bigger bangs = more power. One word of warning though, I have come across a slight practical problem when applying this to my Mini. Now admittedly the Min' does still use a stone age S.U. carb that doesn't even know what day it is compared to the Golf's management system but we're still basically talking fuel and air here. Originally the Mini was fitted with an inlet manifold which was cast in unit with the exhaust, thus giving rather good heating. Mine now has a tubular exhaust manifold and separate inlet, the latter having provision for water heating to replace the lost exhaust heat. Now I, thinking along the same lines as you, eshewed such things and even pushed on further by arranging a cold air feed from the grille. Result, good power but lousy low speed throttle response. Everything was just too cold and the fuel was falling out of suspension in the airstream. Connected some water heating and lovely snappy Mini throttle response came back. Not saying the Golf will do this but just bear it in mind.

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Re: bypass TB heating?
« Reply #3 on: 17 September 2009, 19:04 »
I shall be keeping a VERY close eye on this. Very interesting mod, and if I see dyno plots proving it works or if it gets a large amount of good reviews then I shall do it myself.

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Re: bypass TB heating?
« Reply #4 on: 17 September 2009, 23:30 »
The cold air feed is before the throttle body / injectors where cold air is more dense and needs more fuel and hence more power, the throttle body / manifold is after the fuel air has been mixed and as already mentioned helps vaporise the fuel / air mixture. removing the heat from the inlet manifold will reduce not increase power. sorry.  :sad:

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« Reply #5 on: 18 September 2009, 06:06 »
The cold air feed is before the throttle body / injectors where cold air is more dense and needs more fuel and hence more power, the throttle body / manifold is after the fuel air has been mixed and as already mentioned helps vaporise the fuel / air mixture. removing the heat from the inlet manifold will reduce not increase power. sorry.  :sad:

Correct.
No power gain at all...but less heat in your inlet tract is always a good thing.
No side effects on a Golf, that I've ever found....but no miracle BHP increase either.

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Re: bypass TB heating?
« Reply #6 on: 18 September 2009, 06:17 »
still if you get it done and see any difference please inform us of your findings. please

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Re: bypass TB heating?
« Reply #7 on: 18 September 2009, 09:44 »
The cold air feed is before the throttle body / injectors where cold air is more dense and needs more fuel and hence more power, the throttle body / manifold is after the fuel air has been mixed and as already mentioned helps vaporise the fuel / air mixture. removing the heat from the inlet manifold will reduce not increase power. sorry.  :sad:

Doesn't make sense....Where the fuel mixes with the air is AFTER the throttle body, keeping the air as cool as possible all the way down the manifold and into the chamber will be a bonus, maybe not miracle HP as said already, but improved response, fuel economy, and smoother throttle will be gained.

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Re: bypass TB heating?
« Reply #8 on: 18 September 2009, 10:18 »
Been reading on this.

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9558/tbbypass.html

and a Dyno plot that proves it.

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9558/dyno.html

Only one problem thought. Read up that below a temp of 10 C it will idle crap for a while until engine is nicely warmed up. If temp of 10 C causes problems then how would the UK winter temps of 0 C or less cope?

Also, where can I get the caps to block off the TB ends, or what can I use to block them off?


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Re: bypass TB heating?
« Reply #9 on: 18 September 2009, 10:31 »
The injectors are right at the end of the inlet manifold so fuel dont get introduced until then!
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