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Offline carl1

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Re: Super or regular?
« Reply #70 on: 17 July 2009, 07:40 »
Just to clarify for those of you who dont know....

the 1984cc engine is not in fact the 1984cc ‘TFSI’ engine found in the mk5 GTI but instead the new 1984cc ‘TSI’ engine from the Scirocco. It’s got an extra 10bhp over the mk5 (and the Scirocco for that matter), taking the new GTI up to 207bhp between 5300 and 6200rpm. Peak torque remains at 207lb ft but arrives fractionally earlier at 1700rpm and is held all the way to 5200rpm.

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You sure about that fella? I thought the MKVI engine was different to the 'roc?

tbh im not sure about the rocco, but know that it is definately different from the mk5. Source was Evo so I expect them to know what they are talking about :smiley:
im sure it is the same engine as the rocco but with a extra 10 bhp as you've said, ive read it quite a few places
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Re: Super or regular?
« Reply #71 on: 17 July 2009, 07:47 »
Just to clarify for those of you who dont know....

the 1984cc engine is not in fact the 1984cc ‘TFSI’ engine found in the mk5 GTI but instead the new 1984cc ‘TSI’ engine from the Scirocco. It’s got an extra 10bhp over the mk5 (and the Scirocco for that matter), taking the new GTI up to 207bhp between 5300 and 6200rpm. Peak torque remains at 207lb ft but arrives fractionally earlier at 1700rpm and is held all the way to 5200rpm.

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You sure about that fella? I thought the MKVI engine was different to the 'roc?

tbh im not sure about the rocco, but know that it is definately different from the mk5. Source was Evo so I expect them to know what they are talking about :smiley:
im sure it is the same engine as the rocco but with a extra 10 bhp as you've said, ive read it quite a few places

Your probably right, as some of the modified roccos have seen 260bhp after a remap alone. So sounds like it is the same one.

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« Reply #72 on: 17 July 2009, 11:29 »

Mk5 tho, not mk6, but hope it helps anyone anyway! :smiley:
Mine is from a 57reg, being a BWA engine, Whats yours Alan D, could it be the AXX (or whatever it is)?Maybe thats why yours has 98% on the fuel cap.

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Re: Super or regular?
« Reply #73 on: 17 July 2009, 11:58 »
aye..mine is an AXX and has 98 specified on the fuel filler cap. Must be the early cars (mines a March 05).

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Re: Super or regular?
« Reply #74 on: 19 July 2009, 14:23 »
Yeah, mines an earlier on on an 05 plate, thats probs what it is then.

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Re: Super or regular?
« Reply #75 on: 20 July 2009, 12:05 »
Just to add a bit of fact to this thread, I looked on the technical pages of the GTi brochure I'm currently salivating over.

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Thanks to the knock control, unleaded four star (at least 95 RON) can be used instead of unleaded Super Plus.  In order to achieve maximum fuel consumption benefits on the TSI engine, Ultra Low Sulphur Petrol (ULSP) must be used.

Not that that really helps, because it says "can" be used.  Doesn't say anything about whether or not you'd get any extra benefit from 98 RON.

And what's that about ULSP?  Is that different from bog-standard el cheapo?

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Re: Super or regular?
« Reply #76 on: 21 July 2009, 19:55 »
Ah ha... Thanks to R32 for pointing out the link the the mk5 GTI Tips and Tricks

Here is the simplified reason why higher octane is better for FSI engines

Regards FSI owners mainly.

The higher the octane rating of the fuel the longer the FSI engine will run in FSI mode.

You see, when the FSI is running in 'Fuel Stratified Injection' mode it creates a lot of NoX (NoX - Very bad as far as emisions go) due to it being such a lean burn, so it has a NoX Cat which abrorbs the NoX, once its full the Nox probe (fancy lambda probe) senses this and the engine switches back to normal running and can safely clear the NoX out with the other gases through the main Cat so it can switch back into in FSI mode again.

The problem with octane levels is, and this is just an example depending on driving styles.

Out of 100 miles average :-

95RON - 90 miles normal, 10 miles FSI (lots of NoX made in FSI mode)

97+RON - 60 miles normal, 40 miles FSI (some NoX made in FSI mode)

Now regardless of what anyone says this is how the engine is built and as its more efficient in FSI mode VW always recommend the highest octane rating for this reason, they did introduce a 1.4FSI for the uk market that is made to run on 95RON fuel for longer but you want to see the size of the NoX Cat, more like a tanker. lol

And after all that, you will get better miles to the gallon running 97+RON regardless of it being an FSI, its they way they are made these days, the ecu recognises when the fuel mixture combusts and will adjust it accordingly, the cheaper the fuel the more retarded the timing, the more retarded the timing the less power, the less power the more you 'need' to put the foot down
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Re: Super or regular?
« Reply #77 on: 22 July 2009, 10:17 »
Cracking find there :cool:

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Re: Super or regular?
« Reply #78 on: 22 July 2009, 10:20 »
Well, that's all about FSI, which I now understand, but the Golf GTi brochure is talking about a TSI engine.

Forgive my ignorance, but can someone explain?

Rolfe.

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Re: Super or regular?
« Reply #79 on: 22 July 2009, 10:23 »
Well now thats the difference we are talking about. The mk5 had the fsi engine and the mk6 has the tsi.

If it were in anyway possible for VW to get better mpg out of the mk6 gti then im sure they would have done it. 95 or 97ron wont make any difference if its set to run on 95 :undecided: