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Offline R32UK

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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #110 on: 19 July 2009, 20:03 »
Quote from: Exonian on 19 July 2009, 19:59
Then Top Gear is on at 8 so the world goes on hold...... :lipsrsealed:
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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #111 on: 19 July 2009, 20:52 »
Quote from: R32UK on 19 July 2009, 20:03
Quote from: Exonian on 19 July 2009, 19:59
Then Top Gear is on at 8 so the world goes on hold...... :lipsrsealed:
oh shizzel... thats now!!

You not got it on series link ?  :shocked:
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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #112 on: 20 July 2009, 13:39 »
Quote from: VWKev on 19 July 2009, 20:52
Quote from: R32UK on 19 July 2009, 20:03
Quote from: Exonian on 19 July 2009, 19:59
Then Top Gear is on at 8 so the world goes on hold...... :lipsrsealed:
oh shizzel... thats now!!

You not got it on series link ?  :shocked:

Have now!!  :grin:
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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #113 on: 16 August 2009, 00:40 »
Quote from: R32UK on 11 July 2009, 18:56
Lets try a little ewxperiment..

Change down from 6th to 2nd using your dsg and i will do the same... whos quicker now??  :wink: :grin:

Nope - you loose!  If you use the kickdown in the DSG, it can go from 6th to 2nd in less than a third of a second, whilst 'blipping' the throttle to match the engine revs.  Try going from 6th to 2nd in a manual, and you will need serious clutch, throttle and stick control.  Been there, done that, still wearing the T-shirt!
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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #114 on: 16 August 2009, 00:46 »
Quote from: R32UK on 11 July 2009, 20:41
For the dsg to get from 6th to 2nd it does still have to go down through each gear :wink:. I would go straight from 6th to 2nd :tongue:

Not necessarilly.  The ONLY time the DSG goes through each gear like that is when it is in manual mode, and the shifts are called for 'manually' via the paddles or shift lever.  But when it is in any of the auto modes, or even in manual mode and kickdown is used, the DSG can 'skip' certain ratios - and when in 6th, it DOES kickdown straight into 2nd!  :nerd: :smug: :nerd: :smug:
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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #115 on: 16 August 2009, 00:58 »
Quote from: howlingmoon on 12 July 2009, 17:44
I would wait for a few more years until reliablility issues with the DSG is fully ironed out. Considering commercial introduction of the DSG was only made in 2008, the technology needs to mature a little longer before I am confident in it.

Huh - you are only 5 years late with that!  The DSG was introduced in 2003 in the Mk4 R32, and the Audi TT - and have more than proved their reliability.  I suggest you look at the wikipedia DSG article (which was mainly written by me) - and you will realise that the DSG is basically two manual gearboxes in one - so ancient technology, a pair of oil-bathed multi-plate clutches (which are used in nigh-on all motorbikes, so again, well-proven technology), and a 'mechantronics' module - which is exactly what ALL electronically controlled conventional autoboxes use.  So what, exactly, needs 'proving' ????
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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #116 on: 16 August 2009, 20:46 »
Quote from: Teutonic_Tamer on 16 August 2009, 00:58
Quote from: howlingmoon on 12 July 2009, 17:44
I would wait for a few more years until reliablility issues with the DSG is fully ironed out. Considering commercial introduction of the DSG was only made in 2008, the technology needs to mature a little longer before I am confident in it.

Huh - you are only 5 years late with that!  The DSG was introduced in 2003 in the Mk4 R32, and the Audi TT - and have more than proved their reliability.  I suggest you look at the wikipedia DSG article (which was mainly written by me) - and you will realise that the DSG is basically two manual gearboxes in one - so ancient technology, a pair of oil-bathed multi-plate clutches (which are used in nigh-on all motorbikes, so again, well-proven technology), and a 'mechantronics' module - which is exactly what ALL electronically controlled conventional autoboxes use.  So what, exactly, needs 'proving' ????

Yep, I have been corrected on this point. Strangely, I was reading wikipedia too but I guess I must have quoted the wrong year. ho ho ho In any case, what I was trying to point out is that whilst I like the technology that the DSG brings, there are still issues plaguing it. Some are lucky and some not. What worries me is that even after 6 years, people are still having problems with the DSG. So until production is more consistent and better QC introduced, I will stick to manual.
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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #117 on: 16 August 2009, 20:50 »
Yep, manual is of course infallible! Not heard of any issues of a manual ever going wrong on any cars  :undecided:
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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #118 on: 16 August 2009, 20:59 »
Quote from: JulesV6 on 16 August 2009, 20:50
Yep, manual is of course infallible! Not heard of any issues of a manual ever going wrong on any cars  :undecided:

Well, nothing is a sure thing... my dear... even for manuals  :nerd: but its just I that I dont want to end up in a workshop too often. Been there once too many a time because I liked a technology and I went for it but then ended up wasting my time and my enthusiasm trying to get it fixed. I know some of you folks swear by it but I will wait for a bit. I am not a techie like some of you folks but I guess my perception needs convincing he he he.
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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #119 on: 16 August 2009, 21:18 »

manuals never go wrong?  Wrong!   somehow i managed to bust up my accord type r's gear box.  lost reverse gear.  luckily was still under warranty.

prob down to my human error, but still fallible.

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