Manual or DSG?

[Jkctr]

Where the MK6 is concerned..

DSG is less economical. fact
DSG is not quicker 0-60. fact

And a DSG cannot changed down gears quicker than me. fact (and I will prove it)

Always makes me chuckle people writing FACT!

You have seen tests where both cars have been used daily to compare over a long period of time for mpg figures then?

You have seen various tests using timing gear with dsg's and manual's on the same day for fairness (temp, track condition etc) have you mate?

You are officially the fastest gear changer ever then FACT if you can change quicker than a DSG! 

[Snoopy]

My company mk5 GTI DSG in my hands over the past 3 years gets ~3mpg less average than my own personal manual mk5 GTI does. (thats brim to brim countless times) But i put that down to driving style, that the DSG is loaded with options and the box is heavier anyway were mine is basic spec, and also that the DSG is iirc slightly lower geared.

[R32UK]

Where the MK6 is concerned..

DSG is less economical. fact
DSG is not quicker 0-60. fact

And a DSG cannot changed down gears quicker than me. fact (and I will prove it)

Always makes me chuckle people writing FACT!

You have seen tests where both cars have been used daily to compare over a long period of time for mpg figures then?

You have seen various tests using timing gear with dsg's and manual's on the same day for fairness (temp, track condition etc) have you mate?

You are officially the fastest gear changer ever then FACT if you can change quicker than a DSG! 

The first 2 points I made are fact because they say so in the mk6 brochure. I havent had the luxury of having driven both so on this occasion I think I will throw caution to the wind and go with VW's figures (remember this is the mk6 and not the mk5 we are talking about).

As for dsg being more economical... i very much doubt it. The MK5 dsg I had over a period of 5 fills was not even close to providing the same economy my manual does, even though the book stated it was very slightly better.

Lets try a little ewxperiment..

Change down from 6th to 2nd using your dsg and i will do the same... whos quicker now?? 

[howlingmoon]

I think its difficult to quantify which of the two is efficient and good for the mileage. The DSG is a new technology that is being improved very quickly and is I must admit dam-n good. Its like having an AI in the car already geared to change into the gear you are just thinking of changing to. In my opinion, it all lies in the driver. Whether manual or DSG, it all depends on the way you drive the car. I believe I read in another thread that Rolfe did mentioned after her test drive with the DSG, she felt that her way of driving her manual Peugeot was inefficient. So I guess if you tend to floor it whether with the DSG or the manual, MPG I reckoned would suck either way.

Just my thoughts, and I think what would lay the matter to rest is to have two identical cars, one with DSG and the other manual, drive the same circuit at the same speed and see what happens. And that would be a finding worth waiting for. 

Cheers,

HM   

[R32UK]

I think its difficult to quantify which of the two is efficient and good for the mileage. The DSG is a new technology that is being improved very quickly and is I must admit dam-n good. Its like having an AI in the car already geared to change into the gear you are just thinking of changing to. In my opinion, it all lies in the driver. Whether manual or DSG, it all depends on the way you drive the car. I believe I read in another thread that Rolfe did mentioned after her test drive with the DSG, she felt that her way of driving her manual Peugeot was inefficient. So I guess if you tend to floor it whether with the DSG or the manual, MPG I reckoned would suck either way.

Just my thoughts, and I think what would lay the matter to rest is to have two identical cars, one with DSG and the other manual, drive the same circuit at the same speed and see what happens. And that would be a finding worth waiting for. 
Cheers,

At a guess.. thats what VW would have done during testing

[howlingmoon]

At a guess.. thats what VW would have done during testing
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ha ha ha yeah you are probably right... but what I wanted to see is an independent party such as Top Gear or Fifth Gear to put the issue to rest... You know Volkswagen has always been a little conservative in whatever they publish...

HM

[Rolfe]

I don't think my driving is especially fuel-inefficient, but I have a bad habit of going quickly up into 6th and staying there, even going uphill and overtaking.  The Peugeot pulls pretty well whichever gear you're in so it's forgiving of that.  But I should definitely change down more.

So, I'm lazy.  I hope the DSG will take care of this without me having to bother.  I hope the fuel consumption isn't much less than the manual though, I bought the figure of 0.5mpg which is OK, but if it was much more than that I could regret the DSG.

Rolfe.

[Jkctr]

Lets try a little ewxperiment..

Change down from 6th to 2nd using your dsg and i will do the same... whos quicker now?? 

Still the DSG mate as being in S will put it straight down to the quickest gear 

My DSG gets 30mpg driving in London.

Fair enough its the MK6 but DSG will still be more economical as it relaxes you into driving it slower as its easier. I barely press the pedal in the 32 as its so easy to drive and im in 6th by about 15mph!

[R32UK]

At a guess.. thats what VW would have done during testing

ha ha ha yeah you are probably right... but what I wanted to see is an independent party such as Top Gear or Fifth Gear to put the issue to rest... You know Volkswagen has always been a little conservative in whatever they publish...

HM
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Which is why I now believe they have corrected what they got wrong in MK5 book. Never could get dsg to be as economical as manual with my driving style.

with the extra initail cost of dsg, plus that of the dsg services and limitations on modding, if your buying dsg for economy then its a bit of a false economy really

[R32UK]

Lets try a little ewxperiment..

Change down from 6th to 2nd using your dsg and i will do the same... whos quicker now?? 

Still the DSG mate as being in S will put it straight down to the quickest gear 

My DSG gets 30mpg driving in London.

Fair enough its the MK6 but DSG will still be more economical as it relaxes you into driving it slower as its easier. I barely press the pedal in the 32 as its so easy to drive and im in 6th by about 15mph!

I agree, that with the 32 the low down torque always means it settles into 6th very quickly. But in every day driving if you want to go a little faster it always wants to drop a couple of cogs too many.

For the dsg to get from 6th to 2nd it does still have to go down through each gear . I would go straight from 6th to 2nd