Author Topic: keep 16v or buy vr6  (Read 10865 times)

Offline DazVR6

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Re: keep 16v or buy vr6
« Reply #80 on: 02 July 2009, 13:54 »
What amazes me is why there is so much anti vr6 feeling on this forum?
maybe its coz the site's called GolfGTI.co.uk!! Is a VR6 a gti....................NO, so why dont they fek off to edition38 an be 'scene' like the rest of the vr's there. :wink:

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Hater right there yo!

I dont hate the car, I hate the snobs that drive them, thinking they're better than any other mk3 owner :wink:

I think that is most 16v owners as well.


Well im deffinatley not a snob, just always wanted a vr so i sold my valver and bought one, personally i wouldn't own an 8v but if it looks good then i'll show due respect. :cool:

Vr6's are the best mk3's though. :evil:

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Re: keep 16v or buy vr6
« Reply #81 on: 02 July 2009, 14:58 »

As I said in an earlier post the total weight difference is only around 60kg's plus 175lbs ft of torque in place of only around 140lbs of a 16V plus you don't need 4k revs on the clock before it starts to come on power.

And the point you chose to ignore was that the 60Kgs is carried up high, and forward of the drive line.
Regardless of how anyone dresses it up...you can't defy physics.
That's a 60Kg dissadvantage when it comes to getting the Mk3 to turn in...hence a VR6 will underster more than a similarly set up 16v.

So looking at a tweaked VR6 with 200 BHP / 175 lb-ft (Cams, Corrado manifold, Corrado TB, re-map, etc) with long gearing, against a tweaked 16v with 190BHP / 160 lb-ft (Cams, headwork, ported manifolds and TB, re-map etc) and shorter gearing...it's a pretty good match.

I know my ABF makes similar power at the wheels to most of my mates tweaked VR6s (about 150-155ATW) but with shorter gearing to offset the lesser torque, there's not much in it on the road...unless you drive like you are taking your Gran to Church and never go over 4000RPM.

...and it's fairly obvious which is the easier thrown round a corner in a hurry.

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Offline Adam

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Re: keep 16v or buy vr6
« Reply #82 on: 02 July 2009, 15:00 »
Correct me if i'm wrong but I thought the 16v and VR6 used the same gearboxes (02A)???

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Re: keep 16v or buy vr6
« Reply #83 on: 02 July 2009, 15:01 »
In my view, VR6s are lazy revving things...with a great noise.
Lighten the flywheel, add cams, proper headwork, some lightweight valvegear, Schrick manifold and a big TB and they are seriously sorted though.
220-230 BHP and 210+ lb-ft with throttle response to die for...and a proper noise.

Almost enough to offset the extra nose weight for most people, I'd say.

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Re: keep 16v or buy vr6
« Reply #84 on: 02 July 2009, 15:03 »
Correct me if i'm wrong but I thought the 16v and VR6 used the same gearboxes (02A)???

Same ratios, but longer FD on a VR6.
3.3 or something similar on a VR6 vs 3.67 on a 16v.

Put a 3,67 in a VR6 and it comes alive...
Put a 3.94 in a 16v and it's status quo.
4.2 anyone?

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Re: keep 16v or buy vr6
« Reply #85 on: 02 July 2009, 18:24 »
decided to stick with the valver until my good friend gives up his s3 at a very very reasonable price last time i got a mk2 16 valve for the price of a bottle of gin honest!

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Re: keep 16v or buy vr6
« Reply #86 on: 02 July 2009, 19:59 »
decided to stick with the valver until my good friend gives up his s3 at a very very reasonable price last time i got a mk2 16 valve for the price of a bottle of gin honest!

Sounds good mate!
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Re: keep 16v or buy vr6
« Reply #87 on: 02 July 2009, 20:28 »
Thought on the weight issue, whats the difference between a full fuel tank and say a quarter full tank?

Does anybody ever notice any difference?
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Offline Wayne

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Re: keep 16v or buy vr6
« Reply #88 on: 02 July 2009, 20:35 »
Thought on the weight issue, whats the difference between a full fuel tank and say a quarter full tank?

Does anybody ever notice any difference?

I have just posted Autocar test figures.

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Re: keep 16v or buy vr6
« Reply #89 on: 02 July 2009, 20:36 »
Yea I know and I have just disagreed!  :evil: :laugh:
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