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Offline jayb_09

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none starter!!!!
« on: 23 April 2009, 12:04 »
hi i have got a mk 2 golf gti 5 door. its an 1987 and it just simply wont start and i dunno why?? its had new fuel pump new battery new spark plugs new leads. i took the rocker cover off and cleaned it all up aswell as cleaning and draining all the oil out the sump and putting fresh all in. i drained all the cooling aswell as the pipes were full of crap!! i used quick start to see if it would kick and it kicks for about 2 seconds then it cuts out so really need your help?!?!? cheers

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Re: none starter!!!!
« Reply #1 on: 23 April 2009, 12:48 »
try the fuel filter next, had exactrly the same issue on my 16v, it wouldnt start but would run with some easystart sprayed into the intake.

do you actually hear the fuel pump run?
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Re: none starter!!!!
« Reply #2 on: 23 April 2009, 13:08 »
yeh i put a new fuel filter on thats the one that is with the fuel pump? also since i fitted the new fuel pump you can smell fuel in the engine bay now which you couldn't before

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Re: none starter!!!!
« Reply #3 on: 23 April 2009, 14:26 »
yeah its the thingy next to the fuel pump, with a connection in each end. the fuel smell could be due to the engine has flooded! pop the plugs out and check for fuel in the bores :)

when you're cranking the engine is the fuel pump running?
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Re: none starter!!!!
« Reply #4 on: 23 April 2009, 14:36 »
As RJ said, blast some easystart into the intake and see if it fires, at least it will rule out spark.

If its an 87, I'm assuming K-Jet, have you got all your vac hoses hooked up properly. Make sure you have the main boot connected - without it, you'll get no fuelling at all.

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Re: none starter!!!!
« Reply #5 on: 24 April 2009, 00:26 »
i checked all the hoses and everything around the engine and everything is connected on tight and secure...when i sprayed the easystart in it starts then cuts out about 2 seconds after but if you keep on spraying it in it keeps turnin over but then cuts out....and yeh you can hear the fuel pump when you turn the ignition...whats the main boot connection??

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Re: none starter!!!!
« Reply #6 on: 24 April 2009, 00:37 »
I'm still guessing you've got K-Jet as you haven't said yet :huh:

The main boot is the big rubber union that goes between the metering head and the throttle body. K-Jet runs off intake vacuum, if you've been spraying easy start in, then you'll never have fuel because you will have removed the boot between the the intake and metering head.

Sounds like your spark is fine, so move onto fuel now. Again, assuming its K-Jet, you'll see two fuel lines running to the metering head from the left hand chassis leg, one is a return, one is a send. It doesn't really matter which, but crack the banjo bolt off the metering head and crank the engine - check for fuel flow (watch out for fire though!).

If there is flow then go to b) otherwise

It could be either the lift pump or main pump that isn't working. This is easy enough to check by cracking off the inspection cover in the boot above the fuel tank. Removing the send fuel line and cranking the engine. If it spurts fuel out, then its fine, but the main pump isn't - if it doesn't, remove it and find out why. If the main pump is at fault, sometimes it still whirrs away, but doesn't actually do anything - for this you'll need to remove it from the fuel pump housing (disconnect the two fuel lines off the tank pump to prevent it emptying fuel everywhere), sit the pump in a small cup of petrol and connect 12v to it  (don't make it spark and set yourself alight).

b) Once you know the metering head is being fed, you need to check the injectors for flow. Crack off one of the injector fuel lines off the top of the metering head. There should be 5, one is for the cold start injector in the intake manifold, the others for the main injectors - remove one of these lines. Again, crank the engine and see if you have flow.

I'd put money on it being a vacuum leak, however, if you are unfortunate and it is not, then you'll need a fuel pressure gauge to tell exactly what's going on.
« Last Edit: 24 April 2009, 00:42 by Ben Lessani »

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Re: none starter!!!!
« Reply #7 on: 24 April 2009, 12:28 »
i will check all that later the engine is a 1.8 8v if thats any help?!?! is there anybody from around cannock that is on here that could possibly give me a hand with this? cheers

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Re: none starter!!!!
« Reply #8 on: 24 April 2009, 12:46 »
This is Digifant ...







This is K-Jet ...


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Re: none starter!!!!
« Reply #9 on: 24 April 2009, 17:38 »
yeh its the digifant engine deffinately not the k-jet i been checking all the hoses and they are all deffinately connected on properly and tried some more easystart today and still kicking for about 2 seconds then cutting out