well for an s3 my budget would be max 7k, looking for a facelift 225bhp model with black interior, standard alloys and chrome mirrors, not in red, green or hibiscous red!....but as i said thats my max and would have to save up a bit more for the insurance as its alot more then the golfs! I could have a much nicer golf with my budget so i may save the s3 for my next car and have a bit of fun with a really good GTi!