can the dsg be driven as a full automatic?

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I've read that kickdown is quite stressful for the DSG box..

Sorry, but can't agree with that at all.  Kickdown is a perfectly acceptable function on any autobox, even if they are a "dual clutch manual".  Launch control, along with 'drag strip' type starts are way more stressful on a DSG box.

....Don't tell him that! illyun has just come back from a very successful weekend at Santa Pod and looks like he's becoming hooked on the drag strip

Whoops!  :embarassed:  Got to agree though, i bet Launch Control could be quite addictive!

So how did Illyun get on at the pod then?

It's exactly the DSG stresses which you mention, T_T, which stop me from attempting the quarter-mile.

There are many other ways of getting enjoyment from your car.   

[illyun]

I've read that kickdown is quite stressful for the DSG box..

Sorry, but can't agree with that at all.  Kickdown is a perfectly acceptable function on any autobox, even if they are a "dual clutch manual".  Launch control, along with 'drag strip' type starts are way more stressful on a DSG box.

Sorry, it was in the context of a heavily modded car - 400bhp - that DSG kickdowns are bad - http://www.hpamotorsports.com/dsg.htm - look under the Stage 3R bit.

[illyun]

I've read that kickdown is quite stressful for the DSG box..

Sorry, but can't agree with that at all.  Kickdown is a perfectly acceptable function on any autobox, even if they are a "dual clutch manual".  Launch control, along with 'drag strip' type starts are way more stressful on a DSG box.

....Don't tell him that! illyun has just come back from a very successful weekend at Santa Pod and looks like he's becoming hooked on the drag strip

Whoops!  :embarassed:  Got to agree though, i bet Launch Control could be quite addictive!

So how did Illyun get on at the pod then?

It's exactly the DSG stresses which you mention, T_T, which stop me from attempting the quarter-mile.

There are many other ways of getting enjoyment from your car.   

I did ok considering the tyres have only 1mm left at the front (thats 1mm below the worn out indicator - not 1mm in total which would be illegal  ) and that we could only manage 1 go as the strip was shut down due to snow...  my wife's cousin (who I took along) managed the best time in the car with 13.67s 1/4 mile @ 113.53mph.  I'm sure that I can get closer to a sub-13 time with a bit more practice, decent tyres and a the back seats out 

[illyun]

I've read that kickdown is quite stressful for the DSG box..

Sorry, but can't agree with that at all.  Kickdown is a perfectly acceptable function on any autobox, even if they are a "dual clutch manual".  Launch control, along with 'drag strip' type starts are way more stressful on a DSG box.

....Don't tell him that! illyun has just come back from a very successful weekend at Santa Pod and looks like he's becoming hooked on the drag strip

It's exactly the DSG stresses which you mention, T_T, which stop me from attempting the quarter-mile.

Thats why I'm looking into HPA uprated DSG clutch packs     But tbh even with those, I will have to be careful with launch control.  I don't think I'll be using the launch control feature more than 6-7 times a year which should be ok.  I'm probably going to do drag starts with manual or just s-mode with no launch control.

Is this because of how much power you have mate? It's all ok for me to do them if i want as i have alot less?

Im worried now 

Well the car is running a lot of power, but its the torque that does the damage.  My car was running Stage 2+ Revo software so probably in the region of 350+bhp, but I think the torque levels weren't far off what it was with Stage 2 @ 321bhp.  As for standard cars, I still wouldn't use launch control too often as it doesn't do the DSG any good... I'd never used launch control in 18 months of ownership of my Edition 30 until last week and don't intend to use it that often in the future.  Nissan are having a lot of problems with their GT-R DSG equivalent and there have been cases in the US where Nissan have refused to honour the warranty if they suspect that the launch control function has been used too often - whatever that means    I'm having second thoughts about ordering one now   

[Jkctr]

Well the car is running a lot of power, but its the torque that does the damage.  My car was running Stage 2+ Revo software so probably in the region of 350+bhp, but I think the torque levels weren't far off what it was with Stage 2 @ 321bhp.  As for standard cars, I still wouldn't use launch control too often as it doesn't do the DSG any good... I'd never used launch control in 18 months of ownership of my Edition 30 until last week and don't intend to use it that often in the future.  Nissan are having a lot of problems with their GT-R DSG equivalent and there have been cases in the US where Nissan have refused to honour the warranty if they suspect that the launch control function has been used too often - whatever that means    I'm having second thoughts about ordering one now   

Cheers mate. I dont use it, have only done it once. Just showing it to a mate, which is the only time i use it really.

Yeah they wont validate the warranty if the Traction control is turned off!

[RedRobin]

Yeah they wont validate the warranty if the Traction control is turned off!

....Then why do they give the option of turning off TC? And why do they allow the technology to facilitate launch control?

[Jkctr]

Dont know mate, i saw it on topgear, so how true it is i have no idea.

I know Mitsubishi wont validate the warranty if you launch too much as well.

[illyun]

Yeah they wont validate the warranty if the Traction control is turned off!

....Then why do they give the option of turning off TC? And why do they allow the technology to facilitate launch control?

There's are a few articles about it on the net... and your question has been asked by many GT-R owners/prospective owners 

[illyun]

Here you go...

http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/news-story.jsp?news_id=18694

From the horses mouth - a worrying read for any GT-R owner:
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25361

An article about the GT-R owners destroyed transmission:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/13/carsumer-advocacy-nissan-refuses-to-replace-gt-r-owners-busted/

[bobotheclown]

Yeah they wont validate the warranty if the Traction control is turned off!

....Then why do they give the option of turning off TC? And why do they allow the technology to facilitate launch control?

The instructions for using launch control is in the manual that came with the car so is it an "official" feature of the DSG or not? If it is a feature of the DSG then how can VW deny fixing any broken DSG gearboxes under warranty? This is a strange one.