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Offline Bjork

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Re: Compression Nightmare.
« Reply #10 on: 30 January 2009, 19:34 »
Really?

Was dreading that. Might take it apart anyway seeing as I haven't the money to get another engine at the moment plus I might learn something as I haven't done it before.

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Re: Compression Nightmare.
« Reply #11 on: 30 January 2009, 19:57 »
my logic is...

0 compression wet and dry between 3 & 4 = can be caused by headgasket and is quite a common fail but usally some compression is there even if it's only 1 or 2 bar.   and when the section between the cylinders burns out it more often than not gets to the water way as well
but the white oil smoke is what makes me think it's gone,  that much oil won't get past the valve guides so it's more than likely comeing up past the pistons.  i'm going to hazzard a guess   that engine died from pre ignition.     blew gasket out on 3&4 ( and possobly damged pistons  ) and piston damage on 1&2

all the VW's have gone bar 1.

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Re: Compression Nightmare.
« Reply #12 on: 30 January 2009, 20:02 »
Died from pre-ignition?

If you could explain that it'd be great. As you may have realised I'm not really that mechanically minded.  :embarassed:

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Re: Compression Nightmare.
« Reply #13 on: 30 January 2009, 20:26 »
Pre ignition is when the spark occurs a few degrees before it is meant to. This will result in higher burning temperatures and peak cylinder pressure being reached before the piston goes over top dead centre. The result could cause detonation of some, if not all of the charge which is like an explosion occuring on top of the piston. This will damage the piston.

However, although Danny P may be right, if you had excessive damage to the piston, you would get no compression at all. If the bores are glazed, this means that they have become polished to a near mirror finish. This is also caused by hot burning temps or rich mixture. Polished bores will not allow oil to stick to them for lubrication and cooling purposes, and the rings will glide over the bores rather than do what they are supposed to and create a seal.
I still think that it is worth removing the head and find out for definate what is going on. The engine may be salvageable, but be prepared to change it if you discover something nasty.

You could remove the oil filter and cut it open and examine the element for signs of metal. If the pistons have been damaged, then you will have little white rocks in the element along with white flakes which will be bearing material. Particles that are attracted by a magnet is an indication that something may have gone through the oil pump.


For those not au fait with the workings of the internal combustion engine, take a little look at this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_cycle#The_Otto_cycle


It does not go into great depth, but it gives you an idea.

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Re: Compression Nightmare.
« Reply #14 on: 30 January 2009, 22:28 »
just seen quite a few KR's that have just  cracked the top of the piston exposeing part of the top ring do the pounding the pistons can get.    KR's almost never melt them as there cooled so well.

sopose it is worth takeing the head off just to have look,   have never seen glazed bores in a 16v yet tho,  proably cos most of them get rallyed everywhere 
all the VW's have gone bar 1.

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Re: Compression Nightmare.
« Reply #15 on: 30 January 2009, 22:40 »
My last one was an 8v and you could shave in the mirror finish. It was caused by a bad ECU. I think it had been badly chipped and it caused it to overfuel. Fuel was mixing with the oil, vapouring off and being recirculated into the injection system through the breather. It took a while to find the cause of lack of power and generally running sh!t. The compressions were down to between 6 and 9 bar across all 4 pots.
I replaced the ECU and it immediatly ran better. So I re-timed it, (a decent ECU threw the timing out by 4 degrees. :shocked:) then set up the emissions. I then gave the engine a head off and pistons out service with new rings, big end shells and a head skim and decoke. The difference was staggering. I sold it to buy my current shed.


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Re: Compression Nightmare.
« Reply #16 on: 30 January 2009, 23:22 »
Loving the advice I'm getting guys. I'll definately let you know how I get on and will post a few pics.

Definatley gonna tackle the head off job that's been daunting me for the last few weeks now. Been doing my research on here which has helped me feel a bit more confident though.

Have a great weekend guys.  :smiley:

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Re: Compression Nightmare.
« Reply #17 on: 31 January 2009, 07:37 »
Loving the advice I'm getting guys. I'll definately let you know how I get on and will post a few pics.

Definatley gonna tackle the head off job that's been daunting me for the last few weeks now. Been doing my research on here which has helped me feel a bit more confident though.

Have a great weekend guys.  :smiley:


I took my head off on my own - its easy apart from the exhaust manifold (start soaking the bolts with oil/WD40 NOW) and the fact that its a heavy head to lift yourself - try and arrange a friend to help you lift it.

Top tip... Before you unscrew/remove each bit, take a digital photo of how it looked and when you come to refit everything you'll have a library of images to help you if you get stuck.


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Re: Compression Nightmare.
« Reply #18 on: 31 January 2009, 12:17 »
+1



I labelled the poop out of everything when I had the engine out.

Offline Bjork

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Re: Compression Nightmare.
« Reply #19 on: 31 January 2009, 12:32 »
Yeah I'll deffo take photos as I go along.

The exhaust manifold is what I'm dreading from the problems I've read you guys have had. Good advice on the wd-40, I'll do it everyday leading up to stripping it off.