fitting a 16v gti in a mk2

[Agreeable Slick]

Behave.

There is a search function, there is also loads on this subject. My advice, search for stuff before posting, as most of the time it can be answered by having a look first. Remember the car and people working on them have been around for the best part of 30years (nearly) so there is more than likely a post to suit your questions.

Otherwise i just lock it and tell you all to use the search function.

If you want to throw toys at each other and do some proverbial willy waving then do it via pm.

Enjoy your evening.

Edit: also be wary of the mk3 engines as some of them are tall blocks so will need lowering in the engine bay to close the bonnet.

[Neo Badness]

Yeah, thats what I thought I would do to start with. I have a couple of places to store cars so it shouldn't be a problem either.

will a 2.0 16v fit on the same mounts as a 1.3? or are they different? and what gearbox should I use? I know some people just leave the old gearbox in.. but I dont know about a 1.3.

Hello and welcome to the forum.

In reply to this question the 1.3 engine mounts are differnt from the 2.0. 1.3 gearbox wouldn't fit either as far as I'm aware.

The 1.6 driver engine plugs straight into the 1.3 bay. Couple this with your 1.3 gearbox, 8v gti cam, exhaust manifold and down pipe and strip out interior, slam it on 14's with gti brakes and you'd have quite a handy wee pocket rocket for pennies. That's pretty much what I did when i started and I still miss that car 
In response to you're original post, as has already been covered, depends what you want from the car, tedious things like budget, insurance, fuel consumption etc would need to be taken into account if it's going to be your daily.
Vr can be monster if S/c or T/c and then there's the noise
2ltr is lighter and closer to what was there originaly and is what I'm in the process of building. This too can be pretty close to vr power
Then you have 1.8T also but that imo sounds pants but can achieve crazy numbers.

[DarnPB]

take the p*@# I cant find the information I want searching this site or google. I have decided on a 1.8 8v gti engine 80's spec and I want to know if it will drop in on the same mounts as the 1.3 or not, and i want to know what other major bits of work it entails. I dont want to be told to search or to buy a gti because if I wanted to do that I would of allready. Its in the mk2 golf section so someone please give me a bit of advice if its really not toooo much trouble?

He is not taking the piss. He is a moderator and it is his job to make sure this site runs smoothly without clogging up cyber space by the same questions being asked every week.

We realise that you are new to the forum, but take a little more time to find your way around it. The search function will bring up a multitude of info, but not necesarily the exact info you are looking for. Don't punch in '1.3 to VR6 conversion', because you will probably come up with nothing. But MKII, or MK2 VR6 will. Just a little pointer.
Sorry you had a bad start, but really, don't tar us all with the same brush.

Now about your question. To fit a 1.8 8v, you will need the engine and gearbox along with the gear linkeages and possibly the drive shafts. You will also need the necessary wiring loom and ECU if going for a digifant set up, and the fuel pump and possibly fuel tank. (Will need clarification) The engine mounts will certainly be different, but I am not sure about the sub frame. Someone else will know.
You will also need to uprate your brakes and suspension too, not to mention the exhaust.
The best way to go about it really is to buy a donor car that should be in a scrap yard. Then you will have all the things you need, and some spares. There are sure to be some rust buckets around that will never see the road again that you could buy and trailer home.

[ChrisCrashTM]

thanks neo, do you know anything about the 1.8 8v? are the mounts different? i have been looking at picture around the forum and noticed the engine mounts are all on the sub frame and the front crossmember? (i havnt looked around my own properly yet) if so surely its not THAT big a job to change the subframe and drop in an 80's spec gti? or am i badly mistaken?

[DarnPB]

Some how, you answered Neo before I finished. Look at my last reply again. There is more info!

[ChrisCrashTM]

weird :s

i didnt say the moderator was taking the piss

never mind anyway thanks for the help, so presumably the 1.8 8v doesnt runs on carbs? and whaen you say your not sure about subframes do you mean you dont know about engine mounts or you dont know about swapping?

[DarnPB]

The engine mounts will be different between the two engines, ie, the GTI ones, or at least the front one will be stronger. You can get a PB engine to run on carbs, but you have to block the injector ports, usually with 1 penny pieces araldited in. But if you want to carb up a GTI engine, go for the 16v. With well set up carbs, you will well exceed the stock 139bhp for the 1.8, or 150bhp for the 2.0.
I have never done swaps like this before, only read about them. But it will not be difficult and I would not think twice about starting one.

[danny_p]

CBA reading all the posts cos i'm quite pissed right now.

it's a mk2  ALL of them have the same subframe.  ALL the 4 pots will bolt to it   

[ChrisCrashTM]

if all the subframes are the same the how is the front track wider on a gti, and wider still on a vr6? and arnt the engine mounts on the subframe and front crossmember?

[Mew]

if all the subframes are the same the how is the front track wider on a gti

Is it?

and wider still on a vr6?

You talking mk3s now?

The mk2 can be made "wide track", but that is all in the wishbones from a passat i believe.

All mk2 subframes are the same, and all the engines bolt up in the same place, it's just the actual rubber mount that varies between some engines.