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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: JapDub on 03 November 2008, 19:38
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So I'm just trying to understand how a Carbonio intake works. AwesomeGTI's site says it increase's torque over a wider range, but I don't see how.
By this photo it looks as if the stock system is just a scoop intake to the filter that is in the black rectangle in the engine cover, so how does the carbonio improve airflow? Is it because it is bigger?
(http://uploader.meinwirt.com/files/11/engineCover/P1010081.JPG)
(original link: http://www.golfmkv.net/blog/archives/16)
It also has a very different shape, how does this work?
(http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/images/carboniomk5.jpg)
Sorry if I'm sounding thick, but I'm trying to get my head round the way this thing works. If anyone could help I'd greatly appreciate it.
Thanks!
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from reports from others on here the Carbonio doesnt give much gains. There are other types that give you an more improved Torque figure.
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well for a start, the stock air intake takes air from within the engine bay as well as the outside air, so it sucks in warm air which isnt great. the carbonio just takes it from outside. I believe its also due to the shape which causes the air to flow inside differently which help.....
at the end of the day... your not gonna see amazing anything with it, i have it, and after install i did feel SLIGHT better response from the pedal, but thats probably down the the panel filter more than the intake.. still, better than standard and thats wot matters, looks sexy too :)
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i was under the impression (from this very forum) that all sticky on carbon fibre bits made mk5s faster.
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i was under the impression (from this very forum) that all sticky on carbon fibre bits made mk5s faster.
Too right Sharpie :wink:
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if you look under the lid on the snorkel attached to the bonnet, you will see a baffle, which is angled to reduce airflow, and most of the air bypasses this, and goes into the engine bay.
The carbonio does not have a baffle AFAIK, and therefore the flow of air is uninterrupted. This may not increase bhp, but it may improve responsiveness/ reduce lag. :evil:
The baffles can be carefully removed/alterred to improve airflow, and is much cheaper than a carbonio. :nerd:
HTP F-P
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perhaps if you added some carbon fibre to your mk2 sharpie, you might be able to get shot of it :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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i was under the impression (from this very forum) that all sticky on carbon fibre bits made mk5s faster.
Too right Sharpie :wink:
lol, I bet you'd hope so!
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if you look under the lid on the snorkel attached to the bonnet, you will see a baffle, which is angled to reduce airflow, and most of the air bypasses this, and goes into the engine bay.
The carbonio does not have a baffle AFAIK, and therefore the flow of air is uninterrupted. This may not increase bhp, but it may improve responsiveness/ reduce lag. :evil:
The baffles can be carefully removed/alterred to improve airflow, and is much cheaper than a carbonio. :nerd:
HTP F-P
Do you know why this is?
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perhaps if you added some carbon fibre to your mk2 sharpie, you might be able to get shot of it :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
nah i spend money on my car where it actually matters. it will be sold by friday regrettably - but another one will be bought next year as a second car.
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if you look under the lid on the snorkel attached to the bonnet, you will see a baffle, which is angled to reduce airflow, and most of the air bypasses this, and goes into the engine bay.
The carbonio does not have a baffle AFAIK, and therefore the flow of air is uninterrupted. This may not increase bhp, but it may improve responsiveness/ reduce lag. :evil:
The baffles can be carefully removed/alterred to improve airflow, and is much cheaper than a carbonio. :nerd:
HTP F-P
Do you know why this is?
I suspect it is angled to reduce the chance of significant amounts of water entering the engine, which would not be good news :cry:
however, the air intake is fairly high on the bonnet, so should be fine unless you go thro deep water.
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if you look under the lid on the snorkel attached to the bonnet, you will see a baffle, which is angled to reduce airflow, and most of the air bypasses this, and goes into the engine bay.
The carbonio does not have a baffle AFAIK, and therefore the flow of air is uninterrupted. This may not increase bhp, but it may improve responsiveness/ reduce lag. :evil:
The baffles can be carefully removed/alterred to improve airflow, and is much cheaper than a carbonio. :nerd:
HTP F-P
....Yes but it doesn't look as cool.
But discounting its appearance, the Carbonio (and it's cheaper identical unbadged versions) has a far bigger volume and is shaped much more specifically.
There may be a very minor increase to torque but there is a noticeable improvement in throttle response and its real benefit is when used with a performance exhaust such as Milltek and a remap.
The filter helps too. The stock panel filter looks like it's made from recycled newspaper. The Pipercross filter which comes with the Carbonio is much better but ITG filters are reckoned to be the best, but the most expensive.
If you want to see greater gains then you'll have to remove the engine cover and go for a fat python tube with a cone filter on the end.
There is always much heated debate about the pros and cons of various aftermarket air intakes.
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Thanks RR, agree the carbonio looks great, but as a tight yorkshireman, i could not justify £££ on a carbonio., and i do not mind the oem look
I have no intention of remapping my ED30, as i am more than happy with the power etc.
I modified my air intake a few months ago, but kept the standard air filter, and noticed an slight increase in responsiveness.
Just last week i installed a pipercross panel filter -noticed an increased induction noise. hopefully increased noise= increased power :undecided:
Its a shame no one makes a plastic version of carbonio - this would still look good, but be significantly cheaper.
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Yes, I agree, and so will Phil (Mcavity) - The Ed30 has plenty power as stock. If you have no intentions of performance modding yours, a Carbonio is wasted.
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Thanks RR, agree the carbonio looks great, but as a tight yorkshireman, i could not justify £££ on a carbonio., and i do not mind the oem look
I have no intention of remapping my ED30, as i am more than happy with the power etc.
I modified my air intake a few months ago, but kept the standard air filter, and noticed an slight increase in responsiveness.
Just last week i installed a pipercross panel filter -noticed an increased induction noise. hopefully increased noise= increased power :undecided:
Its a shame no one makes a plastic version of carbonio - this would still look good, but be significantly cheaper.
Do a search on here under carbonio and you shall find an ebay seller who sells a carbonio copy(poss originals?) from the states @£70, I had one but dont reckon the do much.Greenouse found him.
Its all in the way the air is taken and tranported to the turbo etc, vortex's and the like T/T is the man to ask.I have the Dbilas flowmaster and its the business I can hear it sucking up all that nice cold winter air MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!
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I run this on mine and can safely say, yes it does appear to improve response in the mid range, but that's about it. It sounds a little better and looks really nice in the engine bay.
I'm actually moving onwards and upwards to the K04 Evoms set up shortly, so if someone wants to make me a sensible offer on a genuine Carbonio intake with an unused carbonio panel filter (pipercross??) let me know. I could also supply a used BMC panel filter - about 6k miles but I'm guessing people wouldn't really want that!!!
If I appear to take a while to reply it's because I'm on occassional lurner here to see what you ed30 boys are up to lol, but I'm sure RedRobin will give me a nudge if anyone is really interested.
J
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i was under the impression (from this very forum) that all sticky on carbon fibre bits made mk5s faster.
no, you probably mean those 10-dollar stickies, that you put around the engine bay to improve the performance of the parts that the stickers are put on.
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if you look under the lid on the snorkel attached to the bonnet, you will see a baffle, which is angled to reduce airflow, and most of the air bypasses this, and goes into the engine bay.
The carbonio does not have a baffle AFAIK, and therefore the flow of air is uninterrupted. This may not increase bhp, but it may improve responsiveness/ reduce lag. :evil:
The baffles can be carefully removed/alterred to improve airflow, and is much cheaper than a carbonio. :nerd:
HTP F-P
....Yes but it doesn't look as cool.
But discounting its appearance, the Carbonio (and it's cheaper identical unbadged versions) has a far bigger volume and is shaped much more specifically.
There may be a very minor increase to torque but there is a noticeable improvement in throttle response and its real benefit is when used with a performance exhaust such as Milltek and a remap.
The filter helps too. The stock panel filter looks like it's made from recycled newspaper. The Pipercross filter which comes with the Carbonio is much better but ITG filters are reckoned to be the best, but the most expensive.
If you want to see greater gains then you'll have to remove the engine cover and go for a fat python tube with a cone filter on the end.
There is always much heated debate about the pros and cons of various aftermarket air intakes.
or you can buy carbon engine cover. Neuspeed produces these to go with their CAIs.
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im looking into a new intake at the mo, seems like quite a cheap mod to get an extra 10bhp and a bit more torque, torn between dbilas and EVOMS one, both around £300 mark, dbilas looks better but like the heat sheild and an engien cover you can get with EVOMS, anyone know if i buy the dbilas will the evoms heatshield and engine cover fit?
thanks
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im looking into a new intake at the mo, seems like quite a cheap mod to get an extra 10bhp and a bit more torque, torn between dbilas and EVOMS one, both around £300 mark, dbilas looks better but like the heat sheild and an engien cover you can get with EVOMS, anyone know if i buy the dbilas will the evoms heatshield and engine cover fit?
thanks
you won't get 10bhp from an induction kit.
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you won't get 10bhp from an induction kit.
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coupled with full milltek and stage 2 chip i can see it been close to that amount
and:
http://www.vag-tuner.com/extras/Vflowtfsi.pdf
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don't bight, he doesn't understand these things can make a much bigger difference on a turbo charged car :smiley:
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hi there, how much u looking for ur carbonio??
cheers mark
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You have mail :smiley:
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you won't get 10bhp from an induction kit.
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coupled with full milltek and stage 2 chip i can see it been close to that amount
and:
http://www.vag-tuner.com/extras/Vflowtfsi.pdf
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that surprises me,
I always thought that naturally aspirated engines gain the most from induction kits, due to the denser cold air being fed into the system, id have thought that any increased airflow would be minimal in a forced induction car, and the cold air thiing goes out the window as soon as the air hits the turbo and rapidly increases in temp.
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A load of the S3 guys have seen 15bhp with a CAI.
The Carbonio helps mid range response and torque, but not a lot else.
If you want power, you're looking at and EVOMs, Nuespeed, Forge or Dibilis paired with a milltek or something.
You'd see 25-30bhp with that alone!
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hi mate its markbarnes2004@hotmail.co.uk, is it a genuine carbonio? how old is it? also is it in good condition? cheers mark
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coupled with full milltek and stage 2 chip i can see it been close to that amount
and:
http://www.vag-tuner.com/extras/Vflowtfsi.pdf
you seem to have mucked up the quotes.
yes, combined with a full manifold and exhaust system and a remap then i'd expect power gains in that region. not from an induction kit alone. too many idiots believe the hype on the boxes.
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im looking into a new intake at the mo, seems like quite a cheap mod to get an extra 10bhp and a bit more torque, torn between dbilas and EVOMS one, both around £300 mark, dbilas looks better but like the heat sheild and an engien cover you can get with EVOMS, anyone know if i buy the dbilas will the evoms heatshield and engine cover fit?
thanks
Yes they do, I was/am going to get the heatshield, the engine cover is a waste of cash imo, save the weight lol! how often do you look under the bonnet of your car?
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the engine cover is a waste of cash imo, save the weight lol! how often do you look under the bonnet of your car?
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/GTIinternational013.jpg)
^ At shows etc other people look under my bonnet quite often.
But apart from that, an engine cover actually helps protect the engine from water and dirt etc.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Amanda_cleaning.jpg)
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thanks for your help k4ith, just one more question how was the noise difference when you fitted I've heard reports of whistle sound when you throttle it.sounds fun :laugh:
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Its a strange noise, Dj Horace on here has the same fitted to his mk2 leon Cupra and we were trying to come up with something to best describe the noise it makes.stranges sucking/woshing noise lol.no puns plse :laugh:
heres a pic.note the absence of carbon fiber :grin:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/b44fy/DSC00277-1.jpg)