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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Jungle_Don on 14 October 2008, 00:28
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currently driving a 1.416v rover 214 the old tomcat kinda shape. anywayy i have £1500 to spend on a mk2 golf should i get an 8v or 16v whats the 0-60 times of the 2 and also the bhp.iv also been thinking about a renault 5 turbo but i think a golf is more reliable but a few people have said mk2 gtis aint very fast opinons please :smiley:
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the old 8v vs 16v debate.
use the search function to have a look at some of the various threads that are on this subject before you open a can of worms :grin:
my two pence worth though is that 16v's are better. I have had both.
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16v every time for me as well. it's better out the box and easyer to tune if you want to
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http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=7750.0
here you go, have a look through that ^^^^
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f**k 3 replies already its late aswell was just about to go to bed lol will have a read through that thread thanks.
edit just realised that thread has 57 pages pmsl ill be up for a while yet.
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f**k 3 replies already its late aswell was just about to go to bed lol will have a read through that thread thanks.
edit just realised that thread has 57 pages pmsl ill be up for a while yet.
its an epic!
enjoy :smiley:
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f**k 3 replies already its late aswell was just about to go to bed lol will have a read through that thread thanks.
edit just realised that thread has 57 pages pmsl ill be up for a while yet.
its an epic!
enjoy :smiley:
you got that rite im on pg 12 and its like iraq in here!
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They are both great cars but the 16v is obviously quicker! I'd much rather have a 16v because I'm not stupid (theoretically speaking) :grin:
It'll cost more to run though as slightly less MPGs and higher insurance. If that isn't an issue get a 16v, if it is then get an 8v.
Can we have a sticky of 8v or 16v?! I think everyone is fed up of it!
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don't buy a gt turbo ( if you could find one ). A 20 year old renault is gonna be a huge expensive ball ache.
I've owned both at the same time so for what it's worth....
8v is probably best for day to day driving.
16v is scary fast over 5k revs but you need to drive like a nutter to reach that after 2nd gear.
you decide....
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If I could I'd have a 16v over a 8v any day, purely because they keep pulling when the 8v's give up. (from what I've read).
If you have the knowledge, time and money I'm sure many on here would say get a cheap shell and go for a 2.0 16v ABF coversion :smiley:
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This old chestnut.
16v anyday.
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If I could I'd have a 16v over a 8v any day, purely because they keep pulling when the 8v's give up. (from what I've read).
If you have the knowledge, time and money I'm sure many on here would say get a cheap shell and go for a 2.0 16v ABF coversion :smiley:
people would do better to have an opinion on it only after had driven both. to actually do an abf conversion is not as simple as danny_p and diamond hell would have you believe.
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I've had a 16V and now have a 8 and to be honest I'd be happy with either, its condition of the body that matters the most :wink:
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16v anyday but then again i would say that as i have one. you will have to drive the 16v harder but it does pull very well when you get higher up the rev range esp with a few tweaks to the engine ;)
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after reading that topic i feel like a thingy for starting another one :grin: i agree it should be stickyed tho. anyway from reading that theard iv come to the conclusion the 16v is the better car ( comnen sense really) but the 8v is still a wicked car and if you can afford the insurance and fuel you may aswell get a 16v unless you cant find anynice one or you find a minter 8v. im going to go for a 16v hopefully in black
i liked the quote "16v is scary fast over over5k" :grin: thats what i want :grin: well i want it too just feel powerfull and pull well throw you back in the seat nicely couldent give a f**k about 0-60 times but it must feel quick threw the gears does a gti feel like that?
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i wouldnt say scary, but its got a bit of a kick :grin: but compared to your rover it should feel pretty quick.
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if you controll your right foot the 16v can be better on fuel problem is it's more fun to boot it around so it happens much more
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i wouldnt say scary, but its got a bit of a kick :grin:
it is round the derbyshire countryside when over 5k revs in 3rd gear is well over 80. :laugh:
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boot it heading towards a brick wall, thats sh!t scary :laugh:
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As I've driven 8V and 16V..... round the Nurburgring....
2.0 16V ABF on Digifant 3 - the power AND the torque, plus knocking on 40MPG when you ease off.
What's not to like?
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I've got a 16v (with a few small engine tweaks), I've never driven an 8v gti so can't comment on the comparison. The 16v is fast but you do have to give it some serious beans to get up in the power band which really kicks in at around 4.5k rpm. It's fine if you're on the open road and can open it up but around town mine doesn't feel quick as you really have to wind it up to get anywhere! 16v's ain't crazy fast but from 40mph - 70pmh in 3rd gear you'll be quicker than a lot of stuff on the road!
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Ive had both, i loved the 16v's speed but prefer the 8v as an everyday thing and something to improve over time
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I've pondered this topic greatly, and I think you should sack it and get a proper tomcat :smiley:
Got one on our drive if you can trailor :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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I've pondered this topic greatly, and I think you should sack it and get a proper tomcat :smiley:
Got one on our drive if you can trailor :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
t-series turbo y0 :tongue:
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Personally, 16v.
I haven't owned an 8v but a mate had one for ages, and my 16v is noticeably quicker (that said my 16v is in much better nick than his 8v was).
Best thing is to try both for yourself, and get the one you prefer...
Sounds simple but its the best solution.
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I've had an 8v for a couple of years. A good all rounder and pulls well enough. The 16v or a G60 is the better choice is you can afford the insurance though. Never driven one myself but from seeing a RR graph you can see they have that extra power higher up the rev counter. If I was to buy another MK2 now it definitely would be a 16v or G60.
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I've had an 8v, 2 16v and 2 G60's, so for me the answer is 8v (with a Supercharger bolted on to it of course...................) :grin:
If you've got £1,500 then G60 isn't an option I suppose, so IMO you need to test drive a few (16v & 8v) and you'll know when you get in one that feels right. One of my 16v's felt so different to my other one.............
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I've pondered this topic greatly, and I think you should sack it and get a proper tomcat :smiley:
Got one on our drive if you can trailor :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I've had 2x16v and 1x8v, 3xR5 turbos and my son (he's a VW technician) currently has a T16 Tomcat which is quick, looks great but rarely goes for more than a week without something breaking, spares are very difficult & expensive to come by, keep away unless you have very deep pockets, a garage, RAC membership, loads of spare time, are good with spanners and you can walk/bus to work.
R5 turbos, much quicker off the mark and more fun than just about anything i've driven but top speed no better than 16v, mine were all newish so no probs, been looking at getting one again but good unbutchered ones are rare.
16v, good but a bit frantic to get moving quickly IMO.
8v, feels more responsive & less gear changing.
As said, both GTIs are good but these days solid bodywork is probably the best reason to choose.
My choice would be an 8v day to day on the road, but thats probably due to my advancing years. :laugh:
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there seems to be this arguement that 16v's are completely useless as daily drivers when this just isn't the case. I had both of mine used as daily's and found them just as civilised low down inthe rev band as 8v's. You don't have to rev the bollocks off them to get the most out of the engine, but it helps :evil:
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Like he says ^^^^^
I've driven plenty of gti's. The 16v is definately better. There is no difference in low down torque on the 8v or 16v, to be honest neither engine really produces much torque :tongue:
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I've had 3 x 8v MKII GTIs a 2.0 16v Passat and a 2.0 16v Corrado.
I agree the 8v's are a better car to drive round town. It's not that they have better low down torque or any of that gumph. It's simply that the power delivery is very different to the 16v engines. While the 16's are quicker on paper and real life they feel slower when pottering around in the lower rev range, they only feel quick when you open the taps and run them up to the red bit on your rev counter. The 8v's just feel like they pull consistantly from tick over to 5K which gives the impression of better town driving. I do find the valavers feel more of a hassle to drive on the way to work but are far more rewarding when hitting a B road and the rev limiter.
nick
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1.6 Auto - FTW :grin:
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8V :drool:
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i do a 60 mile round trip 5 days a week in my 8v through twisty's and i agree its easier to drive and gives the all important smile factor, my best mate has a 16v and i leave him at traffic lights everytime..he works in the same place as me and won't take his 16v it drinks too much fuel and its up and down the gear box alot. :sad:
so bothe brill iconic cars..but my vote goes to the 8v :smug:
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off the lights syncros allways win :smiley:
in 2wd it dosen't really make any differance 8 or 16v it's more about driveing both cars can easaly breack traction in 1st. once out of 1st the 16v should zip off.
fuel economy wise if the 16v is drinking there is something wrong normaly an injector or two, but there are slow 16v's and slow 8v's
R5GTT is an awsome car tho massive amount of fun had one when at uni it never ran for more than 2 weeks at a time tho, that thing religously blew up
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put it this way, I don't want to own another 8v again. Of course the G60 engined Mk2's are exempt from the rule :cool:
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when i was looking for my second mk2 i definatly wanted a gti i found you can find alot more 8v's around. the odd 16v i did see, seemed over priced, scene tax? in the end got a very very good condtion 8v for £500 and loved it. then i put a g60
just saying the price swayed me in the end. i got an ABF in my seat ibiza and its a fine engine to use as a daily, and can also take some abuse on track days, whilst returning around 30-35mpg average, 40 on motorways.
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like ABF's a lot.
only problem is WANT MORE PONY NOW . i think boosted abf's will be better
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don't buy a 5 turbo is the only advice i can add as i have had only one golf GTi and it is my current one
But compared to the loads of XR3i's of the same era i have had it has much better power though i think the handling is better on the ford , but try finding one that isn't rotten!!!!
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I've pondered this topic greatly, and I think you should sack it and get a proper tomcat :smiley:
Got one on our drive if you can trailor :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I've had 2x16v and 1x8v, 3xR5 turbos and my son (he's a VW technician) currently has a T16 Tomcat which is quick, looks great but rarely goes for more than a week without something breaking, spares are very difficult & expensive to come by, keep away unless you have very deep pockets, a garage, RAC membership, loads of spare time, are good with spanners and you can walk/bus to work.
Oh trust me, I know, my other half's needs head, rad, water pump, intercooler.... allsorts :cry: :sad:
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give it a few years and there will be hundreds of mg ZR's and ZS's being broken and scrapped due to head gasket replacment not being worth it. I might buy one then and stick a vtec lump in one.
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when i was looking for my second mk2 i definatly wanted a gti i found you can find alot more 8v's around. the odd 16v i did see, seemed over priced, scene tax? in the end got a very very good condtion 8v for £500 and loved it. then i put a g60
just saying the price swayed me in the end. i got an ABF in my seat ibiza and its a fine engine to use as a daily, and can also take some abuse on track days, whilst returning around 30-35mpg average, 40 on motorways.
Take the ABF out the Seat and pop it in the Golf along with the G :smug:
Now that would be fun!
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sod the g IHI VF34 woop woop
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sod the g IHI VF34 woop woop
Well there is always that :grin:
I was thinking of working with what he already has :wink:
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sod the g IHI VF34 woop woop
Well there is always that :grin:
I was thinking of working with what he already has :wink:
16v g60 is anything but ''working with what youve got''. Serious effort!
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16v's actually have more lower down torque! There is a graph on one of the Stickys.....will see if I can find.
Ive owned 5 8v's, 2 16v's and 2 R5 GT Turbo's.
As Jezza says...... The R5 GT Turbo is incredible fun. My PH1 was quicker than any of my Golf's, most prob' due to the boost being wound up to 17psi.....it did go bang in the end :cry: so I bought another one :grin:
I found my 8v GTI's very good cars, a good all rounder if you like. My 16v's all cried out to be diven past 4000rpm which is a bit of a sod sometimes. The 16v is faster. I had my oak green showing 138mph on this private road I know! Speedo was out a bit as Road Angel said 127mph. On the same private road white 8v showed 125mph on speedo and 116mph on Road Angel.
I did find my 8v Digi's excellent on fuel.
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Id have to say 16v for fun, but 8v for sensibility.
If you can, buy one of each haha!
I bought a 8v as a project on a G plate, was ok, it was a shed so to be fair I cant compare, but the 16v is fun past 4k :wink:
Put it this way, I wouldnt sell my 16v to get an 8v, but I would to get a 1.8t in a mk2 :smiley:
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when i was looking for my second mk2 i definatly wanted a gti i found you can find alot more 8v's around.
I heard a while ago the ratio was 4 x 8v's to 1 x 16v
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Adam, your car is so freaking mint you'd be mad to sell it. However, putting a 1.8t in there would be a good idea :smug:
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:grin:
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I have to disagree. The 5 GT Turbo is great car. I have 16v GTI and a R5GT Turbo. The 5 is more fun, the way it boosts is just awesome. The 16v you have to rev the tits off to get a rush, the five boosts you feel it then its over.
However I have GTI 16V for a good reason they are solid, safer and don't rattle as much.
There are good 5GT turbos but you have to look hard and be careful when buying, but you have to with any 20 year old car.
They are both great HOT HATCHES
OK the 5gt turbo is made form thinned down bean tins as well. :smiley:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f191/emilylemsip/Scotland4-1.jpg)
don't buy a gt turbo ( if you could find one ). A 20 year old renault is gonna be a huge expensive ball ache.
I've owned both at the same time so for what it's worth....
8v is probably best for day to day driving.
16v is scary fast over 5k revs but you need to drive like a nutter to reach that after 2nd gear.
you decide....
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I never said they weren't great cars , I always thought they looked ace if left pretty much alone.
I'd have one as a weekend car if i could afford to keep it going and could find a good non modded one.
All my experience of them ( friends cars ) in the 90's seemed to involve a lot of blowing up and falling to bits tho'.
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what i rember form mine was if trying to drive sensibly it felt so utterly gutless, the moment started giveing it some the motor cam alive and wanted to go in some serious order, was constantlywanting to wheelspin it's way up through the box if given half a chance. a seriously fun littel car and one of the quickest i've had, pitty it ate engines turbos and boxes
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It's very interesting how many peeps on here have owned 5 GT turbos as well as GTI's.
I love my GTI 16V it's a better all round, all year car than any other retro hot hatch you can put your hands on.
I always fancied having a RS turbo escort phase 2.
Any comments on what these are like. Or is this hijacking the post :huh:
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16v all the way, I say this based on the freeer characteristics of the engine personally and that the 8v feels a little strangled in comparison
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i have had a lot of turbocharged cars and all i can say is , once they are blown they are trouble :drool: :drool:
take the good old pinto :) stick a turbo on it and the cossie motor blows up on tap :)
i have a love / hate relationship with turbo's i'd love to have one again but i hate the re-build / reliability issues :rolleyes:
well i've discovered mk2 golf's and phew there is no turbo'd one (can't comment one the G60)
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i cant make my mind up! its not not about other peoples opinions its down to which i prefer i prefer the 16v engine but im not sure if id rarther have a small bumper 8v they look more retro.
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The 5 will be fun but the engine has been put together by a hooky plumber and they arent alot quicker than a corsa gsi - which is the slowest hot hatch around.
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i cant make my mind up! its not not about other peoples opinions its down to which i prefer i prefer the 16v engine but im not sure if id rarther have a small bumper 8v they look more retro.
You can get 16v on small bumpers.
Nick
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wahooo i have test drivern 2 8vs and 1 16v i drove the 8v 1st and i was like this is niiiiiiice and quite quick didnt want to rag it as it was a test drive :grin: drove another 8v that felt the same really and i drove a 16v last nice and the 16v deffo feels quicker low down it feels like the 8v but after the revs build up it really gets going and keeps going and going and going where the 8v needed a gear change, both nice cars to drive also the 16 sounds reallly nice when opend up.
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that 16v noise is addictive over 5k revs , I got constantly shouted at by the other half when we went for drives in Derbyshire.
Apparently , just because you can overtake it doesn't mean you should :huh:.
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wahooo i have test drivern 2 8vs and 1 16v i drove the 8v 1st and i was like this is niiiiiiice and quite quick didnt want to rag it as it was a test drive :grin: drove another 8v that felt the same really and i drove a 16v last nice and the 16v deffo feels quicker low down it feels like the 8v but after the revs build up it really gets going and keeps going and going and going where the 8v needed a gear change, both nice cars to drive also the 16 sounds reallly nice when opend up.
Broom Broom! I love my valver to bits but have owned an 8v and that was awesome too. In short theres no answer, if i could i would have both. There, thats it sorted, you need to have both then you will always be happy. End of! :smiley:
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wahooo i have test drivern 2 8vs and 1 16v i drove the 8v 1st and i was like this is niiiiiiice and quite quick didnt want to rag it as it was a test drive :grin: drove another 8v that felt the same really and i drove a 16v last nice and the 16v deffo feels quicker low down it feels like the 8v but after the revs build up it really gets going and keeps going and going and going where the 8v needed a gear change, both nice cars to drive also the 16 sounds reallly nice when opend up.
Broom Broom! I love my valver to bits but have owned an 8v and that was awesome too. In short theres no answer, if i could i would have both. There, thats it sorted, you need to have both then you will always be happy. End of! :smiley:
totaly agree its not just about the engine the main thing is having a mint mk2 gti if you want just plain out performance theres other cars faster than the mk2 golf for the same price.. i would prefer a 16v but if i find a mint 8v 1st thats what i will be buying.
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i do a 60 mile round trip 5 days a week in my 8v through twisty's and i agree its easier to drive and gives the all important smile factor, my best mate has a 16v and i leave him at traffic lights everytime..he works in the same place as me and won't take his 16v it drinks too much fuel and its up and down the gear box alot. :sad:
His 16v is knackered. Or he's driving like a girl.
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i do a 60 mile round trip 5 days a week in my 8v through twisty's and i agree its easier to drive and gives the all important smile factor, my best mate has a 16v and i leave him at traffic lights everytime..he works in the same place as me and won't take his 16v it drinks too much fuel and its up and down the gear box alot. :sad:
His 16v is knackered. Or he's driving like a girl.
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