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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: hotrod on 28 September 2008, 08:18
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Hi Guys,
Maybe a daft question, but would 17’s fit comfortably on the ED. Reason being... the car feels every bump, lump and surface imperfection. Now I like precise handling, however it’s a little tiring on longer journeys. I’ve always liked the Euro deep-dish look so I would fancy black or dark grey with polished rims. The trend recently has been to go larger 19+ but surely this is killing the ride/comfort (although they look amazing).
Maybe the answer lies in Koni upgrades instead, although I don’t want to go any lower.
As an aside, I’ve been turning off the ESP recently and it really transforms the car... no daft engine kill jerkiness. Should have tried it earlier.
I await your thoughts good buddies... Hotrod :smiley:
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I can't see any reason why not hotrod? Maybe a set of coilover's maybe the answer as in most cases these improve the ride comfort.
It's all about aesthetics for me and I think the 17's would look lost? :wink:
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the standard GTI comes with 17s so as long as correct fitment is used then all should be ok, that said I wouldn't want smaller rims on mine
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Hi Hotrod :afro:
17's will definitely fit the Mk5 GTI whether Ed30 or not. I started off with Monza 17's (still have them) but now run on Monza 18's White Worm Special Edition (soon to be powdercoated to banish the worm forever!!).
I found the difference in ride on the Monza 17's and 18's to be negligible and most others have reported the same - Perhaps a little firmer but certainly not harsher. Going 18" to 17" isn't likely to be hugely felt imo.
Subject to what VW Racing advise on my slightly bouncy front end, I may be selling my Koni FSD's - So far, they reckon it's my springs and not the KoniFSD's.
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As RR says .. don't expect a big difference in the ride. I have also driven a a GTi with both 17"'s and 18"s, and agree with RR comments. The tyre brand nearly made as big a difference as the size of wheel (to the ride). What tyres are you currently on ?
IMHO 17"s do look a bit too small on the GTi, although I'm sure they will fit OK
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I'd try an aftermarket suspension set-up before going to 17" alloys. I found the OEM set-up of the golf acceptable, but after having Eibach coilovers fitted I was amazed that the ride was actually smoother than OEM. Ruts and poor road surfaces upset the standard suspension, but in my current set-up the same roads feel much smoother :smiley:
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Are the Eibach coilovers adjustable?
Haven't you gone to bed yet, Hurdy? :grin:
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Are the Eibach coilovers adjustable?
Haven't you gone to bed yet, Hurdy? :grin:
Fixed damping, but adjustable height and spring rate.
Been to bed, but on nights again tonight, otherwise I'd have been in Blackpool cruising in my motor :wink:
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Why didnt they go dueing the day!, no ones gonna see em in the dark lol!!, wouldnt it have been better in the Sunshine!!.
Or are there some pretty coloured bulbs hanging around at night they wanted to see?? bless em! :smiley:
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Hi Hotrod :afro:
17's will definitely fit the Mk5 GTI whether Ed30 or not. I started off with Monza 17's (still have them) but now run on Monza 18's White Worm Special Edition (soon to be powdercoated to banish the worm forever!!).
I found the difference in ride on the Monza 17's and 18's to be negligible and most others have reported the same - Perhaps a little firmer but certainly not harsher. Going 18" to 17" isn't likely to be hugely felt imo.
Subject to what VW Racing advise on my slightly bouncy front end, I may be selling my Koni FSD's - So far, they reckon it's my springs and not the KoniFSD's.
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hi red , if you decide to sell the fsd s i m more than interested , cheers :smiley:
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Hi Hotrod :afro:
17's will definitely fit the Mk5 GTI whether Ed30 or not. I started off with Monza 17's (still have them) but now run on Monza 18's White Worm Special Edition (soon to be powdercoated to banish the worm forever!!).
I found the difference in ride on the Monza 17's and 18's to be negligible and most others have reported the same - Perhaps a little firmer but certainly not harsher. Going 18" to 17" isn't likely to be hugely felt imo.
Subject to what VW Racing advise on my slightly bouncy front end, I may be selling my Koni FSD's - So far, they reckon it's my springs and not the KoniFSD's.
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hi red , if you decide to sell the fsd s i m more than interested , cheers :smiley:
....But only if I can establish that the FSD's are okay. If they've gone 'soft' or something, the last thing I want to do is sell them on. I'll be using VWR to sort it all out. I've just noticed that my Eibach Pro-Kit springs box says "Golf V TDI" on it!!! Fecking Awesome better not have got it wrong!
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^^whats the part number on it RR , as the 1.9tdi shares the same part number as the GTi
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10-85-014-06-22 should be the number for both i think
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10-85-014-06-22 should be the number for both i think
....You're a star! :afro:
10-85-014-07-22 and "VW GOLF V 2.0 TDI" is what's written.
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hmm your dsg though aren't you ?, perhaps the 7 is for the dsg, it's listed for 1.9 dsg and the 2.0 sdi and 2.0 tdi , no mention of the gti , I'm sure awesome will have got it right
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But why would the springs be different for a DSG car? - If it's weight related, then there's a difference between the 3-door and 5-door versions.
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But why would the springs be different for a DSG car? - If it's weight related, then there's a difference between the 3-door and 5-door versions.
Heres a list I of part numbers I found for the pro kit: -
1.4, 1.6, 1.6 FSI - Eibach Part No. E10-85-014-05-22
1.4TSI, 1.6, 1.6 FSI automatic gear box, 2.0 FSI, 1.9 TDI, 2.0SDI - Eibach Part No. E10-85-014-06-22
1.9 TDI DSG, 2.0 TDI, 2.0 TDI DSG - Eibach Part No. E10-85-014-07-22
GTI 2.0 TFSI, GTI 2.0 TFSI DSG - Eibach Part No. E10-85-014-06-22
2.0 FSI 4Motion, 1.9 TDI 4Motion, 2.0 TDI 4Motion - Eibach Part No. E10-85-014-16-22
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But why would the springs be different for a DSG car? - If it's weight related, then there's a difference between the 3-door and 5-door versions.
well, at a guess and i'm no expert they either put a different spring on the DSG because the weight is aimed more towards the front of the car hence needing a different spring to allow for this so the car can sit right as well as handle correctly, or they have a slightly different strut on DSG cars (although i doubt it)
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I've just spoken directly with Eibach and have now disarmed the Exocet missile pointing towards Awesome in Manchester!
The serial # Eibach springs I've got are absolutely fine for my DSG GTI - The TDI labelling doesn't make any difference according to Eibach - It's the front axle weight which is the important factor and the Pro-Kit springs I've got are ok up to 1,130 Kg.
The new Eibach coilovers are expected to be available in early December. They are stainless steel and adjustable.
We are now thinking that the extra grip being delivered with the VWR/Quaife diff is exposing the Koni FSD dynamics as not being up to my mods, but we need to investigate further.
Hotrod - I'll email you about my FSD's.
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But why would the springs be different for a DSG car? - If it's weight related, then there's a difference between the 3-door and 5-door versions.
well, at a guess and i'm no expert they either put a different spring on the DSG because the weight is aimed more towards the front of the car hence needing a different spring to allow for this so the car can sit right as well as handle correctly, or they have a slightly different strut on DSG cars (although i doubt it)
DSG has different diameter mounts to Manual. So I'm told. :undecided:
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DSG has different diameter mounts to Manual. So I'm told. :undecided:
....Yup, I believe so - 50 and 55 mm.
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As RR says .. don't expect a big difference in the ride. I have also driven a a GTi with both 17"'s and 18"s, and agree with RR comments. The tyre brand nearly made as big a difference as the size of wheel (to the ride). What tyres are you currently on ?
Agreed, to an extent. But actually, the tyre can have a major factor in ride comfort. ContiSportContact2 and Dunlops have a very harsh ride, whereas Michelins are renown for their much softer ride comfort.
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Are the Eibach coilovers adjustable?
Fixed damping, but adjustable height and spring rate.
Huh - than can't be so. The spring rate is determined during manufacture, and altering the adjusters merely alters the preload on the spring, and therefore the ride height. However, if the spring has variabl pitch coils, then the "apparent" rate may rise as the spring compresses. Sounds like someone has been telling you porkies! :rolleyes:
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But why would the springs be different for a DSG car? - If it's weight related, then there's a difference between the 3-door and 5-door versions.
They shouldn't. The difference between the manual gearbox and the DSG box is minimal - sommat like 30kgs. However, the difference in weight between a petrol engine and a diesel engine is quite substantial - often around 80-100kgs for a 4pot.
Therefore, if it says TDI on the box, it won't be suitable for the GTI, DSG or no DSG! :huh:
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But why would the springs be different for a DSG car? - If it's weight related, then there's a difference between the 3-door and 5-door versions.
well, at a guess and i'm no expert they either put a different spring on the DSG because the weight is aimed more towards the front of the car hence needing a different spring to allow for this so the car can sit right as well as handle correctly, or they have a slightly different strut on DSG cars (although i doubt it)
Nope. DSG and manual springs are/should be identical (based on the plated load of the front axle) - and the struts will be physically identical too.
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But why would the springs be different for a DSG car? - If it's weight related, then there's a difference between the 3-door and 5-door versions.
well, at a guess and i'm no expert they either put a different spring on the DSG because the weight is aimed more towards the front of the car hence needing a different spring to allow for this so the car can sit right as well as handle correctly, or they have a slightly different strut on DSG cars (although i doubt it)
DSG has different diameter mounts to Manual. So I'm told. :undecided:
Nope. The physical dimensions of the struts are identical. It is the driveshafts which are different, and these are not part of the suspension!
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well TT you need to tell Eibach that
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....Robin
whats with the .... everytime you post, lol :smiley:
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well TT you need to tell Eibach that
So, why do Eibach have different part numbers for the TDI and the GTI? :smug:
Any automotive engineer will tell you that the plated limit, ie, the Type Approval axle weight limits are one of the primary reasons which determine the spring rate. And the Golf TDI has a considerably higher front axle loading than a GTI. :nerd:
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i have no idea, it was me who said that he had the wrong springs to start with, its Eibach thats told RR that the tdi ones are fine
well TT you need to tell Eibach that
So, why do Eibach have different part numbers for the TDI and the GTI? :smug:
Any automotive engineer will tell you that the plated limit, ie, the Type Approval axle weight limits are one of the primary reasons which determine the spring rate. And the Golf TDI has a considerably higher front axle loading than a GTI. :nerd:
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whats with the .... everytime you post, lol :smiley:
thats his brain regesturing what he has to say, if you really stump him on a subject ,you'll get .............................................. hehehe
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well TT you need to tell Eibach that
So, why do Eibach have different part numbers for the TDI and the GTI? :smug:
Any automotive engineer will tell you that the plated limit, ie, the Type Approval axle weight limits are one of the primary reasons which determine the spring rate. And the Golf TDI has a considerably higher front axle loading than a GTI. :nerd:
i have no idea, it was me who said that he had the wrong springs to start with, its Eibach thats told RR that the tdi ones are fine
But wasn't it Red who stated is box said TDI, and also confirmed the part number as being for the TDI. The GTI did have a different part number - of have wires become crossed somewhere? :huh: :undecided:
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Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?
Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.
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Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?
Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.
I know its very easy to get me confused but I am now very very confused with all this :shocked:
The Eibach website says the 07 version are for the TDI models (with the axel weight as listed above) but the GTI (both Manual and DSG) should have the 06 version which supports an axel weight of upto 1080kg??
Isn't having a spring kit for a higher axel weight going to have some impact on the handling as the normal running load is going to be lower than it's designed for :undecided:
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....it's 4 laser micro-dots burning through to the back of your brain! :evil:
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Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?
Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.
I know its very easy to get me confused but I am now very very confused with all this :shocked:
The Eibach website says the 07 version are for the TDI models (with the axel weight as listed above) but the GTI (both Manual and DSG) should have the 06 version which supports an axel weight of upto 1080kg??
Isn't having a spring kit for a higher axel weight going to have some impact on the handling as the normal running load is going to be lower than it's designed for :undecided:
....Eibach have very clearly told me today in 2 separate calls (via 2 different techies) that the springs I've got (10-85-014-07-22 and 2.0 TDI on the box) are absolutely fine up to a max of 1,130 Kg front axle weight, which covers the GTI Mk5 DSG. I had one of the first batch available via Awesome and before GTI labelling was used. If there was a problem with the springs, surely that would be evident at the beginning - Nearly 50k miles ago. Also, Ray West, who fitted my suspension would have noticed at the time.
We reckon it's the KoniFSD's and I'm going to have them checked visually and then sent to Holland for testing by Koni.
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Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?
OK, I understand that your box says TDI, and that Eibach have subsequently (and "subsequent" is the important word) they are "OK" for the GTI. However, why have Eibach now also got a spring kit specifically for the GTI - if the TDI ones are OK? :wink:
The real crux of the issue regarding the springs (and this will also have an effect on the dampers too) is the range of weight they are designed for. It is all very well they state they are fine "up to 1,130 kg" - however, that is being exceedingly economical with the truth, because there should be a lower limit, together with the upper limit. So, just to quote a guess-timate as an example, the TDI springs you have may have a range of 1,090 to 1,130 kgs. Now we all know that the GTI weighs a notable amount less than a TDI, and my GTI has a plated front axle load of 1,060kgs. This would mean that those TDI springs are way too hard for the GTI. And because they are "over-engineered" for the GTI in general, then any GTI-specific dampers will also be overworked, and subjected to premature failure - which is exactly what you seemed to be reporting in another thread!
Just looking at the official technical info - for the 2007 model year Mk5 Golf (all variants), there are 34 different weight ranges for the front axle loading. My GTI has an "L99" axle load range, which equates to 776-835kg (this is a different way of calculating the axle loadings to the plated weights - plated weights usually use a 1.25 multiplication factor). If you want to PM me your VIN, I can check yours.
Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.
But this was after they had supplied the bits! Maybe they don't want to "loose face", by admitting they are the wrong bits - becuase if they did, they would face an expensive bill of not only supply the correct ones, but they would also be liable for the labour costs too! :smug:
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Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?
Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.
I know its very easy to get me confused but I am now very very confused with all this :shocked:
The Eibach website says the 07 version are for the TDI models (with the axel weight as listed above) but the GTI (both Manual and DSG) should have the 06 version which supports an axel weight of upto 1080kg??
I don't think there is any confusion there at all! :wink: :smiley:
Isn't having a spring kit for a higher axel weight going to have some impact on the handling as the normal running load is going to be lower than it's designed for :undecided:
Yup. The car will sit slightly higher, it will feel slightly more harsh, it will put more stress in general through the dampers. But the most important issue is the fact that they can cause aggravated wear, by "localising" the wear at the upper limits of the damper, and can also cause the suspension to "top out". :nerd:
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Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?
Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.
I know its very easy to get me confused but I am now very very confused with all this :shocked:
The Eibach website says the 07 version are for the TDI models (with the axel weight as listed above) but the GTI (both Manual and DSG) should have the 06 version which supports an axel weight of upto 1080kg??
Isn't having a spring kit for a higher axel weight going to have some impact on the handling as the normal running load is going to be lower than it's designed for :undecided:
....Eibach have very clearly told me today in 2 separate calls (via 2 different techies) that the springs I've got (10-85-014-07-22 and 2.0 TDI on the box) are absolutely fine up to a max of 1,130 Kg front axle weight, which covers the GTI Mk5 DSG.
But that does NOT cover the GTI. The GTI is lighter than that, and therefore needs "lesser" springs, which is fully supported by the fact that they now also have GTI-specific springs, at a lower weight. And this is also supported by the fact that the "TDI" are also sold as well as the GTI springs. Eibach can NOT say "the TDI springs are fine" and then subsequently release another spring specifically for the TDI !!!!!
I had one of the first batch available via Awesome and before GTI labelling was used.
You mean a batch of "one size fits all" springs, which happened to have the TDI label on the box - which were released before the dedicated TDI springs. This scenario is very much going into "Superchips territory", rather than "Revo territory"! :wink: :rolleyes:
If there was a problem with the springs, surely that would be evident at the beginning - Nearly 50k miles ago. Also, Ray West, who fitted my suspension would have noticed at the time.
Not at all. Suspension components, even bog-standard generic ones, should last for around 80k-120k miles (unless they have been abused, or used for any competition-type purposes). So if your "higher specification" Konis have gone south in as low as 50k miles, I would without any doubt consider them to have failed prematurely.
And why would Ray West have noticed anything unusual?
We reckon it's the KoniFSD's and I'm going to have them checked visually and then sent to Holland for testing by Koni.
And if Koni confirm they are now fcuked, I doubt they would offer any kind of warranty, with them being used with the wrong springs.
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But why would the springs be different for a DSG car? - If it's weight related, then there's a difference between the 3-door and 5-door versions.
well, at a guess and i'm no expert they either put a different spring on the DSG because the weight is aimed more towards the front of the car hence needing a different spring to allow for this so the car can sit right as well as handle correctly, or they have a slightly different strut on DSG cars (although i doubt it)
DSG has different diameter mounts to Manual. So I'm told. :undecided:
Nope. The physical dimensions of the struts are identical. It is the driveshafts which are different, and these are not part of the suspension!
I was sure they were different. I got the info from the Eibach website. Must have read it wrong I guess?
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Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?
OK, I understand that your box says TDI, and that Eibach have subsequently (and "subsequent" is the important word) they are "OK" for the GTI. However, why have Eibach now also got a spring kit specifically for the GTI - if the TDI ones are OK? :wink:
The real crux of the issue regarding the springs (and this will also have an effect on the dampers too) is the range of weight they are designed for. It is all very well they state they are fine "up to 1,130 kg" - however, that is being exceedingly economical with the truth, because there should be a lower limit, together with the upper limit. So, just to quote a guess-timate as an example, the TDI springs you have may have a range of 1,090 to 1,130 kgs. Now we all know that the GTI weighs a notable amount less than a TDI, and my GTI has a plated front axle load of 1,060kgs. This would mean that those TDI springs are way too hard for the GTI. And because they are "over-engineered" for the GTI in general, then any GTI-specific dampers will also be overworked, and subjected to premature failure - which is exactly what you seemed to be reporting in another thread!
Just looking at the official technical info - for the 2007 model year Mk5 Golf (all variants), there are 34 different weight ranges for the front axle loading. My GTI has an "L99" axle load range, which equates to 776-835kg (this is a different way of calculating the axle loadings to the plated weights - plated weights usually use a 1.25 multiplication factor). If you want to PM me your VIN, I can check yours.
Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.
But this was after they had supplied the bits! Maybe they don't want to "loose face", by admitting they are the wrong bits - becuase if they did, they would face an expensive bill of not only supply the correct ones, but they would also be liable for the labour costs too! :smug:
....As usual, extremely useful info, T_T :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
I'll dig out my VIN and PM you.
My friendly VW dealer is going to stick my car up on the ramp on Friday and he knows how to recognise signs of leakage and we'll also read and photograph the actual part # on the Eibach springs.
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But why would the springs be different for a DSG car? - If it's weight related, then there's a difference between the 3-door and 5-door versions.
well, at a guess and i'm no expert they either put a different spring on the DSG because the weight is aimed more towards the front of the car hence needing a different spring to allow for this so the car can sit right as well as handle correctly, or they have a slightly different strut on DSG cars (although i doubt it)
DSG has different diameter mounts to Manual. So I'm told. :undecided:
Nope. The physical dimensions of the struts are identical. It is the driveshafts which are different, and these are not part of the suspension!
I was sure they were different. I got the info from the Eibach website. Must have read it wrong I guess?
I've just double-checked again on ETKA, and the struts are identical. It is the driveshafts which are different, and they may well have different diameter wheel bearings (not yet checked), but this will have zippo relation to the struts themselves.
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Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?
OK, I understand that your box says TDI, and that Eibach have subsequently (and "subsequent" is the important word) they are "OK" for the GTI. However, why have Eibach now also got a spring kit specifically for the GTI - if the TDI ones are OK? :wink:
The real crux of the issue regarding the springs (and this will also have an effect on the dampers too) is the range of weight they are designed for. It is all very well they state they are fine "up to 1,130 kg" - however, that is being exceedingly economical with the truth, because there should be a lower limit, together with the upper limit. So, just to quote a guess-timate as an example, the TDI springs you have may have a range of 1,090 to 1,130 kgs. Now we all know that the GTI weighs a notable amount less than a TDI, and my GTI has a plated front axle load of 1,060kgs. This would mean that those TDI springs are way too hard for the GTI. And because they are "over-engineered" for the GTI in general, then any GTI-specific dampers will also be overworked, and subjected to premature failure - which is exactly what you seemed to be reporting in another thread!
Just looking at the official technical info - for the 2007 model year Mk5 Golf (all variants), there are 34 different weight ranges for the front axle loading. My GTI has an "L99" axle load range, which equates to 776-835kg (this is a different way of calculating the axle loadings to the plated weights - plated weights usually use a 1.25 multiplication factor). If you want to PM me your VIN, I can check yours.
Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.
But this was after they had supplied the bits! Maybe they don't want to "loose face", by admitting they are the wrong bits - becuase if they did, they would face an expensive bill of not only supply the correct ones, but they would also be liable for the labour costs too! :smug:
....As usual, extremely useful info, T_T :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
I'll dig out my VIN and PM you.
My friendly VW dealer is going to stick my car up on the ramp on Friday and he knows how to recognise signs of leakage and we'll also read and photograph the actual part # on the Eibach springs.
I suspect they have been "topping out", and may have damaged one end of the damper piston rod, or even the valve within the damper.
Does your front end bounce more on compression or more on rebound?
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I suspect they have been "topping out", and may have damaged one end of the damper piston rod, or even the valve within the damper.
Does your front end bounce more on compression or more on rebound?
....I don't know - It just bounces slightly and feels softer than it was. :undecided:
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T-T - I've sent you an email (not PM) with VIN and apologise for mispelling your name (I just noticed) - At least I didn't call you something rude.
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As RR says .. don't expect a big difference in the ride. I have also driven a a GTi with both 17"'s and 18"s, and agree with RR comments. The tyre brand nearly made as big a difference as the size of wheel (to the ride). What tyres are you currently on ?
Agreed, to an extent. But actually, the tyre can have a major factor in ride comfort. ContiSportContact2 and Dunlops have a very harsh ride, whereas Michelins are renown for their much softer ride comfort.
Hi TT,
Car’s got Conti’s. The ride’s bearable, but brittle. Fast and nicely damped would be nice.
Interesting comments though. :smiley:
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I prefer the ride / handling of the 17's on a Gti to 18's.
I had my old Gti on 17's on GSD Asy's and the feedback and handling were awesome, especially when turning hard into a corner the steering wheel relayed exactly what the front wheels were doing. However the stability was lost compared to 18's , the car felt a bit wobbly at higher speeds and under hard braking from high speed on imperfect roads , the back end would twitch/swing out !!
Also 17's had less road noise and the ride was very comfortable.
On 18's you get better stability at high speeds and a much more stable car under acceleration and de acceleration but the steering does feel abit artificial but after a month you get used to it.
I would go for 17's if all that mattered was handling but 18's a re good comprimise aesthetically speaking !
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....^I think it's possible to adjust the steering wheel response. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.
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....^I think it's possible to adjust the steering wheel response. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.
Nope you are correct Robin, you can ! :smiley: you need Vagcom and the cable.
On the olf Mk5 Gti, i had the steering rack replaced twice for groaning noises / catching turning left !
Incidently where can i buy the cable/software ?
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....^I think it's possible to adjust the steering wheel response. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.
Nope you are correct Robin, you can ! :smiley: you need Vagcom and the cable.
On the olf Mk5 Gti, i had the steering rack replaced twice for groaning noises / catching turning left !
Incidently where can i buy the cable/software ?
....And would adjusting the steering wheel response improve the 'feel' of the road wheels?
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Incidently where can i buy the cable/software ?
Cables are available from Gendon in the UK http://www.gendan.co.uk/category_145.html
or you can get them direct from Ross-Tech USA http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/index.html
If all you want it for is the MK5 then you need the Micro CAN USB version.
The cable acts as a activation dongle/license for the software which you download directly from Ross Tech.
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....^I think it's possible to adjust the steering wheel response. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.
Nope you are correct Robin, you can ! :smiley: you need Vagcom and the cable.
On the olf Mk5 Gti, i had the steering rack replaced twice for groaning noises / catching turning left !
Incidently where can i buy the cable/software ?
....And would adjusting the steering wheel response improve the 'feel' of the road wheels?
Yes, if you reduce the amount of "assistance", then you have a more direct "link" between the steering wheel and the tarmac. Too much assistance from PAS is well-known to reduce "feel".
The main dealers can do this for you, and is a well known tweak, but it is usually carried out in the opposite way (increasing the amount of assistance) for elderly or disabled drivers, for easier steering control. One of the many advantages of electric power steering, compared to the old-skool hydraulic assistance. :nerd:
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Yes, if you reduce the amount of "assistance", then you have a more direct "link" between the steering wheel and the tarmac. Too much assistance from PAS is well-known to reduce "feel".
The main dealers can do this for you, and is a well known tweak, but it is usually carried out in the opposite way (increasing the amount of assistance) for elderly or disabled drivers, for easier steering control. One of the many advantages of electric power steering, compared to the old-skool hydraulic assistance. :nerd:
....And I presume that adding a Whiteline Anti-Lift Kit is another way to increase rather than reduce "feel" via the steering wheel. I hope so :afro:
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Hi Hotrod :afro:
17's will definitely fit the Mk5 GTI whether Ed30 or not. I started off with Monza 17's (still have them) but now run on Monza 18's White Worm Special Edition (soon to be powdercoated to banish the worm forever!!).
I found the difference in ride on the Monza 17's and 18's to be negligible and most others have reported the same - Perhaps a little firmer but certainly not harsher. Going 18" to 17" isn't likely to be hugely felt imo.
Subject to what VW Racing advise on my slightly bouncy front end, I may be selling my Koni FSD's - So far, they reckon it's my springs and not the KoniFSD's.
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Can we ask the Q "Who, Where and How Much" for the powder coating Red?
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Can we ask the Q "Who, Where and How Much" for the powder coating Red?
....Pristine : - http://www.pristinealloywheels.co.uk/ (http://www.pristinealloywheels.co.uk/)
....Milton Keynes area, UK.
....£95 x 4 +vat. 3 full working days.