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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Jkctr on 17 September 2008, 11:57
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Im after a real world comparison on a remapped edition 30. No one does 0-60 blasts as most roads are 30 that move up into 40mph roads or NSL roads so its more of a 30-70 description i would like. I appreciate they are fast (vtec abuser is a on a ctr forum i use and his is bloody quick from his 1/4 mile evidence lol) but its hard to know as the only thread to see is the 'what have you beat in your gti' one which is a bit rubbish as there are so many variables, you could beat a veyron if the owner had no petrol so didnt try!
I have had a good look on here and have been lurking for ages (i have a sticky in the car care section) and im now quite keen on an edition 30 as my ctr is becoming expensive to mod for little returns, and revving it to 8600 is great fun, but not when im not in the mood and just want an easy overtake! From reading the MK4 forum they sound like they are talking out there arse tbh, im much faster than remapped 1.8t's, but im also modded! So therein lies my problem, i would like comparisons from people who actually owned other fast cars and not just beat them on the road as you never know the condition of the other car as all other cars are different!
Cheers guys :smiley:
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I had a 240 bhp cooper s and compared to a stock ed30 the mini would wipe the floor with it. But now i have mapped my edition 30 it really has transformed the performance and now the golf would wipe the floor with the mini. Sorry its not the most detailed descrition but a remapped ed30 is very very quick. Pulls really well from any revs and will keep up with alot of cars you wouldnt expect :evil:
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No thats what i was hoping for, im quicker than a standard gti but have not had a go against a standard edition 30 so not sure! Ive got 221bhp and it weighs around 1250kg so its pretty nippy from a roll with 180bhp/ton (edition 30 has around 170bhp/ton so wouldnt be much in it!)
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i used to own a ctr, and i now have a remapped GTI, and its stupidly quicker than the ctr :smiley:
best way to tell is to get a ride in one, if your serious about getting one then perhaps you could get somebody to give you a preview of their ed30, if you lived near me id take you for a blast in my gti :smiley: :smiley:
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the edition 30 after a map is a different beast IMO, just feels so much quicker than standard, I was initially dissapointed with how slow the standard car was but wasn't too bothered as i knew I would remap , I have supriaed quite a few hot hatches in it since the remap
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No thats what i was hoping for, im quicker than a standard gti but have not had a go against a standard edition 30 so not sure! Ive got 221bhp and it weighs around 1250kg so its pretty nippy from a roll with 180bhp/ton (edition 30 has around 170bhp/ton so wouldnt be much in it!)
a ctr owner near me can confirm that the remapped edition 30 is faster than his ctr LOL :evil:
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No thats what i was hoping for, im quicker than a standard gti but have not had a go against a standard edition 30 so not sure! Ive got 221bhp and it weighs around 1250kg so its pretty nippy from a roll with 180bhp/ton (edition 30 has around 170bhp/ton so wouldnt be much in it!)
a ctr owner near me can confirm that the remapped edition 30 is faster than his ctr LOL :evil:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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I've spent alot of time behind the wheel of various S2000's and I can honestly say it would not live with my ED30. Yes it's more fun as it's RWD for out and out pace it would struggle! A good friend of mine who runs a MK2 GTI and an S2000 came to inters with me and was blown away! :smiley:
Do you need any more convincing?? :huh:
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Yeah my mums standard gti feels alot slower than mine (from a little test i can confirm it also is a fair bit slower) but my aim isnt to get a standard edition 30 as i would keep enough money to instantly remap and have a whole new beast which will piss all over modified ctr's! Ive looked at a supercharger for 300bhp but i want some refinement and comfort with it and the ability to have an on/off car where the ctr is always on, you need to be in the mood to drive it!
Unfortunately living on the isle of wight means i am a bit out the way to experience one and i highly doubt a mapped ed30 is even on the island lol :rolleyes:
My main hope is to have an overtaking weapon, mine is annoying as i have to take it to the redline and it looks like im trying to hard (and sounds it) which it shouldn't!
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How was yours faster 182_blue (im not saying it wasnt i just mean 30-60, 0-100? etc) i would imagine the reply is going be 'all of those' :grin:
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The K04 turbo in the edition 30 with a remap Will match those Cars for shear grunt of an m3 or rs4 or Porsche 911's etc . I was sceptical when was told but after seeing countless Video's on Youtube. Remap a standard GTi will get you Standard Edition30 performance. Have been out with Redrobins car and vis versa and both cars perform almost identically, and rolling road confirmed it bhp wise, but his Torque figures where 10% higher then mine with the aditional mods he has had done.
I would love to remap but, i truelly scared to go down that route, id either kill myself in the process, wanting to keep nailing it everytime id have the opertunity!!!.Also would mean id be chewing more fuel and shoot up my insurance premiums.
I have got into the habit of putting dsg in Manual and turning off the esp, and it still goes mentally from 40 to 90mph in a blink of an eye, and can catch you if your not prepared!!. Do it if you have the spare £ to do it.Everyone else hasnt said one negative point about doing it.
Its a cracking car , You wont be disapointed with it in any guise, manual or dsg, 3 or 5 door. Just get one as many extra's as its a buyers bargain market currently.
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How was yours faster 182_blue (im not saying it wasnt i just mean 30-60, 0-100? etc) i would imagine the reply is going be 'all of those' :grin:
im not sure on at what speeds as i try to watch the roads :grin:, but pulling away in first i havnt tried, but in gear and upto licence loosing speeds the ed30 pulled away nicely, he commented on how he just could not keep up and was very suprised how quick it was :evil:, best thing i can say is you try one as we could tell you all day long but you need to expereince it for yourself
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a quote from VW driver magazine
Suffice it to say that even in sixth gear it accelerates from 80 to 100 mph in 4.3 seconds; that’s the kind of performance you’d expect from a Ferrari or Lamborghini rather than a four-door hatchback.
review here http://www.superchips.co.uk/roadtest/VW%20Driver%20May07%20Golf%20GTI%20Edition30.PDF
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Yeah i appreciate what that, we get people on the ctr forum always asking similar questions but its nice to get personal responses rather than reading someone elses replies!
Cheers phil, unfortunately the buyers market means ill get £8k for mine if im lucky! When i moved to italy earlier this year it was worth £10k and i got back and England had gone tits up lol :rolleyes: I love my mums car, its such a nice place to be where as mine is simple to keep weight down. I still love my car and it didn't put a foot wrong on the 1300 mile trip to Italy and back, and i had a full load in it to, but im after more pace and some refinement to go with it so i think the ed30 is the best step up!
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a quote from VW driver magazine
Suffice it to say that even in sixth gear it accelerates from 80 to 100 mph in 4.3 seconds; that’s the kind of performance you’d expect from a Ferrari or Lamborghini rather than a four-door hatchback.
review here http://www.superchips.co.uk/roadtest/VW%20Driver%20May07%20Golf%20GTI%20Edition30.PDF
Cheers for that! A quick letstorquebhp.com calculator just showed me it has more bhp/ton than e46 m3 :laugh:
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a quote from VW driver magazine
Suffice it to say that even in sixth gear it accelerates from 80 to 100 mph in 4.3 seconds; that’s the kind of performance you’d expect from a Ferrari or Lamborghini rather than a four-door hatchback.
review here http://www.superchips.co.uk/roadtest/VW%20Driver%20May07%20Golf%20GTI%20Edition30.PDF
Cheers for that! A quick letstorquebhp.com calculator just showed me it has more bhp/ton than e46 m3 :laugh:
well i cant/ wont promise you will be beating M3's, but you will be pleasantly suprised by how quick it is im sure
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lol i dont really go out looking for races or anything but always nice to tell your mates :grin:
Im glad it is as fast as your saying, reading the mk4 forum they ll make out there remapped cars are capable of beating much quicker cars so i was hoping it wasnt the same story here :smiley:
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Yeah my mums standard gti feels alot slower than mine (from a little test i can confirm it also is a fair bit slower) but my aim isnt to get a standard edition 30 as i would keep enough money to instantly remap and have a whole new beast which will piss all over modified ctr's! Ive looked at a supercharger for 300bhp but i want some refinement and comfort with it and the ability to have an on/off car where the ctr is always on, you need to be in the mood to drive it!
Unfortunately living on the isle of wight means i am a bit out the way to experience one and i highly doubt a mapped ed30 is even on the island lol :rolleyes:
My main hope is to have an overtaking weapon, mine is annoying as i have to take it to the redline and it looks like im trying to hard (and sounds it) which it shouldn't!
JKC, check your e-mail. i have a ED30 which is re-mapped and will be on the iow on Sunday.
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The K04 turbo in the edition 30 with a remap Will match those Cars for shear grunt of an m3 or rs4 or Porsche 911's etc . I was sceptical when was told but after seeing countless Video's on Youtube. Remap a standard GTi will get you Standard Edition30 performance. Have been out with Redrobins car and vis versa and both cars perform almost identically, and rolling road confirmed it bhp wise, but his Torque figures where 10% higher then mine with the aditional mods he has had done.
:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: WHAT!!!??? a remapped gti is ALOT quicker than a std ed30, i have vidoes to proove!!!! :huh: :huh: :huh:
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a quote from VW driver magazine
Suffice it to say that even in sixth gear it accelerates from 80 to 100 mph in 4.3 seconds; that’s the kind of performance you’d expect from a Ferrari or Lamborghini rather than a four-door hatchback.
review here http://www.superchips.co.uk/roadtest/VW%20Driver%20May07%20Golf%20GTI%20Edition30.PDF
Cheers for that! A quick letstorquebhp.com calculator just showed me it has more bhp/ton than e46 m3 :laugh:
well i cant/ wont promise you will be beating M3's, but you will be pleasantly suprised by how quick it is im sure
I can.... :wink: :grin:
Hi JKCTR, welcome to the site first of all...
As you already know my 1/4 mile figures I won't bore you with them. But if you want 0-60 0-100 figs I have them too. Plus I have timed mine (albeit with a stopwatch on speedo) from 30-70, 30-100 and 50-100 through the gears (being 3.8, 7.9 and 5.9) if that's what you are after?
Seeing as you already have a 221bhp CTR, you are already at mapped GTI pace I would say. But I would say a mapped ED30 would be comparable to a 280bhp JRSC'd CTR roughly mate..
If you like your mods though. Then there is plenty out there to continue from just the remap. First being a TBE Milltek (which is a must for modders IMO), then uprated fuel pump, FMIC etc etc.. However with just map and exhaust you should be looking at around 320bhp..
Hope that helps anyway.. :grin:
Ben
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The K04 turbo in the edition 30 with a remap Will match those Cars for shear grunt of an m3 or rs4 or Porsche 911's etc . I was sceptical when was told but after seeing countless Video's on Youtube. Remap a standard GTi will get you Standard Edition30 performance. Have been out with Redrobins car and vis versa and both cars perform almost identically, and rolling road confirmed it bhp wise, but his Torque figures where 10% higher then mine with the aditional mods he has had done.
:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: WHAT!!!??? a remapped gti is ALOT quicker than a std ed30, i have vidoes to proove!!!! :huh: :huh: :huh:
Can't see it mate.. If anything I would say the ED30 would probably nip it once at high speeds, as it has it's power higher in the revs than the Ko3 GTI...
Would say they would be very close though to be honest. Even though from the RR days the standard Ed30's were making a fair bit more power than the mapped/modded GTI's..
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ben, i know somebody very well who has a red std ed30, he also has a merc mclaren, and i have raced him on more than one ocasion!! i will post vids tomorrow, ive gone against him from 30-120 got to 2 car lengths ahead and it stayed at 2 car lengths, also done a drag from standstill to 100 and still beat him. had a pint afterwards to discuss and before everybody starts saying...."he cant have been trying" he was, also he has dsg,
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The K04 turbo in the edition 30 with a remap Will match those Cars for shear grunt of an m3 or rs4 or Porsche 911's etc . I was sceptical when was told but after seeing countless Video's on Youtube. Remap a standard GTi will get you Standard Edition30 performance. Have been out with Redrobins car and vis versa and both cars perform almost identically, and rolling road confirmed it bhp wise, but his Torque figures where 10% higher then mine with the aditional mods he has had done.
:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: WHAT!!!??? a remapped gti is ALOT quicker than a std ed30, i have vidoes to proove!!!! :huh: :huh: :huh:
stage1 GTi IS the same Joe, redrobins GTi has had more mods and is the same as mine, as proven on Motorway run with him and rolling road.Both Dsg's which are even quicker then a manual one. Unless youve done more then robin or gone stage 2, then id like to see evidence to proove the cars in your video's are what they say they are. K03 turbo has smaller gains over the k04. Which brings in the accuracy of some rolling roads giving inacurate or overated readings.
Im looking foward to this up coming rolling road at JKM portsmouth on the dyno dynamics rollers with some standard GTi's coming to put some of this in true text.
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well i still believe robins car is under-performing as even revo advertise the gti to have atleast 240bhp after a re-map, also all the extra mods that robin has and it still only pulled 236bhp?? wtf?? mine ran 230 and wasnt even boosting past 5k :shocked: :shocked: :lipsrsealed:
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infact revo advertise it as 255!!! :shocked: :shocked:
http://www.revotechnik.com/products/softwareProduct.aspx?pvID=580
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Right, outside, now... :grin:
Not saying your comparison isn't right, but it's one comparison with 2 cars. I think on the whole there will be little between them..
If you look at the recent Awesome RR day Joe, the standard Ed30's made a fair bit more power than all the modded GTI's (not just mapped) there. But again this isn't fact as no two cars are the same really..
A mapped GTI will realistically make around 240bhp and i'm pretty sure most Ed30's that go on the rollers make at least that..
Yeah the mapped GTI will have more torque, but it will also run out of puff quicker. So on the whole I would say they would be very close. The GTI would get a little jump lower down, but I would say the ED30 would pull it back once in the higher gears..
Either way, there wouldn;t be enough of a difference to say THAT one is quicker IMO.. :wink:
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Right, outside, now... :grin:
Not saying your comparison isn't right, but it's one comparison with 2 cars. I think on the whole there will be little between them..
If you look at the recent Awesome RR day Joe, the standard Ed30's made a fair bit more power than all the modded GTI's (not just mapped) there. But again this isn't fact as no two cars are the same really..
A mapped GTI will realistically make around 240bhp and i'm pretty sure most Ed30's that go on the rollers make at least that..
Yeah the mapped GTI will have more torque, but it will also run out of puff quicker. So on the whole I would say they would be very close. The GTI would get a little jump lower down, but I would say the ED30 would pull it back once in the higher gears..
Either way, there wouldn;t be enough of a difference to say THAT one is quicker IMO.. :wink:
at the RR day both mine robs and negs car were all underperforming, mine is sorted now, not sure about theirs. Also why would revo advertise 255bhp from a KO3?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Not sure mate.. Just haven't seen one make that yet..
Only one way to settle this..
Ed30 v's GTI battle @ Pod... :grin:
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What have i started :evil:
Ive already looked into a milltek mate :smug: Im not in a situation to buy right now as im saving for a move to london so im quite keen to see how the scirocco turns out with the r version and wait for some official mkvi gti pictures and info. I think i will be moving to VW though (just dont tell ctro :lipsrsealed: ) :grin:
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(http://media.brajeshwar.com/photos/mumbai/how-high-can-you-pee.jpg)
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Not sure mate.. Just haven't seen one make that yet..
Only one way to settle this..
Ed30 v's GTI battle @ Pod... :grin:
good idea, il defo be up for it and il go against phil in his superfast dsg ed30!!! u fancy organising it ben :smiley: :smiley:
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But I would say a mapped ED30 would be comparable to a 280bhp JRSC'd CTR roughly mate..[/quote]
Nooooo way, my JRSC CTR was as quick as my 420bhp S3!! From 50mph anyways..
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But I would say a mapped ED30 would be comparable to a 280bhp JRSC'd CTR roughly mate..
Nooooo way, my JRSC CTR was as quick as my 420bhp S3!! From 50mph anyways..
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whats a JRSC CTR?? any pics?? or is it a supercharged ctr
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lol, thats sounds good joe, does a manual Standard GTi hit sixty in under 6 seconds??? or even launch option??. Maybe put Ben behind the
wheel and who knows!!!!!! :laugh:
Most tuners are known to over state the true state of horsepower gains from a remap, Robins car Isnt sick at all!.I even tried to chase Lee's
ed30 Manual bluefin car(Cocopops), and that only just was faster to around 70 and then it just kept going whilst mine was making slower progress into
3 figure Territory. i know both these cars are Not sick at all, and this was over a good 50 mile trip in area's where the motorways were empty.
Put your car on a set of Dyno dynamics rollers and then perhaps your claimed 255hp will have some substance .i know each car is different, but i learned
a standard car will only produce stock bhp from those rollers and not overhyped 215hp etc and then adding a further 50hp from remapping a k03 stage 1.
(http://media.brajeshwar.com/photos/mumbai/how-high-can-you-pee.jpg)
Great pic komenda!!! im 6ft 4, so i might hit level 5 on the wall! :laugh:
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ive never said a std gti can do 0-60 in under 6 secs??? :huh: :huh: i was comparing a std ed30 to mapped gti. and yes...... of course a manual has launch controll, except its called "skill"
oh and my gti does do it in less than 6secs, :lipsrsealed:
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Im not trying to say your cars not producing what you say joe, but get your Car on Dyno Dynamics rollers if you can. Also looking foward to
seeing these videos that you say you have. Wont proove anything more but be good viewing all the same.
Both yours and mine will perform very simular , but i dont agree that a remapped stage1 GTi is "ALOT" faster then a stock ed30 as youve quoted.
Heres my rolling road evidence, i dont have robins. From memory his was about 275 lbs Ft of torque to my 250lbs ft, and 3 hp difference.
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s264/philmcavity/100_1119.jpg)
Joe , do you still have your Graph so i can see your torque curve etc?
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is that a certain kind of rolling road?? if so where are they at.....in the north?? whats the one at awesome??
i remember gaz saying a few weeks ago that he was going to one when his s3 is worn in abit more so il probs tag along :smiley: i remember ben being interested aswell
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yes Ben was going to try Dyno dynamics dyno, there is one but its not awesomes rollers. Another company has them. Ben will know.
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My 2P's worth...
I used to have a modded MKV R32. It had the Milltek system, Schrik Cams, remap and CAI. It was dyno'd at 296bhp but it does weight more than an ED30.
However, in the real world, I think turbo'd cars do have the advantage because they have a much more usable band of power. How fast is it? Well compared to the majority of cars.....I'd say fast. In fairness, if you take the number of cars on the road, most are Fiestas, Mondao's, Vectra's, etc with 1.6 or 1.8 litre engines. Yeah you've got a few BMW's, but rarely do you see a hot one and by hot I mean something like an M5, not an asthmatic 330i or something.
Therefore it's fair to say that and ED30 would take most cars on the road. I know that with my Elise now (dyno'd at 234bhp), there is very little on the road that would keep up with it. That was until I swapped cars with my dad at a recent track day and drove his 997 Turbo to realise that, as fast as the Elise is, it's not a supercar!
But in the main, I'd say the ED30 is a quick car and probably the quickest of the hot hatches.
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no, i dont have my last graph, (i actually forgot it at awesome :embarassed: :embarassed:) but the torque was around 280 i think, and power at 230 with a big boost problem, :smiley:
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actually go on http://www.awesomegti.com/ and click on rolling road, then look down the list and you will see "Golfgti.co.uk Rolling Road Day Results 7th June 2008" theres vidoes and graphs for all the cars that ran :smiley: :smiley:
and heres my graph
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/graph/rr.gti_070608/hargreaves.jpg
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looking at that , its very simular to Redrobins. you had one bad run, followed by good runs. Torque figures are the same to his aswell.Robin
was advised by revo guys to put larger intercooler to make gains on his to make improved gains.
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with a larger intercooler the car is caperble of stage 2. my car does seem to be simular as robins....but my car was very ill!! had to have the map taken off and reapplied a "more aggressive" (his words) map. the car is a HELL of alot faster than when i ran it in that graph!! :smiley:
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Whos your map by?? and yes go on dyno dynamics rollers if you can mate, prooved to be one of the most accurate. I have about 10-11 mk5's coming to my rolling road day at JKM in october 4th. So should be very interesting results.Do me a favour and look at the list to see if any have the same map as you.(in Events section) ta
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But I would say a mapped ED30 would be comparable to a 280bhp JRSC'd CTR roughly mate..
Nooooo way, my JRSC CTR was as quick as my 420bhp S3!! From 50mph anyways..
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Eh????
How's that mate..? I know the CTR is lighter 1204 kgs, but it's not 140bhp lighter if you know what I mean?
I'm going off my mates old JDM JRSC'd CTR which was about 290bhp and it ran near identical 1/4 mile times and terminal speeds to mine.. As good a indication as any.. Power/weight is similar too..
Obviously there are many stages of supercharging a CTR, but I was just refering to the standard set up. Not a big PSI 300+ monster.. :evil:
What power was yours mate?
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Ah well only going off my experience anyways, it was 295bhp and 225ft/lbs, only weighted 1070kg though, Im re thinking what I have just said based on a little play with a mates turbo VX220 tonight, when his was standard my Civic was slightly faster.. Now hes running 260bhp and 290ft/lbs and the S3 was just a little faster..
I would still say that an ED30 with the mods listed would struggle against a JRSC CTR but your car does seem to go very very well indeed!! lol..
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295bhp and 1070kgs is a little different mate.. Some nice weight loss there... :wink: I would seriously struggle against that.. Suprised it was only slightly quicker than a standard VX220 Turbo though, as they are a good 100bhp short and only about 100kgs lighter IIRC..? Quick little fookers though, especially when modded.. Speaking of JRSC's and light cars. Lad I know has a S1 Elise with a 300+bhp JRSC'd CTR engine in it. Weighs less than 700kgs and has over 420bhp/tonne... Goes well.. :shocked:
Any pics of you CTR mate? Always fancied a go in a SC'd one have to say. Really enjoyed my CTR, cracking car IMO.
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Im glad it is as fast as your saying, reading the mk4 forum they ll make out there remapped cars are capable of beating much quicker cars so i was hoping it wasnt the same story here :smiley:
Whos ever said that then?? Ive not seen it :undecided:
What cars have thay said thay can beat?? :huh:
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Not the prettiest thing in the world (reason for selling it)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o304/jonnnny28/IMG_0171.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o304/jonnnny28/IMG_0166small.jpg)
...but it went very very well!
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o304/jonnnny28/Enginebay.jpg)
Yeah that Vx220 is mega quick, pretty cool that a little practical hatch can keep up though!!
Jonny
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looking at that , its very simular to Redrobins. you had one bad run, followed by good runs. Torque figures are the same to his aswell. Robin
was advised by revo guys to put larger intercooler to make gains on his to make improved gains.
....Suggested by JKM but not specifically advised by Revo. We'll see what the plot is like on October 4th :afro:
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Not the prettiest thing in the world (reason for selling it)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o304/jonnnny28/IMG_0171.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o304/jonnnny28/IMG_0166small.jpg)
...but it went very very well!
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o304/jonnnny28/Enginebay.jpg)
Yeah that Vx220 is mega quick, pretty cool that a little practical hatch can keep up though!!
Jonny
Mmmm mmmm mmmm I like that. Love the rims too..
A sleek coupe the CTR is not, but they still look mint in a 'Track Attack' sort of way (if done right) if you know what I mean..
Will always have a place in my heart for them.. :grin: (hense the user name :wink:)
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Im glad it is as fast as your saying, reading the mk4 forum they ll make out there remapped cars are capable of beating much quicker cars so i was hoping it wasnt the same story here :smiley:
Whos ever said that then?? Ive not seen it :undecided:
What cars have thay said thay can beat?? :huh:
Unfortunately I couldnt get passed it, but I did keep up with a 56 reg BMW 650 coupe in my 1.8T upto 110mph before we both backed off (for a corner which is notorious for police sitting on the other side of).
I took a MK5 Gti last night, off a round about he fell back but was trying, thank fook there wasnt any corners i think he'd have pumped me P6000's are pants!!
Mk4 GTis are a joke.
LOL @ this. Like been said already, £500 on a remap and you got a clio sport/honda type r/BMW 320/etc beater so they aint that much of a joke are they?
Ive yet to come accross a fast MK4, im not sure where the cars are being dynoed but i think they are well over reading. A dyno gives a great idea of a performance increase but unless you take the engine out to dyno it you have no idea of the true power coming out. No one on the ctro forum has come across a fast mk4 either, no matter how modded (well unless they have had bigger turbos put on)! Mine is modded at 220bhp and when i had a little play with a mk4 with apparently 220 bhp it was very far behind and, as far as i know, there isnt a huge amount of difference in weight?
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Heres a quick vid of mine. It was very wet so half throttle in 1st and backed off after 95 (my private runway was running out :cool: ) It seems quicker now but my exhaust was new and i had little fuel then so probly why. Il get a decent one soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em6ffFsWti4
Heres my car while im at it, i still love it but parked next to my mums gti it looks old :cry:
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s131/Jules86dad/04052008220.jpg)
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Im glad it is as fast as your saying, reading the mk4 forum they ll make out there remapped cars are capable of beating much quicker cars so i was hoping it wasnt the same story here :smiley:
Whos ever said that then?? Ive not seen it :undecided:
What cars have thay said thay can beat?? :huh:
Unfortunately I couldnt get passed it, but I did keep up with a 56 reg BMW 650 coupe in my 1.8T upto 110mph before we both backed off (for a corner which is notorious for police sitting on the other side of).
I took a MK5 Gti last night, off a round about he fell back but was trying, thank fook there wasnt any corners i think he'd have pumped me P6000's are pants!!
Mk4 GTis are a joke.
LOL @ this. Like been said already, £500 on a remap and you got a clio sport/honda type r/BMW 320/etc beater so they aint that much of a joke are they?
Ive yet to come accross a fast MK4, im not sure where the cars are being dynoed but i think they are well over reading. A dyno gives a great idea of a performance increase but unless you take the engine out to dyno it you have no idea of the true power coming out. No one on the ctro forum has come across a fast mk4 either, no matter how modded (well unless they have had bigger turbos put on)! Mine is modded at 220bhp and when i had a little play with a mk4 with apparently 220 bhp it was very far behind and, as far as i know, there isnt a huge amount of difference in weight?
so you pick out 3 quotes from way back yonder and say we're talking out of our arse? :rolleyes:
you not read this thread :rolleyes:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=64070.0
and yes i claim i've beaten faster cars but as you say it all depends on the other driver - what i will say is i've caught a few by surprise :tongue:
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there's a rolling road day in October at JKM - why don't you pop over as there's a few MKIV's there and we will see what they are actually acheiving :smiley: (or as close as is possibly accurate)
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Jkctr ,that video of your Ctr, to 100, it does look slower to the ed30. Notice even though the Civic revs to 100,000rpm, it still only gets to 60mph before needing 3rd!.
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Notice even though the Civic revs to 100,000rpm, it still only gets to 60mph before needing 3rd!.
LOL - would that be the one fitted with a jet turbine engine? :tongue: :lipsrsealed: :evil:
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Had mine done at one of the best tuners for type r's at tdi north (owner of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgweQp1Y2Qo&feature=related)
Heres the read outs
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s131/Jules86dad/16042008162.jpg)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s131/Jules86dad/16042008160.jpg)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s131/Jules86dad/16042008165.jpg)
(sorry for rubbish pics)
As with any car you get people who talk sh!t and sensible owners who dont. We get morons who claim to beat faster cars on the ctro site!
Will be interesting to see some of the results from the RR day!
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Jkctr ,that video of your Ctr, to 100, it does look slower to the ed30. Notice even though the Civic revs to 100,000rpm, it still only gets to 60mph before needing 3rd!.
Yeah, before KPRO (ecu/remap) it has to actually be put into 3rd to hit 60. With KPRO the limiter is raised to 8600 and 60 is achievable in 2nd. I had to really becareful in 1st where it was raining so used very little throttle (you can see i change early) I doubt it is quicker than standard ed30 tbh!
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Will be interesting to see some of the results from the RR day!
indeed - i'm aiming for 400bhp and 1000lbs ft torque - should see off most cars :laugh: :laugh:
being slightly realistic i'm aiming for 160bhp and around 285lbs ft torque :smiley:
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Jkctr. I had my ed30 rr'd at tdi north at a rr day. Mine pulled 256bhp and 270lbft (stock ed30)
I saw the crazy type r that the owner has, he has put alot of work into that car.
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there something about the rolling roads up north!!!, all std ed30's producing more then 255bhp??? , yet down south they are all around stock figures 230approx. Must be the fuel you guys get or something!.
Jkctr ,your more then welcome to come along as a spectator as your only on the isle of wight. Come along mate and say hello. Lots of Mk5's on show.
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I may well do mate, i will let you know. Cheers for the invite :smiley:
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I may well do mate, i will let you know. Cheers for the invite :smiley:
October 4th (saturday from 9am) stick it in your diary.
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Will do! (i presume all details are in the mk4 sticky section!)
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I so wanted to come to this :( Im away in Loughbough that weekend :(
Who do I have to blame for organising that date?
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Will do! (i presume all details are in the mk4 sticky section!)
nope - Shows and Events section :wink:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=87404.0
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Will do! (i presume all details are in the mk4 sticky section!)
nope - Shows and Events section :wink:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=87404.0
Awesome, cheers dude!
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Will do! (i presume all details are in the mk4 sticky section!)
nope - Shows and Events section :wink:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=87404.0
Awesome, cheers dude!
no worries :smiley: make sure you keep reading the MKIV section though so you can keep up to date with our latest conquests :wink: :tongue: :grin: :grin:
next on my hitlist to wipe the floor with is a new 911 Turbo :tongue: standard ones just aren't any fun anymore :sad: :laugh: :laugh:
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Just my 2 pence worth on the std Ed30/mapped gti subject
Went up against a standard ed30 in a revo'd gti. It was up a long hill and I got to 1.35
I was changing gear at about 5300rpm (anything after thats a waste of time)
I must have pulled away at least 4 car lengths from him.
Maybe because it was up a hill the extra torque on a mapped gti made more of a difference?
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Just my 2 pence worth on the std Ed30/mapped gti subject
Went up against a standard ed30 in a revo'd gti. It was up a long hill and I got to 1.35
I was changing gear at about 5300rpm (anything after thats a waste of time)
I must have pulled away at least 4 car lengths from him.
Maybe because it was up a hill the extra torque on a mapped gti made more of a difference?
....Stage1 or Stage2 Revo?
What other mods?
Have you considered that at 135 mph (on your speedo I presume, and if so, you were doing considerably less) the Ed30 driver might have seen sense and backed off? (I'm also assuming it was in the UK)
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I'm also assuming that changing at 5300rpm is a waste of time too.. You can add another 1000rpm to that before changing gear..
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I'm also assuming that changing at 5300rpm is a waste of time too.. You can add another 1000rpm to that before changing gear..
Just out of interest.. when does the dsg change the gears?? (for you :drool:)
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thats a rather long hill to get the car to 135mph??? if so only 4 car lenghts means its about the same in power which is what the whole Argument was about or about 3-5 hp or slightly higher torque of around 20 lb ft!! :smiley:
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I'm also assuming that changing at 5300rpm is a waste of time too.. You can add another 1000rpm to that before changing gear..
Just out of interest.. when does the dsg change the gears?? (for you :drool:)
....I was specifically playing with this yesterday when using S-mode which I hadn't done for thousands of miles but used to use very frequently when I first had the car. So, if you keep on the throttle she'll go to about 6,500 literally kissing the red in S-mode.
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My car changes at around 7200rpm in S mode at full throttle.
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My car changes at around 7200rpm in S mode at full throttle.
Isn't that just in first and second gear it goes just over the redline? and then round 6500rpm in all others :undecided:
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I'm pretty sure it does so in third as well...
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I heard that the MK2 Leon Cupra with similar mods can give FQ340 Evos with a full decat a hard time in a straight line (not 1st gear), and will give Scooby STi's a scalding in the same type of scenario :wink:
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just wanted to add this. Posted By MaxQ.
**UPDATED TO INCLUDE ROLLING ROAD RESULTS**
Revo review on a standard DSG GTi.
So, I've had the remap for about a month now and have been meaning to post my thoughts about it on here. So here goes..
After a lot of research and asking questions on here I decided that I would go for the Revo stage 1 remap. So I called my local Revo dealer and got myself booked in for the remap. When I showed up with the car to have the remap done, the first thing the dealer did was to run a VAG-COM check on the car to see if it had any fault codes. Once he was happy that the car had no outstanding fault codes he went ahead and uploaded the Revo map. The uploading of the Revo map took about 15-20 mins. Once the map was on board he asked me questions about what sort of driving I do with the car and what type of fuel I intended to run it on. I had been running it on 99RON fuel anyway but he advised me to keep the car on a strict diet of 99RON to get the most out of the remap. He then set up my Revo settings for running 99RON fuel. The Revo settings he set me up with were Boost 6, Timing 5, Fuel 6. He said he was setting my fuel at 6 (even though Revo recommend 9) because he said in his experience the GTi fuel pump isn't up to the job and a setting of 6 gives better results. He said that you see the ECU pulling timing a lot with a fuel setting of 9 because the fuel pump just can't keep up. I asked about doing a rolling road run and he said there was no point doing one straight away because the car would need several cold starts and a good bit of driving to allow the ECU to adapt to get the most out of the remap, but he did say to come back in about a month if I wanted a run on the RR. So he sent me on my way.
So, my thoughts, - well you notice the difference straight away. There was a huge increase in torque and power. I had a good stretch on the motorway on my way home and the pull in 5th and 6th gear was just incredible. I chickened out way before the car stopped pulling. The other thing that you notice is the turbo noise. On the standard map you had to listen really carefully to hear the turbo, but now there is no mistaking it - you can really hear the compressor working hard. The car still drives almost as standard when just pottering about and the DSG copes admirably with the extra power and torque. The gear changes are still as smooth as ever in both tiptronic and in D. The biggest thing you'll notice though is the extra torque. I regularly see the traction control light flashing in 3rd gear when you give it some beans and it's a bit wet. There is just so much more power and torque that it really does feel like a totally different car. The difference is just phenomenal. It has turned a quick car into a rocket ship!
I decided to buy the additional (but not required) Revo Select Plus switch, which allows you to change the settings for boost, timing and fuel as well as switch to different performance/fuel programs and back to stock when required for dealer visits etc. Out of curiosity I turned the car back to stock settings last week with the switch to try it out and the car just felt so slow. I had to stop at the next junction and get the switch out to put it back on the Revo settings! It's funny how you just get used to all the extra power and torque and when it's not there you really notice it.
There have been no negatives so far for me. My MPG is pretty much the same and so far I've had no problems with DV's or anything else. It's still early days, but I think the components will hold up just fine.
The next step would be to go for Revo Stage 2 which requires a new downpipe and sports cat, but for the moment anyway Revo stage 1 is more than enough for me.
As for results, I don't have any rolling road figures yet, but the Revo dealer reckoned it would be putting out about 250bhp with Revo Stage 1, and my gut feeling is that 250bhp feels about right for what the car is driving like now. Revo claim their stage 1 software puts out 255bhp and 285 ft-lbs of torque. Next on the agenda is to get the car booked in for a run on the RR to get the real figures.
So if you're thinking about remapping your car - go for it. You won't regret it. It's well worth the money and I'm so glad I did it.
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Here is the graph of results from my recent run on a dyno. Max BHP came out at 231, and max torque of 265 ft-lbs (360 Nm). The car is standard apart from the remap.
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This GTi on dyno dynamics again gave 230hp. with revo stage 1. Near on exact to a standard ED30.
Goes to proove that some Remapping specialists saying 250bhp, just isnt true on a standard GTi.
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Just my 2 pence worth on the std Ed30/mapped gti subject
Went up against a standard ed30 in a revo'd gti. It was up a long hill and I got to 1.35
I was changing gear at about 5300rpm (anything after thats a waste of time)
I must have pulled away at least 4 car lengths from him.
Maybe because it was up a hill the extra torque on a mapped gti made more of a difference?
....Stage1 or Stage2 Revo?
What other mods?
Have you considered that at 135 mph (on your speedo I presume, and if so, you were doing considerably less) the Ed30 driver might have seen sense and backed off? (I'm also assuming it was in the UK)
Stage 1, Boost 8, timing 5, fuel 9, K&N Panel and has been vagcom'd to death.
13.5mph, yes on the speedo, so you can take around 8% of that which would be around 12.4mph
I'm quite sure he never backed off but we'll never know I guess.
I'm also assuming that changing at 5300rpm is a waste of time too.. You can add another 1000rpm to that before changing gear..
If you look at the various graphs around for mapped 200ps gti you will see bhp goes flat at 5krpm, maybe with a slight peak somewhere after. Torque is also taking a dive.
I like taking it to the red line and have tried a set distance changing at 6.5k and just over 5krpm. I get a slightly higher terminal speed changing at just over 5k. Your lucky, you've got an ed30 :drool:(I wish I had one by the way) which pulls hard all the way to the red line.
thats a rather long hill to get the car to 135mph??? if so only 4 car lenghts means its about the same in power which is what the whole Argument was about or about 3-5 hp or slightly higher torque of around 20 lb ft!! :smiley:
Yes, it is a long hill and you're right, there's not a lot in it. From my experience it is a little quicker :smiley:
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Here in SA it's believed that the BWA engine code GTI has 160kw (around 215 hp i think). It has been confirmed by numerous 'dyno's' (what we call rolling roads here). As opposed to the earlier GTI's which had much less. Haven't tested mine so don't know what the deal is.
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The BWA engine using 98RON petrol will produce more than the vw quoted 200bhp...
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My car changes at around 7200rpm in S mode at full throttle.
Isn't that just in first and second gear it goes just over the redline? and then round 6500rpm in all others :undecided:
Don't forget that both "auto" modes of the DSG are controlled by and adaptive ECU. This uses fuzzy logic, and the ECU "learns" the style and habits of the driver, and adapts the shift pattern accordingly. If you are always lifting off the throttle in 3rd in S mode, then the box will adapt its' shift patterns accordingly. I notice that when SWMBO soley drives the GTI for any length of time, the shift patterns do drop in the rev-range. :nerd:
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Don't forget that both "auto" modes of the DSG are controlled by and adaptive ECU. This uses fuzzy logic, and the ECU "learns" the style and habits of the driver, and adapts the shift pattern accordingly. If you are always lifting off the throttle in 3rd in S mode, then the box will adapt its' shift patterns accordingly. I notice that SWMBO soley drives the GTI for any length of time, the shift patterns do drop in the rev-range. :nerd:
....Ah, that explains everything! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
I invariably shift gear as she just kisses (without tongues!!) the red zone. Also, my torque curve delivers over the 250 ft lb mark between 2,600 and 4,700 (as dyno run) - If that means anything in the context of this subject.
:afro:
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Here in SA it's believed that the BWA engine code GTI has 160kw (around 215 hp i think). It has been confirmed by numerous 'dyno's' (what we call rolling roads here). As opposed to the earlier GTI's which had much less. Haven't tested mine so don't know what the deal is.
Sorry, but that is wrong. The current BWA engine in the standard GTI is officially rated at 147kW, which is 200PS, or about 197bhp. The only 2.0TFSI engine rated near the 160kW is the BUL engine, rated at 162kW/220PS, and was only fitted in the 2005 Audi A4 DTM edition.
All "standard" GTIs, weather the early AAX, or the current BWA - are all rated at the same 147kW output.
The Edition30 and Pirelli GTIs have the BYD engine, and are rated at 169kW/230PS, whereas the Seat Leon Cupra uses the BWJ engine, rated at 177kW/240PS.
Finally, the "daddy" engine is the BHZ, rated at 195kW/265PS, found under the bonnet of the Audi S3. :nerd: :smug:
Furthermore, neither "horsepower" (hp), nor "brake horsepower" (bhp) are used by Volkswagen Group to assess the engine output, so by using such figures can be slightly misleading, due to the conversion factor, and the number of significant figures used in said conversion factor. And ONLY Yanks use "hp"! :sick:
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Don't forget that both "auto" modes of the DSG are controlled by and adaptive ECU. This uses fuzzy logic, and the ECU "learns" the style and habits of the driver, and adapts the shift pattern accordingly. If you are always lifting off the throttle in 3rd in S mode, then the box will adapt its' shift patterns accordingly. I notice that SWMBO soley drives the GTI for any length of time, the shift patterns do drop in the rev-range. :nerd:
....Ah, that explains everything! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
I invariably shift gear as she just kisses (without tongues!!) the red zone. Also, my torque curve delivers over the 250 ft lb mark between 2,600 and 4,700 (as dyno run) - If that means anything in the context of this subject.
:afro:
"Optimum" shift changes can vary with momentum too.
If you are on a linear acceleration, ie constantly building speed, then optimum acceleration should be achieved by letting the revs rise to the red line (or to where peak power starts to drop). However, if you are at a constant speed, and wish to accelerate, then to "initiate" the maximum rate of acceleration, you need to be in the rev range where maximum torque is generated, which is usually (in a petrol engine) a fair bit lower than max power revs. :nerd:
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Here in SA it's believed that the BWA engine code GTI has 160kw (around 215 hp i think). It has been confirmed by numerous 'dyno's' (what we call rolling roads here). As opposed to the earlier GTI's which had much less. Haven't tested mine so don't know what the deal is.
Sorry, but that is wrong. The current BWA engine in the standard GTI is officially rated at 147kW, which is 200PS, or about 197bhp. The only 2.0TFSI engine rated near the 160kW is the BUL engine, rated at 162kW/220PS, and was only fitted in the 2005 Audi A4 DTM edition.
All "standard" GTIs, weather the early AAX, or the current BWA - are all rated at the same 147kW output.
The Edition30 and Pirelli GTIs have the BYD engine, and are rated at 169kW/230PS, whereas the Seat Leon Cupra uses the BWJ engine, rated at 177kW/240PS.
Finally, the "daddy" engine is the BHZ, rated at 195kW/265PS, found under the bonnet of the Audi S3. :nerd: :smug:
Furthermore, neither "horsepower" (hp), nor "brake horsepower" (bhp) are used by Volkswagen Group to assess the engine output, so by using such figures can be slightly misleading, due to the conversion factor, and the number of significant figures used in said conversion factor. And ONLY Yanks use "hp"! :sick:
:grin: haha...cool TT You certainly know a lot about this stuff!!
Have a read if you will on the local forums here:
http://www.vwclub.co.za/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66952&p=642409&hilit=BWA#p642409
There's various other threads on boards here in SA about this topic. Widely believed that the BWA is up on the older ones, even though VW still market it as 147kw.
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"Optimum" shift changes can vary with momentum too.
If you are on a linear acceleration, ie constantly building speed, then optimum acceleration should be achieved by letting the revs rise to the red line (or to where peak power starts to drop). However, if you are at a constant speed, and wish to accelerate, then to "initiate" the maximum rate of acceleration, you need to be in the rev range where maximum torque is generated, which is usually (in a petrol engine) a fair bit lower than max power revs. :nerd:
....Yep :afro:
Hence why it's a good idea to actually read the rev counter while driving as well as hear the engine's revs. My dyno plot shows max torque of 258 ft lb very evenly between 3,100 and 4,000 revs.
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The BWA engine using 98RON petrol will produce more than the vw quoted 200bhp...
Pedantic correction - The BWA engine using 98RON petrol may produce more than the Volkswagen quoted 200PS. :smug:
However, the BWA engine is rated according to German DIN standards (which are arguably the most reliable in the world), and most BWAs can reasonably be expected to reach the quoted output. Some may well exceed it, and some may well fall slightly short. But VW do not submit every single engine off the production line for testing - which is why tollerances are allowed, and why differences may be found! :smug: :nerd:
"VW" is merely an "icon" of the Volkswagen company, in the same way that the four interlocked rings are Audis' icon. :wink:
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Here in SA it's believed that the BWA engine code GTI has 160kw (around 215 hp i think). It has been confirmed by numerous 'dyno's' (what we call rolling roads here). As opposed to the earlier GTI's which had much less. Haven't tested mine so don't know what the deal is.
Sorry, but that is wrong. The current BWA engine in the standard GTI is officially rated at 147kW, which is 200PS, or about 197bhp. The only 2.0TFSI engine rated near the 160kW is the BUL engine, rated at 162kW/220PS, and was only fitted in the 2005 Audi A4 DTM edition.
All "standard" GTIs, weather the early AAX, or the current BWA - are all rated at the same 147kW output.
The Edition30 and Pirelli GTIs have the BYD engine, and are rated at 169kW/230PS, whereas the Seat Leon Cupra uses the BWJ engine, rated at 177kW/240PS.
Finally, the "daddy" engine is the BHZ, rated at 195kW/265PS, found under the bonnet of the Audi S3. :nerd: :smug:
Furthermore, neither "horsepower" (hp), nor "brake horsepower" (bhp) are used by Volkswagen Group to assess the engine output, so by using such figures can be slightly misleading, due to the conversion factor, and the number of significant figures used in said conversion factor. And ONLY Yanks use "hp"! :sick:
:grin: haha...cool TT You certainly know a lot about this stuff!!
Have a read if you will on the local forums here:
http://www.vwclub.co.za/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66952&p=642409&hilit=BWA#p642409
There's various other threads on boards here in SA about this topic. Widely believed that the BWA is up on the older ones, even though VW still market it as 147kw.
Joined and posted a response. Their site is a little slow over here though. :wink:
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Im after a real world comparison on a remapped edition 30. No one does 0-60 blasts as most roads are 30 that move up into 40mph roads or NSL roads so its more of a 30-70 description i would like. I appreciate they are fast (vtec abuser is a on a ctr forum i use and his is bloody quick from his 1/4 mile evidence lol) but its hard to know as the only thread to see is the 'what have you beat in your gti' one which is a bit rubbish as there are so many variables, you could beat a veyron if the owner had no petrol so didnt try!
I have had a good look on here and have been lurking for ages (i have a sticky in the car care section) and im now quite keen on an edition 30 as my ctr is becoming expensive to mod for little returns, and revving it to 8600 is great fun, but not when im not in the mood and just want an easy overtake! From reading the MK4 forum they sound like they are talking out there arse tbh, im much faster than remapped 1.8t's, but im also modded! So therein lies my problem, i would like comparisons from people who actually owned other fast cars and not just beat them on the road as you never know the condition of the other car as all other cars are different!
Cheers guys :smiley:
This is about all I can say on this matter :wink:
What do they say. "A picture is worth a thousand words"
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The BWA engine using 98RON petrol will produce more than the vw quoted 200bhp...
only by 5-6 horsepower. Mine has always run on 99, and did 233hp , 6 above stated factory, but will increase your torque figure more though.
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The BWA engine using 98RON petrol will produce more than the vw quoted 200bhp...
only by 5-6 horsepower. Mine has always run on 99, and did 233hp , 6 above stated factory, but will increase your torque figure more though.
But you missed my point earlier - Volkswagen do not test for "bhp" - they actually test in kilowatts (kW), and then convert to Pfederstarke (PS), and then the yanks convert into bhp. And just like the yanks don't know how to tie their shoelaces, they can't work an abacus either! :rolleyes:
And you are crossing wires between the standard GTI engine and the Ed30. :wink:
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And on that yanky note....
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
crazy crazy stuff if you watch the whole film. Dont say i didnt warn you.
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I cant confirm times as i havent timed my car but To anyone thinking of mapping the Ed30 i would do it, they are plenty fast standard even more so tweaked.I will embarass some expensive machinery.What i do like is the diversity of my car.Friday my car was on the shopping run, sunday 1/4 mile day, monday ferrying the family and luggage down to centre parcs for a holiday returning good mpg and at the same time being a track tool too, check some of the other guys - Neilm for example he looks to partial to a trackday or two.I would be amazed to see a ed30 get into 12's on a 1/4 mile though
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I cant confirm times as i havent timed my car but To anyone thinking of mapping the Ed30 i would do it, they are plenty fast standard even more so tweaked.I will embarass some expensive machinery.What i do like is the diversity of my car.Friday my car was on the shopping run, sunday 1/4 mile day, monday ferrying the family and luggage down to centre parcs for a holiday returning good mpg and at the same time being a track tool too, check some of the other guys - Neilm for example he looks to partial to a trackday or two.I would be amazed to see a ed30 get into 12's on a 1/4 mile though
Couldn't of put it better myself mate..
As for the 12's, I would of said the same before I ran my 13.2. But now with stage 2 (and if necessary remove a back chairs :wink:), I don't think it'll be out of the question really..
Whether it does it on 4mm of tread is another thing though.. :grin:
Have you ran yours again Keith? How did you get on?
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Surely no thread aka slicks would be better. :wink:
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Surely no thread aka slicks would be better. :wink:
It would if they were a soft compound rubber, yeah. But road tyres... :undecided: :grin:
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Boooring, Why are people arguing about 10hp etc etc
The Hondas and GTi's are both quick cars but deliver the power very different,
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rob you have a gift, your cars always look mint :smiley:
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I cant confirm times as i havent timed my car but To anyone thinking of mapping the Ed30 i would do it, they are plenty fast standard even more so tweaked.I will embarass some expensive machinery.What i do like is the diversity of my car.Friday my car was on the shopping run, sunday 1/4 mile day, monday ferrying the family and luggage down to centre parcs for a holiday returning good mpg and at the same time being a track tool too, check some of the other guys - Neilm for example he looks to partial to a trackday or two.I would be amazed to see a ed30 get into 12's on a 1/4 mile though
Couldn't of put it better myself mate..
As for the 12's, I would of said the same before I ran my 13.2. But now with stage 2 (and if necessary remove a back chairs :wink:), I don't think it'll be out of the question really..
Whether it does it on 4mm of tread is another thing though.. :grin:
Have you ran yours again Keith? How did you get on?
I could only manage 14.5 last sunday, this is more due to me than the car :embarassed: If i get a good start then i mess up in the gear change, or if i get a bad start then i have a good gear change etc.. for instance the 14.5 time had a R/T of 1.1 but i still manged to cross the line doing 103mph and beat the Focus RS that had a way better start than me by 10mph.I reckon with a decent start i could get into the 13's.this is the car fully set up no seats or spare wheels removed lol.I do need a better exhaust though and a heat shield for the dbilas.
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I cant confirm times as i havent timed my car but To anyone thinking of mapping the Ed30 i would do it, they are plenty fast standard even more so tweaked.I will embarass some expensive machinery.What i do like is the diversity of my car.Friday my car was on the shopping run, sunday 1/4 mile day, monday ferrying the family and luggage down to centre parcs for a holiday returning good mpg and at the same time being a track tool too, check some of the other guys - Neilm for example he looks to partial to a trackday or two.I would be amazed to see a ed30 get into 12's on a 1/4 mile though
Couldn't of put it better myself mate..
As for the 12's, I would of said the same before I ran my 13.2. But now with stage 2 (and if necessary remove a back chairs :wink:), I don't think it'll be out of the question really..
Whether it does it on 4mm of tread is another thing though.. :grin:
Have you ran yours again Keith? How did you get on?
I could only manage 14.5 last sunday, this is more due to me than the car :embarassed: If i get a good start then i mess up in the gear change, or if i get a bad start then i have a good gear change etc.. for instance the 14.5 time had a R/T of 1.1 but i still manged to cross the line doing 103mph and beat the Focus RS that had a way better start than me by 10mph.I reckon with a decent start i could get into the 13's.this is the car fully set up no seats or spare wheels removed lol.I do need a better exhaust though and a heat shield for the dbilas.
Al down to practise bud.. There is definately room for a lot of improvement there mate.. You should be running at least mid 13's (like Al).. Need to get myself up to Crail one day me thinks.. :wink:
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Aye, Al was getting 13.7 and thinks he can get better.His mate owen has taken delivery of a Peloquin Dif, very nice peice of kit and a clutch kit thinking this maybe my next venture :laugh:
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And on that yanky note....
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
crazy crazy stuff if you watch the whole film. Dont say i didnt warn you.
What is it all about? The trailer sort of confused me, and I CBA to watch all 2hours of the stuff in teeny resolution!
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And on that yanky note....
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
crazy crazy stuff if you watch the whole film. Dont say i didnt warn you.
What is it all about? The trailer sort of confused me, and I CBA to watch all 2hours of the stuff in teeny resolution!
Chapter 2 & 3 are all about how messed up america are. 911 and the entire banking systems in america are a total load of balls.. its not out yet but you can get the film from amazon... i would say its a defo watch if your interested in whats going on in the world today, because nothing is as you think it is. its DEEP DUDE!
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Aye, Al was getting 13.7 and thinks he can get better.His mate owen has taken delivery of a Peloquin Dif, very nice peice of kit and a clutch kit thinking this maybe my next venture :laugh:
13.6 ;)
http://www.crailraceway.co.uk/show_times.asp?CarNumber=36&RunDate=20080831&RaceID=395
To be fair though, the car had new tyres on, and the biggest difference was the 60 foot times for me with 0.2 seconds off. As quick as I may be able to change gears, I aint as fast as DSG, although I do believe if I did strip the car, 13.4 is do-able.
Remember when they tested a DSG and non DSG car that 0.4 secs was the gap between the cars on the quarter mile.
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Still a awesome time mate..
Was at Pod today and wasn't going to run as tyres are shot, but couldn't resist in the end... :tongue:
Should've saved my £20 (although fun), as couldn't better 13.4 today but my terminals improved slightly even though it was fairly bloody warm and runs were ruined by sh!te traction...
Will certainly be back though... :evil:
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alright ben saw you at pod today ,my old evo did a 13.2 at 106.5mph as i wasn't willing to destroy the clutch to get a 12 :grin:
Still was impressed with your car ,what was your 60ft time on the 13.4 and your best of 13.2?
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Now then mate.. Which Evo were you in? As I went down with a load of Evo lads yesterday...
60ft's were 2.4's mainly and have done a 2.1 before.. Fooked up a couple of my runs too (especially when double clicking on the paddle and going straight to 3rd from 1st :embarassed:, that was on the 13.4 run too :undecided:).. Was a gorgeous day though..
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especially when double clicking on the paddle and going straight to 3rd from 1st :embarassed:,
....I did that once - Not on The Pod but just going for fast overtake. I shan't make that mistake again! Even with plenty of torque it doesn't help you get there quickly.
We learn by our mistakes :afro:
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especially when double clicking on the paddle and going straight to 3rd from 1st :embarassed:,
....I did that once - Not on The Pod but just going for fast overtake. I shan't make that mistake again! Even with plenty of torque it doesn't help you get there quickly.
We learn by our mistakes :afro:
Cant say I have ever made that mistake :rolleyes: :grin:
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mine was a old silver e4 with rear tints and a tein sticker in back window and no spots,our cars weigh about the same (mine is full interior) so i guess we have similar power at the wheels mine is about 265atw(340/345) yours is probably about 265atw(310) still great times for you ,i reckon a 12 is possible with a 2.1 60ft and everything coming together.
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Awesome's rollers reckon it's got 300ATW (320 @ Fly) but i'd say it's less than that..
Yeah 12's isn't out the question, but certainly need new front boots on and perfect conditions or removal of rear chairs.. :wink:
Just seen your posts on MLR actually. I travelled down with Northy his brother, Steve and few others and I can confirm that as quick as a 300+bhp Golf is, it can't hold on to a 520bhp Evo 8 or 450bhp Spec C... :shocked: :grin:Awesome motors!
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awesomes rollers are dynojet which is only comparable to other dynojets,the figures i was quoting are dyno dynamics,i think zboyd got 260atw(305fly) with his mk2 leon(like yours).
Yours on roll on will be similar to mine i reckon ,i'm fitting some cams and a better turbo compressor housing which should see 400+ in a month so i will go back and hopefully aim for low 12's.
yeah northy and bro and ad's all 500+ were all in the mid to low 11's at 120+,awesome!
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One of my customers has a stroker engine in his Evo 6 and a "small" big turbo developing 444bhp and 443ft-lbs with low rpm spool. It is an absolute animal, and there is no chance in hell my Cupra would be even remotely close to it on any test.
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Different class aren't they the modded ones.. But you either need to be on first name terms with your Bank Manager or be called 'Richie Rich McRich, the 3rd Earl to the Duke of Money land' to own one.. :grin:
Ryan, Z's Cupra (although having uprated Fuel pump etc) made the same power on Awesome's rollers (304bhp) the same day mine made 315bhp..
See here..
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/rr.gti_070608.html
Made nicer midrange power though.. Awesome's @ Fly figures seem to be pretty consistant with most other DD rollers (wheels are a bit optimistic IMO though). But DD do seem to be better respected. Soon find out what mine makes on DD rollers, as it's going on next month.. :wink:
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especially when double clicking on the paddle and going straight to 3rd from 1st :embarassed:,
....I did that once - Not on The Pod but just going for fast overtake. I shan't make that mistake again! Even with plenty of torque it doesn't help you get there quickly.
We learn by our mistakes :afro:
Cant say I have ever made that mistake :rolleyes: :grin:
Only grinded the gears though R32uk :evil:
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especially when double clicking on the paddle and going straight to 3rd from 1st :embarassed:,
....I did that once - Not on The Pod but just going for fast overtake. I shan't make that mistake again! Even with plenty of torque it doesn't help you get there quickly.
We learn by our mistakes :afro:
Cant say I have ever made that mistake :rolleyes: :grin:
Only grinded the gears though R32uk :evil:
Takes a bit more skill than clicking a paddle... but I think I got it down to a 'T' :wink:
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especially when double clicking on the paddle and going straight to 3rd from 1st :embarassed:,
....I did that once - Not on The Pod but just going for fast overtake. I shan't make that mistake again! Even with plenty of torque it doesn't help you get there quickly.
We learn by our mistakes :afro:
Cant say I have ever made that mistake :rolleyes: :grin:
Only grinded the gears though R32uk :evil:
Takes a bit more skill than clicking a paddle... but I think I got it down to a 'T' :wink:
So you've never:-
Fluffed a gear change and ground the gears
Missed a gear by going into 5th instead of 3rd etc
Misjudged a bite point on a hill and stalled it
Underrevved and stalled it
Overrevved in reverse and had that lovely burned clutch smell
And be honest now :wink:
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especially when double clicking on the paddle and going straight to 3rd from 1st :embarassed:,
....I did that once - Not on The Pod but just going for fast overtake. I shan't make that mistake again! Even with plenty of torque it doesn't help you get there quickly.
We learn by our mistakes :afro:
Cant say I have ever made that mistake :rolleyes: :grin:
Only grinded the gears though R32uk :evil:
Takes a bit more skill than clicking a paddle... but I think I got it down to a 'T' :wink:
So you've never:-
Fluffed a gear change and ground the gears
Missed a gear by going into 5th instead of 3rd etc
Misjudged a bite point on a hill and stalled it
Underrevved and stalled it
Overrevved in reverse and had that lovely burned clutch smell
And be honest now :wink:
Dont remember saying I have 'never' but im an honest guy..
Fluffed a change.. yes however this was when the car was new.. and not since
Missed a gear/gone into a wrong gear... nope afraid not
Never stalled on a hill... I dont encounter many of these tbh but when i do I got the CC spot on.. any hill!
Never under revved... thats the beauty of a V6, you dont often under rev
And never in reverse either
Its all been done in my lovelly citroen from a few years back... but i have been driving long enough to not make errors like that anymore :smug:
p.s. Could this be confessions of a DSG driver :lipsrsealed: :tongue:
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We have not had one of these threads for a while :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Hi TC, whats for tea? :smug:
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Hi TC, whats for tea? :smug:
Long time no see stranger. Chicken and chips :smug:
and what are you having after a long day buffing. :wink:
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We have not had one of these threads for a while :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
It has been a while hasnt it! Just another DSG flaw being highlighted for those who still like it old skool :evil:
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Hi TC, whats for tea? :smug:
Long time no see stranger. Chicken and chips :smug:
and what are you having after a long day buffing. :wink:
Been working O/T to pay for the BatCave mate, but still been reading up most days. Thai green curry with basmati rice for tea.
Is this another one of "those" Remapped ED30 threads then... :rolleyes:
Apologies for going off thread, only posted to say hi to TC. You guys get back to your incredulous boasting topic :wink: :wink: :wink:
Ducks for INCOMING!
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We have not had one of these threads for a while :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
It has been a while hasnt it! Just another DSG flaw being highlighted for those who still like it old skool :evil:
Al right i will roll my sleeves up, that fault which Ben and red pointed out cant happen, the box stops you going from third to first so first raspberry in your face. :kiss:
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We have not had one of these threads for a while :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
It has been a while hasnt it! Just another DSG flaw being highlighted for those who still like it old skool :evil:
Al right i will roll my sleeves up, that fault which Ben and red pointed out cant happen, the box stops you going from third to first so first raspberry in your face. :kiss:
They didnt say it went from 3rd to 1st. Red was talking about clicking twice when changing up. i.e. 3rd to 5th instead of 3rd to 4th.
Custard pie straight back at you :grin:
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especially when double clicking on the paddle and going straight to 3rd from 1st :embarassed:,
....I did that once - Not on The Pod but just going for fast overtake. I shan't make that mistake again! Even with plenty of torque it doesn't help you get there quickly.
We learn by our mistakes :afro:
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I believe your custard pie missed. :kiss:
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Nope just read it again :embarassed: you custaerd pie hit me straight in the face. :tongue:
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I like custard pies...yummy :smiley:
Not too keen on raspberry though :undecided:
Anyone like creme caramel :tongue:
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^^^ Nope, what you need is old school style butterscotch tart :drool: :laugh: