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Re: How fast (really) is a remapped ED30?
« Reply #70 on: 18 September 2008, 19:38 »
Just my 2 pence worth on the std Ed30/mapped gti subject
Went up against a standard ed30 in a revo'd gti. It was up a long hill and I got to 1.35
I was changing gear at about 5300rpm (anything after thats a waste of time)
I must have pulled away at least 4 car lengths from him.
Maybe because it was up a hill the extra torque on a mapped gti made more of a difference?

....Stage1 or Stage2 Revo?

What other mods?

Have you considered that at 135 mph (on your speedo I presume, and if so, you were doing considerably less) the Ed30 driver might have seen sense and backed off? (I'm also assuming it was in the UK)
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Re: How fast (really) is a remapped ED30?
« Reply #71 on: 18 September 2008, 19:41 »
I'm also assuming that changing at 5300rpm is a waste of time too.. You can add another 1000rpm to that before changing gear..

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Re: How fast (really) is a remapped ED30?
« Reply #72 on: 18 September 2008, 19:43 »
I'm also assuming that changing at 5300rpm is a waste of time too.. You can add another 1000rpm to that before changing gear..

Just out of interest.. when does the dsg change the gears?? (for you :drool:)

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Re: How fast (really) is a remapped ED30?
« Reply #73 on: 18 September 2008, 19:46 »
thats a rather long hill to get the car to 135mph??? if so only 4 car lenghts means its about the same in power which is what the whole Argument was about or about 3-5 hp or slightly higher torque of around 20 lb ft!!  :smiley:


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Re: How fast (really) is a remapped ED30?
« Reply #74 on: 18 September 2008, 19:50 »
I'm also assuming that changing at 5300rpm is a waste of time too.. You can add another 1000rpm to that before changing gear..

Just out of interest.. when does the dsg change the gears?? (for you :drool:)

....I was specifically playing with this yesterday when using S-mode which I hadn't done for thousands of miles but used to use very frequently when I first had the car. So, if you keep on the throttle she'll go to about 6,500 literally kissing the red in S-mode.
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Re: How fast (really) is a remapped ED30?
« Reply #75 on: 18 September 2008, 21:02 »
My car changes at around 7200rpm in S mode at full throttle.
Without traction power is nothing!

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Re: How fast (really) is a remapped ED30?
« Reply #76 on: 18 September 2008, 21:08 »
My car changes at around 7200rpm in S mode at full throttle.

Isn't that just in first and second gear it goes just over the redline? and then round 6500rpm in all others  :undecided:

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Re: How fast (really) is a remapped ED30?
« Reply #77 on: 18 September 2008, 22:05 »
I'm pretty sure it does so in third as well...
Without traction power is nothing!

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Re: How fast (really) is a remapped ED30?
« Reply #78 on: 18 September 2008, 22:16 »
I heard that the MK2 Leon Cupra with similar mods can give FQ340 Evos with a full decat a hard time in a straight line (not 1st gear), and will give Scooby STi's a scalding in the same type of scenario  :wink:

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Re: How fast (really) is a remapped ED30?
« Reply #79 on: 18 September 2008, 22:16 »
just wanted to add this. Posted By MaxQ.

**UPDATED TO INCLUDE ROLLING ROAD RESULTS**

Revo review on a standard DSG GTi.

So, I've had the remap for about a month now and have been meaning to post my thoughts about it on here. So here goes..

After a lot of research and asking questions on here I decided that I would go for the Revo stage 1 remap. So I called my local Revo dealer and got myself booked in for the remap. When I showed up with the car to have the remap done, the first thing the dealer did was to run a VAG-COM check on the car to see if it had any fault codes. Once he was happy that the car had no outstanding fault codes he went ahead and uploaded the Revo map. The uploading of the Revo map took about 15-20 mins. Once the map was on board he asked me questions about what sort of driving I do with the car and what type of fuel I intended to run it on. I had been running it on 99RON fuel anyway but he advised me to keep the car on a strict diet of 99RON to get the most out of the remap. He then set up my Revo settings for running 99RON fuel. The Revo settings he set me up with were Boost 6, Timing 5, Fuel 6. He said he was setting my fuel at 6 (even though Revo recommend 9) because he said in his experience the GTi fuel pump isn't up to the job and a setting of 6 gives better results. He said that you see the ECU pulling timing a lot with a fuel setting of 9 because the fuel pump just can't keep up. I asked about doing a rolling road run and he said there was no point doing one straight away because the car would need several cold starts and a good bit of driving to allow the ECU to adapt to get the most out of the remap, but he did say to come back in about a month if I wanted a run on the RR. So he sent me on my way.

So, my thoughts, - well you notice the difference straight away. There was a huge increase in torque and power. I had a good stretch on the motorway on my way home and the pull in 5th and 6th gear was just incredible. I chickened out way before the car stopped pulling. The other thing that you notice is the turbo noise. On the standard map you had to listen really carefully to hear the turbo, but now there is no mistaking it - you can really hear the compressor working hard. The car still drives almost as standard when just pottering about and the DSG copes admirably with the extra power and torque. The gear changes are still as smooth as ever in both tiptronic and in D. The biggest thing you'll notice though is the extra torque. I regularly see the traction control light flashing in 3rd gear when you give it some beans and it's a bit wet. There is just so much more power and torque that it really does feel like a totally different car. The difference is just phenomenal. It has turned a quick car into a rocket ship!

I decided to buy the additional (but not required) Revo Select Plus switch, which allows you to change the settings for boost, timing and fuel as well as switch to different performance/fuel programs and back to stock when required for dealer visits etc. Out of curiosity I turned the car back to stock settings last week with the switch to try it out and the car just felt so slow. I had to stop at the next junction and get the switch out to put it back on the Revo settings! It's funny how you just get used to all the extra power and torque and when it's not there you really notice it.

There have been no negatives so far for me. My MPG is pretty much the same and so far I've had no problems with DV's or anything else. It's still early days, but I think the components will hold up just fine.

The next step would be to go for Revo Stage 2 which requires a new downpipe and sports cat, but for the moment anyway Revo stage 1 is more than enough for me.

As for results, I don't have any rolling road figures yet, but the Revo dealer reckoned it would be putting out about 250bhp with Revo Stage 1, and my gut feeling is that 250bhp feels about right for what the car is driving like now. Revo claim their stage 1 software puts out 255bhp and 285 ft-lbs of torque. Next on the agenda is to get the car booked in for a run on the RR to get the real figures.

So if you're thinking about remapping your car - go for it. You won't regret it. It's well worth the money and I'm so glad I did it.
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Here is the graph of results from my recent run on a dyno. Max BHP came out at 231, and max torque of 265 ft-lbs (360 Nm). The car is standard apart from the remap.

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This GTi on dyno dynamics again gave 230hp. with revo stage 1. Near on exact to a standard ED30.

Goes to proove that some Remapping specialists saying 250bhp, just isnt true on a standard GTi.
« Last Edit: 18 September 2008, 22:18 by Phil Mcavity »