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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: SKAVIA on 16 March 2008, 11:28

Title: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: SKAVIA on 16 March 2008, 11:28
Never realised DSG made such a difference!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gmMNRQ1GJ3o&feature=related
 :drool:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Phil mcavity on 16 March 2008, 11:30
never mess with a dsg! :wink:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Kermit on 16 March 2008, 11:31
Phew... Thought we had anothe DSG V Manual discussion about to kick off.  DSG all the way baby !!!
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 16 March 2008, 12:29
Surprised how the Astra Sri wasn't too far behind the DSG and looked quicker than the GTI.
That's worrying!
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Phil mcavity on 16 March 2008, 12:38
thats not a uk astra sri im sure of it, the only one that has simular performance is the one that cant handle round corners, forgot what its called............... oh yeah  "the chaos theory" vxr astra  :sick: designed not for the family in mind with lack of doors option.
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: RedRobin on 16 March 2008, 12:40
....That Japanese vid is a classic and is still good seeing it yet again! :cool: Very funny! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: - Five Star Laughs!
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 16 March 2008, 12:46
thats not a uk astra sri im sure of it, the only one that has simular performance is the one that cant handle round corners, forgot what its called............... oh yeah vxr thingy

Well they did say it's 200bhp so it's the same power as an sri.

And the vxr goes round corners just fine, just hold on to the steering wheel and you'll be fine. And in terms of performance, the vxr is quicker than the GTI manual, DSG and the R32  :wink:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: JonnyG on 16 March 2008, 12:51
And the vxr goes round corners just fine

and anyone can try for themselves on Vauxhall's VXR Track Day  :grin: :grin:

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vx/microsite/vxrtrackday/vxr_trackday.html

A great half day for only £95 ...

All I will add is that I was glad to get back in my GTi after last years  :laugh: :laugh: :evil: :drool:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 16 March 2008, 12:55
And the vxr goes round corners just fine

and anyone can try for themselves on Vauxhall's VXR Track Day  :grin: :grin:

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vx/microsite/vxrtrackday/vxr_trackday.html

A great half day for only £95 ...

All I will add is that I was glad to get back in my GTi after last years  :laugh: :laugh: :evil: :drool:

Well, the vxr does hold the record for it's class around the Ring and is the quickest hatch around the Top Gear track, so it can't be too bad!

Anyway, I hope your right in being glad to get back in the GTI since I'm awaiting delivery of one  :wink:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: JonnyG on 16 March 2008, 13:10
and is the quickest hatch around the Top Gear track, so it can't be too bad!

and can you quote me what Jeremy Clarkson thought of it on Top Gear  :laugh: :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xDZonrA2Dw

To be honest I quite like the VXR's,  just like the GTi better  :smug:

PS Well done on your choice ... you'll love the GTI ... no straightjacket needed for the GTi !!
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 16 March 2008, 13:43
People really shouldn't take as red everything that Clarkson says, he is a prat.
Without going on about it as it really doesn't matter, the Astra given to TopGear was
a pre- production VXR which had the old SRI chassis. Vauxhall have since lived to
regret ever giving this to Clarkson to review because it wasn't close to the actual model
eventually produced.
Any figures given out for the VXR or lap times prove that it is a very very capable car.
I've had mine for two years and some of the rubbish people come out with, usually second
hand, is so annoying. It really is an amazingly quick car in all situations.

But still, I've chopped it in for a Monza Black GTI on 18"s, and I can't wait!  :smiley:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Phil mcavity on 16 March 2008, 13:58

But still, I've chopped it in for a Monza Black GTI on 18"s, and I can't wait!  :smiley:

See all good things come to an end :wink:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Vtec Abuser on 16 March 2008, 14:26
thats not a uk astra sri im sure of it, the only one that has simular performance is the one that cant handle round corners, forgot what its called............... oh yeah vxr thingy



And the vxr goes round corners just fine, just hold on to the steering wheel and you'll be fine. And in terms of performance, the vxr is quicker than the GTI manual, DSG and the R32  :wink:
What about the ED30 though...?  :wink: :wink: :wink: Think the DisAstra will have it's work cut out there.. And yes I am a fan of the VXR, nearly went for one. Just not a fan of the interior..  :sick:
As for Top Gear track. I think you'll find the R32 was a good 2.5  -  3 secs faster than the VXR. Pre-production model or not..
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: TeddyKGB on 16 March 2008, 14:28
SRi chassis? Hmm.. at the end of the day it's an Astra I'm sure it's the same chassis :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 16 March 2008, 14:32
Actually, I think your find the R32 and it's 4wd was 0.5s quicker.
1.32.5 compared to 1.33.0

Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 16 March 2008, 14:37
Actually, Im going to give up at this point.
I'll keep everyone happy by just saying that the VXR along with the Meg, ST, Leon etc etc is absolutely crap compared to the Golf GTI.

I guess I was a bit naive to think people on this forum, even though performance wise all the above cars are quicker than a GTI, would be any different to any other forum.

I love VW, I can't wait to get my GTI and the VXR is rubbish  :wink:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Vtec Abuser on 16 March 2008, 14:47
Actually, Im going to give up at this point.
I'll keep everyone happy by just saying that the VXR along with the Meg, ST, Leon etc etc is absolutely crap compared to the Golf GTI.

I guess I was a bit naive to think people on this forum, even though performance wise all the above cars are quicker than a GTI, would be any different to any other forum.

I love VW, I can't wait to get my GTI and the VXR is rubbish  :wink:
:huh: :huh: :huh:
Was merely stating the correct facts mate, The R32 ran a 130.4  See here mate...  http://youtube.com/watch?v=xjtTuBTJYSc
The GTI is slower than the cars mentioned, I agree, as will most of the other chaps on here. Nobody has said different. I was just saying that the Ed30 is a better comparison with the VXR.. Chill!  :wink:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Hurdy on 16 March 2008, 14:56
Actually, Im going to give up at this point.
I'll keep everyone happy by just saying that the VXR along with the Meg, ST, Leon etc etc is absolutely crap compared to the Golf GTI.

I guess I was a bit naive to think people on this forum, even though performance wise all the above cars are quicker than a GTI, would be any different to any other forum.

I love VW, I can't wait to get my GTI and the VXR is rubbish  :wink:

Finally you have become one with the collective :rolleyes: :evil:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 16 March 2008, 15:03
Actually, Im going to give up at this point.
I'll keep everyone happy by just saying that the VXR along with the Meg, ST, Leon etc etc is absolutely crap compared to the Golf GTI.

I guess I was a bit naive to think people on this forum, even though performance wise all the above cars are quicker than a GTI, would be any different to any other forum.

I love VW, I can't wait to get my GTI and the VXR is rubbish  :wink:

Finally you have become one with the collective :rolleyes: :evil:



 :grin: :grin: :wink:

Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: R32UK on 16 March 2008, 15:17
Actually, I think your find the R32 and it's 4wd was 0.5s quicker.
1.32.5 compared to 1.33.0



That was the old R32! The new one was about 3.5secs quicker than the old one.

VXR eat my dust!! :evil:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 16 March 2008, 15:25
Actually, I think your find the R32 and it's 4wd was 0.5s quicker.
1.32.5 compared to 1.33.0



That was the old R32! The new one was about 3.5secs quicker than the old one.

VXR eat my dust!! :evil:



Yep that's true.
But since my vxr was £8k cheaper new than an R32 and does 31mpg over 27k miles, I wouldn't swap  :tongue:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: R32UK on 16 March 2008, 15:30
Actually, I think your find the R32 and it's 4wd was 0.5s quicker.
1.32.5 compared to 1.33.0



That was the old R32! The new one was about 3.5secs quicker than the old one.

VXR eat my dust!! :evil:



Yep that's true.
But since my vxr was £8k cheaper new than an R32 and does 31mpg over 27k miles, I wouldn't swap  :tongue:

If money was the most important thing... we wouldnt have cars at all. :undecided:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: 2007GTI on 16 March 2008, 18:32
cheers for the post, but that was posted 18 months ago - newbies eh!
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: SKAVIA on 16 March 2008, 18:45
cheers for the post, but that was posted 18 months ago - newbies eh!

:tongue:
Anyway, the threads been hijacked so should now be titled VXR v GTI!
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: telboy on 16 March 2008, 20:47
thats not a uk astra sri im sure of it, the only one that has simular performance is the one that cant handle round corners, forgot what its called............... oh yeah vxr thingy

Well they did say it's 200bhp so it's the same power as an sri.

And the vxr goes round corners just fine, just hold on to the steering wheel and you'll be fine. And in terms of performance, the vxr is quicker than the GTI manual, DSG and the R32  :wink:
Not that much quicker and one you forgot to include, the ed30, and yes many a spin with a vxr and no worries at all, please also bear in mind the vxr was designed mainly for track whereas the golf was designed to be an all rounder!
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 16 March 2008, 20:57
thats not a uk astra sri im sure of it, the only one that has simular performance is the one that cant handle round corners, forgot what its called............... oh yeah vxr thingy

Well they did say it's 200bhp so it's the same power as an sri.

And the vxr goes round corners just fine, just hold on to the steering wheel and you'll be fine. And in terms of performance, the vxr is quicker than the GTI manual, DSG and the R32  :wink:


Not that much quicker and one you forgot to include, the ed30, and yes many a spin with a vxr and no worries at all, please also bear in mind the vxr was designed mainly for track whereas the golf was designed to be an all rounder!


Don't think the vxr was ever designed with the track in mind  :shocked:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: telboy on 16 March 2008, 21:01
thats not a uk astra sri im sure of it, the only one that has simular performance is the one that cant handle round corners, forgot what its called............... oh yeah vxr thingy

Well they did say it's 200bhp so it's the same power as an sri.

And the vxr goes round corners just fine, just hold on to the steering wheel and you'll be fine. And in terms of performance, the vxr is quicker than the GTI manual, DSG and the R32  :wink:

The VXR badge is meant to lean more toward track/touring car useage rather than road although would agree partially that's not always the case!!! :rolleyes:


Not that much quicker and one you forgot to include, the ed30, and yes many a spin with a vxr and no worries at all, please also bear in mind the vxr was designed mainly for track whereas the golf was designed to be an all rounder!


Don't think the vxr was ever designed with the track in mind  :shocked:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: stevieC on 16 March 2008, 21:07
If you batter a vxr and gti along the same stretch of back road the gti will always come out top all down to a better chassis.
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: telboy on 16 March 2008, 22:13
thats not a uk astra sri im sure of it, the only one that has simular performance is the one that cant handle round corners, forgot what its called............... oh yeah vxr thingy

Well they did say it's 200bhp so it's the same power as an sri.

And the vxr goes round corners just fine, just hold on to the steering wheel and you'll be fine. And in terms of performance, the vxr is quicker than the GTI manual, DSG and the R32  :wink:

The VXR badge is meant to lean more toward track/touring car useage rather than road although would agree partially that's not always the case!!! :rolleyes:


Not that much quicker and one you forgot to include, the ed30, and yes many a spin with a vxr and no worries at all, please also bear in mind the vxr was designed mainly for track whereas the golf was designed to be an all rounder!


Don't think the vxr was ever designed with the track in mind  :shocked:
VXR I thought were designed more for track than road, would have to agree with SteveC re blasting both GTI and VXR along same back roads, the GTI's superior chassis will shine through :grin:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: RedRobin on 16 March 2008, 22:59
....GTI vs VXR ? - Methinks it depends so much on the drivers. When I used to race bicycles, my custom made bike was capable of winning the Tour De France....But I wasn't!! :laugh:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Peskarik on 17 March 2008, 07:15
thats not a uk astra sri im sure of it, the only one that has simular performance is the one that cant handle round corners, forgot what its called............... oh yeah  "the chaos theory" vxr astra  :sick: designed not for the family in mind with lack of doors option.

VXR handles just fine.
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 17 March 2008, 08:23
If you batter a vxr and gti along the same stretch of back road the gti will always come out top all down to a better chassis.

Yeh, the vxr is quicker around the TopGear track, much quicker around the Ring, but show it a stretch of back road and the GTI will murder it  :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: R32UK on 17 March 2008, 12:52
VXR is not a track focused car!! Dont be fooled by the advertising! It understeers like a girl... Great for sales reps blasting up and down the country, they can chuck all their crap inthe back and not have to worry about rattles as the whole thing rattles anyway.

Enough said :cool:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 17 March 2008, 17:16
Talking of rattles..............

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=26164.0

 :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :tongue:

Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: R32UK on 17 March 2008, 17:28
You will find a few golfs with rattles. Thankfully mine isnt one of them. I went to go see a VXR and it has the rattle option pre-ticked on  the options booklet. They are so confident about the poor quality of their interior... they give you a free rattle if it doesnt! :grin:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 17 March 2008, 17:35
You'll find a few rattles in some vxr's. Thankfully mine isn't one of them either.

I went to see a R32, but was soooo disappointed that a 3.2ltr V6 with 4wd costing £8k more, was marginally
quicker than a 2ltr fwd Astra!!!

If I would have bought one, I would have had to spend half my time justifying why I did on car forums!
Sod that  :grin: :grin: :wink: :evil:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: R32UK on 17 March 2008, 17:57
You'll find a few rattles in some vxr's. Thankfully mine isn't one of them either.

I went to see a R32, but was soooo disappointed that a 3.2ltr V6 with 4wd costing £8k more, was marginally
quicker than a 2ltr fwd Astra!!!

If I would have bought one, I would have had to spend half my time justifying why I did on car forums!
Sod that  :grin: :grin: :wink: :evil:

3 sec round a small track is hardly marginally quicker. The only way an astra would keep up with an R32 is on a dead straight. In the wet if i was to look back for the astra I probably wouldnt be able to see it... Thats why I paid 8k more, and worth every penny :smug:

Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 17 March 2008, 18:05


3 sec round a small track is hardly marginally quicker. The only way an astra would keep up with an R32 is on a dead straight. In the wet if i was to look back for the astra I probably wouldnt be able to see it... Thats why I paid 8k more, and worth every penny :smug:




That's because it's in front of you, just left you at the lights  :grin:

1 - 0 to the Puzzler  :grin: :grin: :wink:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: R32UK on 17 March 2008, 18:13


3 sec round a small track is hardly marginally quicker. The only way an astra would keep up with an R32 is on a dead straight. In the wet if i was to look back for the astra I probably wouldnt be able to see it... Thats why I paid 8k more, and worth every penny :smug:




That's because it's in front of you, just left you at the lights  :grin:

1 - 0 to the Puzzler  :grin: :grin: :wink:

Haha!! Get a grip dude.. your comparing a R32 to a astra!! there is only one winner.. :rolleyes:

3-1 to the R32!! Its a hat-trick!! Full time!
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: Puzzler on 17 March 2008, 18:19
Call it a draw then  :wink:

No good cheating and adding extra points.
You don't want points deducted again before you've even kicked a ball, surely  :grin:
Title: Re: DSG v 6 Speed Manual
Post by: R32UK on 17 March 2008, 18:28
Call it a draw then  :wink:

No good cheating and adding extra points.
You don't want points deducted again before you've even kicked a ball, surely  :grin:
Draw it is!!

Even if I was only using reverse gear :grin: :grin: