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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: cohiba on 21 November 2007, 18:28
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Not sure what to buy,r32 with dsg £25927. Edition 30 with dsg+bi-xenon+multifunction wheel £24797.So you are paying £1130 ex for 4 wheel drive + 3.2 engine + ex trim, makes the edition 30 sh t price.
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DON'T START ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE GTI vs R32 THREADS!
JUST GO AND TEST DRIVE BOTH!
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The only way a edition 30 would beat a r32 is on a dry sunny day, driving in a straight line with a fat bird straped to the bonnet. :evil:
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Oh dear!! you didnt start a thread about the R32 vs ED30 again!! :evil:
BUY THE R32! You know it makes sense :grin:
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r32 cost more in all ways, insurance, tax, petrol
it dosnt look as good imo
less residuals (i would guess) (spelling)
and come on, how many street races you gonna get into to just the cost of running the r32 over the e30.?
i can see sides for both mind, however the only real side i se for the r32 is 4wd... which is mainly FWD from what iv seen on here?
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r32 cost more in all ways, insurance, tax, petrol
it dosnt look as good imo
less residuals (i would guess) (spelling)
and come on, how many street races you gonna get into to just the cost of running the r32 over the e30.?
i can see sides for both mind, however the only real side i se for the r32 is 4wd... which is mainly FWD from what iv seen on here?
Or as I like to think of it... Only 4WD when you need it to be! Keeps the fun factor for as long as possible without compromising speed.
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I agree - R32 is the nuts
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DON'T START ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE GTI vs R32 THREADS!
JUST GO AND TEST DRIVE BOTH!
EXACTLY what I thought when seeing this thread.... even then I got drawn to it like a fly to sh1t :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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I agree - R32 is the nuts
Ditto... and I own an Ed30.... :rolleyes: so go and buy yourself and nice R32, post pics of it when it arrives, but please no more R32 vs Ed30 threads... theres enough to fill a book already on this forum. Hurdy, can;t you make one of the previous threads a sticky seeing as this topic keeps coming up like a sore rash. :undecided:
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What's the matter illyun - you feelin a li'l insecure? :lipsrsealed:
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i gotta say these debates are interesting because perceptions change
i've got an r32 and yes it's quick and the running costs are similar to the cost of a heroin habit without the burglary but it does feel good every time i drive it although i am considering getting shot of it at some stage
i would say the ed30 looks better than the gti except for those seats which look bizarre as does the gear knob, i know it's 30th anniversary etc but to me it looks wrong and i would probably have bought it if it didn't have those things as it is better on fuel consumption, road tax and insurance and these things could mean the difference between being skint and really skint :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:
i would say don't test drive both because you'll want the r32 as the power is incredible but i would consider your financial situation and work according to what you can afford or which one you like the look of
for me the r32 looks good, the main issues seems to be with the grill but i think it looks okay and is similar to the jetta but not exactly, i like the exhausts and all passengers who have been in it are complimentary
i have it in black which is cool but i also think grey looks excellent, i've seen one in my area and it looks very slick :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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also dsg, not sure about it
i got it because everyone goes on about it but i would imagine the manual is pretty good too and makes the car cheaper
bi-xenons yes because the least they do is blind people when you turn the car on which has got to be a good thing plus when in the dark they help considerably................. :cool: :cool: :cool:
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Which ever one you fancy after the test drive BUY IT!
No one on here will change your mind, but by putting the ED30 first in the title, you have subconsciously already made your mind up :wink:
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OK, let me make up your mind for you.
Buy R32, it's a bit Pavarotti - bulky but with a mighty voice.
Moreover it has respectable dynamics (you said it yourself, it'll kill E30 everywhere but the straight dry line).
Then sell something, get in contact with BB Automobiltechnik and do a middle-of-the-range conversion, costs only 19950 Euro.
Then you have 0-100kmh in 4.6, 0-200kmh in 14.6, and max 300.
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Cant stand these threads..... Try running a search.
Buy what you want cos many people have their own opinions and normally dont budge.
Good luck
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oooooh its hard to resist isnt it!!
I would actually say buy the ED30. This ensures that mine stays that little bit more exclusive, holds its value a little better, and overall ensures that i feel a little less guilty about the damage to the environment. Not to mention the fact that you just will not be able to handle the power. It is also quite expensive to run, insure and tax, which you probably cant afford either. The thick carpets you get are not to everyones tastes, as is the blue heat reflective which is no good to anyone with the winters we have. The 18" lightweight alloys not good for much apart from going round corners at high speed. Which brings me onto the Haldex controlled 4WD... only really useful for wet weather and snow... so useless in essence. Then there is the white dials and xenons.. why would you need such clear instrument dials or super bright headlights?? Also there is the interior which is quite similar to the ED30, only you have to have a special trim shared with only that other useless supercar the Veyron. Apart from that its probably not worth bothering with.. unless your going deaf like many of the older Gti owners on here.. then the V6 engine is nothing short of a noisy irritation when trying to listen to Radio 2.
So there we have it! There is no need to compare it against the ED30. Its a looser all on its own :cool:
p.s. the aluminium pedals are no good for driving with your slippers on either :nerd: But i bought one anyway :evil:
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hey r32
same car!!! except mine's got tinted windows at back, not my choice but it looks okay
what is ur mpg by the way?!!! does the mpg counter when car is moving flicker quite drastically (ie 80mpg, back down to 20mpg)?
let me know :cry: :cry: :cry:
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hahaha thats funny!!! :grin: :grin: :grin:
id go with a white ed30 with black monzas and bluefin :drool:
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£400 tax on the R next year to.
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i would say don't test drive both because you'll want the r32 as the power is incredible but i would consider your financial situation and work according to what you can afford or which one you like the look of
That's bollox.
I currently have a (modified) Mk 4 R32 and wanted a Mk 5 R32. The dealer suggested an Ed30 as well but I dismissed it straight away thinking it would be too much of a step down from what I've got. I looked into getting an R32 -decided on the spec, got quotes on price, insurance etc. and had made my mind up. I booked a test drive for a few days later and in the meantime just did a bit of research on the Ed30 and found that really there isn't THAT much of a difference in performance between the two.
So I asked the dealer if I could take an Ed30 out at the same time as the R32. The day came and I test drove both. I came away with my heart set on an Ed30 and I went back a few days later and placed an order for one.
Now this has come from someone who loves their current R32, and had decided on a new one. But I gave the Ed30 a chance and TBH it blew me away. It actually felt quicker than the R32 (quicker for the type of driving I do, although the R32 felt as if it had more all-round grunt) and the only thing the R32 has going for it is the 4WD and rumble of the V6. The Ed30 is the better all-rounder IMO but you NEED to test drive both to appreciate both. I never thought I would like the Ed30 but it surprised me. I thought the the R32 would be a natural progression from what I have but I was wrong.
Add to that the fact the the Ed30 looks better, is more exclusive, can be tuned easier and be quicker than an R32 (and also has better power-weight ratio), will be cheaper to run/insure/tax etc. it's a no-brainer for me really.
If you put into consideration the amount of cameras and traffic on our roads anyway you won't actually be able to use the attraction of the R32 to it's full potential and get that extra 3mph/0.3 secs upto 60mph and 20bhp anyway.
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tbh i half agree if u read what i said
i just don't like the seats or gear knob
by the way, not being sexist but what type of driving do you do?
....tumble weed......
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i would say don't test drive both because you'll want the r32 as the power is incredible but i would consider your financial situation and work according to what you can afford or which one you like the look of
Add to that the fact the the Ed30 looks better, is more exclusive, can be tuned easier and be quicker than an R32 (and also has better power-weight ratio), will be cheaper to run/insure/tax etc. it's a no-brainer for me really.
1. ED30 does not look better than the R32!
2. R32 is more exclusive (If anything, judging by this forum at least, there are more ED30 owners than GTI owners. No one buys a GTI anymore - they go straight for the ED30)
3. R32 has 4WD and ED30 doesnt so R32 has better power management
4. R32 has a better soundtrack
5. If you cant afford the up keep of an R32 then you should live within your means and get something else!
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i would say don't test drive both because you'll want the r32 as the power is incredible but i would consider your financial situation and work according to what you can afford or which one you like the look of
Add to that the fact the the Ed30 looks better, is more exclusive, can be tuned easier and be quicker than an R32 (and also has better power-weight ratio), will be cheaper to run/insure/tax etc. it's a no-brainer for me really.
No one buys a GTI anymore - they go straight for the ED30
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Seems to be the case. However, some of us can't afford the new/used ED30, and like myself buys a used GTI purely since it's a fantastic car for the weekend and everyday use, and doesn't fall much behind the ED30 in real life.
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hey r32
same car!!! except mine's got tinted windows at back, not my choice but it looks okay
what is ur mpg by the way?!!! does the mpg counter when car is moving flicker quite drastically (ie 80mpg, back down to 20mpg)?
let me know :cry: :cry: :cry:
The trip computer flickers because you probably have it on the instant mpg setting.. try clicking the button on the end of the right stork whilst driving and it should show you an average of your current journey.
As for my mpg it currently somewhere inbetween 18mpg (for short trips) and occasionally 24mpg on cool and calm long drives. It rarely takes long to bring it down thought.. a little strech of open road and im off!!
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i swear i'm getting less than 18mpg
i must be driving like a tw!t
couldn't find the button you were talking about though
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I currently have a (modified) Mk 4 R32 and wanted a Mk 5 R32. The dealer suggested an Ed30 as well but I dismissed it straight away thinking it would be too much of a step down from what I've got. I looked into getting an R32 -decided on the spec, got quotes on price, insurance etc. and had made my mind up. I booked a test drive for a few days later and in the meantime just did a bit of research on the Ed30 and found that really there isn't THAT much of a difference in performance between the two.
So I asked the dealer if I could take an Ed30 out at the same time as the R32. The day came and I test drove both. I came away with my heart set on an Ed30 and I went back a few days later and placed an order for one.
Now this has come from someone who loves their current R32, and had decided on a new one. But I gave the Ed30 a chance and TBH it blew me away. It actually felt quicker than the R32 (quicker for the type of driving I do, although the R32 felt as if it had more all-round grunt) and the only thing the R32 has going for it is the 4WD and rumble of the V6. The Ed30 is the better all-rounder IMO but you NEED to test drive both to appreciate both. I never thought I would like the Ed30 but it surprised me. I thought the the R32 would be a natural progression from what I have but I was wrong.
Add to that the fact the the Ed30 looks better, is more exclusive, can be tuned easier and be quicker than an R32 (and also has better power-weight ratio), will be cheaper to run/insure/tax etc. it's a no-brainer for me really.
If you put into consideration the amount of cameras and traffic on our roads anyway you won't actually be able to use the attraction of the R32 to it's full potential and get that extra 3mph/0.3 secs upto 60mph and 20bhp anyway.
....I couldn't agree more!
I've borrowed a Mk5 R32 and driven it back-to-back with my GTI on exactly the same road route. I cannot say that one is 'better' than the other but only that they feel different to drive. I absolutely loved (and still love!) the V6 sound and the grunt but the GTI feels more nimble and doesn't conceal its speed from you so much! I found myself gunning the .:R just to hear that V6 and it drank petrol.
My modded GTI is certainly as fast as a standard Ed30 (probably faster) and I'd have definitely bought an Ed30 if it had been available when I was buying.
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i would say don't test drive both because you'll want the r32 as the power is incredible but i would consider your financial situation and work according to what you can afford or which one you like the look of
Add to that the fact the the Ed30 looks better, is more exclusive, can be tuned easier and be quicker than an R32 (and also has better power-weight ratio), will be cheaper to run/insure/tax etc. it's a no-brainer for me really.
1. ED30 does not look better than the R32!
2. R32 is more exclusive (If anything, judging by this forum at least, there are more ED30 owners than GTI owners. No one buys a GTI anymore - they go straight for the ED30)
3. R32 has 4WD and ED30 doesnt so R32 has better power management
4. R32 has a better soundtrack
5. If you cant afford the up keep of an R32 then you should live within your means and get something else!
why not also put it in font 25 and in caps? :rolleyes:
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3. R32 has 4WD and ED30 doesnt so R32 has better power management
Anyone confirm that the R32 uses the same 4motion that most VW's use which is thats its FWD only until it needs to the 4WD?
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3. R32 has 4WD and ED30 doesnt so R32 has better power management
Anyone confirm that the R32 uses the same 4motion that most VW's use which is thats its FWD only until it needs to the 4WD?
Correctamundo :nerd:
So really it is only part time 4WD :wink:
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I got to agree with the consealing of the speed.. I like to play the 3sec game where you floor it and then guess how fast your going, and you nearly always guess below your current speed. It does hide it very well!!
For some people the R32 is never going to be the right choice. For me, like Hurdy drive to work along coutry roads, A + B roads and no speed cameras or police (except sunday evenings). So for my journeys the car is perfect. So i think you need to look at factors such as how much and where you will be driving it... and go from there. But there is obviously no substitute for taking them both for a drive!
Just be warned if you rule out the R32 before your test drive... dont take it on the test drive :shocked:
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3. R32 has 4WD and ED30 doesnt so R32 has better power management
Anyone confirm that the R32 uses the same 4motion that most VW's use which is thats its FWD only until it needs to the 4WD?
easiest answer - find on youtube a test of R32 by the Stig :smug: and you can see for yourself how much wheelspin you get from front wheels, until the system directs that torque to the rear wheels...
here it is, btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtTuBTJYSc
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i agree the speed is concealed but you know you're going fast
you're just not sure how fast
i did test drive ed30 and gti briefly but the timing between putting your foot on the pedal and getting the speed is markedly different
however as a day to day prospect the r32 is pretty impractical but it makes a nice noise and it's brutal when you want to drive fast but around town or in traffic it's no better than gti or ed30
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I found myself gunning the .:R just to hear that V6 and it drank petrol.
Thats exactly what I did - hence the trips to the petrol station every day :embarassed: If it was 10 years ago with cheap petrol prices and low tax I wouldn't think twice and would have bought the R32.. but then again, the Ed30 is a special edition - never mind that the quota looks more like 15000 rather than 1500 cars - and for me, that was the trump card.
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Only in it for the snob value then not the better car?
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i did test drive ed30 and gti briefly but the timing between putting your foot on the pedal and getting the speed is markedly different
....Not if you mod the GTI with such goodies as any of these: Milltek xzorst, or intake, or turbo hi-flow pipes - They all noticeably improve throttle response. With all those particular mods, my throttle response feels instant :smiley:.
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Only in it for the snob value then not the better car?
Well almost - the fuel saving is substantial over a year :wink:
Oh sorry, I forget the not inconsiderable fact that you can add another 70+bhp for around £500 with a simple remap... the R32 can't do that so you R32's out there can :kiss: my Ed30's rear hatch goodbye as you see it accelerating into the distance :grin: :grin: :grin:
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I'm suprised at how long the torque transfer took on that video. I doubt that a front wheel drive GTI would spin its wheels up much more than that.
Did you also notice how many times the Stig ran wide and went off track? You can clearly see that there's an awful lot of mass at work and it takes grim determination to control it.
Very intresting video, good link Peskarik.
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I'm suprised at how long the torque transfer took on that video. I doubt that a front wheel drive GTI would spin its wheels up much more than that.
Did you also notice how many times the Stig ran wide and went off track? You can clearly see that there's an awful lot of mass at work and it takes grim determination to control it.
Very intresting video, good link Peskarik.
The time of the R32 was V good :cool: (great link).........3 seconds faster than the GTI...........But..............
the ED30 has a better power/weight ratio than the GTI :wink:
Very nice sound track to the R32, but after coming from a Gt Tdi it seems that I am at the petrol station every week. :laugh: with the Ed30. Goodness knows how often I would be there in a R32.
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Would love to see the edition 30 go round the top gear track :evil:
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Took on board everthing that has been said, went for a test drive in a R32,rain bouncing down. R32 stuck to the road like glue,engine sounded great,dsg great, very fast car but there was something missing, the steering was a bit lifeless. I did not like the delay of the rear wheels when the fronts start to spin,went back a bit disapointed. Sat down had a cup of coffee then went out in a E30.All i can say it has got the X factor, the feed back threw the wheel gave me great confidence in the rain. I knew were the car was and what it was doing all the time,The dsg seemed better sutted to the 2 litre turbo than the R 32 engine. The R32 is like long relationships, safe and secure but lacks a bit of excitement. The E30 is like a new girlfriend the exitement is great she keeps you on your toes and you allways go back for moor. Went back to the showroom and put an order in for the first of march. SPEC E30 + cruise cntrol + armrest + bi-xenon + highline + RCD 500 + DSG. WHAT A DAY :grin: :smiley:
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Would love to see the edition 30 go round the top gear track :evil:
I remeber however watching the ed30 up against the ST on 5th Gear or driven i think it was.. and the ED30 only just beat the ST. From what I can remember the track was a little more challenging than the flat top gear track.
Great Vid tho!! Love seeing the R32 peee all over the BMW 130M Sport.
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Would love to see the edition 30 go round the top gear track :evil:
I remeber however watching the ed30 up against the ST on 5th Gear or driven i think it was.. and the ED30 only just beat the ST. From what I can remember the track was a little more challenging than the flat top gear track.
Great Vid tho!! Love seeing the R32 peee all over the BMW 130M Sport.
we know you are a fan of R32. You big bad R32 eats E30 for breakfast. Can't you just relax now? :rolleyes:
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Took on board everthing that has been said, went for a test drive in a R32,rain bouncing down. R32 stuck to the road like glue,engine sounded great,dsg great, very fast car but there was something missing, the steering was a bit lifeless. I did not like the delay of the rear wheels when the fronts start to spin,went back a bit disapointed. Sat down had a cup of coffee then went out in a E30.All i can say it has got the X factor, the feed back threw the wheel gave me great confidence in the rain. I knew were the car was and what it was doing all the time,The dsg seemed better sutted to the 2 litre turbo than the R 32 engine. The R32 is like long relationships, safe and secure but lacks a bit of excitement. The E30 is like a new girlfriend the exitement is great she keeps you on your toes and you allways go back for moor. Went back to the showroom and put an order in for the first of march. SPEC E30 + cruise cntrol + armrest + bi-xenon + highline + RCD 500 + DSG. WHAT A DAY :grin: :smiley:
Like the comparisons....of both cars and women :wink:
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Both cars are great, if you can afford the price tag and running costs the R32 is the more special of the two and faster from A to B.
I don't visit this forum very often so as a casual observer I may have this wrong but… It seems that whenever the 3 forsaken letters are mumbled (R, 3 and 2), it’s met with an army of GTI owners trying to justify their purchase decision. The GTI isn’t an inferior product, it’s just has different priorities and is aimed at a slightly different market.
Cheers
Dave
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Both cars are great, if you can afford the price tag and running costs the R32 is the more special of the two and faster from A to B.
I don't visit this forum very often so as a casual observer I may have this wrong but… It seems that whenever the 3 forsaken letters are mumbled (R, 3 and 2), it’s met with an army of GTI owners trying to justify their purchase decision. The GTI isn’t an inferior product, it’s just has different priorities and is aimed at a slightly different market.
Cheers
Dave
I would agree with that!!
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Both cars are great, if you can afford the price tag and running costs the R32 is the more special of the two and faster from A to B.
I don't visit this forum very often so as a casual observer I may have this wrong but… It seems that whenever the 3 forsaken letters are mumbled (R, 3 and 2), it’s met with an army of GTI owners trying to justify their purchase decision. The GTI isn’t an inferior product, it’s just has different priorities and is aimed at a slightly different market.
Cheers
Dave
I would agree with that!!
So, if I say the GTI and ED30 are leagues better in the handling, feel and speed departments over an R32, that makes it so does it :rolleyes:... no, I didn't think so!
I think it is just as fair to say that R32 owners jump in to justify how spending extra means that it is better car too. We all do it for our own reasons, some monetary, some for looks, some for sound, some for agility etc, but we all defend our main reason for buying it.....that we chose it! :cool:
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We all defend our main reason for buying it.....that's why we chose it!
But that's my point, why be so defensive?
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hmm...in need for speed pro street the 0 - 60 time for the GTI is faster than the R32 :grin:
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http://www.youtube.com/v/kKxCT1UK_sE&rel=1
enjoy!
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enjoy!
confused.... :huh:
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Only in it for the snob value then not the better car?
Well almost - the fuel saving is substantial over a year :wink:
Oh sorry, I forget the not inconsiderable fact that you can add another 70+bhp for around £500 with a simple remap... the R32 can't do that so you R32's out there can :kiss: my Ed30's rear hatch goodbye as you see it accelerating into the distance :grin: :grin: :grin:
I take all my words back... that R32 looks and sounds awesome and is quick to boot too... :shocked: So tempted to get another. :tongue:
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We all defend our main reason for buying it.....that's why we chose it!
But that's my point, why be so defensive?
I'm not. I have owned 4 Mk5's - a standard manual GTI, a DSG R32, a manual Ed30 and now a DSG Ed30 and out of them all the R32 felt really special... its that V6 magic :lipsrsealed:
But I also sure that when I've spent a bit of money remapping the Ed30 and doing some other bits and pieces to it, it will be a bit of a monster :evil: :evil: :evil:
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We all defend our main reason for buying it.....that's why we chose it!
But that's my point, why be so defensive?
That's what I am trying to get across..people will be naturally defensive in favour of the car they have...because they chose it (for whatever reason) over another model. Most reasons are subjective and open to any amount of debate and will still not convince either side of a discussion that their view is wrong. Even definitive proof is not enough....for some R32 drivers :rolleyes: :grin:
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We all defend our main reason for buying it.....that's why we chose it!
But that's my point, why be so defensive?
That's what I am trying to get across..people will be naturally defensive in favour of the car they have...because they chose it (for whatever reason) over another model. Most reasons are subjective and open to any amount of debate and will still not convince either side of a discussion that their view is wrong. Even definitive proof is not enough....for some R32 drivers :rolleyes: :grin:
Im not defensive or shy :grin: I got mine because it was cheaper than the GTi/ED30 :evil:
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We all defend our main reason for buying it.....that's why we chose it!
But that's my point, why be so defensive?
That's what I am trying to get across..people will be naturally defensive in favour of the car they have...because they chose it (for whatever reason) over another model. Most reasons are subjective and open to any amount of debate and will still not convince either side of a discussion that their view is wrong. Even definitive proof is not enough....for some R32 drivers :rolleyes: :grin:
Im not defensive or shy :grin: I got mine because it was cheaper than the GTi/ED30 :evil:
Ahh, I see.
You bought it because you couldn't afford the GTI/ED30 :rolleyes: :grin:
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We all defend our main reason for buying it.....that's why we chose it!
But that's my point, why be so defensive?
That's what I am trying to get across..people will be naturally defensive in favour of the car they have...because they chose it (for whatever reason) over another model. Most reasons are subjective and open to any amount of debate and will still not convince either side of a discussion that their view is wrong. Even definitive proof is not enough....for some R32 drivers :rolleyes: :grin:
Im not defensive or shy :grin: I got mine because it was cheaper than the GTi/ED30 :evil:
Ahh, I see.
You bought it because you couldn't afford the GTI/ED30 :rolleyes: :grin:
Or you could say.. I wasnt willing to pay more for a inferior car :drool:
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We all defend our main reason for buying it.....that's why we chose it!
But that's my point, why be so defensive?
That's what I am trying to get across..people will be naturally defensive in favour of the car they have...because they chose it (for whatever reason) over another model. Most reasons are subjective and open to any amount of debate and will still not convince either side of a discussion that their view is wrong. Even definitive proof is not enough....for some R32 drivers :rolleyes: :grin:
Im not defensive or shy :grin: I got mine because it was cheaper than the GTi/ED30 :evil:
Ahh, I see.
You bought it because you couldn't afford the GTI/ED30 :rolleyes: :grin:
Or you could say.. I wasnt willing to pay more for a inferior car :drool:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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We all defend our main reason for buying it.....that's why we chose it!
But that's my point, why be so defensive?
That's what I am trying to get across..people will be naturally defensive in favour of the car they have...because they chose it (for whatever reason) over another model. Most reasons are subjective and open to any amount of debate and will still not convince either side of a discussion that their view is wrong. Even definitive proof is not enough....for some R32 drivers :rolleyes: :grin:
Im not defensive or shy :grin: I got mine because it was cheaper than the GTi/ED30 :evil:
Ahh, I see.
You bought it because you couldn't afford the GTI/ED30 :rolleyes: :grin:
Or you could say.. I wasnt willing to pay more for a inferior car :drool:
I could, but I wouldn't :lipsrsealed:
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We all defend our main reason for buying it.....that's why we chose it!
But that's my point, why be so defensive?
That's what I am trying to get across..people will be naturally defensive in favour of the car they have...because they chose it (for whatever reason) over another model. Most reasons are subjective and open to any amount of debate and will still not convince either side of a discussion that their view is wrong. Even definitive proof is not enough....for some R32 drivers :rolleyes: :grin:
Im not defensive or shy :grin: I got mine because it was cheaper than the GTi/ED30 :evil:
Ahh, I see.
You bought it because you couldn't afford the GTI/ED30 :rolleyes: :grin:
Or you could say.. I wasnt willing to pay more for a inferior car :drool:
I could, but I wouldn't :lipsrsealed:
because the porkies police might put out a warrant for you! :lipsrsealed:
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We all defend our main reason for buying it.....that's why we chose it!
But that's my point, why be so defensive?
That's what I am trying to get across..people will be naturally defensive in favour of the car they have...because they chose it (for whatever reason) over another model. Most reasons are subjective and open to any amount of debate and will still not convince either side of a discussion that their view is wrong. Even definitive proof is not enough....for some R32 drivers :rolleyes: :grin:
Im not defensive or shy :grin: I got mine because it was cheaper than the GTi/ED30 :evil:
Ahh, I see.
You bought it because you couldn't afford the GTI/ED30 :rolleyes: :grin:
Or you could say.. I wasnt willing to pay more for a inferior car :drool:
I could, but I wouldn't :lipsrsealed:
because the porkies police might put out a warrant for you! :lipsrsealed:
They would have to catch me first, but they would have caught you first as you are in an R32 :wink: :rolleyes:
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Starting to not like this thread, its my birthday next week and my dad said i can get insured on a V6...not to sure what he has in mind. I told him i wanted some BBS he said, no save your money il get you a better golf...not to sure what he meant, any way i can stop him? Deffinatley wouldnt mind an R32 at the age of 19 but i was really starting to like my GTI :sad:
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Starting to not like this thread, its my birthday next week and my dad said i can get insured on a V6...not to sure what he has in mind. I told him i wanted some BBS he said, no save your money il get you a better golf...not to sure what he meant, any way i can stop him? Deffinatley wouldnt mind an R32 at the age of 19 but i was really starting to like my GTI :sad:
I would expect weather is a LOT better down in Gib than in the UK and so I would either go for mods to your car or Edge your Dad into getting an ED30 for you. I would think that you would be the ONLY one with an ED3o on Gib if you did :cool:
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Starting to not like this thread, its my birthday next week and my dad said i can get insured on a V6...not to sure what he has in mind. I told him i wanted some BBS he said, no save your money il get you a better golf...not to sure what he meant, any way i can stop him? Deffinatley wouldnt mind an R32 at the age of 19 but i was really starting to like my GTI :sad:
I would expect weather is a LOT better down in Gib than in the UK and so I would either go for mods to your car or Edge your Dad into getting an ED30 for you. I would think that you would be the ONLY one with an ED3o on Gib if you did :cool:
I also think i would as Spain do plan on bringin them and we get our cars from spain! But it has seriously messed up my week and i dont know, i normally tend to look forward to getting something new but this has like just burst my bubble :cry:
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Starting to not like this thread, its my birthday next week and my dad said i can get insured on a V6...not to sure what he has in mind. I told him i wanted some BBS he said, no save your money il get you a better golf...not to sure what he meant, any way i can stop him? Deffinatley wouldnt mind an R32 at the age of 19 but i was really starting to like my GTI :sad:
I would expect weather is a LOT better down in Gib than in the UK and so I would either go for mods to your car or Edge your Dad into getting an ED30 for you. I would think that you would be the ONLY one with an ED3o on Gib if you did :cool:
I also think i would as Spain do plan on bringin them and we get our cars from spain! But it has seriously messed up my week and i dont know, i normally tend to look forward to getting something new but this has like just burst my bubble :cry:
Look at the positive, anyone would be more than happy with either an R32 or an ED30, so whatever you get, it's ALL good :cool:
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Starting to not like this thread, its my birthday next week and my dad said i can get insured on a V6...not to sure what he has in mind. I told him i wanted some BBS he said, no save your money il get you a better golf...not to sure what he meant, any way i can stop him? Deffinatley wouldnt mind an R32 at the age of 19 but i was really starting to like my GTI :sad:
I would expect weather is a LOT better down in Gib than in the UK and so I would either go for mods to your car or Edge your Dad into getting an ED30 for you. I would think that you would be the ONLY one with an ED3o on Gib if you did :cool:
I also think i would as Spain do plan on bringin them and we get our cars from spain! But it has seriously messed up my week and i dont know, i normally tend to look forward to getting something new but this has like just burst my bubble :cry:
Look at the positive, anyone would be more than happy with either an R32 or an ED30, so whatever you get, it's ALL good :cool:
Especially at the age of 19 lol
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Starting to not like this thread, its my birthday next week and my dad said i can get insured on a V6...not to sure what he has in mind. I told him i wanted some BBS he said, no save your money il get you a better golf...not to sure what he meant, any way i can stop him? Deffinatley wouldnt mind an R32 at the age of 19 but i was really starting to like my GTI :sad:
I would expect weather is a LOT better down in Gib than in the UK and so I would either go for mods to your car or Edge your Dad into getting an ED30 for you. I would think that you would be the ONLY one with an ED3o on Gib if you did :cool:
I also think i would as Spain do plan on bringin them and we get our cars from spain! But it has seriously messed up my week and i dont know, i normally tend to look forward to getting something new but this has like just burst my bubble :cry:
Look at the positive, anyone would be more than happy with either an R32 or an ED30, so whatever you get, it's ALL good :cool:
Especially at the age of 19 lol
Exactly. I would have killed for a monster hot hatch at 19 :cool:
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If the R32 was pushing out 290bhp and was £2,5 - £3k cheaper it would be a viable option. But as it stands the cost of buying and running against performance just doesn't add up to me. VW missed a trick with this car. They had all the ingredients to make a flagship model that really stood out, but it just seems like they lost their bottle a bit. Its a good car but had the potential to be so much more.
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If the R32 was pushing out 290bhp and was £2,5 - £3k cheaper it would be a viable option. But as it stands the cost of buying and running against performance just doesn't add up to me. VW missed a trick with this car. They had all the ingredients to make a flagship model that really stood out, but it just seems like they lost their bottle a bit. Its a good car but had the potential to be so much more.
And then put the price up so everyone could complain a little bit more??
The only people who seem to compain about the R32 are all the people who dont own one. but the spend a couple of extra grand making their standard Gti's quicker :lipsrsealed:
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Your upset because you getting an R32 MK5 at 19 !!?
COME ON !
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Your upset because you getting an R32 MK5 at 19 !!?
COME ON !
I was upset...
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i normally tend to look forward to getting something new but this has like just burst my bubble :cry:
Dont mind me, im just being a jealous tw@t :D
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i been away for a few days and what have i missed :evil: :evil: :evil:
i would say it would be nice if you could mould all the benefits into one car
for me the one bad point about the r32 is the petrol, it's kinda disheartening
the golf gti for me doesn't look that different to a normal golf? am i wrong in saying that? and i've said the ed30 is good but not the seats......
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the golf gti for me doesn't look that different to a normal golf? am i wrong in saying that?
thats blasphemy!
you should be taken out at the crack of dawn and shot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if anything the r32 looks more like the standard golfs/passats with it front. The GTI looks way way different with its grill and lipsick and foggys from any golf !
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the golf gti for me doesn't look that different to a normal golf? am i wrong in saying that?
thats blasphemy!
you should be taken out at the crack of dawn and shot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DannyboyR32....You have been found guilty of a most heinus crime.....If you were in the Sudan ( where they take you to court for giving the wrong name to teddy bears :lipsrsealed:) it would have been the death sentence for you matey boy :wink: :grin:
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the golf gti for me doesn't look that different to a normal golf? am i wrong in saying that?
thats blasphemy!
you should be taken out at the crack of dawn and shot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if anything the r32 looks more like the standard golfs/passats with it front. The GTI looks way way different with its grill and lipsick and foggys from any golf !
I think Dannyboy is just suffering from slight jetlag. what he meant was.. sounds like a normal golf.. yeah thats right!! sounds like a normal golf!! :tongue:
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the golf gti for me doesn't look that different to a normal golf? am i wrong in saying that?
thats blasphemy!
you should be taken out at the crack of dawn and shot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if anything the r32 looks more like the standard golfs/passats with it front. The GTI looks way way different with its grill and lipsick and foggys from any golf !
I think Dannyboy is just suffering from slight jetlag. what he meant was.. sounds like a normal golf.. yeah thats right!! sounds like a normal golf!! :tongue:
Errr.....bugg3r!...can't really argue with that :embarassed:
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sorry
i meant polo
looks like a polo
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
just had a little spin today when i got back, damn i love that car, the speed, oh the speed
i think we are all lucky to be honest, we've all got decent cars that fit our needs
except my need for speed is quite large, the need for speed that is.....................
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sorry
i meant polo
looks like a polo
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
just had a little spin today when i got back, damn i love that car, the speed, oh the speed
i think we are all lucky to be honest, we've all got decent cars that fit our needs
except my need for speed is quite large, the need for speed that is.....................
Its true, we shouldnt be comparing our cars all the time, leave that to people like Jeremy Clarkson etc who get paid to do so. At the end of the day what we buy is what we choose to drive and we all have our own reasons and advantages and disadvantages to why we bought the car....so happy driving :smiley:
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I think that the main reasons that threads like this start off is that the ED30 and the R32 are so close together in the VW heirachy and blur the lines as to what people consider to be the halo model and the ultimate version of the golf. For so long the GTI had the party to itself until the MKIV R32 came along. In the MKIV R32 there was such a clear chasm in terms of performance and handling over the 1.8T that the performance choice was obvious. Similarly when the MKVR32 came along the difference was still there and it was still clear that the R32 was the ultimate version of the golf performance-wise, although in the handling stakes the lines began to blur due to the superb chassis and suspension of the GTI.
Then the ED30 came along, faster and more powerful than the standard GTI, yet on paper still wanting in power against the R32. The fact that VW in their own inimitable way saw fit to endow the ED30 with what we now know is at least 240bhp and with a clear weight advantage over the R32 seems pretty much nonsense from a marketing perspective and yet they did it. What should we think about this?
1) They knew what they were doing and were originally intending on bringing out a more powerful version of the R32 to compensate until their economy drive decided to kick in and spoil the party?
2) They didn't realise that the ED30 would have such an impact to the Heirachy of the Golf range?
All I can say is that I believe that VW honestly were going to bring out a 290+BHP R32/R36 as a run out for the Golf MKV and that the bean counters got to them before it became a reality. This then left VW with two models of similar power, speed, handling and desirability that forums like ours debate it until the cows come home :undecided:
Tell me if you think I am wrong :undecided:
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it does seem strange regarding the ed30 which is a great car no doubt but not the SEATS!!!
i think the issue is what you can econmically get out of a car (ie the manufacturer), ie the r32 will sell most at that bhp and that price
what they should have done is make a 4 exhaust golf around 300 bhp with the ed30 in the middle and job done but for the money or whatever maybe they thought it's not worth it - but i think it would be too expensive and in the price of merc/beemer and maybe not viable???
also you got to realise the uk is 1 market only. in usa certainly the jetta/passat seem 100% more frequent on the roads and when you look at where r32 is sold and by limited numbers then it stacks up.
is the ed30 available in other countries so widely? ie what's the take up? it seems far higher here and the significance is greater here it would seem despite being a german car
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The thing that has always confused me is why the R32 is only 250bhp with its 3.2 V6 when the S3 is 265bhp from its 2.0T FSI
Shouldnt the R32 be 300BHP + .........
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audi maybe have better engineers???
i think at 300bhp, you've got a car and then they can shift the ed30 up to 250, if it were a continuing model
although saying that, the current drive in both cars is totally different so bhp is not the major differentiator, it's the way you can feel the power when you drive
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audi maybe have better engineers???
The S3 features the same 2.0T FSI engine as the Golf GTI / Seat Cupra.
I think it was a delibrate attempt by the VW/VAG group to place the R32 below the S3 so they are not in compertition with each other
And i dont think Audi have better engineers as VW have proved they have better engineers by producing the Bugatti Veyron. If anything they all share the same engineers around the whole VAG group (which was also shown by the Golf W12). They even sometimes share and work with Porsche engineers, more frequently then people think.
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The thing that has always confused me is why the R32 is only 250bhp with its 3.2 V6 when the S3 is 265bhp from its 2.0T FSI
Shouldnt the R32 be 300BHP + .........
that's an old V6 they are using in that car. Aftermarket improvements of it cost quite a lot. Now, imagine VW would do these improvements in-house - then R32 would cost just like S3, and S3 is the premium product. Moreover, I think VW wanted to keep V6 in their production line, to differentiate a little.
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audi maybe have better engineers???
The S3 features the same 2.0T FSI engine as the Golf GTI / Seat Cupra.
I think it was a delibrate attempt by the VW/VAG group to place the R32 below the S3 so they are not in compertition with each other
And i dont think Audi have better engineers as VW have proved they have better engineers by producing the Bugatti Veyron. If anything they all share the same engineers around the whole VAG group (which was also shown by the Golf W12). They even sometimes share and work with Porsche engineers, more frequently then people think.
actually, you wanted to say that Leaon and GTI feature the same engine as S3, as TFSI was developed by Audi (yes, I know it is one concern, but still). So enjoy a piece of premium product in your V-Dub. :smiley:
actually, S3 features a clearly better version of TFSI, as it was heavily uprated before put into S3. They uprate the engine again for their TT-S. This also makes me wonder what a tune-up to 330 ponies does to E30 engine and to S3 engine, comparatively.
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audi maybe have better engineers???
The S3 features the same 2.0T FSI engine as the Golf GTI / Seat Cupra.
I think it was a delibrate attempt by the VW/VAG group to place the R32 below the S3 so they are not in compertition with each other
And i dont think Audi have better engineers as VW have proved they have better engineers by producing the Bugatti Veyron. If anything they all share the same engineers around the whole VAG group (which was also shown by the Golf W12). They even sometimes share and work with Porsche engineers, more frequently then people think.
a, cmon, Veyron... they collected parts of different vehicles and put them together. They did the same with the 12-cylinder GTI only they did it on-the-double (1 month or so) so it was not really running. Parts of Veyron were developed by ingineers from Audi, from Lambo, from whatever...
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audi maybe have better engineers???
The S3 features the same 2.0T FSI engine as the Golf GTI / Seat Cupra.
I think it was a delibrate attempt by the VW/VAG group to place the R32 below the S3 so they are not in compertition with each other
And i dont think Audi have better engineers as VW have proved they have better engineers by producing the Bugatti Veyron. If anything they all share the same engineers around the whole VAG group (which was also shown by the Golf W12). They even sometimes share and work with Porsche engineers, more frequently then people think.
actually, you wanted to say that Leaon and GTI feature the same engine as S3, as TFSI was developed by Audi (yes, I know it is one concern, but still). So enjoy a piece of premium product in your V-Dub. :smiley:
No, "The second generation Audi S3 is powered by a Volkswagen Group-sourced 265 bhp 2.0 L Turbocharged FSI petrol engine."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_S3
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audi maybe have better engineers???
The S3 features the same 2.0T FSI engine as the Golf GTI / Seat Cupra.
I think it was a delibrate attempt by the VW/VAG group to place the R32 below the S3 so they are not in compertition with each other
And i dont think Audi have better engineers as VW have proved they have better engineers by producing the Bugatti Veyron. If anything they all share the same engineers around the whole VAG group (which was also shown by the Golf W12). They even sometimes share and work with Porsche engineers, more frequently then people think.
a, cmon, Veyron... they collected parts of different vehicles and put them together. They did the same with the 12-cylinder GTI only they did it on-the-double (1 month or so) so it was not really running. Parts of Veyron were developed by ingineers from Audi, from Lambo, from whatever...
i wouldnt say they got parts from other vehicles and put them together as no vehicle in the whole of the VW group comes close to putting out as much power as the veyron. It was the GTI W12 that used parts from other vehicles such as the brakes from an RS4 and engine from Bentley GT etc.
The car started its birth in 1999 and was officially unveiled in 2005 so it took some time developing it. Its like no other car in the VAG group! Its a whole new car!
It was developed by VW engineers which would include engineers from the whole of the VW group:
Audi
SEAT
Ã…Â koda
Bentley
Bugatti
Lamborghini
And now Audi engineers pretty much design Lambo's so they are 1 group really.
For some reason people think Audi engineers are better than VW engineers which is not the case as they are one and the same across the whole group.
And lets not forget that VW works closely with Porsche so i wouldnt be suprised if they lend engineers to each other every now and then.
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audi maybe have better engineers???
The S3 features the same 2.0T FSI engine as the Golf GTI / Seat Cupra.
I think it was a delibrate attempt by the VW/VAG group to place the R32 below the S3 so they are not in compertition with each other
And i dont think Audi have better engineers as VW have proved they have better engineers by producing the Bugatti Veyron. If anything they all share the same engineers around the whole VAG group (which was also shown by the Golf W12). They even sometimes share and work with Porsche engineers, more frequently then people think.
actually, you wanted to say that Leaon and GTI feature the same engine as S3, as TFSI was developed by Audi (yes, I know it is one concern, but still). So enjoy a piece of premium product in your V-Dub. :smiley:
No, "The second generation Audi S3 is powered by a Volkswagen Group-sourced 265 bhp 2.0 L Turbocharged FSI petrol engine."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_S3
yeah, group sourced but originally developed for Audi
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The thing that has always confused me is why the R32 is only 250bhp with its 3.2 V6 when the S3 is 265bhp from its 2.0T FSI
Shouldnt the R32 be 300BHP + .........
The limiting issue for the R32 power output is the DSG gearbox. VAG haven't engineered it for 300+ HP and similar torque outputs. Which is also why a DSG gearbox isn't an option on any other VAG performance cars. RS4, R8 etc.
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The only way of getting more power out of the V6 engine is to stick new more expensive bits on it. Hence pushing up the price of the R32. As for the R36...we it was only ever rumours!
I think before you start comparing power between the entire VW and Audi group you need to look at the components that make up the car... its purpose in the line up..... and ultimately the most important factor... cost! Yes the R32 probably was limited to being less powerful than the S3. Simply because its meant to be the inferior car, and Audi use the more expensive parts cough cough.
In my opinion, the Ed30 only came about for 2 reasons.
1. It was obviously the 30th anninversary of the golf.
2. The standard Gti was really being put under pressure from the other more powerful (but not better of course) hatchbacks.
VW looked in the old parts bin and put together the ED30 (in short). If they really wanted they could of had a much more powerful golf. i dont think they held back because of the R32 but simply because of the limits of other parts of the golf. IMO the R32 is made not to be the most powerful golf but to offer the driver that little bit more in terms of refinement, and drive i.e. big engine relatively small car. With the addition of the 4WD and the few extras chucked in to the mix the R32 is a very capable car, with one of theeeee sexiest sounding engines your probably likely to hear. The price to pay for all this is the fact that modding them is very very expensive.
In short, I guess what I am trying to say, as many others who have owned both say is the R32 is the best!!! no, only joking there. They are two entirely different cars and setups that share the same body, and offer a different type of enjoyment. Hence why so many times people will just shout go and drive both!!! the comparison is obviously going to be made! in terms of value then the ED30 wins hands down simply for its performance and tunability. If you test drive the R32 and can justify it to yourself to spend that little extra because its not just the speed your after but the composed ride and rock steady handling. Then you are always going to go for the R32.
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The only way of getting more power out of the V6 engine is to stick new more expensive bits on it. Hence pushing up the price of the R32. As for the R36...we it was only ever rumours!
I think before you start comparing power between the entire VW and Audi group you need to look at the components that make up the car... its purpose in the line up..... and ultimately the most important factor... cost! Yes the R32 probably was limited to being less powerful than the S3. Simply because its meant to be the inferior car, and Audi use the more expensive parts cough cough.
In my opinion, the Ed30 only came about for 2 reasons.
1. It was obviously the 30th anninversary of the golf.
2. The standard Gti was really being put under pressure from the other more powerful (but not better of course) hatchbacks.
VW looked in the old parts bin and put together the ED30 (in short). If they really wanted they could of had a much more powerful golf. i dont think they held back because of the R32 but simply because of the limits of other parts of the golf. IMO the R32 is made not to be the most powerful golf but to offer the driver that little bit more in terms of refinement, and drive i.e. big engine relatively small car. With the addition of the 4WD and the few extras chucked in to the mix the R32 is a very capable car, with one of theeeee sexiest sounding engines your probably likely to hear. The price to pay for all this is the fact that modding them is very very expensive.
In short, I guess what I am trying to say, as many others who have owned both say is the R32 is the best!!! no, only joking there. They are two entirely different cars and setups that share the same body, and offer a different type of enjoyment. Hence why so many times people will just shout go and drive both!!! the comparison is obviously going to be made! in terms of value then the ED30 wins hands down simply for its performance and tunability. If you test drive the R32 and can justify it to yourself to spend that little extra because its not just the speed your after but the composed ride and rock steady handling. Then you are always going to go for the R32.
well put!
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Here here!
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The thing that has always confused me is why the R32 is only 250bhp with its 3.2 V6 when the S3 is 265bhp from its 2.0T FSI
Shouldnt the R32 be 300BHP + .........
The limiting issue for the R32 power output is the DSG gearbox. VAG haven't engineered it for 300+ HP and similar torque outputs. Which is also why a DSG gearbox isn't an option on any other VAG performance cars. RS4, R8 etc.
not true, it does fine with 300+ hp and up to 400Nm torque
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Will the dsg on the ed 30 take 300+ bhp. :rolleyes:
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Will the dsg on the ed 30 take 300+ bhp. :rolleyes:
Ask me again in a couple of years :rolleyes:
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The thing that has always confused me is why the R32 is only 250bhp with its 3.2 V6 when the S3 is 265bhp from its 2.0T FSI
Shouldnt the R32 be 300BHP + .........
The limiting issue for the R32 power output is the DSG gearbox. VAG haven't engineered it for 300+ HP and similar torque outputs. Which is also why a DSG gearbox isn't an option on any other VAG performance cars. RS4, R8 etc.
not true, it does fine with 300+ hp and up to 400Nm torque
Maybe for you it's fine for you but the boffins at Wolfsburg who spend weeks lapping the Nurburgring don't think so.
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personally i find the dsg a bit jerky but good in straight lines when power is increasing
saw some gti's and ed30's today at vw
they look good as well
in fact all three do (gti, ed30 and r32) and most would jump at the chance to drive any of them......
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i would say don't test drive both because you'll want the r32 as the power is incredible but i would consider your financial situation and work according to what you can afford or which one you like the look of
Add to that the fact the the Ed30 looks better, is more exclusive, can be tuned easier and be quicker than an R32 (and also has better power-weight ratio), will be cheaper to run/insure/tax etc. it's a no-brainer for me really.
1. ED30 does not look better than the R32!
2. R32 is more exclusive (If anything, judging by this forum at least, there are more ED30 owners than GTI owners. No one buys a GTI anymore - they go straight for the ED30)
3. R32 has 4WD and ED30 doesnt so R32 has better power management
4. R32 has a better soundtrack
5. If you cant afford the up keep of an R32 then you should live within your means and get something else!
We'll just have to agree to disagree then. R32 looks bland IMO with a tacky silver grille. You prefer the looks of the R32, I prefer the looks of the Ed30. One is neither better than the other, it's personal opinion. Just because we don't agree it doesn't mean the other person is wrong.
I know the R32 has a better soundtrack (I said that in my original post) but I don't buy a car just because it sounds good, it's an all-round package.
As for affordability - if you'd have read my original post I said that I was all set to order one but thought I'd give the Ed30 a chance. It just happens that the better car for me is the cheaper one, but I didn't choose it BECAUSE it was cheaper.
tbh i half agree if u read what i said
i just don't like the seats or gear knob
by the way, not being sexist but what type of driving do you do?
....tumble weed......
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So if you're not being sexist why ask that question? I presume you think that because I'm a girl I just run to the shops and back? Well you're wrong. I'm relatively new on this forum but am quite well-known on other forums and many people will tell you that I am not your typical female driver. Would I own a modified R32 if I was? I have done several track days and quarter mile runs at Santa Pod and am also an advanced blue-light driver. I also got shortlisted for Formula Woman a couple of years ago.
What I meant was the type of driving I do (ie. the roads I use) not the type of driver I am. And if you came out with me I think you'd be surprised. I would quite happily give anyone a run for their money.
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i would say don't test drive both because you'll want the r32 as the power is incredible but i would consider your financial situation and work according to what you can afford or which one you like the look of
Add to that the fact the the Ed30 looks better, is more exclusive, can be tuned easier and be quicker than an R32 (and also has better power-weight ratio), will be cheaper to run/insure/tax etc. it's a no-brainer for me really.
1. ED30 does not look better than the R32!
2. R32 is more exclusive (If anything, judging by this forum at least, there are more ED30 owners than GTI owners. No one buys a GTI anymore - they go straight for the ED30)
3. R32 has 4WD and ED30 doesnt so R32 has better power management
4. R32 has a better soundtrack
5. If you cant afford the up keep of an R32 then you should live within your means and get something else!
We'll just have to agree to disagree then. R32 looks bland IMO with a tacky silver grille. You prefer the looks of the R32, I prefer the looks of the Ed30. One is neither better than the other, it's personal opinion. Just because we don't agree it doesn't mean the other person is wrong.
I know the R32 has a better soundtrack (I said that in my original post) but I don't buy a car just because it sounds good, it's an all-round package.
As for affordability - if you'd have read my original post I said that I was all set to order one but thought I'd give the Ed30 a chance. It just happens that the better car for me is the cheaper one, but I didn't choose it BECAUSE it was cheaper.
tbh i half agree if u read what i said
i just don't like the seats or gear knob
by the way, not being sexist but what type of driving do you do?
....tumble weed......
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So if you're not being sexist why ask that question? I presume you think that because I'm a girl I just run to the shops and back? Well you're wrong. I'm relatively new on this forum but am quite well-known on other forums and many people will tell you that I am not your typical female driver. Would I own a modified R32 if I was? I have done several track days and quarter mile runs at Santa Pod and am also an advanced blue-light driver. I also got shortlisted for Formula Woman a couple of years ago.
What I meant was the type of driving I do (ie. the roads I use) not the type of driver I am. And if you came out with me I think you'd be surprised. I would quite happily give anyone a run for their money.
hey c'mon it was tongue in cheek :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :wink:
tbh i drove the ed30 for about 500 metres and instantly took a dislike to it compared to r32, it just doesn't have the same feeling of sheer power
maybe it does higher up the revs but i want it all the way through that's all i'm saying
and those seats :sick: :sick:
and the gear stick :sick: :sick:
everything else is great and the alloys are :evil: :evil: :evil:
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tbh i drove the ed30 for about 500 metres and instantly took a dislike to it compared to r32, it just doesn't have the same feeling of sheer power
maybe it does higher up the revs but i want it all the way through that's all i'm saying
and those seats :sick: :sick:
and the gear stick :sick: :sick:
everything else is great and the alloys are :evil: :evil: :evil:
The seats and gearknob are aquired tastes, but they go with the ethos and heritage of the cars lineage and for me that is one of the key elements that makes it more special than the R32. :smug:
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I prefer the DSG selector than the gear stick design.
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Sheer power of R32? :rolleyes: 20hp more and 200 kg heavier. It's just 4x4 that makes the difference, nothing else. :rolleyes:
Seats are fabulous! ESPECIALLY in CLASSIC GTI color.
Gear stick is fabulous! Golfball is CLASSIC GTI form of the stick.
Golfgirl :cool:
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Sheer power of R32? :rolleyes: 20hp more and 200 kg heavier. It's just 4x4 that makes the difference, nothing else. :rolleyes:
Seats are fabulous! ESPECIALLY in CLASSIC GTI color.
Gear stick is fabulous! Golfball is CLASSIC GTI form of the stick.
Golfgirl :cool:
i disagree
the pulling power is a lot weaker in feel than 20bhp when you drive it
if it was a v6 then i would agree it's 20bhp different
it's a lot more hollow
i tell you what, i'll do a long test drive in it and i'll come back to you :nerd:
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I had a bit of fun with an R32 the other night, it was wet and from the lights I couldn't live with him, I just couldn't get the power down no matter what I tried, but once up and running and up onto the motorway I could catch him no problem but we got held up by other traffic, I even stayed on the motorway for 2 extra junctions to try a get a free run. It would be interesting in the dry!
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Sheer power of R32? :rolleyes: 20hp more and 200 kg heavier. It's just 4x4 that makes the difference, nothing else. :rolleyes:
Seats are fabulous! ESPECIALLY in CLASSIC GTI color.
Gear stick is fabulous! Golfball is CLASSIC GTI form of the stick.
Golfgirl :cool:
i disagree
the pulling power is a lot weaker in feel than 20bhp when you drive it
if it was a v6 then i would agree it's 20bhp different
it's a lot more hollow
i tell you what, i'll do a long test drive in it and i'll come back to you :nerd:
whaaat? 20hp and 20Nm more do you get from your V6 than I get from my TFSI. And you are heavier 200kg. The "SHEER power" difference is not so sheer. :rolleyes: On the go you will not get away from E30, dude. It's basic math, however you look at it. It has nothing to do with V6 or 4cyl, it's all about ps and Nm. :rolleyes:
yeah, I've already done my drive today. Got looks from passers-by and drivers-by. Two families with kinderwagens walking together stopped to look at me pass by, and showed their acknowledgment with their hands. :smiley:
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Seeing as we are comparing the ED30 to the R32 does anyone have anything constuctive to say about the two cars without talking about the straightline speed?? Surely if thats all that concerns people then your probbly more suited to the VXR's and MAzda Sports of the world.
My main point would be the ability of the R32 to just pull so well through the entire rev range... amazing the amount of speed your car can quickly reach without going over 3.5k revs.
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well as most of the forum members are ED30 owners it isnt hard to see why they tend to put that ahead of the R32.
The R32 in my opinion is the better car and the best of the VW Golf range. As always this is my personal opinion.
Yes i know most would agree that the front isnt the best but it doesnt look that bad in the flesh. R32's look really nice in the flesh!
Straight line speeds dont mean sh1t. If you want straight line speeds than get a VXR or an S3. The R32 interms of the full package, is better than the GTI and the ED30. And if i had money to burn i would choose the R32 all day long. Why you ask? Well, because VW engineers should have made the GTI and the ED30 rear wheel drive which they didnt and thats its flaw!
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I like the sound of the V6.
But the R32 is front wheel drive for, what, 90% of the time. As it only transfers to 4 wheels when the front looses grip.
They are two different models you makes your choice and pays your money. :smiley:
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My New Year resolution: I will never ever again get drawn into any kind of car comparison topics, which are the most meaningless waste of time.
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well as most of the forum members are ED30 owners it isnt hard to see why they tend to put that ahead of the R32.
The R32 in my opinion is the better car and the best of the VW Golf range. As always this is my personal opinion.
Yes i know most would agree that the front isnt the best but it doesnt look that bad in the flesh. R32's look really nice in the flesh!
Straight line speeds dont mean sh1t. If you want straight line speeds than get a VXR or an S3. The R32 interms of the full package, is better than the GTI and the ED30. And if i had money to burn i would choose the R32 all day long. Why you ask? Well, because VW engineers should have made the GTI and the ED30 rear wheel drive which they didnt and thats its flaw!
REAR WHEEL DRIVE!!!!!!
Go and wash your mouth....err....keyboard with soap :rolleyes:
RWD would give it lovely tail out fun in the dry, but would make it lethal in the wet/ice/snow.
I (sadly!) have to admit that 4WD is better than 2WD in the wet/ice/snow, but I wouldn't go for the Haldex 4WD, I would have to go with Audi's Torsen 4WD system.
On dry/drying roads then there is absolutely no point to 4WD as it just blunts performance due to added weight.
I personally will take my chances with the 10% of the time when 4WD is better (ergo R32 is better) and take the 90% of the time when it isn't needed and the ED30 is better. When you need 4WD for that 10% of the time an R32 driver doesn't have to worry and just trundles through as it were another corner, the GTI/ED30 driver has to use skill and adjust the car for the terrain and therefore gets a better sense of fun and fulfilment from their driving :smug:
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well as most of the forum members are ED30 owners it isnt hard to see why they tend to put that ahead of the R32.
The R32 in my opinion is the better car and the best of the VW Golf range. As always this is my personal opinion.
Yes i know most would agree that the front isnt the best but it doesnt look that bad in the flesh. R32's look really nice in the flesh!
Straight line speeds dont mean sh1t. If you want straight line speeds than get a VXR or an S3. The R32 interms of the full package, is better than the GTI and the ED30. And if i had money to burn i would choose the R32 all day long. Why you ask? Well, because VW engineers should have made the GTI and the ED30 rear wheel drive which they didnt and thats its flaw!
the GTI/ED30 driver has to use skill and adjust the car for the terrain and therefore gets a better sense of fun and fulfilment from their driving :smug:
haha what skill?
Oh you mean switching off the traction control so the wheels dont spin and hop :smiley:
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The R32 still requires a fair amount of skill to get it round the corners in the wet. Not as much as a FWD but believe me if you push the R32 it needs to be kept in check. As for sending the power to the back wheels.. this only happens when its required. In my opinion it keeps all the fun of the FWD hothatch and only does this when power is being wasted.. an ideal solution i would say, although many of you crackpots would disagree with this.
Sorry Hurdy gonna have to disagree with your percentages a little there.. i would say you need the power from the back wheels 90% of the time. So its a very effective setup... or maybe its just the way I drive :rolleyes:
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The R32 still requires a fair amount of skill to get it round the corners in the wet. Not as much as a FWD but believe me if you push the R32 it needs to be kept in check. As for sending the power to the back wheels.. this only happens when its required. In my opinion it keeps all the fun of the FWD hothatch and only does this when power is being wasted.. an ideal solution i would say, although many of you crackpots would disagree with this.
Sorry Hurdy gonna have to disagree with your percentages a little there.. i would say you need the power from the back wheels 90% of the time. So its a very effective setup... or maybe its just the way I drive :rolleyes:
90% of the time with the back wheels sharing the drive eh :cool:
I can't fault you commitment to driving an R32 then :evil:
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The R32 still requires a fair amount of skill to get it round the corners in the wet. Not as much as a FWD but believe me if you push the R32 it needs to be kept in check. As for sending the power to the back wheels.. this only happens when its required. In my opinion it keeps all the fun of the FWD hothatch and only does this when power is being wasted.. an ideal solution i would say, although many of you crackpots would disagree with this.
Sorry Hurdy gonna have to disagree with your percentages a little there.. i would say you need the power from the back wheels 90% of the time. So its a very effective setup... or maybe its just the way I drive :rolleyes:
90% of the time with the back wheels sharing the drive eh :cool:
I can't fault you commitment to driving an R32 then :evil:
I just think that its often overlooked that the haldex controls the power to all four wheels all the time. so even when coasting round a corner (for whatever reason) the power is shifted around and its noticable. Dont forget we are trying to control what is essentially a front heavy car.. I had the white paper for the haldex and it made quite an intersting read... the first few pages anyway. See if i can dig it out.
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sorry to be argumentative but the pull on the accelerator of the ed30 felt flat. considerably so.
i know zip all about the mechanics of cars and maybe i didn't take it for a long enough drive but in my eyes the r32 will always be the better car. :nerd:
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If the R32 doesnt have a permanent 4WD system, wouldnt it be wrong if thats what it says on www.volkswagen.com?
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If the R32 doesnt have a permanent 4WD system, wouldnt it be wrong if thats what it says on www.volkswagen.com?
Yes,
it would also be against the law for VW to advertise such information and they would eitehr be fined or asked to correct it. Thats the law in the UK
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Lets all sue themm!!!!
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but in my eyes the r32 will always be the better car. :nerd:
Thats why you bought one. :wink:
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listen i asked my mum as well
she says the r32 is much better :grin:
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listen i asked my mum as well
she says the r32 is much better :grin:
lol...if it werent the better car, wouldnt it be cheaper?? it also wouldnt be the "flagship" model of the Golfs.... :smiley:
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listen i asked my mum as well
she says the r32 is much better :grin:
lol...if it werent the better car, wouldnt it be cheaper?? it also wouldnt be the "flagship" model of the Golfs.... :smiley:
You could equally say as the ED30 is the anniversary version of the ultimate GTI...isn't that the "flagship" model?
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listen i asked my mum as well
she says the r32 is much better :grin:
lol...if it werent the better car, wouldnt it be cheaper?? it also wouldnt be the "flagship" model of the Golfs.... :smiley:
You could equally say as the ED30 is the anniversary version of the ultimate GTI...isn't that the "flagship" model?
ultimate gti?? maybe! Flagship golf?? not!
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listen i asked my mum as well
she says the r32 is much better :grin:
lol...if it werent the better car, wouldnt it be cheaper?? it also wouldnt be the "flagship" model of the Golfs.... :smiley:
You could equally say as the ED30 is the anniversary version of the ultimate GTI...isn't that the "flagship" model?
ultimate gti?? maybe! Flagship golf?? not!
stop being a baby. You've got the best Golf there is, are you happy now?
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Why not pick a comparable basis for establishing which model is numero uno, like OTR price excluding extras?
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Why not pick a comparable basis for establishing which model is numero uno, like OTR price excluding extras?
why is there a need to establish who is numero uno? Audi S3 will kill both E30 and R32, anyway, for example...
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Why not pick a comparable basis for establishing which model is numero uno, like OTR price excluding extras?
why is there a need to establish who is numero uno? Audi S3 will kill both E30 and R32, anyway, for example...
But thats not what this thread is about... if we wanted to compare the S3 then the title of the thread would have said so.
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Why not pick a comparable basis for establishing which model is numero uno, like OTR price excluding extras?
why is there a need to establish who is numero uno? Audi S3 will kill both E30 and R32, anyway, for example...
Personally, I don't believe there is a need. Just thought it may provide a basis for drawing a conclusion. As for introducing additional cars into the debate, well such an argument would not be settled in our lifetimes would it?
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If it's about "top of the range" then that is presumably the highest priced basic spec car.
As for best car, well that's a matter of opinion.
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Why not pick a comparable basis for establishing which model is numero uno, like OTR price excluding extras?
why is there a need to establish who is numero uno? Audi S3 will kill both E30 and R32, anyway, for example...
But thats not what this thread is about... if we wanted to compare the S3 then the title of the thread would have said so.
oooo.. do you want a lolly?
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If it's about "top of the range" then that is presumably the highest priced basic spec car.
As for best car, well that's a matter of opinion.
Cherry Amulet is the best car for kicks! :smiley:
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anyway, remember TOp Gear? They all chose Alfa 147 GTA over R32! :cool:
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listen i asked my mum as well
she says the r32 is much better :grin:
lol...if it werent the better car, wouldnt it be cheaper?? it also wouldnt be the "flagship" model of the Golfs.... :smiley:
You could equally say as the ED30 is the anniversary version of the ultimate GTI...isn't that the "flagship" model?
ultimate gti?? maybe! Flagship golf?? not!
stop being a baby. You've got the best Golf there is, are you happy now?
flagship smhagship :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :cry: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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anyway, remember TOp Gear? They all chose Alfa 147 GTA over R32! :cool:
Cough cough.. OLD R32!!
It doesnt come close to the new one... It was approx 5sec slower round the TG track. Im quite sure that if VW wanted to make a 250bhp gti then they could quite easily do so. the problem would be with many of the other components the golf uses. Alfa's on the other hand break down so frequently... they didnt bother with the rest of the car and just churn as much power out as possible.
And they dont think the Alfa is the better car by the way.. :wink:
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anyway, remember TOp Gear? They all chose Alfa 147 GTA over R32! :cool:
Cough cough.. OLD R32!!
It doesnt come close to the new one... It was approx 5sec slower round the TG track. Im quite sure that if VW wanted to make a 250bhp gti then they could quite easily do so. the problem would be with many of the other components the golf uses. Alfa's on the other hand break down so frequently... they didnt bother with the rest of the car and just churn as much power out as possible.
And they dont think the Alfa is the better car by the way.. :wink:
but it goes to your HEART, Alfa.
I know what they mean
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anyway, remember TOp Gear? They all chose Alfa 147 GTA over R32! :cool:
Cough cough.. OLD R32!!
It doesnt come close to the new one... It was approx 5sec slower round the TG track. Im quite sure that if VW wanted to make a 250bhp gti then they could quite easily do so. the problem would be with many of the other components the golf uses. Alfa's on the other hand break down so frequently... they didnt bother with the rest of the car and just churn as much power out as possible.
And they dont think the Alfa is the better car by the way.. :wink:
but it goes to your HEART, Alfa.
I know what they mean
First it was the Qudi s3.. then the alfa.. something tells me you bought the wrong badge!! Alfa's are fine if your comparing them to something with no soul like a astra.. but we are talking a V6 VW here!! Get it together boy!! :rolleyes:
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anyway, remember TOp Gear? They all chose Alfa 147 GTA over R32! :cool:
Cough cough.. OLD R32!!
It doesnt come close to the new one... It was approx 5sec slower round the TG track. Im quite sure that if VW wanted to make a 250bhp gti then they could quite easily do so. the problem would be with many of the other components the golf uses. Alfa's on the other hand break down so frequently... they didnt bother with the rest of the car and just churn as much power out as possible.
And they dont think the Alfa is the better car by the way.. :wink:
but it goes to your HEART, Alfa.
I know what they mean
First it was the Qudi s3.. then the alfa.. something tells me you bought the wrong badge!! Alfa's are fine if your comparing them to something with no soul like a astra.. but we are talking a V6 VW here!! Get it together boy!! :rolleyes:
ha ha! you are a funny dude! Alfa has no soul? Wel, you never had an Alfa then. Read any review of 147 GTA. First of all it has a V6, just like R32, and moreover Alfa's V6 is a beautiful piece, not only in terms of performance and sound (read ANY review of GTA and you will see them RAVING about that engine!), but in terms of looks as well. Design thru and thru, even where you don't really look. I mean, look into the cockpit! Fantastic seats and dials that start from 6 o'clock in a traditional Alfa way, hand stitched leather, mmm.
Remember what they said on TG:
"If you had a modicum of common sence you'd avoid Alfa and buy another car, a Golf (R32) probably".
"THis car is insane".
"So, a complete disaster? No, fabulous car, wonderful in every way! Wait, you said it would lose all of its value, it would fall apart, and you'd probably crash into a field. Yes, but there are other ways to look at Alfas.... IF you want to be sensible, go on a buss."
And they all chose Alfa, despite it being slower. Because it is exciting, it has real DRIVE (not the kind of "drive" :rolleyes: you have in R32, where you zip from one place to the other effortlessly in any kind of weather).
We had an Alfa in our family, 164TS, it was not really fast, it was noisy, but I loved it, and my dad loved it, and my mom loved it!
I am happy with E30, though it can get pretty sweaty on wet surfaces, especially on tram tracks. :shocked:
If I had the money when I bought my car, I would have bought S3. I really like it. Yeah, it does not have V6 roar, but I do not buy a car for its exhaust sound. I did not buy R32 because I just did not feel for it. I mean, I know all the facts about R32, but when I see it I feel nothing inside, when I saw a photo of GTI E30 I knew then and there that I would buy one of these.
Alfa 147GTA.. that was the car I wanted the most, I was raving about it.... unfortunately it did not happen. I wanted a new car, and these were no longer manufactured. Also, I got an offer I could not refuse on E30, and the VW mechanics are my acquaintances so I always know that my car is in good hands.
So Alfa was not to happen, but I LOVE them, simply LOVE them. Everytime I see a 147GTA drive by, I smile like a baby and look at it till it disappears from view. :kiss: :laugh: :tongue:
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will this subject ever ever ever finish?? Its starting to get abit annoying and it just keeps drifting away into other subs....
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Time to lock it. R32UK summed it up on page 10
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Yes, finish this for good. GTI/R32 both fantastic cars. One is not better than the other. Each to their own tastes. Enjoy your motor for the reasons you bought it. Drive it. If you see a GTI wave and say hello. If you see an R32 wave and say hello.
Thank you VW for producing two (three inc ed30) flagship hothatch models that we have an option to choose from.
Whichever you own - go drive them and enjoy it for what it offers! :smiley:
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This is the thread that never ends, oh it goes on and on and on my friendsss some people started writing in it not knowing what it was cant remember the rest of the song but seriously lets all come to an agreement that the GTI/R32/ED30 are all fantastic cars and they all put a smile on our faces :smiley:
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Last word for me then :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
ED30 is best
R32 rules
GTI rocks
ALL are Great :cool: