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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: symonkey1 on 30 May 2007, 20:11
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Do the tyres for my 05 gti need to be Extra Load?
Also what tyres should it have on as standard?
Starting to get in need of two for the front.
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Also if there are any top brands toavoid would be nice to know
Considering
Continental SP2
Bridgestone potenza
Goodyear eagle F1 non-directional ones
Dunlop sport maxx or sp1s
Avon zz3
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Michelin Pilot Sport PS2's on mine.
Not had any others so can't compare but they are excellent in the wet and are pretty quiet.
They are Extra Load by the way.
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I have 18" Dunlop Sport Maxx and they are OK for me. General consensus is that the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2's may be the best for the GTI though.
Cass
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PS2's every time, but can be pricey, yes the GTi requires XL's, just ask TT if he ever comes back :smiley:
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Come back TT all is forgiven. :cry:
If you search there is a large thread on here with regards to tyres.
TT hates the Dunlops........
No complaints about my the Contis so far.
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Come back TT all is forgiven. :cry:
If you search there is a large thread on here with regards to tyres.
TT hates the Dunlops........
No complaints about my the Contis so far.
yeah TT does hate dunlops and I second the fact the factory conti's seem good so far.
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Also if there are any top brands toavoid would be nice to know
Considering
Continental SP2
Bridgestone potenza
Goodyear eagle F1 non-directional ones
Dunlop sport maxx or sp1s
Avon zz3
Of that list, the only one worth considering would be the Conti SportContact2. However, the Conti SportContact3 has been out for quite a while now, so someone is trying to flog you old stock. The SportContact3 seems to have a slightly softer compound than the CSC2, and so might address some of the low speed ride harshess.
Bridgestone Potenza = leave it in the garage when it rains!
Goodyear F1 = not tried the new non-directional ones, but their GSD3 was not particularly good for the twisties (fine on arrow straight autobahns and US freeways - which it was developed for :wink:)
Dunlop SportMaxx = a poor tyre, though shockingly, I have to admit, considerably better than Pirelli P-Zero Rosso, which are truely fcuk-tastically bollox! Going back to the SportMaxx, it suffers from static deformation, due to a relatively weak carcass, and makes up for it with a relatively hard tread compound. The SP1 are the same carcass as the SportMaxx but with a slightly different tread pattern (but same hard compound) - so I still wouldn't recommend them.
Avon ZZ3 = never used any of the later Avons, but reports from others suggest they are quite good, but wear quickly. Avon make superb motorcycle tyres, and the older Avon car tyres I used to use were better than the equivalent Pirelli or Firestones.
As others have already stated - the best tyre, without any doubts, is the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2. However, these are extremely grippy, and if your driving style is less Michael Schumacher, and more Michael Parkinson, then the Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2 might be a slightly better tyre.
Finally, yes, they do need to be the XL, or ExtraLoad type.
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Come back TT all is forgiven. :cry:
If you search there is a large thread on here with regards to tyres.
TT hates the Dunlops........
No complaints about my the Contis so far.
Are they the Conti SportContact2, or the newer Conti SportContact3 ??
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....Bridgestone Potenza = leave it in the garage when it rains!....
I've read some reviews and they do not seem to indicate very bad performance in wet.
Have you tried them yourself, TT? On what car? :undecided:
I think mine will come with Potenzas.
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Of that list, the only one worth considering would be the Conti SportContact2. However, the Conti SportContact3 has been out for quite a while now, so someone is trying to flog you old stock. The SportContact3 seems to have a slightly softer compound than the CSC2, and so might address some of the low speed ride harshess.
My cars only a few weeks old and they came with Conti Sport Contact2s. Does this mean VW have a stock pile of old tyres that they're fitting to new cars? Or are Continental still producing the SC2 as well as the SC3?
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....Bridgestone Potenza = leave it in the garage when it rains!....
I've read some reviews and they do not seem to indicate very bad performance in wet.
Have you tried them yourself, TT? On what car? :undecided:
I think mine will come with Potenzas.
Trust me, they are shocking.
I've used S-03 PolePosition on a Vectra-B GSI - not as good as either Yoko AVS Sport nor Mich Pilot Sport (original directional tread), loads of wheelspin in the wet.
I've also used the RE040 and RE050 on a variety of other cars, including VX220, Vectra-C GSI 3.2, Vectra-C 2.0 TDI, Vectra-C 2.2 petrol, Peugeot 407, Mazda 6 - and probably some others too. The biggest problem with these, irrespective of the type of car, the engine, the driving style - was just a horrendous lack of cornering grip in the wet. No amount of experimenting with tyre pressures would lead to any kind of improvement.
I personally haven't used them on the GTI, but another poster here, Schrodingers Cat <sp?> also complained of utter shytness from his Bridgestones.
Oh, another snippet of info - don't believe any of Bridgestones advertising drivel, regarding F1 technology! An F1 tyre is a quantum leap away from high performance road tyres. How many high performance 13" road tyres, with side walls as tall as a small volcano, have you seen? :wink: :smiley:
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Of that list, the only one worth considering would be the Conti SportContact2. However, the Conti SportContact3 has been out for quite a while now, so someone is trying to flog you old stock. The SportContact3 seems to have a slightly softer compound than the CSC2, and so might address some of the low speed ride harshess.
My cars only a few weeks old and they came with Conti Sport Contact2s. Does this mean VW have a stock pile of old tyres that they're fitting to new cars? Or are Continental still producing the SC2 as well as the SC3?
Hmmm, dunno?? The SportContact 2s haven't been viewable on the official Continental website for months (Nov 06 was when I first viewed the SportContact3s - http://www.contisportcontact3.co.uk/).
Do you know how to check the exact age of your tyres?
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I've had my gti 3 weeks and its already picked up a slow (2-3 days to go down) puncture in the front nearside, bugger.
Had it checked at my local tyre dealer who said go to volkswagen and check it has actually seated to the rim as its a new car.
VW claim it has a small slit where a stone has gone in and out which could be the problem and I need a new tyre, which naturally isnt warranteed.
Maybe i'll take it off and put it in a water tank and find the bloody problem myself.....
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Intereting Michelin UK recommend a lower pressure for the 18" PS2 than they do for the 17"
http://tinyurl.com/37q5fq
Strange thing, I bought a second hand mint genuine R32 wheel from an eabay seller, whenI picked the wheel up it was fitted with a near new Michelin Pilot Exalto tyre. :huh:
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I've had my gti 3 weeks and its already picked up a slow (2-3 days to go down) puncture in the front nearside, bugger.
Had it checked at my local tyre dealer who said go to volkswagen and check it has actually seated to the rim as its a new car.
Huh - shyte, and horse! All tyres are seated to the rim - if they wern't, they'd be as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. Me suggests you find a tyre fitter with even a basic level of competence (and avoid ThikFit while you are at it).
VW claim it has a small slit where a stone has gone in and out which could be the problem and I need a new tyre, which naturally isnt warranteed.
Maybe i'll take it off and put it in a water tank and find the bloody problem myself.....
Check your valve. If it is the bendy rubber type, run some soapy water (tap water {or Perrier if you are really posh} mixed with a small amount of fairy liquid) around the rubber-to-rim interface, and gentally flex the rubber valve, looking for bubbles. If you have the rigid metal clamp-in valves, scrub that last suggestion. Remove the valve cap, and trickle some soapy water over the valve core. If you have any of those stoooopid traffic light caps with sensors in them - BIN them - they are shyte, and are well known to leak!
If no joy with the valve, remove wheel, and carefully lay it on a flat surface, and trickle some more soapy water in the bead area. Leaks here can be very slow, so leave the water on for about half an hour before checking. Do the other side too. Then do the same on any noticeable cuts in tread, or indeed sidewall damage.
If still no joy, find nearest duck pond, lob combined tyre and rim into said duck pond, and bury head in hands in frustration! :grin:
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Intereting Michelin UK recommend a lower pressure for the 18" PS2 than they do for the 17"
http://tinyurl.com/37q5fq
Hmmm, tyre manufacturers pressure charts are sommat I never trust - they all have errors in them. Afterall, they even list the MkV GTI has having 16" as standard!! :shocked:
The different pressures are due to the different load indexes of the different tyres. :nerd:
Actually, the only one I've found to be accurate, is the one from the German manufacturer, Fulda - linky: http://fulda.tiremanager.com/
Strange thing, I bought a second hand mint genuine R32 wheel from an eabay seller, whenI picked the wheel up it was fitted with a near new Michelin Pilot Exalto tyre. :huh:
Yeah, I've seen brand new showroom R32s with Exaltos on too. There isn't a great deal of difference between the PS2 and the Exalto.
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Cheers tt am just going outside to try your suggestions!
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Ok tried the soapy water method and didnt find anything and no noticable damage.
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Used the typical farmer method and threw the tyre into a water tank, found a tiny pinprick on the top of the sidewall where it meets the tread, I seem to remember having a sidewall puncture before and the tyre place refusing to mend it saying it was too dangerous :cry:
So given i'll probably have to shell out for a new tyre after only 3 weeks, shall i stick with the dunlop sportmax's or go for one of the more highly recommended ones? given that after 1200 miles i wont be swapping in an axle pair!
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You should really keep to the same tyres.
I'd put one of the same on and they should wear the uniformly.
Give it some beans and after about 10000 miles you should be in the market for some new ones of your choice. (Mich PS2 :wink:)
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Of that list, the only one worth considering would be the Conti SportContact2. However, the Conti SportContact3 has been out for quite a while now, so someone is trying to flog you old stock. The SportContact3 seems to have a slightly softer compound than the CSC2, and so might address some of the low speed ride harshess.
My cars only a few weeks old and they came with Conti Sport Contact2s. Does this mean VW have a stock pile of old tyres that they're fitting to new cars? Or are Continental still producing the SC2 as well as the SC3?
Hmmm, dunno?? The SportContact 2s haven't been viewable on the official Continental website for months (Nov 06 was when I first viewed the SportContact3s - http://www.contisportcontact3.co.uk/).
Do you know how to check the exact age of your tyres?
Yes, I'll have a look see.
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Used the typical farmer method and threw the tyre into a water tank, found a tiny pinprick on the top of the sidewall where it meets the tread, I seem to remember having a sidewall puncture before and the tyre place refusing to mend it saying it was too dangerous :cry:
OK, technically, any sidewall damage is illegal to repair. However, if it is a nigh-on brand new tyre, and perfect in all other respects, then some other friendly tyre dealers might attempt a repair. Indeed, I have repaired some tyres in similar circumstances, but only after agreeing no invoice, no comback on me, and - only after establishing their driving style. If I ever had any doubts about either the tyre, or the driver - then I refused the repair.
So given i'll probably have to shell out for a new tyre after only 3 weeks, shall i stick with the dunlop sportmax's or go for one of the more highly recommended ones? given that after 1200 miles i wont be swapping in an axle pair!
Even though I think Dunlops are Satan's tyres :evil:, I would strongly recommend sticking with matched pairs on axles.
Just a thought - give Dunlop UK a phone, and see if you can blag a freebie out of them - big it up to them, how marvelous their tyres are, and how surprised you are that such a new tyre has let you down . . . etc :wink:
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Do you know how to check the exact age of your tyres?
Yes, I'll have a look see.
Well, surely time to report back - with the DoB of your black round thingys! :nerd:
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Do you know how to check the exact age of your tyres?
Yes, I'll have a look see.
Well, surely time to report back - with the DoB of your black round thingys! :nerd:
Still stuck at work at the min. :sad: Will have to wait until this evening, ok for these retired types. :wink:
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according to my stealer you dont need to fit a matching pair of tyres, but then they are barstewards! :evil:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=56400.0
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Do you know how to check the exact age of your tyres?
Yes, I'll have a look see.
Well, surely time to report back - with the DoB of your black round thingys! :nerd:
Still stuck at work at the min. :sad: Will have to wait until this evening, ok for these retired types. :wink:
Fairy nuff
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Do you know how to check the exact age of your tyres?
Yes, I'll have a look see.
Well, surely time to report back - with the DoB of your black round thingys! :nerd:
Still stuck at work at the min. :sad: Will have to wait until this evening, ok for these retired types. :wink:
Fairy nuff
Ok ok, I couldn't handle the pressure you were giving me Sean, :wink: so I've just been for a walk out the office. All 4 tyres were made in Mar 07 and I've just looked at the Conti website and they're still on there alongside the Conti SC3s. :nerd:
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according to my stealer you dont need to fit a matching pair of tyres, but then they are barstewards! :evil:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=56400.0
So, you never got that resolved! :shocked:
I'm still dealing with VWCS regarding my concerns too - useless feckers!
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Ok ok, I couldn't handle the pressure you were giving me Sean, :wink: so I've just been for a walk out the office. All 4 tyres were made in Mar 07 and I've just looked at the Conti website and they're still on there alongside the Conti SC3s. :nerd:
Huh? If they all have "0307", then that means they were made in week 3 of 2007 - which would be January. :nerd:
Still available 'eh? Suppose it allows them to keep a satisfactory supply for isolated punctures and the like!
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Ok ok, I couldn't handle the pressure you were giving me Sean, :wink: so I've just been for a walk out the office. All 4 tyres were made in Mar 07 and I've just looked at the Conti website and they're still on there alongside the Conti SC3s. :nerd:
Huh? If they all have "0307", then that means they were made in week 3 of 2007 - which would be January. :nerd:
Still available 'eh? Suppose it allows them to keep a satisfactory supply for isolated punctures and the like!
Doh, you're right, sorry forgot the first two digits are weeks of the year not month! :embarassed: Car was week 13 build so the tyres were 10 weeks old, to be expected I suppose.
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Ok ok, I couldn't handle the pressure you were giving me Sean, :wink: so I've just been for a walk out the office. All 4 tyres were made in Mar 07 and I've just looked at the Conti website and they're still on there alongside the Conti SC3s. :nerd:
Huh? If they all have "0307", then that means they were made in week 3 of 2007 - which would be January. :nerd:
Still available 'eh? Suppose it allows them to keep a satisfactory supply for isolated punctures and the like!
Doh, you're right, sorry forgot the first two digits are weeks of the year not month! :embarassed: Car was week 13 build so the tyres were 10 weeks old, to be expected I suppose.
Whoops - an easy mistake! I suppose it'd really confuse some, trying to work out what month 48 was! :laugh: :laugh:
Ten week old tyres - seems like someone at the stealer swapped wheels around. Especially when the manufacturers use the "just in time" principle. On my RS4, the car was manufacturerd Jan 07, and the boots are all 0407. However, I don't know for certain when the Golf was built - maybe June 06, and the boots are all 1906. :undecided:
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according to my stealer you dont need to fit a matching pair of tyres, but then they are barstewards! :evil:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=56400.0
So, you never got that resolved! :shocked:
I'm still dealing with VWCS regarding my concerns too - useless feckers!
No, they basically said that VW don't know (or care) what agreement I had with the stealer, and cited that it was a used car, so it was up to the stealer and its between me and them. The stealers response via VWCS, was like it or lump it as the car is roadworthy, etc etc.
My response was that the car had 4 matching tyres when I put the deposit down. Anyway, I have now put the new non matching tyre on the back, so at least the fronts match. :angry:
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according to my stealer you dont need to fit a matching pair of tyres, but then they are barstewards! :evil:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=56400.0
So, you never got that resolved! :shocked:
I'm still dealing with VWCS regarding my concerns too - useless feckers!
No, they basically said that VW don't know (or care) what agreement I had with the stealer, and cited that it was a used car, so it was up to the stealer and its between me and them. The stealers response via VWCS, was like it or lump it as the car is roadworthy, etc etc.
My response was that the car had 4 matching tyres when I put the deposit down. Anyway, I have now put the new non matching tyre on the back, so at least the fronts match. :angry:
That is shocking, but sadly, not surprising. I think any (non-rice) manufacturer's UK importer, be that Reno, Ford, sh!troen, Pukegeot, Vauxhall, etc, etc - would have followed a similar line - not because it was the correct thing to do - but merely because they know they can get away with it.
Did you ever get Trading Standards involved, because, technically, the stealer could be prosecuted under "misrepresentation". I presume you still have all the paperwork, and you could print off the relevent thread!
Regarding the mis-matches - I would strongly be tempted to have them on the front axle. Using the same guidelines regarding new tyres on the rear (for better reduction of oversteer tendancies, and better control when it does occur), and also being on the front, they will wear out much quicker than the rear axle, so you wont have to put up with them for such a long period of time.
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Whoops - an easy mistake! I suppose it'd really confuse some, trying to work out what month 48 was! :laugh: :laugh:
Ten week old tyres - seems like someone at the stealer swapped wheels around. Especially when the manufacturers use the "just in time" principle. On my RS4, the car was manufacturerd Jan 07, and the boots are all 0407. However, I don't know for certain when the Golf was built - maybe June 06, and the boots are all 1906. :undecided:
Ha ha PMSL. :laugh: Neg on the stealer swapping the wheels as I saw the car as it arrived at the dealer. Must be using up all there old stock. Still I'd rather have 10 week old Conti's than the Dunlops. :sick: :sick:
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I'd rather have 10 week old Conti's than the Dunlops. :sick: :sick:
Abso-fookin-lutely.
But just once, you ought to try (no, don't, really!) Pirelli PZero Rossos - they'll make Dunlops look like perfection! :shocked:
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I'd rather have 10 week old Conti's than the Dunlops. :sick: :sick:
Abso-fookin-lutely.
But just once, you ought to try (no, don't, really!) Pirelli PZero Rossos - they'll make Dunlops look like perfection! :shocked:
Does the pirelli edition gti come with these PZero rossos, or different PZeros?
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I'd rather have 10 week old Conti's than the Dunlops. :sick: :sick:
Abso-fookin-lutely.
But just once, you ought to try (no, don't, really!) Pirelli PZero Rossos - they'll make Dunlops look like perfection! :shocked:
Does the pirelli edition gti come with these PZero rossos, or different PZeros?
Dunno, who cares!
All Pirellis are under-developed pieces of utter shyte (look on RS246.com to see just how dangerous they are) - a good waste of rubber if you ask!