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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Ollieb7 on 21 May 2007, 10:01
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Do i have an indirect mention wrt the rockinghams - otherwise who else has taken the sensible plundge in the UK??
Also check out the power figures before the remap - 244BHP!!! I wonder does Superchips rolling road need re-calibrating or do we allready have more power??
http://www.superchips.co.uk/roadtest/VW%20Driver%20May07%20Golf%20GTI%20Edition30.PDF
Sent a wee mail to Superchips asking for a more probing questions wrt economy - 307bhp seems a lot and very petrol munchy for an every day charriot.
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From what i understand, comparing the ed30 (and new leon cupra r) engine to the standard gti engine.. is very much like comparing an old 1.8T AQU with a 1.8T BAM from the audi S3. Uprated conrods and larger gudgeon pins, bigger turbo and lower compression. AQU could be remapped from 180bhp to 220bhp, the BAM from 225bhp to near enough 290bhp.. so I wouldnt be surprised if their claimed power is true for this new engine. No 2 dyno's (or dyno operators from what i gather) will ever agree on a figure though.
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Theres a guy on another forum claims hes pushing out 291 BHP out of an Edition 30 using Blue Fin :undecided:
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Written correspondance from Superchips -
'The fuel economy on our Ed30 has not deteriorated on day-to-day driving, if anything it is marginally better as you have more torque so the engine is much more flexible. If you use all 300bhp then yes you will suffer on the economy as any 300bhp car but driven sensibly I would not expect the mpg to get any worse.
However, we can tailor the program that goes into your car to suit your needs so if you’d rather have 270bhp (ish) then we can certainly do that for you, it is not a problem. However, having done the development on this car, once you’ve tried it with 300bhp+ you’ll always want 300bhp+!
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Hmm....isnt 300BHP+ alot to come out of a golf lol...aswell what about the restrictors on the car?
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aswell as being FWD!
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aswell as being FWD!
traction control will go nuts!
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id love to see and hear abotu it tho
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I dont use traction control 60% of the times i use my car.... :undecided:
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Am I right in thinking that if you buy the bluefin unit, no modification is required, you can use it, un-plug it when it goes into VW for service, and not have to worry about losing your warranty? If so, sounds fantastic!!
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Apprantley that is truee....you dont need to change the chip thats in ur engine :huh:
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The Superchip "Bluefin" allows you to plug into the onboard diagnostic port under the steering wheel and select whether you want the car to be standard or have the performance map. Whether you have the standard or the performance map selected and take it into a dealership the map is invisible to them. The part that is important is that when you take it into the dealers they can re-flash the memory of the car and put in their own standard map. In a case like this (which has happened) a Bluefin would no longer work. This is because the Superchips maps (Standard and Performance) are paired up by Superchips and when the dealership reflash the map there is no longer a paired set of maps. Where this has happened you would have to get in touch with Superchips and re-pair the maps back up for them to work.
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The Superchip "Bluefin" allows you to plug into the onboard diagnostic port under the steering wheel and select whether you want the car to be standard or have the performance map. Whether you have the standard or the performance map selected and take it into a dealership the map is invisible to them. The part that is important is that when you take it into the dealers they can re-flash the memory of the car and put in their own standard map. In a case like this (which has happened) a Bluefin would no longer work. This is because the Superchips maps (Standard and Performance) are paired up by Superchips and when the dealership reflash the map there is no longer a paired set of maps. Where this has happened you would have to get in touch with Superchips and re-pair the maps back up for them to work.
Some ones been doing their homework :laugh:
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The Superchip "Bluefin" allows you to plug into the onboard diagnostic port under the steering wheel and select whether you want the car to be standard or have the performance map. Whether you have the standard or the performance map selected and take it into a dealership the map is invisible to them. The part that is important is that when you take it into the dealers they can re-flash the memory of the car and put in their own standard map. In a case like this (which has happened) a Bluefin would no longer work. This is because the Superchips maps (Standard and Performance) are paired up by Superchips and when the dealership reflash the map there is no longer a paired set of maps. Where this has happened you would have to get in touch with Superchips and re-pair the maps back up for them to work.
Some ones been doing their homework :laugh:
More than you know! :wink:
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Thanks for the info Hurdy, very helpful - I'm seriously considering getting one for my Edition 30. Good write up from VW Driver. So if you were to re-install the standard settings before letting VW get their hands on it, would the performance map then be ok to just re-install once you got it back? I was under the impression that you could return it back to standard at any time? Sorry i'm a bit clueless!
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Apparantley you can change the program when ever you want, as many times as you want. You can even download new programs to achieve your desired perfomance (to limits) and you can change back to standard program when ever you want....it takes around 20 minutes to do so apparantley!
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Thanks for the info Hurdy, very helpful - I'm seriously considering getting one for my Edition 30. Good write up from VW Driver. So if you were to re-install the standard settings before letting VW get their hands on it, would the performance map then be ok to just re-install once you got it back? I was under the impression that you could return it back to standard at any time? Sorry i'm a bit clueless!
It doesn't matter whether you have the standard or the performance map in the car, if VW re-flash the memory it will wipe one of the paired Superchip maps.
When you first get a Bluefin you read the standard VW map on the car and send it via the internet to the Superchips site. The Bods at Superchips then "pair-up" the standard map with their own performance map, send it back to you and this pairing is unique. This is the reason you cannot go out with the performance map and download it into all the GTI's you come across. So, if VW re-flash the car there is no longer the unique, matching pair of maps and you are stuck until you can get Superchips to re-match them for you. Luckily they do this free of charge as they know it can happen. :nerd:
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I wonder what they do exactly to the engine. Do they just increase the boost?
Found...
"Superchips carefully matches increases in turbo boost pressure with the remapped ignition timing and fuelling. It doesn’t affect reliability or the life of the engine. "
Is the last sentence true? :undecided:
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it'll do just as many miles... you'll just do them quicker :grin:
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The Superchip "Bluefin" allows you to plug into the onboard diagnostic port under the steering wheel and select whether you want the car to be standard or have the performance map. Whether you have the standard or the performance map selected and take it into a dealership the map is invisible to them. The part that is important is that when you take it into the dealers they can re-flash the memory of the car and put in their own standard map. In a case like this (which has happened) a Bluefin would no longer work. This is because the Superchips maps (Standard and Performance) are paired up by Superchips and when the dealership reflash the map there is no longer a paired set of maps. Where this has happened you would have to get in touch with Superchips and re-pair the maps back up for them to work.
Some ones been doing their homework :laugh:
More than you know! :wink:
Does it mean you've ordered one of those things? :smiley:
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it'll do just as many miles... you'll just do them quicker :grin:
Well, if the engine is really an S3 engine but with a smaller intercooler, I guess it'll hold just fine. Now, the driveline... :undecided:
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Well I couldn't help myself... just placed the order :laugh:
Spoke to Superchips and they will take it back and give a full refund if I'm not happy - as long as I return my car back to the normal map before returning the bluefin!!
I'll report back with some thoughts when I've had a play with it! :evil:
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Good man! :laugh:
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Love the picture ollie! :shocked:
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Well I couldn't help myself... just placed the order :laugh:
Spoke to Superchips and they will take it back and give a full refund if I'm not happy - as long as I return my car back to the normal map before returning the bluefin!!
I'll report back with some thoughts when I've had a play with it! :evil:
please, give us a thorough review!
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The Superchip "Bluefin" allows you to plug into the onboard diagnostic port under the steering wheel and select whether you want the car to be standard or have the performance map. Whether you have the standard or the performance map selected and take it into a dealership the map is invisible to them. The part that is important is that when you take it into the dealers they can re-flash the memory of the car and put in their own standard map. In a case like this (which has happened) a Bluefin would no longer work. This is because the Superchips maps (Standard and Performance) are paired up by Superchips and when the dealership reflash the map there is no longer a paired set of maps. Where this has happened you would have to get in touch with Superchips and re-pair the maps back up for them to work.
Some ones been doing their homework :laugh:
More than you know! :wink:
Does it mean you've ordered one of those things? :smiley:
No I haven't decided on my tuning product yet as I thought I'd wait until she's loosened up a bit more (4-5000 miles - ish), but I like to keep pace with things and I have been down to my local Superchips dealer for the full monty on how it works (they know me quite well due to having my last 4 cars chipped and having Milltek exhausts etc fitted by them).
I have been looking at others too, but only Oettinger offer a similar product, but at more than twice the price and currently non-reversible :sad:
Revo and APR are two other tuners who may well end up with similar products for the ED30 but only REVO's would end up reversible due to the methods they use.
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Some guy on Tyresmoke has ordered one of these for his ED30....
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That would be me.. :wink:
Only ordered it after lunch today and they have already dispatched it! Should have it all set up by tomorrow night! :evil:
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ok, new thread then I think with full details!! :shocked:
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Will do, soon as I pull myself out from behind the wheel! :laugh:
(By the way, Peskarik, any chance of a picture of your black ED30 with the black wheels, have been wanting to see that combo, looks great on the silver car, but didn't know if it would work on black. Ta. :smiley:)
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Since iv joined this forum...i want an Edition 30 :sad: lol
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(By the way, Peskarik, any chance of a picture of your black ED30 with the black wheels, have been wanting to see that combo, looks great on the silver car, but didn't know if it would work on black. Ta. :smiley:)
Would like to see that combo also - may rekindle my urge of getting them (again!) :smug:
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Will do, soon as I pull myself out from behind the wheel! :laugh:
(By the way, Peskarik, any chance of a picture of your black ED30 with the black wheels, have been wanting to see that combo, looks great on the silver car, but didn't know if it would work on black. Ta. :smiley:)
It is on order, waiting patiently for it.. :cry: :cry:
Will post when it comes.
BUT, if you wanna see some black-on-black GTIs, why don't you click on this and enjoy your heart out! :smiley:>>>> http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18
To save you time: there are pics of black GTI with black wheels on page 9 and on page 12 of BLACK MAGIC under that link. Enjoy! :smiley:
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http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18
To save you time: there are pics of black GTI with black wheels on page 9 and on page 12 of BLACK MAGIC under that link. Enjoy! :smiley:
Been looking at that....why are the american GTI's so high of the groud...its ruining it!
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The black monza's actually look quite nice, would have to see in the 'flesh' I think. Thanks for the link.
By the way just been out in my edition 30 now its had the Superchips Bluefin installed, will try to do a proper write up tonight as I'm at work at the moment, but OH MY GOD, its so fast, instantly notice the power, feels like a different beast - the torque from 3k is amazing, I nearly wet myself!
Better get some work done, can't wipe the grin off my face! :laugh:
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Didnt you just order it yesterday...and gratz m8 :smiley:
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Yeah, less than 24hours from placing order on website, to being in the car! Can't fault the service! :smiley:
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http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18
To save you time: there are pics of black GTI with black wheels on page 9 and on page 12 of BLACK MAGIC under that link. Enjoy! :smiley:
Been looking at that....why are the american GTI's so high of the groud...its ruining it!
come again? :huh:
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The black monza's actually look quite nice, would have to see in the 'flesh' I think. Thanks for the link.
By the way just been out in my edition 30 now its had the Superchips Bluefin installed, will try to do a proper write up tonight as I'm at work at the moment, but OH MY GOD, its so fast, instantly notice the power, feels like a different beast - the torque from 3k is amazing, I nearly wet myself!
Better get some work done, can't wipe the grin off my face! :laugh:
Tell me more, tell me more
Was it love at first sight?
Tell me more, tell me more
Did she put up a fight? :smiley:
but seriously, is it harder to get it rolling now?
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Youd need to give us a full review on ur bluefin thingi! lol we all seem very interested :laugh:
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http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=53771.0
Read what Rehan wrote (especially the epilogue).
Hats off for Superchips. Impeccable service and commitment!
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By the way just been out in my edition 30 now its had the Superchips Bluefin installed, will try to do a proper write up tonight as I'm at work at the moment,
Remember please give us the full facts as well as the borings stuff such a fuel consumption etc, please.
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Ok, had a drive, I'll let you know my thoughts. Please bear in mind this is my first remap, so I don't have a base for comparison, the quickest thing I'd ever driven before my GTi was my MK4 R32 (standard), so no supercar experience sadly :cry:
From the beginning I must heap praise on Superchips, obviously the first time dealing with them, and I'm very impressed.
I ordered the Bluefin yesterday just after lunch, they sent me an e-mail two hours later to say they had posted it, and it arrived at half nine this morning, not a bad start.
First thing I had to do was plug it into the port above the pedals and follow instructions, it basically downloaded my vehicle settings which took about 10-15 mins. I then installed a program on my pc, hooked the bluefin to the usb port, and it then took another 10 mins to transmit to the Superchips server.
Then told me I'd have to wait up to 8 working hours for it back, but within the hour I got a text saying it was ready, another 10 mins to download back onto Bluefin.
Then out to the car (like an excited kid on xmas day!) to re-install the mod program, another 10-15 mins.
That was it! All sorted by around half eleven! Not even 24hours had passed since placing the order.
So top marks to Superchips.
Right the car, WOW its quick, it really took me by suprise, I didn't really know what to expect. It feels like a different motor.
Through first it spins like a pig if you floor it, but as suggested by the VW Driver review, just ease away, quickly but gently, then when you hit second you can floor it (bearing in mind it was bone dry today!).
Still bit of spin and twitch from the front wheels but its fine, then once you get into third it just pulls like a train!!
I had to pull over in a car park about twenty minutes in, phone my mate just to tell him how much fun I was having. :laugh:
Did some duel carriageway driving to test the 30 - 70(ish) :evil: pulling power, and some lanes to see how she handles. Felt it coped just fine with the extra power, although I found myself requiring heavy braking at times - as travelling faster than normal up some familiar lanes, the brakes felt very sharp.
Had a 'play' with a Clio Sport on the duel carriageway (the one with the twin tail pipes). He cut in front of me coming out of an island (two lanes filter into one), and I could see he wanted a go as he cut straight out into the outside lane and floored it. I thought it would be an interesting test (although I realise he only has 180bhp - I think). I followed him out and I honestly had to almost remove my foot from the throttle while he passed a couple of cars and then pulled in to let me past. I could tell he was booting it by the way he was snatching at the gears (oh and the speed - which I won't disclose). Made me smile anyway. :smug:
I was out for about an hour and a half, and my trip mpg was 26.2. Thought that was ok, but I did do a fair bit of cruising in sixth while being stuck behind a tractor then a truck!
I've probably missed loads of things but its getting late and the girlfriend is insisting she wants the computer to go on the b&q site :undecided:
Thanks for reading my ramblings! Look forward to reading your comments!! Thanks. Russ :smiley:
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Sounds good mate! Glad to hear your a happy man :smiley:
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Thanks for the review Russ! I am definitely going to get me a bluefin at some point! :smiley:
No torque steer in 4-6th?
How old is your car (in terms of miles)?
What about the insurance, did you notify them? :wink:
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I've probably missed loads of things but its getting late and the girlfriend is insisting she wants the computer to go on the b&q site :undecided:
:grin: :grin: - Eye - there all the same! :kiss:
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Thanks for the review Russ! I am definitely going to get me a bluefin at some point! :smiley:
No torque steer in 4-6th?
How old is your car (in terms of miles)?
What about the insurance, did you notify them? :wink:
To be honest in the time I spent behind the wheel I (which has only been a hour or two so far) I only really noticed it when accelerating hard in second, when you do get a slight twitch of the wheel. Car has done nearly 3k, and yes told insurance, but as its a combined business policy I use it didn't matter! :smiley:
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What about blown DV's?
You guys thought about this issue?
http://www.namotorsports.net/detail.cfm/part_cd/FMDVFSITV
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Don't know much about these valves, but having read a couple of posts regarding the stock valves blowing I'm keen to find out more!
Have sent an e-mail to Forge, asking them what they recommend for the ED30 as their GTI valve won't fit the ED30 according to their website.
Any help gratefully received! (also if you read this BMX, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts now you have Bluefin on your ED30, thanks) :smiley:
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Don't know much about these valves, but having read a couple of posts regarding the stock valves blowing I'm keen to find out more!
Have sent an e-mail to Forge, asking them what they recommend for the ED30 as their GTI valve won't fit the ED30 according to their website.
Any help gratefully received! (also if you read this BMX, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts now you have Bluefin on your ED30, thanks) :smiley:
I am interested to hear both what BMX and what Forge have to say. Please, follow up this thread.
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forge do do a dv for the ed30
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=1703&product=FMFSITR (http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=1703&product=FMFSITR)
although i havnt heard of any problems with the stock one so im sticking with that untill it goes pop, spend the money on something that does more, is my slant on it.
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forge do do a dv for the ed30
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=1703&product=FMFSITR (http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=1703&product=FMFSITR)
although i havnt heard of any problems with the stock one so im sticking with that untill it goes pop, spend the money on something that does more, is my slant on it.
This is not what I ment. I ment the totally new, not yet released product. It is manufactured in UK. Here is the picture of it:
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19784
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forge do do a dv for the ed30
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=1703&product=FMFSITR (http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=1703&product=FMFSITR)
although i havnt heard of any problems with the stock one so im sticking with that untill it goes pop, spend the money on something that does more, is my slant on it.
I was discussing this on another forum, and was told that valve is just a spacer i.e. noise maker, not the actually dv....I'm confused, still waiting on forge reply..
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Just checked my e-mail and forge have replied..
Hi Russell
The product that we currently have for the Edition 30 is a spacer that allows for the blow off valve sound ,however we will be releasing a replacement solenoid valve in the next few days , so Ill add you to our list of notification
Regards
Peter
Peter Miles
Forge Motorsport
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Just checked my e-mail and forge have replied..
Hi Russell
The product that we currently have for the Edition 30 is a spacer that allows for the blow off valve sound ,however we will be releasing a replacement solenoid valve in the next few days , so Ill add you to our list of notification
Regards
Peter
Peter Miles
Forge Motorsport
Exactly! THey release this mecanical DV now, which replaces the stock one. There seem to be problems with the factory DVs, they leak pressure in high RPMs etc. Also, they sometimes blow up, especially when you tune your engine. Forge releases this product and they say they think that OEM produces will be producing similar things in 2-3 years time.
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Dont wanna sound stupid but what does the Forge Valve do :smiley:
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Dont wanna sound stupid but what does the Forge Valve do :smiley:
We’re proud to announce another industry first for the Volkswagen and Audi tuning market from Forge Motorsport!
Many owners of any VAG vehicle equipped with the all new 2.0T FSI engine, have unfortunately discovered, that the OEM electronically controlled bypass valves, which bolts directly to the compressor cover of the turbocharger, have their limitations. If you are running increased boost pressures, after a software remap (chip), or the OEM valve is being subjected to high temperatures, the lifespan of the unit is significantly reduced. Even without any modifications taking place to the vehicle at all, this OEM valve has been shown to fail over time and it’s boost holding capacity also leaves some room for improvement.
We now have the world’s first fully engineered solution offering both significantly improved reliability as well as valve related boost response. Our valve and installation kit replaces the original unit with a pressure/vacuum operated piston valve that still also retains the desirable OEM ECU control over valve actuation. This product has been thoroughly designed and tested with the expressed intent of offering improved valve response and maintaining ECU control while resulting in absolutely NO fault codes, NO check engine lights, and no adverse effects of any kind. All of the necessary components and detailed instructions are included and everything is designed to make installation as simple as possible.
This product is applicable for all of the following 2.0 FSiT applications:
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For all vehicles where the OEM valve is mounted remotely (8P Audi S3, MK5 Golf ,Edition 30 and the Seat Leon Cupra), please see product reference FMFSITVR. )
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Im guessing this would affect the warranty/guarantee?
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Im guessing this would affect the warranty/guarantee?
probably yes. Like everything else: bluefin, Eibach pro-kit....
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Im guessing this would affect the warranty/guarantee?
probably yes. Like everything else: bluefin, Eibach pro-kit....
Woops :embarassed:
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Im guessing this would affect the warranty/guarantee?
probably yes. Like everything else: bluefin, Eibach pro-kit....
Woops :embarassed:
exactly my face when I think about it. :embarassed: Want to have Eibach pro-kit as well, but don't really want to lose 4 years of warranty on my car. Will ask my dealer what he thinks. He is also one of ABT distributors, but I do not want ABT springs installed, they lower by 20-35mm.
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With any parts that do not alter the performance of your car significantly (eg Bluefin) you can go to your local stealer and (for a price) they can fit it and retain the warrantee. What is or isn't on their list may differ from stealer to stealer :smiley:
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With any parts that do not alter the performance of your car significantly (eg Bluefin) you can go to your local stealer and (for a price) they can fit it and retain the warrantee. What is or isn't on their list may differ feom stealer to stealer :smiley:
Hmm, could you explain that in more simple terms lol i dont seem to understand :sad:
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With any parts that do not alter the performance of your car significantly (eg Bluefin) you can go to your local stealer and (for a price) they can fit it and retain the warrantee. What is or isn't on their list may differ feom stealer to stealer :smiley:
I might see if the local stealer will fit this new forge dv when I get it then! thanks for the info Hurdy, didn't know it was an option! :smiley:
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With any parts that do not alter the performance of your car significantly (eg Bluefin) you can go to your local stealer and (for a price) they can fit it and retain the warranty. What is or isn't on their list may differ from stealer to stealer :smiley:
Hmm, could you explain that in more simple terms lol i dont seem to understand :sad:
Basically, your dealer can fit aftermarket parts at a price, which allows you to keep the VW warranty intact. There will be some parts which will still invalidate your warranty even if you have an official VW dealer fit them - you just need to ask them...How much to fit...&....Will it invalidate my warranty even if you fit it. :nerd:
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With any parts that do not alter the performance of your car significantly (eg Bluefin) you can go to your local stealer and (for a price) they can fit it and retain the warranty. What is or isn't on their list may differ from stealer to stealer :smiley:
Hmm, could you explain that in more simple terms lol i dont seem to understand :sad:
Basically, your dealer can fit aftermarket parts at a price, which allows you to keep the VW warranty intact. There will be some parts which will still invalidate your warranty even if you have an official VW dealer fit them - you just need to ask them...How much to fit...&....Will it invalidate my warranty even if you fit it. :nerd:
Not quite correct. Any work carried out by a VW stealer carries only a 12 month warranty on the workmanship. If they fit genuine VW parts, then the parts themselves are covered by the VW Pan-European 2 year warranty. If they fit aftermarket parts, then it is up to the manufacturer of those parts to warranty them (if they want to). A similar situation relates to the factory fit vs dealer fit cruise control - factory fit, and you get the full UK three year warranty, and dealer fit and it is 2 years on the parts, one year on the labour. :nerd:
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What???
Want me to say sommat ????
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Att.: TT
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What???
Want me to say sommat ????
I wanted to say that they change more than boost, and their service, IF something happens ot your bluefin, is great. I've seen a couple posts where people had problems with bluefin, and the company solved them, and they actually wanted to solve them!
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What???
Want me to say sommat ????
I wanted to say that they change more than boost,
They may claim to alter more than boost, but in reality, they are not technically competent enough with the MED9 to alter anything but boost. Their dyno graphs, and their "customer feedback" and reviews merely confirm that.
and their service, IF something happens ot your bluefin, is great. I've seen a couple posts where people had problems with bluefin, and the company solved them, and they actually wanted to solve them!
That is exactly my point. They are pushing an underdeveloped product - complete with added problems. If you think that someone offers you good service by attempting to rectify a shoddy product . . . . why did they not get the product spot on from the start. It just about sums up the attitude of SuperChips - get the stuff out at as cheaply as possible, with the absolute minimum amount of development, and then if anyone does happen to complain, try to sort it out afterwards.
Revo or Oettinger or MTM don't have such problems, nor does Milltek! They all make sure their products are fully developed and tested BEFORE releasing them to the paying public. Revo, Oettinger and MTM also don't have to divert their time and effort on Chavmobiles like the Focus, or truely hideous turds like Kias - they just specialise in VAG products, and their reputations speak for themselves. They don't have to come out with deceitful adverts either, like SuperChips!
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have you had a bad experience with superchips?
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have you had a bad experience with superchips?
I have... admittedly on a MK5 Golf Diesel. The 'improvements' were fantastic in the short term, unfortunately the turbo paid the price:cry:
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did you claim on the superchips warranty for the repairs? they say anything not covered by the VW warranty they will cover - if its down to the chip. besides I didn't think the chip was detectable by VW if you program the standard program back from the bluefin..so if the turbo goes, how would they know it was down to a chip?
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Want me to say sommat ????
I wanted to say that they change more than boost,
They may claim to alter more than boost, but in reality, they are not technically competent enough with the MED9 to alter anything but boost. Their dyno graphs, and their "customer feedback" and reviews merely confirm that.
and their service, IF something happens ot your bluefin, is great. I've seen a couple posts where people had problems with bluefin, and the company solved them, and they actually wanted to solve them!
That is exactly my point. They are pushing an underdeveloped product - complete with added problems. If you think that someone offers you good service by attempting to rectify a shoddy product . . . . why did they not get the product spot on from the start. It just about sums up the attitude of SuperChips - get the stuff out at as cheaply as possible, with the absolute minimum amount of development, and then if anyone does happen to complain, try to sort it out afterwards.
Revo or Oettinger or MTM don't have such problems, nor does Milltek! They all make sure their products are fully developed and tested BEFORE releasing them to the paying public. Revo, Oettinger and MTM also don't have to divert their time and effort on Chavmobiles like the Focus, or truely hideous turds like Kias - they just specialise in VAG products, and their reputations speak for themselves. They don't have to come out with deceitful adverts either, like SuperChips!
I am not a spokesperson for Superchips. I believe there is margin of error in all products, including Oetinger etc. I'm telling you, people use REVO and then their DVs pack up. Also, TT, I do not know much about remaps, but don't they all in the end mean increased boost pressure? I kinda like the power/torque curves of Zuperchips, I don't like spikes like others have.
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did you claim on the superchips warranty for the repairs? they say anything not covered by the VW warranty they will cover - if its down to the chip. besides I didn't think the chip was detectable by VW if you program the standard program back from the bluefin..so if the turbo goes, how would they know it was down to a chip?
number of remaps is recorded by onboard computer, by ECU. :sad:
If they check - they will know.
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I am not a spokesperson for Superchips. I believe there is margin of error in all products, including Oetinger etc. I'm telling you, people use REVO and then their DVs pack up. Also, TT, I do not know much about remaps, but don't they all in the end mean increased boost pressure? I kinda like the power/torque curves of Zuperchips, I don't like spikes like others have.
the dv's pack up because the vag ones are rubbish, it was the first thing i changed on my car even before the remap and turbo swap.
Typically we will change about 35 different tables in a standard remap. Of which load, boost, timing, and fuel are all adjusted as well as the variable cam timing. Some tuners change only one table while most others no more than 6. By increasing one table it may be indirectly increasing another table and causing it to "max out" or be at the limit of the table. This effectively leaves this table ineffective in providing necessary data for the control systems. We have the ability to rescale any table to add to its range. We have many proprietary methods and programs that we use to make the most powerful and smoothest software available.
should help explain why some are better than others..
no i'm not a spokesperson for revo either :grin:
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did you claim on the superchips warranty for the repairs? they say anything not covered by the VW warranty they will cover - if its down to the chip. besides I didn't think the chip was detectable by VW if you program the standard program back from the bluefin..so if the turbo goes, how would they know it was down to a chip?
The "actual" remap might not be detectable, but the EPROM records the number of times it has been reflashed, irrespective of weather it was BlueBollox, or the more conventional means of flashing. A simple history check on the VW central 'puter will detail the previous occurances of "official" re-flashes, from the VW main stealer network - and the discrepance will be clear to see. :nerd:
It would be much better to only use the proven, reputable maps from the dedicated VAG independent specialists - at least these are a known quantity. And like I said before, Oettinger stuff has official TuV approval, too.
Trying to "hide" stuff from VW will get you no where!
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Thanks for putting me straight there! Every days a school day! :nerd:
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I am not a spokesperson for Superchips.
No one said you were - this is just a general discussion, with some "home truths", which some peeps find difficult to accept.
For the record, I don't have any connections, commercial or otherwise, with any company or product either.
I believe there is margin of error in all products, including Oetinger etc.
You are absolutley correct. However, it is the "width" of the margin that should be questioned, and with SuperSh!ts, that width is about as wide as the Atlantic Ocean! And don't forget the lies that SuperChips quote in their advertising! And what about any independent quality testing - SuperChips has none, Oettinger has TuV. :nerd: :smug:
I'm telling you, people use REVO and then their DVs pack up.
And . . . a DV is quite a bit cheaper than a $hagged turbo, where Super$h!ts seem to excell.
Also, TT, I do not know much about remaps, but don't they all in the end mean increased boost pressure?
Fine - I'm no "expert", either. However, I do understand the requirements, of ALL the various functions of an engine management ECU. I understand the importance of multi-layer 3D mapping, and also dynamic mapping, not only for the obvious fuel delivery and ignition, but also "requested" throttle, "actual" throttle, WOT parameters, requested boost, actual boost, requested advance or retard, actual advance or retard, knock sensing, knock parameters, ambient air temperature, induction air temp, coolant temp, oil temp, EGR mode, lambda values, ancillary loading, battery voltage - etcetera, etcetera. What all that basically means is there is a whole raft of infinately variable parameters to adjust - even on the basic VW OEM maps.
Your comment on boost pressures - like I said in the above paragraph, increased boost alone is NOT enough, to correctly and FULLY alter a map successfully. Yet, I state again, all the evidence proves with little doubt, that SuperChips ONLY increase boost. And that, in the medium to long term, is a recipee for potential major component failure.
I kinda like the power/torque curves of Zuperchips, I don't like spikes like others have.
OK, fine. I'm not trying to tell you what you should and shouldn't like!
However, regarding spikes - two issues, and it may seem that I am completely contradicting myself. Firstly, some spikes can be good, but only in certain circumstances. And the amplitude, or size of the spikes must be small. Spikes with the depth of the Grand Canyon are not good. Why are spikes good? They allow tyres that are struggling for traction to momentarily regain grip, hence regain traction. Spikes are best used on vehicles with no Traction Control (TC) systems. They can also be used on cars with relatively "lax" or liberal TC systems, such as on the GTI, and most BMWs. Spikes are a bad thing on cars with early intervention TC systems, such as modern Fords, Vauxhalls, most scandanavian originated cars, and general mass-market family or luxury orientated brands.
Secondly, SuperSh!ts also have spikes. They have big spikes on cars that don't need spikes, because of the cars early intervention TC. A classic example is a non-turbo Vectra GSi (complete with early intervention TC). When I carefully studied overlay dyno graphs, firstly I noticed that both power and torque curves had more peaks and troughs than a Hugh Heffner bunny girl party (yes, that was my quote, from a previous thread on the same subject), but there was also a dramatic loss of mid range power/torque. This wasn't a development map - this was their final finished map, to go on sale to the unfortunate paying public.
But hey, if you like SuperChips, then go with them, and enjoy (whilst it lasts)!
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the dv's pack up because the vag ones are rubbish, it was the first thing i changed on my car even before the remap and turbo swap.
Interesting! What about the integrated valves on the 2litre FSI turbo, though? Heard of any probs with these yet?
Typically we will change about 35 different tables in a standard remap. Of which load, boost, timing, and fuel are all adjusted as well as the variable cam timing. Some tuners change only one table while most others no more than 6. By increasing one table it may be indirectly increasing another table and causing it to "max out" or be at the limit of the table. This effectively leaves this table ineffective in providing necessary data for the control systems. We have the ability to rescale any table to add to its range. We have many proprietary methods and programs that we use to make the most powerful and smoothest software available.
should help explain why some are better than others..
no i'm not a spokesperson for revo either :grin:
Great detailed quote from Revo - thanks. :smiley: It should be surgically implanted into everyones brain! :shocked: :grin:
It sort of vindicates what I have been saying for a long time on here! :smug: :rolleyes:
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Thanks for putting me straight there! Every days a school day! :nerd:
Cool, you're most welcome. It's good to know we can sort the wheat from the chaff! :grin:
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Interesting! What about the integrated valves on the 2litre FSI turbo, though? Heard of any probs with these yet?
Haven't had my hands on one yet, but if they're still using a plastic diaphragm in them rather than a piston... then they really haven't learned their lesson yet!
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But hey, if you like SuperChips, then go with them, and enjoy (whilst it lasts)!
Very informative post, TT, thank you!
Actually, what I really, really like is Oettinger 305bhp remap with mapswitching. :nerd:
Problem is, I have 4 year warranty, and Oettinger only gives 2 year warranty. :cry:
I don't know what to do... waiting 2 years seems tooooooooooo long :cry:
I am not waiting when it comes to exhaust. When Milltek cat-back is here - I install it!
They have full exhaust for new S3, I guess the system for Ed.30 is not long way off now.. :undecided:
It is not 305bhp, but 8-10% promissed increase in peak bhp, and better mid-range torque, should be soothing. :tongue:
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Interesting! What about the integrated valves on the 2litre FSI turbo, though? Heard of any probs with these yet?
Haven't had my hands on one yet, but if they're still using a plastic diaphragm in them rather than a piston... then they really haven't learned their lesson yet!
Well, I suppose if it lasts OK without any tuning, then why bother. Afterall, VW must know there are plenty of aftermarket ones out there! :nerd:
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But hey, if you like SuperChips, then go with them, and enjoy (whilst it lasts)!
Very informative post, TT, thank you!
OK, cool. :smiley:
Actually, what I really, really like is Oettinger 305bhp remap with mapswitching. :nerd:
Problem is, I have 4 year warranty, and Oettinger only gives 2 year warranty. :cry:
I don't know what to do... waiting 2 years seems tooooooooooo long :cry:
Yebut, the Oettinger warranty is two years more than the SuperChips warranty! :wink: And with the Oettinger being well tried and tested, hopefully you shouldnt need to use the warranty anyway.
I am not waiting when it comes to exhaust. When Milltek cat-back is here - I install it!
They have full exhaust for new S3, I guess the system for Ed.30 is not long way off now.. :undecided:
It is not 305bhp, but 8-10% promissed increase in peak bhp, and better mid-range torque, should be soothing. :tongue:
Nah, go the whole hog, and install the turbo-back Milltek when they release it!
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I am not waiting when it comes to exhaust. When Milltek cat-back is here - I install it!
They have full exhaust for new S3, I guess the system for Ed.30 is not long way off now.. :undecided:
It is not 305bhp, but 8-10% promissed increase in peak bhp, and better mid-range torque, should be soothing. :tongue:
Nah, go the whole hog, and install the turbo-back Milltek when they release it!
Doh! :lipsrsealed: I miss-spelled. I meant TURBO-BACK, of course! cat-back is waste of money, IMHO. So, full system when it is here! :smiley:
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Regarding the systems check that VW can do to see how many times the ECU has been re-flashed - Does this mean that if you have Revo or Bluefin that each time you swap the map it adds another re-flash check to it's memory. If this is the case then reversible maps are transparent to say the least :undecided:
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Regarding the systems check that VW can do to see how many times the ECU has been re-flashed - Does this mean that if you have Revo or Bluefin that each time you swap the map it adds another re-flash check to it's memory. If this is the case then reversible maps are transparent to say the least :undecided:
exactly. So no fooling VW and insurance people! :evil:
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Regarding the systems check that VW can do to see how many times the ECU has been re-flashed - Does this mean that if you have Revo or Bluefin that each time you swap the map it adds another re-flash check to it's memory. If this is the case then reversible maps are transparent to say the least :undecided:
Exactly - though just like main stealer technicians for all manufacturers, weather they have the detailed expertise (and intelligence :wink:) to (a) actually notice the number of re-flashes, and (b) can be bothered to do anything about it during routine maintenance - is another matter.
Should any "issues" arise, I still think you would be in a considerably stronger position if you only used the VAG specialist chip tuners, and were open about it's use. VW/Audi arn't stupid - they know that some people chip their motors, just like they know people fit Millteks. Indeed, as you (Hurdy) indicated on another thread, some main stealers even fit aftermarket kit in their own workshops - and that includes stuff like Milltek, and Revo!
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Regarding the systems check that VW can do to see how many times the ECU has been re-flashed - Does this mean that if you have Revo or Bluefin that each time you swap the map it adds another re-flash check to it's memory. If this is the case then reversible maps are transparent to say the least :undecided:
exactly. So no fooling VW and insurance people! :evil:
I'm not so sure on that ^^^ point!
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Yebut, the Oettinger warranty is two years more than the SuperChips warranty!
You do get a warranty with superchips though.
TT you do realise I'm now living in fear of my turbo exploding after reading your posts re. superchips! :wink:
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Regarding the systems check that VW can do to see how many times the ECU has been re-flashed - Does this mean that if you have Revo or Bluefin that each time you swap the map it adds another re-flash check to it's memory. If this is the case then reversible maps are transparent to say the least :undecided:
exactly. So no fooling VW and insurance people! :evil:
I'm not so sure on that ^^^ point!
Well, insurance people are on a need to know basis. :wink:
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Yebut, the Oettinger warranty is two years more than the SuperChips warranty!
You do get a warranty with superchips though.
yep, I thought so myself as well. It may even be unlimited warranty, as long as it can be proven that problem was caused by the chip. But the same applies to Oettinger, except warranty is 2 years.
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I just checked on the website and it doesn't specify length of warranty (that I could see), will have a look at the paperwork tonight to check.got a feeling its just 1 year :huh:
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Yebut, the Oettinger warranty is two years more than the SuperChips warranty!
You do get a warranty with superchips though.
Do you? :undecided:
If it has words like "limited" in it - then think of "teapot" and "chocolate" - and you should get some idea of its' potential effectiveness!
TT you do realise I'm now living in fear of my turbo exploding after reading your posts re. superchips! :wink:
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Yebut, the Oettinger warranty is two years more than the SuperChips warranty!
You do get a warranty with superchips though.
yep, I thought so myself as well. It may even be unlimited warranty, as long as it can be proven that problem was caused by the chip. But the same applies to Oettinger, except warranty is 2 years.
Yebut - you all seem to have missed the point again.
Surely, it would be much better to use a product, which by its' nature of considerable more development - makes it considerably more reliable. In that instance, it wouldn't matter weather the warranty was 15minutes or 15 years !!!! :smug:
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Yebut, the Oettinger warranty is two years more than the SuperChips warranty!
You do get a warranty with superchips though.
yep, I thought so myself as well. It may even be unlimited warranty, as long as it can be proven that problem was caused by the chip. But the same applies to Oettinger, except warranty is 2 years.
Yebut - you all seem to have missed the point again.
Surely, it would be much better to use a product, which by its' nature of considerable more development - makes it considerably more reliable. In that instance, it wouldn't matter weather the warranty was 15minutes or 15 years !!!! :smug:
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Damn, I get no reply from Oettinger about the pricing. :undecided:
And no reply from Milltek about the exhaust for Ed.30. Maybe Milltek does not like people from continent asking questions? :undecided: Does anybody have an update on the exhaust? I mean, they have one for S3 already! Cmon, Milltek!!!
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Yebut, the Oettinger warranty is two years more than the SuperChips warranty!
You do get a warranty with superchips though.
yep, I thought so myself as well. It may even be unlimited warranty, as long as it can be proven that problem was caused by the chip. But the same applies to Oettinger, except warranty is 2 years.
Yebut - you all seem to have missed the point again.
Surely, it would be much better to use a product, which by its' nature of considerable more development - makes it considerably more reliable. In that instance, it wouldn't matter weather the warranty was 15minutes or 15 years !!!! :smug:
:cool:
Damn, I get no reply from Oettinger about the pricing. :undecided:
And no reply from Milltek about the exhaust for Ed.30. Maybe Milltek does not like people from continent asking questions? :undecided: Does anybody have an update on the exhaust? I mean, they have one for S3 already! Cmon, Milltek!!!
If you wait till after the 17th of this month, I'm sure Ed30 owners will have badgered Milltek into submission at Inters!
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Milltek, quite rightly in my opinion, won't launch a product until they are satisfied it will work well. Producing performance exhaust systems for cars involves much more than just bending tubes.
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Milltek, quite rightly in my opinion, won't launch a product until they are satisfied it will work well. Producing performance exhaust systems for cars involves much more than just bending tubes.
Well said that man, quite right. That is why Milltek are deemed to be the best out there.
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Milltek, quite rightly in my opinion, won't launch a product until they are satisfied it will work well. Producing performance exhaust systems for cars involves much more than just bending tubes.
Sure, I agree 110% on it not being just beding tubes. Only, they do not bench-test cars with their exhaust, so they do not really know if it works well, if you know what I mean.
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Yebut, the Oettinger warranty is two years more than the SuperChips warranty!
You do get a warranty with superchips though.
yep, I thought so myself as well. It may even be unlimited warranty, as long as it can be proven that problem was caused by the chip. But the same applies to Oettinger, except warranty is 2 years.
Yebut - you all seem to have missed the point again.
Surely, it would be much better to use a product, which by its' nature of considerable more development - makes it considerably more reliable. In that instance, it wouldn't matter weather the warranty was 15minutes or 15 years !!!! :smug:
:cool:
Damn, I get no reply from Oettinger about the pricing. :undecided:
And no reply from Milltek about the exhaust for Ed.30. Maybe Milltek does not like people from continent asking questions? :undecided: Does anybody have an update on the exhaust? I mean, they have one for S3 already! Cmon, Milltek!!!
If you wait till after the 17th of this month, I'm sure Ed30 owners will have badgered Milltek into submission at Inters!
Me included,
I e-mailed them long ago asking the same question and the answer I got was that it was due for release "sometime in May". Which May I don't know :undecided:
They also said it shouldn't take much development as "it is basically the same as the S3 exhaust"
Here's hoping it arrives sooner rather than later :wink:
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Yebut, the Oettinger warranty is two years more than the SuperChips warranty!
You do get a warranty with superchips though.
Do you? :undecided:
If it has words like "limited" in it - then think of "teapot" and "chocolate" - and you should get some idea of its' potential effectiveness!
TT you do realise I'm now living in fear of my turbo exploding after reading your posts re. superchips! :wink:
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Just to clarify on the warranty. Its 12 months or 30,000miles from install. Summary of cover: "Mechanical or electrical breakdown being the sudden and unforeseen failure of a component of the motor vehicle directly attributable the the operating of the superchips software the subject of this warranty, which has caused the motor vehicle to stop working and therefore requiring repair or replacement before normal operation can be resumed"
Although I agree that the product should be right, so the warranty is not actually ever required.
To be honest I've only heard negative comments from a couple of people so far regarding superchips (many more v. happy people who have been using it for years) and I've heard a fair share of positive & negative comments about revo etc. as well. So I guess its just peoples opinions/experiences, which is fine, but I think I think I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and see if it works for me! :smiley:
By the way, think I'll send milltek an e-mail as well! Force em into submission! :evil:
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Yep, send the email! They should see there is interest out there!
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Milltek, quite rightly in my opinion, won't launch a product until they are satisfied it will work well. Producing performance exhaust systems for cars involves much more than just bending tubes.
Sure, I agree 110% on it not being just beding tubes. Only, they do not bench-test cars with their exhaust, so they do not really know if it works well, if you know what I mean.
Oh, you are so, so WRONG with that statement. Milltek certainly do test their exhausts. They repeatedly run them on a rolling road dyno, and constantly tweak the spec, not only for "performance", but also for clearance, and general fit and finish.
Milltek are extremely highly regarded, thoughout the entire aftermarket and tuning sectors of the motor industry, be that Volkswagen or Vauxhall, that their products are consistently the best finished, in terms of quality, fit, sound, and performance. Milltek have built up such an enviable reputation, you can be assured that they are a fit first time, and forget product. (Unlike something else listed in this thread title :wink:)
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Yebut, the Oettinger warranty is two years more than the SuperChips warranty!
You do get a warranty with superchips though.
yep, I thought so myself as well. It may even be unlimited warranty, as long as it can be proven that problem was caused by the chip. But the same applies to Oettinger, except warranty is 2 years.
Yebut - you all seem to have missed the point again.
Surely, it would be much better to use a product, which by its' nature of considerable more development - makes it considerably more reliable. In that instance, it wouldn't matter weather the warranty was 15minutes or 15 years !!!! :smug:
:cool:
Damn, I get no reply from Oettinger about the pricing. :undecided:
And no reply from Milltek about the exhaust for Ed.30. Maybe Milltek does not like people from continent asking questions? :undecided: Does anybody have an update on the exhaust? I mean, they have one for S3 already! Cmon, Milltek!!!
If you wait till after the 17th of this month, I'm sure Ed30 owners will have badgered Milltek into submission at Inters!
Me included,
I e-mailed them long ago asking the same question and the answer I got was that it was due for release "sometime in May". Which May I don't know :undecided:
They also said it shouldn't take much development as "it is basically the same as the S3 exhaust"
Here's hoping it arrives sooner rather than later :wink:
Maybe Milltek think there is less demand for the Ed30? Or maybe they have some kind of corporate strategy to primarily concentrate on the "top-end" brand of Audi, then VW, then Seat, and so on.
If enough peeps hassle them at Inters, then maybe they might pull their fingers out, and get on with it.
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Just to clarify on the warranty. Its 12 months or 30,000miles from install. Summary of cover: "Mechanical or electrical breakdown being the sudden and unforeseen failure of a component of the motor vehicle directly attributable the the operating of the superchips software the subject of this warranty, which has caused the motor vehicle to stop working and therefore requiring repair or replacement before normal operation can be resumed"
Strewth, you have confirmed chocolate and teapot. 12 months is taking the p!$$. 12 months also breaches current EU consumer law, which basically states if a warranty is offered, it must be no less than 24 months!. Then there is the "detail" - sudden and unforseen - what about gradual failure??? Basically, any other problems, such as misfire, hesitation, pinking (knocking/detonation/pre-ignition), poor fuel consumption, illumination of EMS light, etc, etc - are excluded from their warranty. :shocked: :rolleyes: So, if their software causes your car to go into "limp home mode" - you ain't covered. Looks like their warranty has more holes than a swiss cheese.
Although I agree that the product should be right, so the warranty is not actually ever required.
You are damn right - their product should be fully developed, and nigh-on perfect. And no, it isn't too much to ask - Revo, Oettinger and MTM can manage!
To be honest I've only heard negative comments from a couple of people so far regarding superchips (many more v. happy people who have been using it for years)
OK, a number of issues. Firstly, the "happy" customers - of course, ANYONE who suddenly finds they have an extra 80 or so BHP under their right foot is going to be "happy". Think of it as the "honeymoon period". Unfortunately, not all marriages are made in heaven! :wink:. Secondly, how many of those happy customers have compared, back to back, with other chips?
Next, and I've repeatedly said this before - but I'll approach it from a different perspective. You state that peeps have been using SuperChips for years - again, maybe so. However, older style ECUs were considerably easier to reverse engineer, and then re-map. Also, an extremely high proportion of SuperChips customers are turbo diesels. These are notoriously easy to tune - simply by whacking up the turbo boost, and also by overfuelling. Any software boffin with a laptop can do the same. Just google for custom codes, and similar catchphrases, and you will see what I mean. However, petrol engine ECUs are completely different, and control a greater range of paramaters, as both I and RedRobin mentioned. I have made mentions previously about the "Bosch ME" ECU as found on normally aspriated petrol V6 Vectras - and SuperChips made a right hash of that, and were completely out of their depths. Moving onto the 2 litre FSI turbo engine, this uses the "Bosch MED" variant ECU - and even the established and dedicated VAG chip tuners repeatedly said how difficult this latest ECU was to reverse-engineer and then remap.
and I've heard a fair share of positive & negative comments about revo etc. as well. So I guess its just peoples opinions/experiences, which is fine, but I think I think I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and see if it works for me! :smiley:
With respect to Revo - I think you will find that most Revo customers are true "enthusiats", whereas SuperChips customers tend to be more of the "rep-mobile" brigade, and seem more gullable (no offence to you personally, Russ). SuperChips customers, on the whole, will just fit it and hope to forget it - and most couldn't care less if it was close to perfection. Revo customers, on the other hand, are more technically demanding. Theyv'e probably dynoed their car beforhand, done a lot of homework, and know exactly what to expect. If they don't think they have perfection, they will feed back to Revo, either directly, or via the supplying dealer. They will also probably share their "problems", on web forum such as this, not for slating the product, but instead, to help others in turn help Revo further.
This is the crucial issue - Revo listen to all their customers - SuperChips don't (unless you shout loud enough - and then they just give you a shyte product for free).
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With respect to Revo - I think you will find that most Revo customers are true "enthusiats", whereas SuperChips customers tend to be more of the "rep-mobile" brigade, and seem more gullable (no offence to you personally, Russ).
No offence taken, in my case I would definately agree with that, I definately wouldn't call myself an enthusiast, this was my first re-map experience and I only keep my cars for three years, so maybe if the Superchips product does let me down on the ED30, I may look at Revo in the future.... :wink:
Hopefully it won't let me down though! A guy I work with has had a Superchip on his RS Focus for over two years and has never had an issue, I'll take some comfort from that seen as you have destroyed my confidence in Superchips TT!! :grin: But seriously, thanks for the information it really helps a beginner like me! :smiley:
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Milltek, quite rightly in my opinion, won't launch a product until they are satisfied it will work well. Producing performance exhaust systems for cars involves much more than just bending tubes.
Sure, I agree 110% on it not being just beding tubes. Only, they do not bench-test cars with their exhaust, so they do not really know if it works well, if you know what I mean.
Oh, you are so, so WRONG with that statement. Milltek certainly do test their exhausts. They repeatedly run them on a rolling road dyno, and constantly tweak the spec, not only for "performance", but also for clearance, and general fit and finish.
Milltek are extremely highly regarded, thoughout the entire aftermarket and tuning sectors of the motor industry, be that Volkswagen or Vauxhall, that their products are consistently the best finished, in terms of quality, fit, sound, and performance. Milltek have built up such an enviable reputation, you can be assured that they are a fit first time, and forget product. (Unlike something else listed in this thread title :wink:)
I do not think I am wrong, TT.
THis is from their webpage:
If you’ve a new model of car and want an after-market exhaust,
then Milltek Sport may be your only choice: it’s quick to develop
them for the latest models. But even if you don’t have a new car
there are plenty of good reasons to choose the UK brand.
The company started as six enthusiasts making stainless
exhausts for classic cars in the south-west of England. Now the
team has grown to 45 operating from two sites in the Midlands.
Aircraft-grade 304 stainless steel discolours less than many
types because it’s anti-magnetic. All Milltek systems are made
entirely from this material, including the internals and clamps.
When pipework needs to be shaped it’s done with mandrel
bends – these mean it’s not crushed so it retains the same cross
section throughout the curve, which gives the best gas flow. The
exhausts have a bigger bore than original, and increase both peak
performance and mid-range torque.
MD Phil Millington is keen to stress this: ‘Take the BMW 335i
fitted with our system. The peak power is increased by only
21bhp, but the improvement in mid-range torque means it’s a real
rocket. The systems we make for road cars are designed to be
just that. They give real-world improvements in the cars. They
feel quicker and drive better than standard.’ He’s keen to mention
the firm’s reputation for excellent customer service, too.
Their exhausts are quality products – as good as original,
claims Milltek – and that means they’re easier to fit than many
competitors. A full system for a Porsche 911 GT3 will set you
back a not insignificant £3995, but that includes manifolds.
Milltek Sport’s range doesn’t include cat bypass pipes.
Although these are cheaper, and will give better performance
than high-flow sports catalytic converters, the firm doesn’t
include them because cars without cats aren’t generally good for
the environment. They’re often illegal, too.
Everything is designed and made at their factory in Ilkeston,
Derbyshire. Significantly, the firm doesn’t use a dyno when
developing its exhausts. It has the knowledge and experience to
build good systems without it. Plus, as they’re often designing
systems for the latest cars it’s often the case that engine
mapping specialists haven’t managed to ‘crack’ the ECUs yet, so
the cars can’t be remapped. Milltek Sport knows that most
owners getting an exhaust will get their car remapped, too, and is
confident their products will work extremely well when they do.
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With respect to Revo - I think you will find that most Revo customers are true "enthusiats", whereas SuperChips customers tend to be more of the "rep-mobile" brigade, and seem more gullable (no offence to you personally, Russ).
No offence taken, in my case I would definately agree with that, I definately wouldn't call myself an enthusiast, this was my first re-map experience and I only keep my cars for three years, so maybe if the Superchips product does let me down on the ED30, I may look at Revo in the future.... :wink:
Hopefully it won't let me down though! A guy I work with has had a Superchip on his RS Focus for over two years and has never had an issue, I'll take some comfort from that seen as you have destroyed my confidence in Superchips TT!! :grin: But seriously, thanks for the information it really helps a beginner like me! :smiley:
No worries. If it is ok in the Focus chavmobile, lets hope it's fine in yours too. :wink: :grin:
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Significantly, the firm doesn’t use a dyno when
developing its exhausts. It has the knowledge and experience to
build good systems without it. Plus, as they’re often designing
systems for the latest cars it’s often the case that engine
mapping specialists haven’t managed to ‘crack’ the ECUs yet, so
the cars can’t be remapped. Milltek Sport knows that most
owners getting an exhaust will get their car remapped, too, and is
confident their products will work extremely well when they do.
Hmmmm, why is it, then, when you actually talk to them at shows like Inters, they go on about dyno testing, and tweaking this and that!
Either way, they are still one of the best aftermarket zorsts out there!
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Ford Focus = :sick: I just don't get why people would want to buy any hothatch other than the original and the best - the Golf GTI. Then again, I suppose someone's got to drive the shyte cars just like someones got to clean toilets at Euston train station...
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Significantly, the firm doesn’t use a dyno when
developing its exhausts. It has the knowledge and experience to
build good systems without it. Plus, as they’re often designing
systems for the latest cars it’s often the case that engine
mapping specialists haven’t managed to ‘crack’ the ECUs yet, so
the cars can’t be remapped. Milltek Sport knows that most
owners getting an exhaust will get their car remapped, too, and is
confident their products will work extremely well when they do.
Hmmmm, why is it, then, when you actually talk to them at shows like Inters, they go on about dyno testing, and tweaking this and that!
Either way, they are still one of the best aftermarket zorsts out there!
It is!
And also if they have full system for normal GTI, they gotta have one for Ed.30 because it is more "premium" than GTI!
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Had this back from Milltek today, no mention of when its released though!
Hi Russell,
Many thanks for your interest in Milltek Sport products. The Golf MK5 GTI
will fit the Edition 30, but we will be developing a bespoke downpipe for
systems running over 300bhp.
If you would like to order one, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Kind regards,
Sales Team
Milltek Sport
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Had this back from Milltek today, no mention of when its released though!
Hi Russell,
Many thanks for your interest in Milltek Sport products. The Golf MK5 GTI
will fit the Edition 30, but we will be developing a bespoke downpipe for
systems running over 300bhp.
If you would like to order one, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Kind regards,
Sales Team
Milltek Sport
WILL be developing? :sad: and when WILL it de developed?
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WILL be developing? :sad: and when WILL it de developed?
....Like any good company that cares, Milltek won't release a new product until they are satisfied with it working well. Creating performance exhausts for new cars involves much more than just bending pipe!
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WILL be developing? :sad: and when WILL it de developed?
....Like any good company that cares, Milltek won't release a new product until they are satisfied with it working well. Creating performance exhausts for new cars involves much more than just bending pipe!
You've already said that before.
I was just a bit impatient there. I can wait no problem.
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You've already said that before.
I was just a bit impatient there. I can wait no problem.
....Sorry if I've repeated myself - I post on several forums and sometimes lose track of what I've written where!
:smiley:
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You've already said that before.
I was just a bit impatient there. I can wait no problem.
....Sorry if I've repeated myself - I post on several forums and sometimes lose track of what I've written where!
:smiley:
no problem whatsoeva! :smiley:
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Can one not use VAG-COM to reset the number of 'remaps', os that even if a technician decides to look, it would still read as having no remaps ?
I don't have a VAG-COM, so I have no idea really, thought one of you knowledgable chaps might know...
thanks
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Hmmmm.....would be interesting to know if it was possible. I've ordered my lead off Rhyso and can't wait to play! :nerd:
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Can one not use VAG-COM to reset the number of 'remaps', os that even if a technician decides to look, it would still read as having no remaps ?
I don't have a VAG-COM, so I have no idea really, thought one of you knowledgable chaps might know...
thanks
This would fall in to the history log of the car which you cant change :cry:
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Oh well, just have to accept any consequences of stealers spotting it.
Still can't decide on blufin or revo...and how many miles I should wait before doing so...