ED. 30 307BHP Bluefin article.

[Russ.C]

have you had a bad experience with superchips?

[GTI CV7]

have you had a bad experience with superchips?

I have... admittedly on a MK5 Golf Diesel. The 'improvements' were fantastic in the short term, unfortunately the turbo paid the price:cry:

[Russ.C]

did you claim on the superchips warranty for the repairs? they say anything not covered by the VW warranty they will cover - if its down to the chip. besides I didn't think the chip was detectable by VW if you program the standard program back from the bluefin..so if the turbo goes, how would they know it was down to a chip?

[Peskarik]

Att.: TT

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What???

Want me to say sommat ?

I wanted to say that they change more than boost,

They may claim to alter more than boost, but in reality, they are not technically competent enough with the MED9 to alter anything but boost.  Their dyno graphs, and their "customer feedback" and reviews merely confirm that.

and their service, IF something happens ot your bluefin, is great. I've seen a couple posts where people had problems with bluefin, and the company solved them, and they actually wanted to solve them!

That is exactly my point.  They are pushing an underdeveloped product - complete with added problems.  If you think that someone offers you good service by attempting to rectify a shoddy product . . . . why did they not get the product spot on from the start.  It just about sums up the attitude of SuperChips - get the stuff out at as cheaply as possible, with the absolute minimum amount of development, and then if anyone does happen to complain, try to sort it out afterwards.


Revo or Oettinger or MTM don't have such problems, nor does Milltek!  They all make sure their products are fully developed and tested BEFORE releasing them to the paying public.  Revo, Oettinger and MTM also don't have to divert their time and effort on Chavmobiles like the Focus, or truely hideous turds like Kias - they just specialise in VAG products, and their reputations speak for themselves.  They don't have to come out with deceitful adverts either, like SuperChips!

I am not a spokesperson for Superchips. I believe there is margin of error in all products, including Oetinger etc. I'm telling you, people use REVO and then their DVs pack up. Also, TT, I do not know much about remaps, but don't they all in the end mean increased boost pressure? I kinda like the power/torque curves of Zuperchips, I don't like spikes like others have.

[Peskarik]

did you claim on the superchips warranty for the repairs? they say anything not covered by the VW warranty they will cover - if its down to the chip. besides I didn't think the chip was detectable by VW if you program the standard program back from the bluefin..so if the turbo goes, how would they know it was down to a chip?

number of remaps is recorded by onboard computer, by ECU. 
If they check - they will know.

[topher]

I am not a spokesperson for Superchips. I believe there is margin of error in all products, including Oetinger etc. I'm telling you, people use REVO and then their DVs pack up. Also, TT, I do not know much about remaps, but don't they all in the end mean increased boost pressure? I kinda like the power/torque curves of Zuperchips, I don't like spikes like others have.

the dv's pack up because the vag ones are rubbish, it was the first thing i changed on my car even before the remap and turbo swap.

Typically we will change about 35 different tables in a standard remap. Of which load, boost, timing, and fuel are all adjusted as well as the variable cam timing. Some tuners change only one table while most others no more than 6. By increasing one table it may be indirectly increasing another table and causing it to "max out" or be at the limit of the table. This effectively leaves this table ineffective in providing necessary data for the control systems. We have the ability to rescale any table to add to its range. We have many proprietary methods and programs that we use to make the most powerful and smoothest software available.

should help explain why some are better than others..

no i'm not a spokesperson for revo either

[Teutonic_Tamer]

did you claim on the superchips warranty for the repairs? they say anything not covered by the VW warranty they will cover - if its down to the chip. besides I didn't think the chip was detectable by VW if you program the standard program back from the bluefin..so if the turbo goes, how would they know it was down to a chip?

The "actual" remap might not be detectable, but the EPROM records the number of times it has been reflashed, irrespective of weather it was BlueBollox, or the more conventional means of flashing.  A simple history check on the VW central 'puter will detail the previous occurances of "official" re-flashes, from the VW main stealer network - and the discrepance will be clear to see. 

It would be much better to only use the proven, reputable maps from the dedicated VAG independent specialists - at least these are a known quantity.  And like I said before, Oettinger stuff has official TuV approval, too.

Trying to "hide" stuff from VW will get you no where!

[Russ.C]

Thanks for putting me straight there! Every days a school day!

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I am not a spokesperson for Superchips.

No one said you were - this is just a general discussion, with some "home truths", which some peeps find difficult to accept.

For the record, I don't have any connections, commercial or otherwise, with any company or product either.

I believe there is margin of error in all products, including Oetinger etc.

You are absolutley correct.  However, it is the "width" of the margin that should be questioned, and with SuperSh!ts, that width is about as wide as the Atlantic Ocean!  And don't forget the lies that SuperChips quote in their advertising!  And what about any independent quality testing - SuperChips has none, Oettinger has TuV.   

I'm telling you, people use REVO and then their DVs pack up.

And . . . a DV is quite a bit cheaper than a $hagged turbo, where Super$h!ts seem to excell.

Also, TT, I do not know much about remaps, but don't they all in the end mean increased boost pressure?

Fine - I'm no "expert", either.  However, I do understand the requirements, of ALL the various functions of an engine management ECU.  I understand the importance of multi-layer 3D mapping, and also dynamic mapping, not only for the obvious fuel delivery and ignition, but also "requested" throttle, "actual" throttle, WOT parameters, requested boost, actual boost, requested advance or retard, actual advance or retard, knock sensing, knock parameters, ambient air temperature, induction air temp, coolant temp, oil temp, EGR mode, lambda values, ancillary loading, battery voltage - etcetera, etcetera.  What all that basically means is there is a whole raft of infinately variable parameters to adjust - even on the basic VW OEM maps.

Your comment on boost pressures - like I said in the above paragraph, increased boost alone is NOT enough, to correctly and FULLY alter a map successfully.  Yet, I state again, all the evidence proves with little doubt, that SuperChips ONLY increase boost.  And that, in the medium to long term, is a recipee for potential major component failure.

I kinda like the power/torque curves of Zuperchips, I don't like spikes like others have.

OK, fine.  I'm not trying to tell you what you should and shouldn't like!

However, regarding spikes - two issues, and it may seem that I am completely contradicting myself.  Firstly, some spikes can be good, but only in certain circumstances.  And the amplitude, or size of the spikes must be small.  Spikes with the depth of the Grand Canyon are not good.  Why are spikes good?  They allow tyres that are struggling for traction to momentarily regain grip, hence regain traction.  Spikes are best used on vehicles with no Traction Control (TC) systems.  They can also be used on cars with relatively "lax" or liberal TC systems, such as on the GTI, and most BMWs.  Spikes are a bad thing on cars with early intervention TC systems, such as modern Fords, Vauxhalls, most scandanavian originated cars, and general mass-market family or luxury orientated brands.

Secondly, SuperSh!ts also have spikes.  They have big spikes on cars that don't need spikes, because of the cars early intervention TC.  A classic example is a non-turbo Vectra GSi (complete with early intervention TC).  When I carefully studied overlay dyno graphs, firstly I noticed that both power and torque curves had more peaks and troughs than a Hugh Heffner bunny girl party (yes, that was my quote, from a previous thread on the same subject), but there was also a dramatic loss of mid range power/torque.  This wasn't a development map - this was their final finished map, to go on sale to the unfortunate paying public.

But hey, if you like SuperChips, then go with them, and enjoy (whilst it lasts)!

[Teutonic_Tamer]

the dv's pack up because the vag ones are rubbish, it was the first thing i changed on my car even before the remap and turbo swap.

Interesting!  What about the integrated valves on the 2litre FSI turbo, though?  Heard of any probs with these yet?

Typically we will change about 35 different tables in a standard remap. Of which load, boost, timing, and fuel are all adjusted as well as the variable cam timing. Some tuners change only one table while most others no more than 6. By increasing one table it may be indirectly increasing another table and causing it to "max out" or be at the limit of the table. This effectively leaves this table ineffective in providing necessary data for the control systems. We have the ability to rescale any table to add to its range. We have many proprietary methods and programs that we use to make the most powerful and smoothest software available.

should help explain why some are better than others..

no i'm not a spokesperson for revo either

Great detailed quote from Revo - thanks.    It should be surgically implanted into everyones brain!   

It sort of vindicates what I have been saying for a long time on here!