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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: micalee on 15 February 2007, 10:08
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I am posting this here as i have had no joy on "Garage"
I was under the impression that a new car would need an oil change prior to 5000miles. Remember reading the arguments on here reference whether it should be 3000 or 5000 miles.
Anyway, rang a local dealer to enquire on the price and he said that my car does not need an oil change until the light comes on and as a guide it is either 1 yr or 10,000 miles!
So do i wait till 10,000 miles or get it done at 5000 miles (he also went on about long life oil)
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yeah same here !
I have just about 900 miles on the clock and I will start opening her up a bit now
But yeah the oil thing worries me !
Daz
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I'm on the annual Time/Distance servicing regime but will get an oil change done this week at 3000 miles.
Old school :rolleyes:
Cass
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So i understand from what the VW Mechanic said, that all new Golfs are set up on the "time/distance" service, so why would you change oil at 3000miles? He recons that there is no need!
I was fully prepared to get the oil changed but would leaving it until 10000miles make much difference?
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Well up until two weeks ago I was in the same quandary, my car was on variable service, but IÂ’d prefer fixed, so I had the car serviced at 7400 miles which was exactly one year from when I bought it, while it was in the dealers, I had them set it to fixed service schedule.
A personal thing, but I didnÂ’t like the idea of going for nearly 20K on the same oil.
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On my new RS focus when i bought it new. I changed the oil and filter my self at 5000 miles then got the annual service when it was done again, around 10500. I did the same around 15000 and then again during the service at 2 years.
I like to change the oil every 3-5k on performance cars, it keeps things fresh and running smoothly and I will be doing the same with my edition 30 when i eventually get it :wink:
I changed the oil every 1000 miles in my Exige, but that was because it was used on the track a lot.
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I'm also in the Time/Distance intervals.
Just after the car was new, checked the SID, worked out total distance the 'puter had worked out, halved the mileage and did my own oil change. But that was because I have my own bulk supply of Castrol LongLife oil. :nerd:
Irrespective of when you change the oil, even if you personally drop the intervals to 3-5k miles, you must always use the proper spec LongLife oil. It may be a few bob more than the non-LongLife oil, but the LongLife stuff is actually rated at a higher temperature than non-LongLife stuff - pretty vital for turbo motors, especially when you "take advantage" of the available performance! :wink:
Any more oil Qs - ask away!
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I've had my GTI for about 2 months and done circa 1800 miles so far. I was a bit shocked when I checked the oil level at the weekend that it was edging towards the min mark :shocked: Is it normal for the FSI turbo engines to get through oil like its going out of fashion? - I've come to expect it a bit on my mr2 and wondered if it was the same with the gti, or is it just the first couple of thousand miles?
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I've had my GTI for about 2 months and done circa 1800 miles so far. I was a bit shocked when I checked the oil level at the weekend that it was edging towards the min mark :shocked: Is it normal for the FSI turbo engines to get through oil like its going out of fashion? - I've come to expect it a bit on my mr2 and wondered if it was the same with the gti, or is it just the first couple of thousand miles?
I'd say it was perfectly normal, mine used about 1 ltr in the first 2000 miles, and now hardly uses a drop.
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Have peeps forgotten how to use a dipstick on a regular basis??? :wink: :rolleyes:
You really should keep it topped up to the max, especially if you like giving it large! :nerd:
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Have peeps forgotten how to use a dipstick on a regular basis??? :wink: :rolleyes:
You really should keep it topped up to the max, especially if you like giving it large! :nerd:
I have been checking it every couple of weeks but it seems to have shot down in the last fortnight :sad:
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Does the GTi have an oil level warning light?
Not that I'd rely on it, just seam to remember reading it in the handbook.
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Does the GTi have an oil level warning light?
Not that I'd rely on it, just seam to remember reading it in the handbook.
It does have an oil level sensor, though in my experience, the bu&&ers don't work properly!! :nerd:
You'll find (if you are lucky) the light will come on when the level is at minimum. That might be fine for gently cruising down arrow-straight roads, tootling along at 2,000rpm, but we don't drive our GTIs like that. :wink:
On my S4, when the light came on, there was not a drop registering on the dipstick - way below the minimum!!! :sick: :sick:
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Does the GTi have an oil level warning light?
Not that I'd rely on it, just seam to remember reading it in the handbook.
It does have an oil level sensor, though in my experience, the bu&&ers don't work properly!! :nerd:
You'll find (if you are lucky) the light will come on when the level is at minimum. That might be fine for gently cruising down arrow-straight roads, tootling along at 2,000rpm, but we don't drive our GTIs like that. :wink:
On my S4, when the light came on, there was not a drop registering on the dipstick - way below the minimum!!! :sick: :sick:
Bit late by then, shame really as it could have been usefull, had it gave a decent EARLY warning :sad:
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A most useful thread :smiley:
I too was wondering about oil consumption, changes and type as I have been running diesels for a while now.
So it looks like the checklist is:-
* Check dipstick every week for the first couple of thousand miles
* Change oil and filter at around every 5k between fixed services (which is what I have chosen too)
* Keep oil level at top section of dipstick
* Always use recommended oil.
Thanks for the info guys :smiley:
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A most useful thread :smiley:
I too was wondering about oil consumption, changes and type as I have been running diesels for a while now.
So it looks like the checklist is:-
* Check dipstick every week for the first couple of thousand miles
* Change oil and filter at around every 5k between fixed services (which is what I have chosen too)
* Keep oil level at top section of dipstick
* Always use recommended oil.
Thanks for the info guys :smiley:
And a brilliant, concise conclusion, although, for me to be a little pedantic, I'd suggest checking oil dipstick every week, for as long as you own the car! :wink:
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I'm getting bored of typing this but ..................
........... as I'm still without a manual, could someone answer a really noddy question :rolleyes:
wht type of oil should I be using to top up - can I just get anything which says longlife on it from my local BP, or should it be anything in particluar?
Cheers
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Use Castrol SLX longlife 3 (http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/Longlife_servicing.pdf)
I have done 12000 from new and have added (over time) in total 1litre of this oil. I have always tried to keep the dipstick level on max, but never let it fall below 3/4.
Just checked my service interval (turn on ignition, wait for a few seconds until its finished with the opening message, then hold trip reset button until the service interval display appears. First in miles, then in days) I have 1300 miles or 184 days.
I'm averaging 34mpg day to day and high 30's on long trips (and that's not hanging around -by my standards anyway!!)
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I'm getting bored of typing this but ..................
........... as I'm still without a manual, could someone answer a really noddy question :rolleyes:
wht type of oil should I be using to top up - can I just get anything which says longlife on it from my local BP, or should it be anything in particluar?
Do NOT use any old longlife oil! A BMW, or Vauxhall longlife is completely different to a VAG LongLife oil!!
Use only oils which meet the VW standard 504.00, 503.00, 503.01 - period. Anything else, and you will void your warranty, and VW will analyse the oil for any engine related warranty claim!
Rgds
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I'm getting bored of typing this but ..................
........... as I'm still without a manual, could someone answer a really noddy question :rolleyes:
wht type of oil should I be using to top up - can I just get anything which says longlife on it from my local BP, or should it be anything in particluar?
Cheers
Did you nit get a spare litre, in a nice little pouch, in the boot?
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Did you nit get a spare litre, in a nice little pouch, in the boot?
Only VWs on LongLife servicing get the "free" oil in the boot. If you ask for time/distance servicing, the tight g!ts don't provide the freebie! :sad:
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Did you nit get a spare litre, in a nice little pouch, in the boot?
Only VWs on LongLife servicing get the "free" oil in the boot. If you ask for time/distance servicing, the tight g!ts don't provide the freebie! :sad:
Tight wads, no harm in mixing long life with time and distance oil is there??
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Tight wads, no harm in mixing long life with time and distance oil is there??
It won't do any "harm" as such - but the LongLife oil is actually rated to a higher temperature, which is pretty handy for turbos :wink:
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Tight wads, no harm in mixing long life with time and distance oil is there??
It won't do any "harm" as such - but the LongLife oil is actually rated to a higher temperature, which is pretty handy for turbos :wink:
Reason I ask, is I've just had the car set to yearly service, so I'd imagine the dealer used the lower spec oil, but I have 2 bottles of the good stuff. Good for topping up :wink:
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I'm averaging 34mpg day to day and high 30's on long trips (and that's not hanging around -by my standards anyway!!)
I'm lucky if I can average in the 30s on long trips - it tends to be 26-28 day to day :sad:
Did you nit get a spare litre, in a nice little pouch, in the boot?
Only VWs on LongLife servicing get the "free" oil in the boot. If you ask for time/distance servicing, the tight g!ts don't provide the freebie! :sad:
I went into VW to check my service regime and they told me it was default on longlife when new - I suppose the lack of spare oil is another one of the joys of buying an import :sad:
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laney, i also average 27-28 round town and mid 30's on a run, that is always been the cars bug bear as to every time you wanna take it out, im always looking down at the dam fuel gauge watching it drop really quick.
i have to be honest, have been eyeing up the new seat leon FR with the 140bhp diesel lump, good write up, looks the mutz nutz, but havent driven one yet. fuel figures say a return of 44mpg round town and over 50 on a run. visit www.seat.co.uk and have a look at the FR SERIES leon.I dont wanna let the gti go cus its the best ever ive had , but cant get over the fact of putting in over £30 a week to struggle to get 200 miles in return. :undecided:
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I suppose the lack of spare oil is another one of the joys of buying an import :sad:
I'm sure you can afford the £12-13 (retail) for a litre of oil out of the ~£3K saving you got buying an import :wink:
BTW Castrol SLX Longlife II oil is now called Castrol Edge 5w/30 just in case you don't see Longlife II.
There's a list of approved oils at http://www.briskoda.net/forums/new-octavia/what-oils-meets-specs-vw-504-00-507-00-a/55476/ (http://www.briskoda.net/forums/new-octavia/what-oils-meets-specs-vw-504-00-507-00-a/55476/) (don't know how accurate) but make sure you check the bottle for the magic VW approval. They all cost about the same so I'd stick with the Castrol stuff.
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Tight wads, no harm in mixing long life with time and distance oil is there??
It won't do any "harm" as such - but the LongLife oil is actually rated to a higher temperature, which is pretty handy for turbos :wink:
Reason I ask, is I've just had the car set to yearly service, so I'd imagine the dealer used the lower spec oil, but I have 2 bottles of the good stuff. Good for topping up :wink:
The dealer shouldn't have put anything other than the proper LongLife oil in it, even though they changed the regime to time/distance - note the underlined bit though - with main dealers, anything is possible!
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I'm averaging 34mpg day to day and high 30's on long trips (and that's not hanging around -by my standards anyway!!)
I'm lucky if I can average in the 30s on long trips - it tends to be 26-28 day to day :sad:
Did you nit get a spare litre, in a nice little pouch, in the boot?
Only VWs on LongLife servicing get the "free" oil in the boot. If you ask for time/distance servicing, the tight g!ts don't provide the freebie! :sad:
I went into VW to check my service regime and they told me it was default on longlife when new - I suppose the lack of spare oil is another one of the joys of buying an import :sad:
If you give it beans, I'd recommend going onto 10k miles or 1 year servicing, and getting the dealer to re-code it for time/distance servicing!
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laney, i also average 27-28 round town and mid 30's on a run, that is always been the cars bug bear as to every time you wanna take it out, im always looking down at the dam fuel gauge watching it drop really quick.
Hey Phil, take a look at what I get from my 2003 vintage! :wink: I'm sometimes lucky if I can get 200 miles from 66 litre tank :cry:
i have to be honest, have been eyeing up the new seat leon FR with the 140bhp diesel lump, good write up, looks the mutz nutz, but havent driven one yet. fuel figures say a return of 44mpg round town and over 50 on a run. visit www.seat.co.uk and have a look at the FR SERIES leon.
Seat Leon (any variety) = :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: - ETTO though! :sad:
I did actually have a look at the Leon Cupra - what a $hite interior!
I dont wanna let the gti go cus its the best ever ive had , but cant get over the fact of putting in over £30 a week to struggle to get 200 miles in return. :undecided:
Trouble is, if you do chop your GTI for a sofa, you will forever regret it, and you'll get never-ending ribbing when peeps look at your armchair - and you accidently tell them you used to own a GTI :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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im going out on a test drive for 2 hours on tuesday in the seat leon cupra tdpf170, although its slower to 60 then the gti, figures show that mid range pull is on bar maybe higher then the GTI, and the pull of 46-48 to the gallon town mileage is a pull. It has the full sports kit on also, alot of xtras , brand new for straight swop +cash back. will let you know what i find out when i lay some 2 or 3mm of tread in the Test car! :grin:
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im going out on a test drive for 2 hours on tuesday
That should be just about long enough to empty the tank :wink: :grin:. We await with bated breath your detailed report! :smiley:
in the seat leon cupra tdpf170,
Do they not do one without the particulate filter??
although its slower to 60 then the gti,
You lose in the traffic light grands prix :laugh:
figures show that mid range pull is on bar maybe higher then the GTI,
Trouble with diesels, you will find it running out of steam much earlier than petrols, and you'll be swinging away on the gear lever, like John Travolta look alikes at a '70s disco! :grin: (Unless you can get DSG, which really is made for the 2.0 TDI).
and the pull of 46-48 to the gallon town mileage is a pull.
Aye, no contest there.
It has the full sports kit on also, alot of xtras,
Yebut, it will still be fugly, and will still have less kit than the equivalent Golf!
brand new for straight swop +cash back.
Fook me - that says a lot for the strong GTI residuals, against the appauling residuals of Seats (I think SEat residuals are actually worse than Skoda - just a thought - have you tried the Fabia vRS??)
will let you know what i find out when i lay some 2 or 3mm of tread in the Test car! :grin:
We need pix of canvass showing on the boots :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Hi Guys
Forgive me, but i'm bloody confused with all this Oil talk
Can someone tell me exactly what Oil i should be using in my GTI?
I'm set to a longlife service and i've bought Castrol GTX Magnatec 5w30 from Halfords, They didn't ahve any of the fancy new Edge stuff, I did look for it.
Am I using the correct Oil or not??
Thanks
Confused!
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Hi Guys
Forgive me, but i'm bloody confused with all this Oil talk
Can someone tell me exactly what Oil i should be using in my GTI?
I'm set to a longlife service and i've bought Castrol GTX Magnatec 5w30 from Halfords, They didn't ahve any of the fancy new Edge stuff, I did look for it.
Am I using the correct Oil or not??
Thanks
Confused!
In a word - No. Go get the proper VW approved stuff. Castrol SLX Longlife III, Castrol Edge 5w/30 (the new name) or one of the other VW 504.00 spec oils. Using the wrong oil could cause all sorts of issues if there was an engine warranty claim.
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Been working so I haven't had the chance to comment on oil changes. I took my GTi in for its only service while I had it at around 22500 miles after about 19 months. It was set at the factory to the long life service and I used V.W oil, the service cost about £180 altogether from what I recall. I asked the Service Manager his opinion on long life and he said it was fine if set by the factory. So I guess my Edition 30 will be treat the same being as I had no problems on the other Gti
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Just to update on progress, bad move this!
took the missus to the seat dealership to see the leon FR 170TDI, Her verdict was, dont like it, sat in it briefy and thats the conclusion that she came too, so then just as we are about to leave, she spots a jet black SEAT ALTEA, limited edition, all bells and whistles, now she liked the look of this cus its bigger inside then the golf and leon, has very good spec, for £16995, so bang goes my fast ride!!, gonna loose the GTI by the looks of it...... but then..........BRAINWAVE!, i asked the dealer "do u do this in an FR spec???, oh yes we do!!!, so shes gonna get here Housing estate carrier whilst at the same time i get the "daddy cool" version that has all the noobs the leon has and some more extras to boot and does between 40 and 50 to the gallon which is what started all this off about thew cost of running the GTI..I will say though, We do have to think ahead cus she is 13 weeks pregnant, so expecting 2nd and LAST child by september. They have offered me £18500 for my 05 gti, and will get straight in a brand spanker with 12 weeks wait for it, so will enjoy her for a while longer. oh and now test drive tuesday is now in an ALTEA FR instead of leons version.
also , will add, surprising ammount of GOLF dash parts in view i recongised!, even the sat is the same mfd2 dvd type!, swich gear, better radio and mp3 player, same multifuntion computer etc etc, good reviews from what ive read so i hope this is the right thing to do.
i will miss her when shes gone, and will never forget of being lucky enough to have owned one :cry:
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Can someone tell me exactly what Oil i should be using in my GTI?
I'm set to a longlife service and i've bought Castrol GTX Magnatec 5w30 from Halfords, They didn't ahve any of the fancy new Edge stuff, I did look for it.
Am I using the correct Oil or not??
Absolutely not. Take the oil back to Halfrauds and demand your money back. If they refuse, quote the Sale of Goods Act, specifically the term "fit for its' purpose". The maganatec range is semi-synthetic, and is NOT suitable for the GTI on LongLife. The only oils you should use in your GTI on LongLife are oils which meet the VW standards 504.00, or 503.00, or 503.01. If the oil does not have any of those approvals on the bottle, it is NOT fit for your GTI, and the muppets at Halfrauds should know better.
As farina stated, Castrol SLX LongLife III, now replaced by Castrol EDGE 5w30, and Castrol SLX LongLife II should all be stocked by Halfrauds. Don't use Comma or Mobil 1 oils either!
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I took my GTi in for its only service while I had it at around 22500 miles after about 19 months.
That has gone over mileage!!! The LongLife service regime, and warranty, covers flexible service intervals of UP TO 24 months, or 20,000 miles - whichever occurs sooner! I would seriously consider speaking to the Service Manager. Maybe the SID was incorrectly coded on the PDI, either way, if you need to make a warranty claim, be prepared for a fight!
It was set at the factory to the long life service and I used V.W oil, the service cost about £180 altogether from what I recall.
Sounds quite reasonable. What neck of the woods are you from?
I asked the Service Manager his opinion on long life and he said it was fine if set by the factory. So I guess my Edition 30 will be treat the same being as I had no problems on the other Gti
I personally would never run a "high performance" motor on LongLife servicing. Remember, the LongLife system was developed for "run of the mill" rep-mobiles, and not high performance motors, and the bean counters and fleet management companies, to minimise their costs. They will then get rid of them after three years, having only paid for one service, and not giving a monkies about the future reliability.
Grab any up-to-date Audi brochure, and they now categorically state that LongLife is NOT suitable for, amongst many other reasons, high performance motors, - and so are on the standard time/distance servicing!
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Grab any up-to-date Audi brochure, and they now categorically state that LongLife is NOT suitable for, amongst many other reasons, high performance motors, - and so are on the standard time/distance servicing!
So you'd definitely agree that time/distance is recommended?
Mine is currently set to long life - would there be any issues getting it changed to time/distance say when I get the oil done at 5000 miles? Or should I have had this done when I first got it? :undecided:
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Grab any up-to-date Audi brochure, and they now categorically state that LongLife is NOT suitable for, amongst many other reasons, high performance motors, - and so are on the standard time/distance servicing!
So you'd definitely agree that time/distance is recommended?
Well . . . . without knowing exactly what motor you drive ( :wink: I could guess it is a Golf GTI, however, other peeps on these boards seem to be running TDIs, Polos etc - as well as GTIs !!! :wink: - hint: update your signature, so we have to guess no longer :wink: :wink: :smiley: :smiley:) - and, how you drive, I can't make a definate recommendation!
If it is a GTI, and you drive it as it was meant to be - then yes - abso-fookin-lutely - get off LongLife and go onto time/distance, which just to remind everyone is up to 12 months or up to 10,000 miles, whichever occurs soonest. (Whereas LongLife is upto 24 months or up to 20,000 miles).
Mine is currently set to long life - would there be any issues getting it changed to time/distance say when I get the oil done at 5000 miles?
In a word - yes! It is highly unlikely the stealer will be able to work out how to re-code the SID correctly (they have to manually input the correct number of days, and miles, and because they are only used to inserting either 365 or 720 days, they may run out of fingers and toes to add up on :grin:) - so whoever does an oil change at 5k miles (do it yourself - 19mm hex for the sump plug, 36mm hex for the oil filter!), tell them not to re-program the SID. Then, when 12months or 10k miles aproaches, book it in to VW/Seat/Skoda/Audi garage for the 10k service, and tell them to re-program the next service for time/distance.
Or should I have had this done when I first got it? :undecided:
Yes, but it is too late now - stable doors and horses running wild come to mind!
This seems to be the one crucial area which many VW dealers seem to lag behind their Audi dealer collegues on. Ever since VAG introduced the LongLife / variable servicing option, Audi dealers were always advising high performance models not to use LongLife. Indeed, the last model S3 (8L), and the TT 225 were never allowed to go on LongLife. The new Audi brochures have quite clear advice on how to choose which regime to use, but the info from VW is severly lacking!
BTW, great Avatar :wink: :smiley:
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My first service was done at 20,150 miles ( the computer said it had another 1000 before it needed it...) ....beginning to worry that this will have caused damage ...I did ring the dealer a month or two before to check and they kept saying it was totally fine and it was long life oil.
Has anyone else had their GTI go this long before it needed it's first long life service ?
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Just to clarify, as i seem to be having a dumb day, should a GTi on T+D servicing use longlife oil?
If not, what oil?
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Just to clarify, as i seem to be having a dumb day, should a GTi on T+D servicing use longlife oil?
If not, what oil?
Quoting from my manual (section 3.3 for the GTi engine) states that for cars without LongLife service the oil should be VW 501 01, VW 502 00 or VW 504 00 spec.
So you don't have to use the longlife stuff but I would.
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My first service was done at 20,150 miles ( the computer said it had another 1000 before it needed it...) ....beginning to worry that this will have caused damage ...I did ring the dealer a month or two before to check and they kept saying it was totally fine and it was long life oil.
Your OK. The VW Warranty allows a certain "grace" period. If my memory serves me well, you are allowed upto 1000miles or 30 days, beyond the "due" date or miles (and yes, the ECU does keep a record of how overdue the service was carried out). Therefore, if you are on LongLife service, you could technically go up to 21,000 miles, or 25 months, from DoR/last service, and the warranty would still be honoured - don't take the p!$$ though! :shocked:
Regarding the GTI being on the LongLife regime, enough as been said on this very thread regarding the "merits" and "de-merits". I'll get a headache if I keep bashing my head on the wall :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Rgds