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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Hotshot 5 on 04 September 2006, 07:23
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Does anyone have the latest infors on this 30th Edition model? Reported that is going to have an electro differential. Any truth in it, when is it launching & is it a limited production model. Thank you.
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Called my dealer last week, he could only confirm that it'll be here next year, I asked if I could put a deposit down, and he wouldn't take it, which suggests that maybe it hasn't been 100% finalised.
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Nope the answer is that it's 100% a goer as I have put my name down for one today - more news as it comes :wink:
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Really Doc?! :angry: I rang my dealer a couple of days ago and they told me that although they had some info on it, there was no definite confirmation and while they would put me on the top of the list - being a confirmed Golf GTI nutter - there was no list at present.... who's your dealer?
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Well I rang Benfield of Newcastle but they don't have any definite confirmation as yet - or so the sales guy told me. I also rang Pullman and the sales guy Anthony Wilson said he wasn't sure but would call me back today - I'm not holding my breath! :grin:
Maybe they put your name down on an unoffical list - i.e. to be added onto a proper list when the Anniversary becomes available? :rolleyes:
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I will have the first car available at my dealership :wink:
We're trading in the missus GT TDi with them also to get a 2.0 turbo EOS.
Details are not confirmed for car BUT IT IS going to be built and the second there available to order mine will be ordered!
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I did the same thing a couple of weeks back, putting my 55 GTI in against one, so I'll be the first to gets my mitts on one up here too!
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Rang that guy myself at Gilbert Lawton, don't live far away from Manchester - I am now number three on the list - I am buggered if they only get two in !! - anyhow, this means I will have to sell my second kidney and go on dialysis to pay for it !!!!
Not sure about black alloys though - I like the R32 alloys better - maybe I can swap them :rolleyes:?
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Now then, The car is listed on vw ordering screens but not available to order yet. no details at all on the car but as soon as i found any then i will post them on here. It's marked as Golf special edition on the ordering systems but the second it's available i'll let u guys know.
Is 100% confirmed production and i would guess at ordering commensing as of Nov ish.
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I've just put my name down for one too.
However if it does have black wheels then I get my deposit back.
Here's hoping for some BBS CH's in High Power Silver :wink:
Dave
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Doc,
what is the official colour name of your R32? is it deep blue pearl?
in my opinion i think thats the best colour for the R32, i spose silver is alright but id prefer that on a GTI.
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I'm hoping it may look something like this...............
(http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2290000-2290999/2290222_36_full.jpg)
I could deffo live with Anthracite wheels in a nice BBS multi spoke flavour. Love the above, so if the Anni turns sour with Black rims, I'm looking at a GTi as per above.
I've done lots of searches and can only see on the VWvortex forum review of the Edition 30, that says the black Monza's are not the actual wheels.
Can anyone confirm where they got this source from, ie direct from VW?
Dave
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Deep blue pearl
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Now then, The car is listed on vw ordering screens but not available to order yet. no details at all on the car but as soon as i found any then i will post them on here. It's marked as Golf special edition on the ordering systems but the second it's available i'll let u guys know.
Is 100% confirmed production and i would guess at ordering commensing as of Nov ish.
Liam - or anyone else - have you actually physically seen the product listed on the VW ordering screen? I rang Gilbert Lawton and they were keen to get a deposit from me but when I rang my local VW dealer to cross-check, they couldn't find it on their systems and invited me to come into the showroom so they could show me. However, they did offer to take a deposit of me - probably also to get rid of my incessant calls asking about the Anniversary Edition :grin: - which would mean I would be first on their list. Liam, is it possible that Gilbert Lawton or whoever your source is, is telling porkies to have a handful of ready customers when the Edition 30 comes out? Also, I asked Gilbert Lawton about what their allocation would possible be and they didn't seem to concerned about that - I mean they aren't going to have a limitless supply of these cars so if they take too many deposits, I am sure that some people will be disappointed - or maybe I am wrong? :undecided: Anyway, I am off to my local dealer to hand in my deposit :laugh:
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VW only released a 'design study' for the 30th Anniversary - nothing more. So you are trying to place an order against something that you don't really know what it looks like. So pretty much everything about the spec is going to be vague until it is officially announced. There has also been no mention of whether or not this is a genuine limited production run.
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VW only released a 'design study' for the 30th Anniversary - nothing more. So you are trying to place an order against something that you don't really know what it looks like. So pretty much everything about the spec is going to be vague until it is officially announced. There has also been no mention of whether or not this is a genuine limited production run.
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If thats the case then why are Gilbert Lawton and/or Liam's source - whoever that is - saying that the car is appearing on their product screens??!! :shocked:
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I bet £10000 that I'll get one :grin:
Ill PM me with your number - I'll call you or text you :wink:
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Garage on AT reckons they have allocation of the first two :cool:, and that there will be 400 for UK.
Its all about rims for us, its the mrs car, and the last thing Iwant is another car to start playing with, I know I could go mad on VW GTi's.
That said if the 30th looks crap, it will be a 3dr Steel Grey, with BBS 19's and a re-map for starters.
Have VW confrimed the number of new models to be at the Paris Motorshow?
Dave
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I am not denying the car will appear, just that no one seems to know the spec.
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It will be an allocation car which means that each dealer will only get a couple of orders in a month and if they do more than a couple it will roll over to the next month before they can oredr one. It will be a limited run and there are no details as of yet as to what it will look or go like just rumours.
The car is on Volkswagen screens but not available to order yet, We've had no orders yet soif you want one in yorkshire then you need to get in touch to be the first with the car. Also got no idea how much it will cost yet though,
Also it's not called anniversary on vw just called Golf special edition and that's all it says so far.
It's got to be either the anniversary or the R36!
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Has anything more been said about the R36? Is it a definate model etc?
Dave
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AE has it down as 2007, no month yet.
Will it be at Paris tommorow?
Dave
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Well - just gave my deposit to Wolsey VW in Ipswich for an Anniversary Edition :evil:
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Great, how much did you pay?
Also any news release?
Dave
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Deposit was a standard £500 returnable on the non-appearance of the car but I was planning to change my 06 plater to 07 anyway as I skimped on many options to keep the price down on my 06. They told me that the car was definetly coming out though as they have seen it on one of their databases... as confirmed on this forum... 230ps :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: can't wait.
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No mention of the all important rim colour though :wink:
Dave
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No... there are no details of the car except for what was shown as the Edition 30 study back in April. I have to agree though, those black alloys look really nasty, but then again thats easily rectified! :grin:
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I really cant see the point of trading in a mark 5 gti for the 30th edition one, it has black alloys which most people are saying they dont like, its the exact same spec as current version, has 30 xtra bhp, but you can all ready get that by superchipping your current gti, why go to all that extra expense??. the numbers of these are gonnabe limited to 1 maybe 2 per dealer and thats it, so if you get one you will be very lucky. its gonna cost u atleast 6 grand in trade in dealer to by the new model, i really think you should save your £
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If the Mk4 Anniversary is anything to go by, this should be a special car. Also I can't imagine VW keeping those black alloys after the slating they have got from all quarters. Also, look at the Mk4 Anni resale values against a standard Mk4 1.8T - the difference is huge
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I agree, dissapointed nothing has been mentioned at Paris though.
Is there another major event before the end of the year that VW may preview this car?
Dave
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Any pics of it yet???
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Nope :sad:
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Read this on the Edition38 forum - it was posted today...
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i work at VW Head office and we have been told it's due out early next year and a few are due to be with head office for testing at the end of this year
Knowing VW that will change though
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:laugh: :tongue: :drool: :smug:  :grin: :wink:
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Sounds good. Still saving........... :wink:
Dave
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My piggy bank only has coppers in it at the moment - long way to go :cry: But there again, I do have my Mk5 GTI to part-ex :grin:
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We have a mkiv GT TDi so I need more than coppers :embarassed:
Dave
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Yes... it is going to be painful. But I'ill forget about that when driving it home :drool: :drool:
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Car is 30th anniversary going to be steel grey black or red each dealer will get 2 or 3 cars and that's it. not technically available to order just distributed by vw uk. We've had no deposits so post back to place a deposit with me. Being produced last week of Nov, first deliveries 4 weeks after. yay
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Does it have to have the dark alloys or can u spec siver????
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Anyone got any ideas how much the 30th Edition will cost?
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Hi
I've had a deposit on one of these for a month now - its good to hear some more news about it. My dealer said the best they could tell was delivery sometime next year.
I did give feedback when i placed the deposit - mainly please change the wheels, however more importantly if it was a DSG only was to forget my order and i'll go else where.
Any info on it being manual only.........?
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Contacted my dealer and they have said there is no official word from VW as yet. My own feeling is that a November build would be quite optimistic - Boo!
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Production does start in November, In week 48 which is the 20th of nov onwards. I'm at a dealer, car should be here as of Mid January to ur dealership so should be same for other dealers. No word on Alloy colours or anything yet just that the 3 colours are steel grey, diamond black and tornado red, Which colour will look best? I'd say black. Should imagine will cost bout £22-23k but no news on prices yet.
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Nice one i'm ready to order so will ask tomorrow...
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I've heard the rims are a 18" Pescara style, but not seen any pics yet.
I would of though Feb was more like realistic delivery.
Dave
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Would i be the most popular guy ever if I divulged that my stealer has called me to divulge various details including the price of a 30th Anniversary Golf? Called the Golf Edition 30, just 1500 will be made featuring the same GTi engine but in 230bhp guise, half leather seats, xenons and other bits as standard. I'm going to my dealer tomorrow to get details from the press release which was distributed to dealers only today. Price quoted today was.........i'd love to make you all beg for this.......£22,500.
He reckons order books officially open in Dec with each dealer getting approx 2 cars (this guy confirmed they're getting 2). Delivery is now estimated as April 2007 so working backwards production must be starting first thing 2007. Any orders or deposits paid now will be bagging a place in a dealer queue prior to ordering.
I want to find out how many other toys and gadgets are standard tommorrow and can report back if anyone is interested?
He said that my enquiry if the first they've had on the 30th Edition. Once i've made my decision I could, if wanted, divulge the dealer with at least one unsold Edition 30 and a top notch salesman....
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Good news - thanks :wink:
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Thanks for the update, good news and bad news for me - I went to my stealer today and put a deposit on one, I asked him how many others had done the same - answer 6 :sick: However, he said he would get me one after parting with the deposit.
This is a big stealer - coverage in the Manchester/Cheshire area - so this is going to be interesting :rolleyes:
No impressed if he lets me down !!!!!
Please keep the info comming - you know far more than my stealer
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Doc,
Sounds like the car for me....so if you can source one...
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Ok folks, the bad wheels have gone!!! In place are 18 inch pescara wheels which are siver BBS cross hatch type things. Dark rear R32 lights, side and front lower body colour skirts, various special edition badges and trims, heated front seats with interlagos centres and leather surrounds, golf ball gear knob, 1500 units being mad bot NOT being numbered, can be had in black, white, red, diamond black, reflex silver or steel grey.
Wheels cannot be changed nor can upholstery/seats.
Prices from £22,295 for 3 door manual goin up to £24,125 for 5 door DSG (all OTR).
Official allocation is now one car per dealer with extra orders being first come first served I think.
Available to order from 2/11/06 (but this has already been delayed to Dec), with the on sale date being 12/1/07. Launch vehicles due in the country Jan 2007.
Details will be on the VW website from 30/10/06 but no prices until 3/11/06.
How is that for under cover info?
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My dealer has just phoned me and he is sending the press pack for it.
The car is available in
Black
White,
Silver,
Red,
Gray.
The wheels are 18" Pesccara 14 spoke
All options as per the normal GTI are available except the change of wheels and recaro seats - Hurra get the sunroof.
Comes in Manual (even better!) and DSG.
I Shall post more details once i get the full spec through on Monday unless Laim wants to beat me to it.
Delivery March / April next year?
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Sounds great - mainly for the extra power - think I may have to get the Morego 250!!
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Is this all really true? Heard so many rumors over the past few months only to be told by my dealer that they have not heard anything... still didn't stop them from taking a deposit from me though :grin:
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Illyun, this is the word of the dealer as per VW press release issued yesterday, 26/10/06. Can't comment on accuracy but it is official info.
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Don't take the press long!
http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/1262/
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Just placed and order with £500 deposit. No more news from the dealer than already posted. I'm #2 on the list so fingers crossed it's more than one car per dealer. BTW it was at Benfield at the Sliverlink Newcastle. Is number #1 on list active on the forums.????
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230ps £22295 for 3 door
£23625 for 3dr dsg
£22795 for 5 door
£24125 for 5 door dsg
First cars in dealers dec,
Factory order available 2nd november Delvered friday 12th jan 2007
18" bbs style wheels as standard
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anyone want some pics?
Courtesy of Pistonheads....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/S11EPS/vw_golf_gt1_edition30-2-t.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/S11EPS/vw_golf_gt1_edition30-1-L.jpg)
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Are the wheels silver or black?? Keep hearing mixed messages.
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Silver as above. Black wheels were dropped.
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They look like the are anthracite above or is it my screen?
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Good point. Maybe chromed?
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wheels are anth, (dark sil) if anyone wants one i have an allocation so can get one asap for you. Prob for 12th Jan. There's 1500 cars being produced in black white red black silver and steel grey. The seats are NOT recardo's just basically standard heated ones with leather side boulsters.
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Wheels are deffo photoshop.
The only slight twinge of dissapointment is that they are not producing this car with the half leather / cloth recaros :cry:
wantmygti, Liam_gti - do you guys not get a picture with your press release that you'd like to share with us - even just a wee scanned job?
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Mine is just a black and white print of the above photo. Nothing new to see.
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Put £500 deposit down at last this morning and got #1 allocation. So should be in GTi club sometime in 07 :cool:.
Anyone know if Xenon's are on as standard heard they are from some and are not from others.
Dave
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Think that may be a myth.
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I really like the red stitching on the steering wheel :drool:
1500 in the UK is A LOT so thats good news eg. only 444 Mini GP's were RHD in the world :shocked:
I can't wait :wink:
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im abit relieved that the manual 30th edition is the same speed as my gti dsg currently from a standing start. after parting with £23500 recenty, at least im not gonna feel so at the traffic lights if one comes along side :sick:
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I wouldn't put money on that Phil....
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And you will never do the flying 1st to 2nd CRUNCH lol :grin:
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Doc, if you like red stitching on the wheel get a Polo GTi, dealer showed me they have the red stitching as standard!
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read the topgear report my friend earlier in this topic, only the dsg version is quicker to 60 sprint
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I shouldn't put much trust in official times.
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agreed mate, alot can be down to driver skill!!, so look out Mr 30th aniversary gti, he'll have a job on his hands to get past me!! :wink:
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I have to say I think better value overall is a standrd GTi and get it chipped. Not sure the extra bits are worth the extra £2k.
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Well I just rang my dealer and he doesn't know anything firm as yet - is this a windup ?!!! Can someone actually post photos of these press releases - I am a bit sceptical.
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Illyun, I know your pi**ed with me for nicking that £10 from you but...
...PM me re: R32 for right money :wink:
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Are these the wheels and finish/Colour?
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/DisplayWheel.jsp?wheelMake=BBS&wheelModel=CH&wheelFinish=Plasma
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Not sure. They look similar to those in the picture earlier in the thread but someone said they will dark silver. These look chrome...
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So now we know the finals specs/options etc, what colour are people going to go for from the limited choice?? The lack of dark blue is disappointing. Pearl black seems the best but i bet most of them will turn out black. Silver and grey don't quite work for me....
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Mmm chrome style would be nice indeed.
Well DSG or not, my £800 Tomcat will still leave our new GTi 30th for dead and its 12 years old and a Rover :grin:
Dave
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Hi there
I'm new here - first time i've ever been on a forum! I have been particularly interested with this topic and have been following events as they have unfold. I placed a deposit for an edition 30 gti back in July/August and have been eger for its arrival. Looks like you guys have been looking for pics of the alloy wheels. Well, after some digging about, i have found this (link below). Whether these are legit or not, maybe someone can shed some light!
http://forums.subdriven.com/zerothread?id=2897629
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By the way, pics are right at the bottom of the page! :grin:
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More links (but in German!)
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms_publish/etc/medialib/vwcms/virtualmaster/de/Models/golf0/Golf/media.Par.0057.File.pdf
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Personal thoughts,
Like the wheels, partial leather interlargos seats and golf ball gearleaver, not sure about couler coded spoiler and skirts though.
Extra power as long as it doesn't upset handling is always welcome.
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The official vw release looks like the same pic as posted on this forum, Can't post the spec sheet with all the details of them as i would prob get sacked but i can assure you the wheels look like the last ones posted and the details seem to be correct as i'm working off the officail release that only vw retailers get not the general public. there's only 1500 being produced and each dealer is being auto allocated one car each for december to be in the showroom.
If anyone in the yorkshire area ones one for release day they need to let me know as i can get them one.
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Hi Liam,
What discount can you offer :wink:
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None, sorry
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No worries,
Sure somebody will take you up on your offer.
BTW I am new to this forum but assume you work for a VW dealership in Yorkshire ???
I am looking for a good dealer to service and look after my new baby when it arrives in a couple of months time.
I live in South Yorkshire and have read & heard that most UK VW dealers haven't got the best reputation regarding customer satisfaction ? A point I must agree with regarding most of my recent dealings with VW salesman ( The lack of product knowledge esp).
I realize most VW dealerships are in the volume sales market and I got the feeling they think that the Gti/R32 is a car they can sell without having to seemingly answer my questions. This may be so but is very short sighted on their part as a business as they definitely put me off buying a car through a official UK dealership and giving them my business when it comes to servicing, consequently I am importing one through a broker & saving approx £4,000 off UK list.
Either way as I understand it, dealer's make most of their money through servicing & repair works .... I am not adverse to paying the premium rates charged by main dealerships but in doing so I expect premium treatment.
I am looking at modifying my car with a remap & suspension mods (probably Morego 250 & powergrip suspension kit) & would be interested if you could recommend a dealership who has a flexible approach with a staff who are passionate about cars who will give it some TLC and have a real world view with regards to professional car modifications, Ensuring the ownership experience and consequently my likelihood of buying a MK6 Gti/R32 from them & giving them my servicing/repair business's over many years is enhanced buy my ownership experience of the Mk5.
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(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1226/dsc00376copia1jl.jpg)
(http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/1985/dsc00373edition302tq.jpg)
(http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/5628/dsc00372copia6mi.jpg)
Dave
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Lazerblue, my dealership has a very good service team but no vw dealer would be keen to work on a car that has modifiactions because of the warranty implications. a lot of the lads would be happy to work on the car as they have modified S3's and ibiza cupra's. It's the service managers that would be nervous about working on a modifed car.
In terms of customer service we are second to none as basically any customer we deal with gets a call from vw head office to see if they are happy with the service, if customers are continually unhappy then we as a dealership get fined for poor performance.
I don't think a dealership would want to be involved in helping modify a car but would be happy to service and look after the car on a daily basis.
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Liam - What are the standard spec headlights on this edition :rolleyes:
Are the seat heated (ie winter pack included).
Trying to figure out if I can afford to put Sat-Nav on it (if I don't have to pay extra for the above)
Whilst on the subject - what is the standard sound kit.
Don't want to get you sacked, info just helps me budget (so I know how much to hide from my wife) :grin:
Thanks.
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The literature I have says all options are per standard GTi, but the wheels cannot be changed and nor can the interior trim which features heated seats. Don't think you get the full winter pack, and headlights are therefore non-xenon as standard.
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So you HAVE to have f a b r i c ???
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100% definately, you have to have split leather/fabric seats. No recaro's, no full leather and sadly no alcantara being used.
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So what's going to be the best colour then. Like red but it flat. If the back bumper is now all one colour the lihgter coulours may be improved more.
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:sick: Pi55ed of about the no leather thingy
I'm going to my dealer tomorrow to spec my car
What are you other guys getting on yours?
I will go for xenons and DSG!
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I have a deposit down for one of these, but the leather/fabric combination is a real turn off...
If full leather is not an option my order will be cancelled. :angry:
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Don't under stand. Leather sucks. Looks old, stretched and out of shape by the car is a year old.
Alcantara is the best but the standard cloth is better, lighter (weight wise) and cheaper than leather as far as i'm concerned.
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thats my point on why bother with the edition30 if they are not gonna give it the same toys, ie full leather etc, different wheels, in my opinion ,if you have a desent spec'ed gti already , why trade it, 30hp is easy to have chipped, diffrent wheels, well thats not hard to change , edition 30 badge on boot, well give it 3 months and they will be on sale on ebay for £1, and to the answer of "well its a limited edition" , well so to an extent are the current gti's in such that you have to wait silly weeks for a new one so they are already an exclusive model!. RANT OVER! :cry:.
I Think vw could of and should of done alot better in offering a "limited edition" gti
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I dont think the Edition 30 looks anywhere as good as the normal GTI, maybe it will look better in black as although red is usually my favourite for Mark 5 GTI's it looks gash with everything colour coded.
anyone got an pics of it in black?
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Doc - I am dithering again :sad: - but I think it will be red this time - going for the full Retro Look - dithered about DSG and decided no (to old to change now) - xenons are a must/CD changer/IPOD and dithering about Sat Nav (are they easy to fit ?????).
Hoping to spec mine next week also.
I could also do with seeing one in a different colour (see - still dithering) - No red it is (ho god if is awful) :grin:
Wish they did one in Graphite (like my current one ) - I must stop this or seek help :grin:
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Hmmm have to say - apart from the 230bhp mod - I am a bit underwhelmed/disappointed with what VW are offering. Would a remap take it to the standard 255bhp that Revo Technik offer? If so that would be like the post 2000 150 and 180bhp Mk4 Golf GTI Turbos which both map to around 210bhp. So, if that is the case, that a £499 Revo Technik - or any other for that matter - remap would take both a standard 197bhp Mk5 GTI and a 227bhp Mk5 Edition 30 to approximately 255bhp which makes no real sense. Also, I was planning on recaros - but no recaros available - the alloys aren't that special and certainly not as good as the upgrade that the Mk4 Anniversary enjoyed - even though thay had issues afterwards and they aren't even as nice as the current 18" monza optional alloys. The only thing you seem to be paying for is the Edition 30 badge - which would be worth something if the Mk4 Anniversary residuals are anything to go by - but then the Mk4 Anniversary was NUMBERED and there were only 900 petrol models as opposed to 1500 of the bloody things. There is no limited slip differential that was rumored, so why the hell is this so special?! :angry:
Do VW really think we are that stupid to go for a badge, a bit of leather trim that you can't change and a power hike already available? Also the car seems to be coming out before the plate change - I was expecting to get it at least on an 07 plate which is why I am buying a 56 plate R32..???! Whats going on? This seems to be VW cashing in on the good reputation of the Mk5 GTI and reliable fools/enthusiasts like me. Very very frustrating. :sad:
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Also the fully colour coded skirts and sides is an idiotic idea - image in 2-3 years when your Anniversary has small pits and chips all over the front spoiler, while a standard Mk5 GTI looks fine because its black plastic. I am beginning to have serious doubts about the Anniversary - maybe I should just get a well spec'd standard 07 plate GTI?
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I don't think this car is for me!
I will photo the information at the dealers if possible and post it later.
I just don't fancy a 25k car with tartan fabric!
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I'm afriad to admit, that when coupled with the price hike, I too have opted out of the Anniversary and am sticking with my standard GTi order. And I can have it in blue.
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Get the feeling that the Edition 30 has not gone down well.
Can't believe that the focus and Clio get recaros and there not Evan an option on the limited edition golf. Whats going on???
The Leon cupra is going to get the S3 engine and sill power and it's just 230. Has the engine been re worked at all or just remapped??
Colour coding, looks a bit Max power to me. Are they trying to get rid of whats left of the standard seats by putting a bit of leather on them?
Why don't the offer a hard core lightened version with LSD, reworked suspension, bigger brakes, Recaros as standard which is more driver focused? They could even do a GTI 4motion version or an R20 based on the S3. While I'm on the band wagan why no GTI estate? Skoda do one so why not VW/. The must be missing out on sales.
Sorry to turn this in to moaning corner.
Anyone had a go in the Passate V6 4motion?
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I do agree to some extent too.
I still don't know if we carry on with our Anni order or opt for a normal GTi with better spec.
I still like the idea of the Anni in principal, however I think it would have been better with 19" CH wheels, Xennons as standard, and all the option boxes ticked etc.
I understand the power thing as it would look stupid for the R32, but the equipment should be high up there.
We may opt for a normal GTi with 18's, xennons, leather, ipod connection and Highline comp anyone know what this list price for this would be?
Dave
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Ok i may be biased as i have and will be sticking to my order for one however...
Everybody is talking about chipping - yes it will give you more power but bye bye warranty. I for one like peace of mind.
For me this is the top Golf - i could buy an R32 but won't. Why would i want a thirsty lardy every day car when i can have a more fuel efficient agile car with a better power to weight ratio??
The value - by the time you spec a standard GTI with some of the standard equipment of a 30 edition the value does not look that bad - in fact it makes the extra 30hp pretty cheap.
I concur with the recaros but i actually like the tartan.
The paint - well thank god they have painted the cheap looking rear valance - saves me doing it
This car will be a cracker as it is just building on what is already a very good car and that should be applauded.
Plus which will keep its value better over the long term - GTI, GTI30 R32? I know where my moneys going! :smiley:
pps - Fully spec Normal GTI for me with Recaros was circa £25k.
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Ollie, VW offered to chip my GTi and that maintains the warranty in full
Second hand value will only be higher than the GTi because it actually costs more. by the time they're 3 years old this will be minimal anyway.
Re your PPS, your not getting a GTI Edition 30 with recaros. The price differential is not so great for you because you are buying a lower spec car.
And personally, I reckon that given that the extra 30bhp stems from a different engine map alone, the actual cost is minimal.
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Ollie you have some fair points regarding the value - maybe people will pay a bit more just for the badge but thats all it really is... as for the rear valence, fair enough, but what about the front spoiler which will look nasty after a couple of years?  No option of recaros?  I think thats unacceptable and am sure many will agree.  Also I think you've missed the point - compared to what VW could have done and compared to the competition even from within different companies within the VW Group, the Edition 30 doesn't look so good.  I may well keep my order for the Edition 30 - most likely in fact.  But this is exactly the problem - that VW know that there will always be suckers like me who love the Golf GTI and will pay that extra for a special edition, but it doesn't mean that they aren't taking the pi55 and basically cashing in.  Especially if that power hike is just an ECU re-map and nothing else....  :sad:
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Wantmygti - Just check out how much more value a 25th GTI holds over a normal car of the same age - its like night and day. Only 1500 25th jobbies were made as well so the 30th will be just as exclusive.
Where does it say its just a re-map? The new S3 has had a fair few internal mods so .........
I do agree that VW could have done more with the 30 - however it is all marketing and the 30th has to fit in its place - a CSL version would have been brill. What we have now in the VW corporate pecking order is GTI, GTI30, R32, S3. Now i wonder how close the 30 edition is to the S3 for power to weight.........
When i originally ordered my normal GTI i speced the leather recaros only to be told that Recaro were having problems with the leather and there would therefore be a delay in getting the car. The price of those things is astronomical and there is no way you could recoupe the cost come selling time.
I'm a petrolhead anyway - i'll take the extra factory horses any day over the YTS fitted jobbie from the local dealer!
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I have looked into it and by Autotrader I reckon like for like cars are about £500 dearer for the Anni. Which I'm sure is far less than the extra the owners paid.
Also, the S3 is pushing over 260bhp and costs £26k. I'll bet my life that the £2k premium of the Edition 30 does not include any engine internal modifications at all. Plus there's no need to modify the internals if it'll happily run 250bhp as Morego have proved.
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OK Wntmy - eye very good - your right, just as you were ticking the folding mirrors options on your hot hatch! :grin: :wink:
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Anything to hinder the door bashers. Plus, it's my choice of options, not yours.
You seem to be confusing VW's failure to make a really unique GTi, with my ability to tailor my car as I want it.
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I think you have a point with the marketing I've read the email the dealers received. It recommends that they place an add in the local press about the edition 30 to draw attention. And on the same page info about other models.
Why can't we have a GP, trophy, Cup,type R, spec C, Williams.....
Theres no doubt that it'll be a better car than the GTI but how good could it have been?
Anyone seen pics of MK VI?
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Im with Ollieb7 on this one.  I was considering a Focus ST instead of the Golf but after driving I couldn't live with the rattles of a Focus and the ASBO image was a put off.  I drove the Golf GTI and loved it but 2 things put me off.  First is the styling which is pretty underwhelming from any angle but head on.  The 2nd was the power.  Standard is fine but knowing you can have more is appealing.  My worry was that with aftermarket tuners you have warranty and insurance issues.  9/10 times you'll be OK but you just never know.
So for me the anniversary ticks the boxes.  It looks more aggressive (OK we've not seen final pics for me the rear is a big improvement).  It has at least 30bhp more, and i'll bet in the real world this is matched to what Morego would do for £500.  You get 18's as standard and i'd have ticked that box anyway.  You get half leather which keeps the seat bolsters in good nick (full leather ages realy quick).
So when taken into account he Anniversary is only £500 more than standard with all the options into account.  For sure you'll get that back at resale.
Sounds good to me...........
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This stinks!
I am not buying an aniversary 'coz I don't like the trim my own personal taste (I was P.O. when I could only have fabric in my CADDY)
I also sold my R32 to the dealer I bought it off whilst I was there, so as of today I don't have a Golf of my own :sad:
My new Range Rover is coming next week (well ahead of its Feb delivery date due to a cancled order :wink:) so until then I will have to put up with my "terrorist mini" :grin:
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Well for those of you who haven't seen the VW Information Update....
(http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/3021031589.jpg) (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3846099)
(http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/30210315881.jpg) (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3846100)
(http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/30210315960.jpg) (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3846101)
(http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/30210315979.jpg) (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3846102)
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A bit poor I know - but its got all the info there....
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My new Range Rover is coming next week (well ahead of its Feb delivery date due to a cancled order :wink:) so until then I will have to put up with my "terrorist mini" :grin:
My sympathies - with all these 4 x 4 and estate agent haters out there your in for a rough ride - just not right - id shoot the lot! :wink:
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Ollie, VW offered to chip my GTi and that maintains the warranty in full
hi wantmygti - what was VW offered and where was this. I really want the Morego 250 conversion but not keen to potentially invalidate my warrranty.
Cheers
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Go for the Morego it's great! I know I keep banging on about it but truly is an amazing difference. For £150 they honor your warranty.
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Well after a bit of thinking, we are going to stick to the 30th. Its a pity they arn't numbered and Xennons arn't standard but hey, I've never seen an out the factory car yet, that is my perfect number.
What colour to go for now.......
Dave
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Hey Dalgleish, all i know is my salesman said they can chip the car upto 250bhp and it doesn't affect the warranty.
I can get more info if you like but you might just be able to ask your local dealer.
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Go for the Morego it's great! I know I keep banging on about it but truly is an amazing difference. For £150 they honor your warranty.
For the whole car?
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Hey Dalgleish, all i know is my salesman said they can chip the car upto 250bhp and it doesn't affect the warranty.
I can get more info if you like but you might just be able to ask your local dealer.
No worries, I will check. Thanks for the info wantmygti.
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So then if vw are making the new gti with 230 bhp from the same power unit, does that mean we can take our 200bhp gti's to them and they can mod them to same spec as 230bhp, i guess its just a modded ecu etc, what do you think the have tweaked or replaced on the engine to get the extra performance?
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My order is cancelled, it's VW marketing hype, pure and simple...
They have wasted a golden opportunity...is it just me or does anyone else find the idea of a GTI costing more than £21k mad... :laugh:
At the end of the day it's a Golf, not a A4 or a 3 series...dame fine car, but pricing itself right out of the game.
Especially when the hot hatch daddy is launched in March for £18k :cool:
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Would that be the Leon Cupra R??
Phil - I'm sure you'll find the only difference is in the ECU map. I'm sure VW could do it but i wouldn't be surprised if they choose not to, to protect the Edition 30 in same.
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Its not mad when you look at the price of a well specced 3 series. I looked at a 335i Coupe and its £40k before you get heavy on the toys. Also look at a lowly BMW 120d £23k for a decent spec and its only got 163bhp......
Dont hold their value as well either...
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well hear it is http://www.vw.co.uk/new_cars/forthcoming/golf_gti30
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Would that be the Leon Cupra R??
Phil - I'm sure you'll find the only difference is in the ECU map. I'm sure VW could do it but i wouldn't be surprised if they choose not to, to protect the Edition 30 in same.
I'm guessing he means the new CTR (saw other post that he has a deposit down). Does look cool and I loved mine but also like the luxury feel of the golf - must be getting old!
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well hear it is http://www.vw.co.uk/new_cars/forthcoming/golf_gti30
cannot believe how clearly photoshopped that photo is!
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Ollieb7 - Thanks I'm hoping not to get into too many fights as Land Rover are the first and only company out there offering a "CO2 Offset Programme"
Details: http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/Company/Sustainability/CO2_Offset_Programme.htm
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For the whole car?
dalgleish it's like if you fit a none VW phone kit to your car. Any thing you touch head unit, wiring loom etc... you invalidate your warranty. So it's ONLY engine gear box etc not hole car. They told me that if I had a problem and VW refused to touch any part of car due to mods it was covered with there warranty. However if any thing happens with engine/gear box I was told to take it straight to morego and they will sort it.
I defiantly don't thrash the car as much now coz if you accelerate steadily (shifting @ 4-5 k) in D by the time you get into 6 you're knocking on 100 mph. Power delivery is so smooth with less lag, DSG shifts faster, plus there is power right to the red line. Just ran in the AP 4 pots so the skin is pulled off my face in both directions now. Just waiting for a fancier diff now.
It's true that there are a lot of potential draw backs to modding your car but you end up with a unique car to you. Best thing about the 250 is running away from smug Audi and BMW drivers who think there car's should be a lot faster.
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Ollieb7 - Thanks I'm hoping not to get into too many fights as Land Rover are the first and only company out there offering a "CO2 Offset Programme"
Details: http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/Company/Sustainability/CO2_Offset_Programme.htm
Yep - i think that will work if you spec a tow bar and a bill board trailer for your Range Rover!
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I have spec'd a tow bar!
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Thanks bullyboy for the morego info - definitely feel better about it now. Will keep you posted - just have to wait until Christmas bonus! Would quite like a tiny morego 250 sticker on the back so people know why they were beaten - sad I know!
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Ollieb7 - Thanks I'm hoping not to get into too many fights as Land Rover are the first and only company out there offering a "CO2 Offset Programme"
Details: http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/Company/Sustainability/CO2_Offset_Programme.htm
Have you gone for it Doc? How much is it out of interest? Cheers.
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I'm going to plant some daffodil bulbs to night dose that count?
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Yes, its not an option and the cost is included in the vehicles otr price.
Prices are below - see link
Linky: http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/Company/Sustainability/CO2_Customer_Offset_Programme.htm
Read bit at bottom ( *All 2007MY Land Rovers will include the CO2 Offset Programme within the OTR (on the road) price. )
All customers will receive a CO2 Offset Information Card, a Vehicle Window Sticker and a certificate from Climate Care confirming their participation.
Nice PR spin :wink:
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dalgleish00 - like this?
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Yes, its not an option and the cost is included in the vehicles otr price.
Prices are below - see link
Linky: http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/Company/Sustainability/CO2_Customer_Offset_Programme.htm
Read bit at bottom ( *All 2007MY Land Rovers will include the CO2 Offset Programme within the OTR (on the road) price. )
All customers will receive a CO2 Offset Information Card, a Vehicle Window Sticker and a certificate from Climate Care confirming their participation.
Nice PR spin :wink:
I think that is genius although suspect greenpeace will think of a way this is still bad! I hope more manufacturers start including this and will definitely wipe a smile off prius drivers! At present, we offset our home and car emissions though http://www.co2balance.com/home.php which works out about £50 a year for 6 trees.
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dalgleish00 - like this?
a little more subtle methinks - poss just the "250" bit of the "morego-250" one under the GTI badge :laugh:
also, do you think morego is pronounced "more go" or more exotically "moraygoh" :wink:
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More Go :evil:
I'm subscibing to this co2balance.com as we speak - great idea :nerd:
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Nice one.
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Has anyone else noticed that the Edition 30 has different front and rear lower bumpers? looking at the the pictures on the german site .. http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms_publish/etc/medialib/vwcms/virtualmaster/de/Models/golf0/Golf/media.Par.0057.File.pdf they are definately more profiled than standard not just colour coded.
Simon
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Does anyone know if this bodykit will be available for standard GTI owners??
Looks nice! :laugh:
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I asked my dealer and he said no. But I suspect it is only question of time...
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i think the rear bumper looks cack! , much prefer current gti, front splitter looks great though
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The dealer says no... :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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That R GTI has really made me sit up and think... anyone know where to get lightweight/carbon fibre bonnet, door, rear hatch and front wing replacements for the Mk5 GTI? :evil: :evil: And a carbon fibre/lightweight body kit. That plus a Quaife LSD, 19" BBS Air Alloys, Stage 3 Revo plus Miltek Exhaust and aftermarket suspension.... I am planning to keep my Anniversary for a long time and those mods are all reversible and will help me keep the original parts in brand new condition. Where else can I loose weight but not compromise on the all-rounder feature central to the GTI concept? If I had all that done for about £4500, I'd be looking at a car weighing as much as a Mk2 GTI running at around 280bhp - whats the estimated 0-60mph time? :laugh: :laugh:
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£4500? I reckon you'll be lucky.
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Hmmmm really... how much do the carbon fibre parts cost - assuming they exist?
£525 for the Quaife LSD
£500 for Revo
£1500 for the BBS Alloys - pure guess here
£500 for a carbon fibre bonnet - is that too cheap
£500 for a pair of carbon fibre doors
£500 for a rear hatch without glass
£???
sh1t - forgot about the tyres - thats an extra £800 plus the fitting of the Quaife and the lightweigt body kit - still about £5750 after all that... or are my carbon fibre price estimates just plain wrong?
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Last thing i heard, proper carbon fibre stuff still cost loads. Bonnets seem to vary from £500 to £1000, but as the Golf may need to be a one off..... Door seem to be about £1500 each Just found www.amber-performance.co.uk who do some CF stuff but none of it is for Golfs. Prices are just for comparisons.
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Various Cf bits: http://www.amber-performance.co.uk/shop.php?i=303
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:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: DO IT MAN DO IT :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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0-60 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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OK my dealer confirmed i have a 30th edition on order. 1st cars availible in Jan but i'll wait till March 1st. Still can't decide on colour or DSG???
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i reckon black would prob look the best, with a manual gearshift. thats my two pence worth anyway! :grin:
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I wonder if silver would highlight the body kit and hide the stone chips the most on the lower valances.
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i wasnt all that impressed when i saw one in silver, would rather have a normal GTI to be honest, or a mark 4 anni
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Well i don't really like flat colours, so that only leaves grey or black metallics. Of the 2 i'd pick black but i reckon most edition 30's will be red or black so get grey to be different.
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yea grey would look good
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How have you seen one already Neaty?
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a silver one? saw a pic of one on the internet somewhere, seen them in red and silver and thats it
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I am still weighing up what colour I should get - black, red or grey at the moment red - my favourite Mk2 colour - is 3rd, grey just pipped to the preferred spot by Pearl Black... Black just fits in everywhere :evil:
But that R GTI concept is really taking hold of me... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Oh right neaty, I thought you meant in the flesh. I'm not a red car fan but the one in the german edition 30 pdf earlier in this thread looks hot. Can't help thinking that black will hide the detailing. If it came in blue I'd probably switch my order for an anni but it was the final straw.
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Going for black pearl effect with dsg.
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Is the edition 30 worth the money? I know I'm eating my words here but revisited the R32 at weekend but with a manual box and it's a different car. Hold my hands up. I think if I was paying that kind of money for a Golf I'd go for a R32 in manual and a few options. Evan though not sure about the styling?
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Depends what you mean by 'worth the money'.... in terms of depreciation, the Edition 30 will hold its value better over the long term. If you mean in terms of driving enjoyment then they are different cars that do different things and it boils down to what you prefer/want from a car.
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I've said it before but as far as the 30 edition and r32 is concerned the latter is thirstier, less agile, has less BHP/Ton and is more expensive.
That makes the 30 edition better value in my book and yes is likely to keep it's value better especially once the government gets their hands into this 'environment' tax. :angry:
On another note i signed on the dotted line last week - Silver, manual, 3 door, sunroof, upgraded sound system, xeons. The only mod i intend to do is get the small section on the rear valance next to the exhaust painted black ala R32 style. :cool: Feb / march delivery.
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Congrats Ollie... I've sold my GTI - it went 2 days ago so am driving my wife's Mk4 :sick: and a Mk2 16v :evil:
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Depends what you mean by 'worth the money'.... in terms of depreciation, the Edition 30 will hold its value better over the long term. If you mean in terms of driving enjoyment then they are different cars that do different things and it boils down to what you prefer/want from a car.
Will the edition 30 hold it's value better than a R32 long term? Don't want to re open old wounds but.
For similar price you get a better standard spec with the R32, you can have leather/recaros. On paper it looks more car for the money and on the road...possibly. Heres hoping for the R concept with 4x4.
I've said it before but as far as the 30 edition and r32 is concerned the latter is thirstier, less agile, has less BHP/Ton and is more expensive.
That makes the 30 edition better value in my book and yes is likely to keep it's value better especially once the government gets their hands into this 'environment' tax. :angry:
On another note i signed on the dotted line last week - Silver, manual, 3 door, sunroof, upgraded sound system, xeons. The only mod i intend to do is get the small section on the rear valance next to the exhaust painted black ala R32 style. :cool: Feb / march delivery.
R32 is agile and not to different to the GTI on roads as most of the power goes forward. Whether it will be on track? It was nice to have the car for an hour this time with out the sales man. On the damp roads I drove it on the back end moved around a hell of a lot more than on the GTI and you could feel the power going to the rear wheels to pull pull you straight. It also felt more planted but not as risk free as a Subaru for eg, so more fun. The edition 30 will probably be as fast most of the time though.
I don't give a dame my self about how thirsty it is as the MPG was similar to my morego'd GTI when drive fast. I can see your point as thats why I bought the GTI in the first place but I'm disappointed with what you get on the edition 30 which is why I'm looking else where. ÂÂÂ
Cars don't you just love them.
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hey bully - I'd suggest if you've not already been there and you don't care about the MPG is to buy a two year old Evo (the MR340 I had, had lost the previous owner 10k in 6 months!!!!!) - knocks a r32 into the weeds!
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I've test driven a FQ320 it's a might fast car and was offered a great deal on it at the local dealership. It's always been my dream to own one and I'm very tempted. I'm looking at a WRX and STI next week but would find it hard to go back a step to Jap quality. Need something bigger than a 3 door Golf . Really don't want to buy something thats not VW and I need a V6 in my life. I should stop moaning still love my GTI.
The servicing is a bit high with the EVO and my license. How easy was it to live with?
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Easy to live with but the cost of running is sky high - i was looking at £1k in a month to run it when it needed tyres, brakes tax service etc. be prepared! Sold it after 6 months. I did have a IV as well and in actual fact kinda liked that car better. The VI would be my choice now. Their well reliable though. The STI's have longer service intervals hence they are more popular.
The 30 ed. is an every day car for me -your better having something like a Golf and a second more extreme car than just one evo!
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Thats the problem prob end up sticking with the golf but got one eye on the MKVI coming soon worried about losing more on my car. What are you driving at the moment?
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MKVI will be ages yet - cars are always loosing money no matter what - even when that comes out that will loose money. I'll keep th 30 ed for more than 3 years so that the loss is not too painful.
The only depreciant car i know is my 65 split screen camper - more than just a car! :cool:
Got a 2002 BMW 330d M sport if any one wants to buy it - see pistonheads!
A fully restored 190HP MI16 205 GTI for the fun stuff and the wifes 182 Clio. :evil:
As i said takes more than one car to keep me happy!
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This is the longest I've had a car in 5 years, just had to tax it! So I'm getting sweaty palms, Evan though very happy with my car. Should keep the GTI really we're supposed to be saving for a bigger house. I think what I need is a 'cheap' projet car....
I know some one who had a MI16 205, it scared him sill so he sold it. Sounds like fun.
Are the Clio's as good as everyone says?
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I am planning on keeping the Edition 30 for life... it will become part of my collection (currently Mk1 GTI Campaign with 63k on the clock, 1 previous owner and a minter and will be looking for an absolute minter Mk2 16v next year - I have one on sale now, 68k miles but it needs to go) if the R GTI comes out I may buy it separately. I will probably end up with the following:
Mk1 GTI 63k
Mk2 16v GTI, low miles, > 50k?
Mk5 Edition 30
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Ordered my Edition 30 today...
Options:
Diamond Black Paint - still may change it to Steel Grey
DVD Sat Nav plus iPOD connection and Front Centre Arm Rest - may cancel this and fit it separately saving £1k in the process but still unsure about whether I should risk buying stuff from ebay and putting it in the car :huh:
Luxury Pack 2
Winter Pack
Cruise Control
Xenon Headlights :evil:
Highline Computer
Rear tinted windows from B-pillar back
Autoglym Lifeshine - although I am thinking of getting something else instead of this
I would have liked the option of being able to order Recaros but VW want to be bloody arkward :angry:
my previous Mk5 GTI had:
Diamond Black Paint
Highline Computer
Front Centre Arm rest
18" Monzas
Autoglym Lifeshine
B*gger all else.. :laugh: :laugh:
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Not sure how true this is, but i've heard that the mkVI will be manufactured for mass and cost, so they are using manufacturing techniques used by chrysler ( :sick:). Also, they are dropping all five door models and giving that option with the golf plus. One of the many reasons i am getting a 30th edition, which i intend to keep for a LONG time.
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Sounds good to me. I personally wouldn't bother with the winter pack or the sat nav but i guess it depends on your needs. How dark are the tinted windows? Not seen one with them...... I'm also getting Lifeshine, what others are you considering?
Also, how did the ebay sale go? So many people seem to report non-paying buyers???
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Elbow grease for the shine for me!
Always thought the tinted rear windows made your car look like a van esp. a black one.
182 cup - more fun than an evo - its not as fast as but more fun at lower non licencing loosing speeds as its got none of those make it easy for you electronics!
For second car forget the house - you can't beat a high powered caterham - for me it had to go as big lorries don't see you! :cry:
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Sounds Cool! :cool:
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For all those that keep saying they have orderde their cars, have you actually orderded it with final spec etc?
Or just got a deposit down and waiting for date so you put final order in?
The reason I ask is, we have put £500 deposit down to be for 1st allocation, and told when order book opens we can put the other £500 down and spec the final car. Is this right?
I thought it was 2nd Novemeber book opens but read its now 12th December?
Dave
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I'd agree with Ollieb7 about the evo costs. My brother has an evo VI which is in an incredible car, and very fast :shocked:(currently 0-60 in under 4), but servicing costs are astronomical, to the point where he is considering selling it. But, it is a race/rally car after all, it's not too practical!
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Hi Ha54sym
I have the legally binding blue contract slip signed last Wed. - £1k deposit. Mine will be the first car in the NE Scotland. If the dealer is dragging their heels take your buisness to another - im sure they'll welcome you!
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Ahhh no I have a blue contract slip saying I've paid £500 deposit on a ED30.
However with all this order talk I thought people had got further and put final spec in (which I was told is still vague, when asked about winter pack as car already has heated seats?)
Thought you lot where getting delivery dates already.
Dave
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I was at the dealer today picking up some parts when Tony, the sales guy at Wolsey grabbed me and asked me to spec my options for the order... so thats what I did. Fully loaded :evil: I did tell him - for the umpteenth time - that I did NOT want the car until March 07 so it is registered on an 07 plate and also so I can drive the R32 around for 4 months. The Mk5 GTI sold ok through ebay - had no problems whatsoever. :wink:
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On my blue slip my options are selected. I havn't ticked the winter pack though as heated scooshers can be a right pain when they stop/start/stop working
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Ahh right are they happy to deliver on the 1st of March then? Thats when I'd want ours too.
But heated seats come as part of the package, but I'm not sure if heated washer jets and headlamp washers are in too, or ho much they will be as an option, as you already have the heated seats in.
Dave
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I'm glad there's the option of delivery in March - that's when i'll have mine for as well. Will be ordering mine today (hopefully!)
Sorry to diverge from the topic slightly, but found this on the net about mods made to the 2.0T engine in the 30th AE:
"After the slogan 'per year an additional Turbopferdchen' the technicians dedicated themselves to the Zweiliter TFSI aggregate. Increased load pressure, a modified characteristic diagram as well as interferences into the hardware (among other things new pistons) draw now 230 HP (series from the excellent engine: 200 HP) and a torque of 300 Newtonmeters (series: 280 Nm). " Translated from German.
Maybe someone can shed some light? Many Thanks :smiley:
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brilliant - so its not just a re-map?
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brilliant - so its not just a re-map?
Can I have this in original German please and I will translate it for all!
Cheers
Doc :smiley:
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Eye the torcher..... First the anouncement it may exist...then b~gger all..... then - bu#ger all....then the fan fare - hurrah!..... then the wait........ then the dribs (thats where we are at the moment) the wait..... then the drabs...... the wait ... then a road test......hopefully more of a hurra - more like i've had a small wee..... then the wait.... then the car!!!!!!! And at that time i hope i will be pooing my pants with excitement! :wink:
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Well Ollie.. VW are bast**ds aren't they.. keeping us hanging like that :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Right, extract in German as follows:
Nach dem Motto "pro Jahr ein zusätzliches Turbopferdchen" haben sich die Techniker dem Zweiliter-TFSI-Aggregat gewidmet. Erhöhter Ladedruck, ein modifiziertes Kennfeld sowie Eingriffe in die Hardware (u.a. neue Kolben) entlocken dem ausgezeichneten Motor nun 230 PS (Serie: 200 PS) und ein Drehmoment von 300 Newtonmetern (Serie: 280 Nm).
Website is as follows (extract is from the last paragraph of article):
http://www.autobild.de/suche/suche.php?A_SESS=41dd004f17433e56ab291a862117c64c&suchwort=edition+30+gti&aktion=suche¢er=0
Now, if this is true, its great news! The article seems like its related to the study back in May; wouldn't surprise me at all if this was true for the production car as well. Maybe someone can shed some light on this - it better be true, as i've ordered mine today for March as well :huh:!!!
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I know this sounds sad - and it is sad - but I just can't stop wondering whether I should get a steel grey car or a diamond black Edition 30. I have currently chosen black and it goes with the carbon stuff I intend on putting on it and also goes with the 19" silver BBS Air alloys I intend putting on... but that steel grey car on the 2 page of this thread looks stunning.... I suppose black is the safe all-round choice and looks good whatever, but steel grey although looks stunning at times doesn't have that evil mean look. Then there's Tornado Red - there is a stunning example with 18" BBS CH alloys on in the Anniversary thread on edition 38.... maybe I should start a separate thread and have a vote because its beginning to do my head in :laugh: :laugh: no votes for white - I don't care what anyone says, it looks crap and no-one wants white unless they've had a lobotomy :grin: :grin:
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It's not just you!!, i have a deposit on an Edition 30 but really wanted the Recaro seats, so now i'm struggling to decide between an Edition 30 with the extra power and Xenons etc.. with wheels that i'm not to keen on or a new GTi with Xenons and Recaro's etc..??????
Simon
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And then there's me who is wondering when we can actually order our car as others eems to have delivery dates now.
Dave
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Got to see some real pictures of the car not bad photoshopped versions before I can decide. Steel Grey looks like it's winning the battle of the mind at the moment. Having said that, with full body coloured bumpers silver could look quite classy and I said i'd never go for silver as it's too common. At least I know I want a 3dr manual with Xenons and ipod dock. Just gotta sort the colour out.
Someone find real pictures please.................................................................................................
Also I have ordered my car for March. Dealer says no rush to spec it. When will the deadline be??
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Used to have black cars - they are nice when clean but unfortunately its a nightmare to keep it that way - plus it shows up scratches that way - Silver is easy to live with hence the popularity - but it does look good with black grill and red highlight.
PSi3 - Wheres the petrol in your veins? Seats over horse power??????? :laugh:
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http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new_cars/forthcoming/golf_gti30
Can't get more official than these pictures!
VW anticipate that dealers will sell out by the end of November. Production is limited to 1500 units. There are just over 250 UK dealers. That averages to 6 per dealer! All Edition 30s will be sold blind prior to them being launched. (Unless your dealer sneaks one on as a demonstrator....like me)
VWmd
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As previously posted this page shows the wheels we get more clearly..
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms_publish/etc/medialib/vwcms/virtualmaster/de/Models/golf0/Golf/media.Par.0057.File.pdf
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PSi3 - Wheres the petrol in your veins? Seats over horse power??????? :laugh:
I've got this in the garage when the need arises.. (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/PSi3/DSC_0069.jpg) :smug:
Simon
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I have a few other pictures of it in red with the pescara alloys - how do i post the pictures?! (sorry, as i said, first time on these forum thingys!)
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That Gixer is stunning.
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PSi3 - I suppose you would need a comfy chair after sitting on that thing! :wink:
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PSi3 - I suppose you would need a comfy chair after sitting on that thing! :wink:
:laugh:
Simon
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Who wants to spec their edition 30 the german way?
http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/render/ICC/9TTENBTE49QC_570_235.jpeg
Looks like the germans didn't moan enough about the black wheels - however if you jump up and down enough it looks like you may get them speced on your UK car?????
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Who wants to spec their edition 30 the german way?
http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/render/ICC/9TTENBTE49QC_570_235.jpeg
Looks like the germans didn't moan enough about the black wheels - however if you jump up and down enough it looks like you may get them speced on your UK car?????
Personally i like the black wheels, i have said i may cancel the edition 30 for another specced up Gti if i can't have the black wheels and/or reacro's, so far VW Uk won't budge on them.
Simon
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Well under the Räder / Reifen * you can spec the different wheels!
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Yep - Silver with black (easier to clean) wheels for me! :cool:
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UK main dealer?
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(http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/vehicle.ashx?height=235&rs=ExtraLarge&rt=Front&hash=1929099448&mi=images%2fde%2fmissing_big_stage_xlarge.jpg)
(http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/vehicle.ashx?height=235&rs=ExtraLarge&rt=Front&hash=1355428815&mi=images%2fde%2fmissing_big_stage_xlarge.jpg)
(http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/render/ICC/5MHGQELIEGWM_570_235.jpeg)
(http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/vehicle.ashx?height=235&rs=ExtraLarge&rt=Front&hash=961937699&mi=images%2fde%2fmissing_big_stage_xlarge.jpg)
(http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/render/ICC/8NJW3PBUNKY5_570_235.jpeg)
(http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/vehicle.ashx?height=235&rs=ExtraLarge&rt=Back&hash=961937699&mi=images%2fde%2fmissing_big_stage_xlarge.jpg)
(http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/render/ICC/O4AZ4SEFMGOM_570_235.jpeg)
(http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/vehicle.ashx?height=235&rs=ExtraLarge&rt=Back&hash=361952841&mi=images%2fde%2fmissing_big_stage_xlarge.jpg)
(http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/render/ICC/2F8K7GRWIGIA_570_235.jpeg)
(http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/vehicle.ashx?height=235&rs=ExtraLarge&rt=Back&hash=1929099448&mi=images%2fde%2fmissing_big_stage_xlarge.jpg)
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(http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/render/ICC/Q48JLUIDYURH_570_235.jpeg)
(http://cc5.volkswagen.de/cc5/images/render/ICC/EGBPYOD7YWEP_570_235.jpeg)
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white with black wheels :cool:
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White is :drool:
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Ill - I agree that this colour thing is doing my head-in also :undecided: I have ordered the red but am worried about the long term wear on flat colours :rolleyes: I am trying to go for the retro-look but can this thread come to a conclusion about the Grey (black and white are both out for me) - black to hard to keep clean, white to easy to keep dirty :grin:
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Steel grey - I rang the dealer to add the multifunction steering wheel and almost changed the colour from pearl black to steel grey but copped out just as I was about to say it.... :lipsrsealed:
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By the way does anyone know what the telephone preparation is - its the only option barring dsg and 5-doors that I haven't got....
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Telephone preparation is EVIL it looks :sick: like a halfords add on DONT DO IT MAN!
Steel grey is fecking lush man I tell you :grin:
This looks bad enough - then you have to plonk and adapter for your phone on it then your phone clicks onto it - nasty :sick:
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2515/dsc03703ow7.jpg)
Sorry about quality of photo!
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I assumed that it looked something like that which is why I had NEVER considered it before, but then I thought, 'maybe I'm wrong' but obviously not. Defintely no telephone preparation then. :grin: As for steel grey it certainly looks really nice in a lot of photos. My only worry is what if I opt for it then regret it after seeing an evil looking pearl black monster GTI :evil: :evil: :evil:
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I think the colour coded bits on the edition 30 will be lost if you have it in black which is why i think steel gray is the correct option. I maight be wrong though.
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Agreed :wink:
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Hey guys :smiley:
Found a link to this thread on another site, so thought I would pop by
Ordered my Edition 30 back on the 1st Nov through Specialist Cars VW, the local Aberdeen dealer...I'm told that mine is the 2nd order to be placed with them, with estimated delivery available from late January/early February
After a bit of deliberation, have settled on:
Candy White 3 door 6 speed manual
Bi-Xenon headlight option
ipod preparation
Parking sensors
Multi-function steering wheel and Highline computer
Needed to lie down after totting up the cost of it all :grin:
After coming from a BOSE equipped 2003 TT 225, swithered about the RCD500+Soundpack, but the feedback all over seems to say that it's not really worth it :rolleyes:
I held back from ordering a similar specced Candy White GTI earlier in the year as I guessed there would be some sort of 30th Anniversary model, and the TT wasn't a bad replacement for the last year :smiley:
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HI phope - being second is my fault i'm afraid - sorry!
Good choice though - black or silver wheels if you have the option?
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yeah, I went in to see the salesman in mid afternoon on the 1st Nov ...he did say someone had ordered one earlier that day!
Black Monza2 wheels are OK, I guess...much prefer the silver BBS "Pescara" style though
They reckoned they would get their demo in by mid Jan, with initial customer cars to follow by late January to mid Feb
I'm probably looking to take March 1st delivery...unless the wait gets too much for me!!
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Yes the wait......but i think your right march the first is the sensible option!
The pescara wheels are nice, but having had experience with these type of wheels they are a b#gger to clean.
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Have you tried autoglym clean wheels?
Normally you just spray it on and jet wash it off :wink:
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Have you tried autoglym clean wheels?
Nope 'Wonder wheels'
Normally you just spray it on and jet wash it off :wink:
I wish! :sad:
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I am surprised!
It normally works a treat for me :wink:
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Well looks like cleaning for me i've decided - bolloks to the NOB bunny wheels - its the Pes-what-sit wheels for me....but somehow there going to end up BBS CH026 8x19" with 30-35mm drop eibach springs - that way looks :cool: even the dogs boz and even better than that the wife won't suss! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :laugh:
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Well looks like cleaning for me i've decided - bolloks to the NOB bunny wheels - its the Pes-what-sit wheels for me....but somehow there going to end up BBS CH026 8x19" with 30-35mm drop eibach springs - that way looks :cool: even the dogs boz and even better than that the wife won't suss! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :laugh:
A man after my own heart!!!!
:wink: :wink: :wink:
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I'm planning on those 19" Air 2 BBS things - can't remember the full name but they look a bit like the BBS CH alloys. All for the sake of saving around 22kg from the weight. Everything counts :smiley:
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I'm planning on those 19" Air 2 BBS things - can't remember the full name but they look a bit like the BBS CH alloys. All for the sake of saving around 22kg from the weight. Everything counts :smiley:
Don't actually know what type you mean but saving weight by non existant wheels should save alot more than 22kg! :wink:
Have you decided by the size? - my best research is coming up with 8.5X19" with 235/35 tyres
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19" BBS CH alloys on my mates R32... :drool:
(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7464/dsc02820fb9.jpg)
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19" BBS CH alloys on my mates R32... :drool:
Yep i agree on the :drool:
Is that std suspension height there?
Do you know the sizes?
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The BBS wheels I am referring to are found on the following page http://www.mstuning.co.uk/main.php?content=bb_air2 (http://www.mstuning.co.uk/main.php?content=bb_air2) and they are the sole BBS UK importers according to the site. Anyway, under the technical section on this page, a 5.3kg figure is given for weight saving. Air 2 CK 9 or 9.5 x 19" - will 9 x 19" fit under the Mk5 arch? I'm certainly not going to be rolling arches or modifying them in anyway.
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I've been looking at that site - Hadn't seen those wheels (looks pricey!) - a bit heavier now than the b#gger all items of earlier -
I think that size may be a bit big especially if you are thinking of lowering. R GTI concept is 'apparently' running on 265/30-19 tyres but no indication on rim size.
Did you manage to get a price form these geezers? I've had to mail and waiting a response on 8x19. If you look at other BBS dealers they all indicate 8.5x19 with no indication of the former hence my confusion of whats the right wheel size. :undecided:
Try
http://www.performancealloys.com/BBS_Alloy_Wheels.asp?procedure=&size=19x8.5&page=2&wheel_manufacturer='BBS'&permission=1054310141
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Just read the new Leon Cupra review in Autocar. They didn't rate it (handling not engine) but claimed it had a bigger turbo, new cylinder head plus other mods to push out 240hp. Could this be the same lump they drop into the GTI 30. Would make sense. They can then just understate the BHP or just turn down the boost.
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Some more official pics here...
http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/gallery2.php?mode=album&album=/Volkswagen/Golf%20-%20GTI%20-%20Rabbit/Golf%20V/GTI%2030th=Anniversary%20Edition
I've been looking on a few German forums, using my schoolboy German :)
A few people have found that on ETKA, the Edition 30 does indeed share the same part numbers as the Audi S3 engine for the turbo, cylinder head, block and internals. Seems to have a smaller intercooler though, with a different part number
Could well be the SEAT unit in disguise, but with different mapping
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If this is true do you see the tuning companies developing a remap? Could easily push out the same as an S3. Would they bother with only 1500 being made?
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I'd reserve judgement until more info available.. :undecided:
I'd guess that it could be remapped...whether or not you'd want more power through the front wheels is debatable :grin:
These were the part numbers that people on a German forum had noticed were the same, using ETKA
Turbo:
195 Kw engine code BHZ (S3) 06F 145 702 C KKK
169 Kw engine code BYD (Jubi) 06F 145 702 C KKK
Block and internals:
Rumpfmotor BHZ (S3) 06F 100 035
Rumpfmotor BYD (Jubi ) 06F 100 035
but different intercoolers - they suggest that the Edition 30 is a smaller capacity intercooler:
Ladeluftkuehler S3 1K0 145 803 P
Ladeluftkuehler Golf 1K0 145 803 A
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Had a look at the recent pics - isn't there any way of getting the black wheels?
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Hey guys.
Found these pics for you all. Basically the same you already seen though.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/volkswagen/volkswagen-golf-gti-edition-30-ar15067/image108580-1.html
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/volkswagen/volkswagen-golf-gti-edition-30-ar15067/image108579-0.html
I want those rims on my GTI :shocked:
Will keep looking for you all
Mike
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Had a look at the recent pics - isn't there any way of getting the black wheels?
My local dealer has contacted VW UK and the answer is no, only way would be to order a set through though a german dealer i would imagine.
Simon
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I've asked my dealer for the black wheels too. I would suggest that we all ask (the ones that want them) and pressure VW to give them to us - if theirs a demand...... You should do this sooner than later as i would imagine they haven't quite started building yet for the uk market.
PS if you are in doubt which wheels to get check out this weeks autocar under the 'deals' section. There is a red 5 door Golf pictured with pescara type wheels. Looks weedy and plain :angry:
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http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new_cars/forthcoming/golf_gti30
not sure if it's been posted before but I can't be bothered to read all 26 pages!!! :laugh:
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I personally think that the black wheels look :sick: :sick: :sick: but each to their own.... however, I do think it is very very short-sighted and inflexible of VW not to offer them as an option for the Edition 30... ditto leather and recaro seats
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As far as I can see VW is ripping us off with this Anniversary edition. :embarassed:
They cant come up with concepts like the GTR and rabbit and then expect us to dish out money like this on a car that looks like a poor teenager had a go modding. They should scrap the anniversary and come up with something decent!
Honestly. VW is complaining about losing sales and discontinuing ranges but they are creating sh*t cars.
I love my golf GTI but I would not pay for the anniversary. Black rims, photoshop rims or recarros
Ok rant over :grin:
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Looks good to me! Can anybody photoshop it silver for me please with carbon front lip and mirriors?
Ps dealer has not phoned me back wrt black wheels - maybe no news is good news - i hope
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a355/OllieB7/Golf.jpg)
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Yeh, and while your at it, could you photoshop to see what it looks like in black?! :grin:
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and steel grey
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Are we all looking for black wheels here (with the odd exception)? I think i'm going to be mighty p#ssed off if i don't get these wheels - I thought 19" BBS before (wifes fault!) but really i want dark wheels with silver paint work ( i could have a bonny langford moment here!). I checked yesterday too and MTM wheels finished in titainium are £1400 before you even put tyres on them. :angry:
Just read this month Ultra VW and i can feel my money going on more mods for the air cooled way now and sticking to the boring looking pescari-whoggy flips!!! Who ever heard of pescara anyway....must be that VW were so p#ssed off with BBS after the warranty issues with the 25th that they have got jack the lad to make the'new' wheels.
Right - Bonnie is away to watch Myleen now!
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Hey guys
if you give me the weekend I will give it a go at photoshopping it. Just say what you want and I can try....
Personally I think it will look awesome in black with the black rims.
The silver rims look serious CHAV :grin:
Cheers
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Agreed - chavish - like this...
http://www.chavscum.co.uk/
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I thought the 'Pescara' wheels were made by BBS - I thought they were BBS CH alloys just badged as VW?
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Hey 08micsta,
Would be great to see what the car looks like in black. Thanks in advance!
As for the pescara alloys, I personally don't think they look "unique" enough for an anniversary model, while the black ones are growing on me now. By the way, i heard the new edition of volkswagen driver has an article about the Edition 30 - anyone read it yet?
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I have a copy of VW Driver but haven't read it yet - working away from home so will read it when I get back on sunday.. as for the Pescara alloys I have to say that they aren't special enough to go on the Edition 30 - a bit disappointing like the rest of the car... but not disappointing enough to put me off buying one :evil: Why do VW always do that :angry:
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Well it looks as if the Turbo is the same as the one on the new S3, and the block is the same.
It seems to me that VW have deliberatly pitched this model in between the R32 and std. GTi.
Dave
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If thats confirmed by VW UK then its excellent news :smiley:
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Hey Stiggy
If you give me the weekend then I can arrange that for you. My pc is at home and I am away so will do it on Friday for you. And post next week monday if possible.
A reckon the GT-R will be a killer of a car if it comes out. But VW has no idea...(As usual) about a GT-R model.
What the he*ls that?? says the dealer.
:huh:
Anyoway till later.
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Wheels.... Goni Geeze the Black jobbies.....
I've contacted my dealer, then i contacted VW Milton Keynes - logged a complaint (you get a ref. No.) - why? The Black wheels are confirmed not to be available for the UK market :angry: - VW Germany's decision apparently? (ref. the Vortex article - it says UK?)
Now i have sent a mail to VW customer services Germany - isch bin goni giz.... waiting for a reply. Cant understand why we can't and yet the Germans can.. There must be a surples of these wheels when some Germans have spec'd the 'pish'cara wheels so out of interest i have asked if they would be available to purchase if they are going to stick to their guns on not supplying.
The more people that moan about this the better chance we may get so try 'vw@volkswagen.de'
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I have emailed them aswell - see what happens eh? Will let you guys know what happens.
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Found some more pics from the China motorshow - if the pescara wheels are grey (as it appears in these photos), they actually don't look too bad :huh:
http://www.germancarzone.com/showthread.php?s=27c7472f16d92d73ae0cf8d095202911&t=7135
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:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
I Likey this one:
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1006/30aebackfq8.jpg)
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:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
I Likey this one:
Me too thats the problem !
looks like the japs are getting the 'silver' non spounge friendly pishara wheels too! I'm sure they'll be nice but i just had that silver car with black bits kinda goin!
I have had a response back from Germany but it is more along the lines of 'we've slopey shouldered this onto out importer'
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VW UK have changed the http://www.vw.co.uk/new_cars/forthcoming/golf_gti30
Heated front sports seats has been dropped from the standard equipment and now has become a £300 option!!!!!
I've made a pest of myself again (yes again) with the dealer! :angry:
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I ordered the winter pack anyway but I though that the heated front sports seats were standard?
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I tell you that R26 Megane Renualt is getting more desirable even with that big ar#e!
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Where do you get that from?
Its still on the web site, and on the link you posted, and when we orderded ours VW confirmed the heated seats because I asked about what the winter pack will cost and its £200 with Xennons.
Can't see they have changed anything TBH.
I can't see why people are also slating this car, fact is its still a GTi and is a slightly better/uprated version.
We havn't got a GTi therefore this one will be I'm sure a very good car just as a standard GTi would be to us.
If the car is as good as people say GTi's are then I'm sure we will go for an IROC in 08 also.
Dave
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Agreed Dave
The spec distributed to VW uk included "front heated sports seats." When i signed all the paper work, the stealer went through all the options and front heated sports seats was one of them - i signed the papers with the agreement (from both parties) that this would be part of the package, so if this is true (that the heated seats aren't part of the package), they will either have to put in the heated seats (cause i won't be paying for them) or i think this is a legit case to take further action...but stealer hasn't contacted me yet about this and i'm sure she would have by now, as the car is probably under production as we speak/chat.
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My thinking too Stiggy.
What options did you go for.......
Ours is..
3dr
Pearl Black
Manual
Armrest
Xennons
Winter Pack
Dave
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I went for the following options:
5dr DSG (i'm afraid i had no choice! Would have liked 3dr)
Diamond black pearl effect
Ipod in armrest
Xenons
Parking sensors (can never be too careful i guess!)
Rear tinted windows
Bluetooth prep
GAP and autoglym
Price was abit steep, but i had been looking at the mkv gti for a long time now. I personally think that this is the best model since the mk 1 (and possibly mk2) No offence to anyone with a mk3 or mk4! :wink: The edition 30 will just add to an already fantastic car, as you correctly mentioned Dave. Also, VW seems to be concentrating on mass production and cost reduction for the next gen golf, which i personally think may compromise on quality/reliability and i don't want to risk this opportunity for a possibly poor mkVI - i've heard they are also dropping 5 dr models on the golf (incl. the gti) and placing that option with the golf plus (which i don't like!) for the mkVI. So, i think this car (edition 30 gti, or any normal mk5 gti for that matter) is going to be a well sort after car in the future. Put it this way, its been around since 2004 (correct me if i'm wrong!) and i haven;t heard a bad report about it since, only good, and that has been rare for vw recently. As a result, i don't think i'll be changing this car anytime soon!!!
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Sorry, forgot to mention i've also ordered the highline computer :smiley:
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Ohh yeah Highline is also on our list too :grin:
Looking forward to delivery, I've asked for March 1st, is your dealer doing the same?
Dave
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Yup, March 1st delivery. CANT WAIT!!! :laugh:
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Well im thinking of asking for my deposit back! I drove one of the Megane big ar#se things today - the 225 cup - fantastic! Huge mid range, and corners beutifuly. No squeeks or rattles. The 230hp R26 jobbie comes with Limited Slip diff, recaros, brembos the lot and all for £5k cheaper than the Golf at 0% interest. Plus the review in this months Evo makes it a very hard package to ignore - even with a big .....
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Yep I like the megane, but it is a renault, and no matter what anyone says Rover used to build better cars, I know I've had both.
The meganes will make excellent 2nd hand cars though as the new price will plummit, and you get a lot of motor for the 2nd hand price.
Dave
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Yep I like the megane, but it is a renault, and no matter what anyone says Rover used to build better cars, I know I've had both.
The meganes will make excellent 2nd hand cars though as the new price will plummit, and you get a lot of motor for the 2nd hand price.
Dave
Yep i agree - my wifes 182 was an excellent 2nd hand buy at 1.5yrs old - got it for 7K - thought about this r26 and i just couldn't buy new - even at 0%! Give it a year..... and hopefully i'll be so happy with this Golf i won't look twice - March just seems such a long wait! :cry:
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Hey Ollie, you heard anything from Specialist Cars about when your's is getting built?
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Ordered mine today :wink: - Heated seats are definitely included in the standard price :smiley:
Also - it seems that the headlight washers are also included with the Xenons :smiley:
Ill - Ordered the red, then the Grey - guess what changed it to Black today with the final order.
Plus - SatNav plus IPOD.
MSFW
Rear Black tinted windows
Lux Pk 1
Xenons :smiley:
- 16.500 PX for a 05 Plate GTi - Leather/Monza's/MFSW - 8K Miles - I need to get out more :grin: price - I think is OK :rolleyes:
Can't wait till March :grin:
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Hey Ollie, you heard anything from Specialist Cars about when your's is getting built?
No it's all been quite from them - maybe there worried about speaking to me after i've been such a pain in the ar#se about the black wheel :wink: - which i've still not heard back about yet.
Maybe also our cars have had their build postponed as we have asked for them in March??
Good news about the heated seats - it must be a problem at VW with cutting and pasting the normal Golf options onto the 30 ed.
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Ordered mine today :wink: - Heated seats are definitely included in the standard price :smiley:
Also - it seems that the headlight washers are also included with the Xenons :smiley:
Ill - Ordered the red, then the Grey - guess what changed it to Black today with the final order.
Plus - SatNav plus IPOD.
MSFW
Rear Black tinted windows
Lux Pk 1
Xenons :smiley:
- 16.500 PX for a 05 Plate GTi - Leather/Monza's/MFSW - 8K Miles - I need to get out more :grin: price - I think is OK :rolleyes:ÂÂÂ
Can't wait till March :grin:ÂÂÂ
LOL :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
I was undecided for ages on whether to get Steel Grey or Diamond Black. I had a diamond black 06 GTI and looking at the steel grey photos on the net - esp the one on the 2nd page of this thread :tongue: :tongue: - it looked fantastic. However, black is the safe option and always looks good whereas steel grey doesn't look good in all lights and weathers, but looks stunning when its a bit overcast. Saying that I saw a steel grey yesterday and it looked really good. I had to turn my head 180 degrees and I was driving my 56 plate Pearl Blue R32... I thought about calling the dealer and changing the colour.... but when it comes down to it, I think diamond black always wins.
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Was very keen on steel grey too, and first specced it in that, but changed to Diamond soon after :grin:
I think we will keep this car standard as its the mrs, and I'm not sure modding a special edition is the right thing to do.
May get a new intake and exhaust though, what do people rate for these items?
Dave
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Was very keen on steel grey too, and first specced it in that, but changed to Diamond soon after :grin:
I think we will keep this car standard as its the mrs, and I'm not sure modding a special edition is the right thing to do.
May get a new intake and exhaust though, what do people rate for these items?
Dave
Noisy and droney - give you a headache after a while :sick:
I think modding for one of these shouldn't be too bad so long as you can put it back to standard - Still likely to get the black wheels one way or another! But....... i wait to see how good the standard product is first - no point fixing something if it aint broke!
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Hey Ollie, you heard anything from Specialist Cars about when your's is getting built?
No it's all been quite from them - maybe there worried about speaking to me after i've been such a pain in the ar#se about the black wheel :wink: - which i've still not heard back about yet.
Maybe also our cars have had their build postponed as we have asked for them in March??
Good news about the heated seats - it must be a problem at VW with cutting and pasting the normal Golf options onto the 30 ed.
Yeah, I thought I might have heard a commission number or something...I guess just have to sit tight and wait to hear!
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I have emailed them aswell - see what happens eh? Will let you guys know what happens.
Any response Stiggy?
Has anyone else tried asking for the black wheels?
No pun intended but i'm still in the dark!
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I've had a response from the Germans saying they have forwarded my details to the main importer (or something along those lines). Then i got an email from VW uk asking for my address - so i suspect i should be getting something through the mail any time soon (i.e. next 3-4 months by vw std time :grin:)
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Dont know about you stiggy but i got a letter and a contact person from vw. Lets put it this way, i ask - 'why can't we have the black alloys in the uk' - the letter says........ 'The black alloys are not available for the uk' - well i know that - but how no? The letter does start how VW want to make the 30 ed different from the normal Gti hence the pishcara alloys???? Also it goes onto say that they are not even available for an option. Well here goes when the contact punter from VW is back from his holidays tomorrow - i'll be on the phone again - If Germany gadgy has an accident in his black wheeled 30ed how does he get a set of black alloys - whats the part No? - If successful anybody want to buy some pish wheels.......???
Also, Also. I have ordered the RCD 500 stereo upgrade pack so you can bet your bottom dollars (is'nt Bush thick!) they there will also be a question about the door rattle issue.......
Sorry for the slight diegression there, been offshore for a while now!:laugh:
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I still haven't received the letter yet but i'm not surprised by the response they gave to be honest ollieb7. Any luck from contacting the contact?
I had a word with the stealer the other day about when the car would be built and according to her, none of the cars ordered from the uk have gone into production yet!!! But seeing that my car is coming in March 1st, that should be no problem, right? Her response....it will be ready for March but can't promise for March 1st delivery! That was slightly annoying - i hope there's not a huge delay, cause i can barely wait till March in the first place. I wonder whats going on in that Wolfsburg factory....... :huh:
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Just Specced mine. Steel Grey, Xenons, Ipod, Tinted Rears.
Bloody expensive though.
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Expensive is an understatement - mine cost me approx. £26500
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Tell me about it, I went to see a second hand DSG GTI and went for a test drive...........
I then went to order a new GTI...........
I changed my mind and eneded up ordering an Edition 30.........
DSG, 5door, Reflex Silver, USB arm rest, Bi-Xenons, Highline comp. HOW MUCH! :shocked:
Only thing is that i'm now counting the weeks until the 1st of March!
Shame that they are not going to number them. How do you know if they make more?
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Well I am sure they aren't going to make more than 1500 even though they aren't numbered - is that 1500 for just the UK or across Europe? The Mk1 Campaign wasn't numbered but only 1000 of them were sold in the UK.
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I still haven't received the letter yet but i'm not surprised by the response they gave to be honest ollieb7. Any luck from contacting the contact?
More than just luck - I've got them! - Well ordered....from a UK dealer.
They are known as Rockingham Alloys 7.5x18" PN/o. 1K0601025AMZ98. Cost the same as 18" monza. I'm told they will be here next week. Just need to get that car (lots of foot tapping)
Any body interested in a brand new set of Pescara wheels for less than cost..........
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How much is less than cost ;)
Dave
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Dave, i'll do you a deal on the spare set. Email me on jiw@jiwhome.fsnet.co.uk.
Ian
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I still haven't received the letter yet but i'm not surprised by the response they gave to be honest ollieb7. Any luck from contacting the contact?
More than just luck - I've got them! - Well ordered....from a UK dealer.
They are known as Rockingham Alloys 7.5x18" PN/o. 1K0601025AMZ98. Cost the same as 18" monza. I'm told they will be here next week. Just need to get that car (lots of foot tapping)
Any body interested in a brand new set of Pescara wheels for less than cost..........
Are you sure you've got the right wheels???
Rockingham is what the 18" BBS Pescara wheel is known as on the German GTI configurator
I'd check quickly if i were you to avoid an expensive mistake!!
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/phope1/rockingham.jpg)
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Yeah, i noticed that aswell phope. However, if they are the black monzas, which dealer did you get them off ollieb7? The other thing is, are they a no cost option? If not, why should you expect to pay for the alloys if the germans have a no cost option between the black monzas and pescara (rockingham) alloys??? Daylight robery if you have to pay for the black monzas (IF these are the black ones).
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Looks like vw brochure has been updated to include the Edition 30 gti:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/pdf/golf_hatchback_brochure.pdf
I noticed something on there - under "technology" it says "Running gear - including Electronic Differential Lock." Does anyone know what this may be?
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Yeah, i noticed that aswell phope. However, if they are the black monzas, which dealer did you get them off ollieb7? The other thing is, are they a no cost option? If not, why should you expect to pay for the alloys if the germans have a no cost option between the black monzas and pescara (rockingham) alloys??? Daylight robery if you have to pay for the black monzas (IF these are the black ones).
The part No. quoted is for the black monza style - Verbally confirmed by my dealer. The Z98 designates this apparently. There are also 2 other codes - one for 'brilliant' silver and the other smoked?? If they are wrong the dealer has agreed to take them back. Yes i have had to pay for the buggers - but having once sold the others the cost should not be too much - worth it in my mind after cleaning BMW 18" MV style wheels for the last year and a half - so no hijacking my offer Waddler! I'll put a post out nearer March for the Pescaras - as near cost will be ideal.
I do agree that VW is being hard headed - to the point that i made an official complaint - But there we are!
I'll let you all know once i get them if they are indeed black!
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Hmmmm.... didn't like them at first - for a long time - but beginning to grow on me esp. since I think that the 18" Monza's are far better looking than the Pescaras... I may order a set but also wanted to get the 19" BBS Air-Inside alloys and keep the Pescaras to keep the car original so that would cost quite a bit.
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I was thinking of getting a set of 19" BBS's CH's but to be honest they are only a tad bigger than whats on it, and its the mrs car after all, she will only end up kerbing them. Was maybe thinking of getting a set of ebay Monza copies just to keep the Pescarra wheels fresh.
Think our car will look a little like this, but not as low, which I think looks quite tidy and sets the ED30 away from the standard GTi.
Dave
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/Ed_harasym/78786-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/Ed_harasym/78786-5.jpg)
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Well, i can confirm that the black monzas are indeed available 8) but not as a factory option!!! Cheers ollieb7, that was a good find mate. I went to the stealers today to the parts department and gave in the parts no. you gave earlier. 10mins later, he came back and asked which car they were for - i said edition 30 gti - he didn't have a clue what i was talking about!!! Seemed like he thought i was talking a different language! Anyway, i asked for a print out which i have infront of me now. It gives the picture of the monzas, pescaras and some other R32 alloys. Footnote to the monzas says - 1K0 601 025 AM - wheel disk alum (aluminium i presume?) - 'Rockingham' 7.5Jx18H2 ET51 - Model PR-CQ4+E2m (guy didn't even know what that meant - may refer to the model of the car) then 06/05 Z98 matt black. So, then i went next door and asked to speak to my dealer - who wasn't there - so i spoke to another guy there. I explained what was going on and caused yet more confusion, as they didn't know they were available as parts!!! Cost of each alloy - 379 quid (which is far too much - so will speak to my dealer and manager tomorrow to try and negotiate something). Apparently, the original pescara alloys will be "titan grey." How did you manage to get the deal you did ollieb7?
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Fraid i paid full whack - plan is to remove the pescara wheels even before i use them and then sell - yes i will end up out of pocket but at an amount i think will be worth in order to get the car that i want with the ease of use - also the car will look well distinctive in a factory way and not like i've nicked the wheels off a MG ZT!
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The only concern I have with the black alloys is that they will look nasty with age - won't stone chips and maybe small amounts of corrosion make them look pitted?
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The only concern I have with the black alloys is that they will look nasty with age - won't stone chips and maybe small amounts of corrosion make them look pitted?
A small touch up wirth matt black paint should do the trick - try doing that to the 25th Anniversary ball polished wheels - thankfully mine were replaced under warranty!
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looks like the ride quality on the edition 30 has been highlighted as a bad point on autocars website. something to do with lowering it an extra 15mm has affected it on rougher road conditions. Ill stick to the normal one me thinks!
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That's the first time I've heard that it has lower suspension than the ordinary GTI...no mention made on VWs website or in the German market brochure :undecided:
Autocar is by no means consistently accurate (much better than Autoexpress though)...just wonder if they've made that bit up, or misunderstood something in the spec
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I made a note of looking at any changes in suspension and from looking at the VW site a month ago, it seems to have the same 15mm lowering as the standard GTI - unless the latest brochure says otherwise.
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looks like the ride quality on the edition 30 has been highlighted as a bad point on autocars website. something to do with lowering it an extra 15mm has affected it on rougher road conditions. Ill stick to the normal one me thinks!
What? Has Autocar done a road test? None that i have seen.
Another question - Is the R32 not lower than the GTI?
Sounds like codswallup to me!
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I've read the review its online at Autocar.
Its more like a 'Can't be bothered to drive it, its just got a slightly bigger engine review' and where they get the 15mm lower from I don't know?
The Tech spec does not say anything about this, although I'm still awating to see an official review and official notification of whats different under the bonner re Turbo, ECU etc.
Dave
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Oh PS I'm going to Docks at Grimbsy tommorow so will see if I can see any just landed in UK, and take some pictures.
Dave
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Mmmmm.........I thought that it had the same ride height as the normal GTI.
If I remember right, Autocar didn't like the 25 Anni either and advised readers to keep their money unless they were a Golf nut.
Also the review in EVO this month gives the 240hp engine a good right-up ( in the Leon Cupra). It says that it pulled stonger higher up the rev range than the GTI and the FR and they didn't mention any turbo lag.
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That review in autocar is sh@$!!! Really vague and useless, sounds like they couldn't be bothered - infact, did they actually drive the car? Cause i can't see any more pictures on there other than the ones VW released. Anyway, with respect to the ride height, it clearly states in the price list brochure thingy for the golf that the sport, gt, gti and gti edition 30 have suspension lowered by approx. 15mm and the R32 by approx. 20mm so i don't see why autocar have decided that the edition 30 gti has a lowered ride height compared to the normal gti.
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I'm sure there are no 30ths in the UK so they could not have tested it.
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I'm getting my car before Christams! :wink:
http://www.shop.1zu87.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?katalog=14049
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or a real one.....
http://www.webmobil24.com/web/de/suchen/p/index.htm?showid=43066361&GBASE
http://www.webmobil24.com/web/de/suchen/p/index.htm?showid=43117853&GBASE
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How the hell did you find that! :shocked:
It looks great, esp in black. The wheels also look alot better than I expected.
The red one is 21.315,- GBP and the blck one is 23.864,- GBP
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Just google in german and there are lots for sale.
It seems most of the German cars also have the non black wheels :wink:
Dave
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Apparently, mine has already been built, with arrival at dealer (Specialist Cars Aberdeen) expected in early to mid February....just in time for March 1st delivery :smiley: :cool: :laugh:
Salesman just confirmed that to me, although he couldn't locate the build week at the time
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Nice one. Better give my dealer a call and see if he has any idea.! :tongue:
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imo, looking at the link showing real pics of an edition 30, dont those pescaro wheels look absolute pap!!!!, SHOULD BE BLACK ADVERTISED VW!!!!, black monza II would of been a better choice, and looking at the other pictures of inside the car, red tailored floor matts, red cotton on steering wheel and gear stick gaitor, the back end of the car isnt very apealing either compared to current version. it seems alot of extra dosh apart from a 30 hp inprovement for an extra £2500 on basic price , seems abit of a rip off to me. they could of and should of done better for a special edition
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I agree Phil and that's why i decided to stick with my GTi order. Most of the price is simply the prestige of a VW special edition, and if it doesn't live up to the hype with the automotive press the resale values will quickly fall into line with the standard GTi, or at least significatly less than the premium they are charging over the standard car.
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Hey, that's great news guys! The only thing is, i'm getting REALLY impatient, especially seeing the pics of the car in black!!! :laugh: :drool:
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I agree Phil and that's why i decided to stick with my GTi order. Most of the price is simply the prestige of a VW special edition, and if it doesn't live up to the hype with the automotive press the resale values will quickly fall into line with the standard GTi, or at least significatly less than the premium they are charging over the standard car.
I agree a disagree here.
If the car was nothing more than a tarted up GTi then I would say it ain't worth it.
But the key word above is 'was' (well still to be offically confirmed) if the Turbo is from the new S3 and other bits and pieces under the bonnet, then its more than just the make up that makes this car warrant a price.
Being a new to VW's owner, I don't understand why people rave about GTi's with BBS CH's on and then when the ED30 comes out they slate it, when it has them on?
Dave
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Apparently, mine has already been built, with arrival at dealer (Specialist Cars Aberdeen) expected in early to mid February....just in time for March 1st delivery :smiley: :cool: :laugh:
Salesman just confirmed that to me, although he couldn't locate the build week at the time
I must be out of favour with them after making a pain in the arse of myself over the black wheels - they havn't called me to confirm my build date!
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they never called me either....I was trying to look busy on the phone yesterday at work (to avoid some of the sh!ttier tasks that were flying around), so decided to phone VW and see what the hell was happening! :grin: :grin:
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Yeah, i think i was a right pest for them as well over the black alloys!!! Kept on ringing them and speaking to them; still didn't manage to get a deal out of them though. I think i'll wait a week or so before i give them a bell about my car for them to calm down abit......
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Sorry......I Love the Monzas & the Monza IIs. BUT I like alloy wheels to look like they are made of alloy. Why spoil a great looking pair of alloys by spraying them black. The only thing that looks good with black alloys is an F1 car. Black alloys remind me of "Chaved up" Punto GT. (No offence Ollieb7 and if we all liked the same things the world would be very boring!) :grin:
Also a good point was made by wantmygti. If they were BBS CH's I think people would be singing a different tune.
For the two grand extra, its something a little different from the normal GTI. (Not that you see that many GTIs around as it is). I love the stock GTI and thats what I was going to order. I also did think that the Edition 30 was, on first inspection, alot of money for what you get. I was going to add leather and Moza IIs and that would have been £2000, on a standard GTI. So considering that you get 18" alloys, half leather, changed front & rear valance, dark rear lights and a little more power. I dont think its bad. Also there will be only 1500 of them, there were 1800 of the 25th ANNi editions and how many of those do you see? Options on a standard GTI wont be worth much on trade in, as it will be a GTI with leather & Monza IIs. The Edition 30 will always be worth a little more, maybe not £2000 more, with it being a limited edition.
I'm not saying its perfect, as I prefer the looks of the Monza II, but the pics from the german dealership look great. :rolleyes:
Now, on another point I really don't like the front end of the R32 that much (that should get people talking :shocked:) and didn't someone say that they wanted an orange or yellow one. They could allways try the orange or yellow golf speed.......
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms_publish/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf0/ausstattungslinien/Golf_Speed.html
Mind you the leather & alcantara seats look nice. :rolleyes:
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Well to be really honest, I think the Monza II alloys look a lot classier than anything offered on the Edition 30. I don't think VW is to blame though as they did an almost perfect job on the Mk5 GTI - how can you improve on something close to perfection? :undecided:
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Agreed......
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Now, on another point I really don't like the front end of the R32 that much
Don't mind it myself too much - however if you were to spend £27k plus on a R32 how anoyed would you be when some random pulls up in a Jetta with the same front! :cry: :angry:
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i just think that £24 grand for a LOW spec gti edition 30 is way way to much,the standard gti was as we all know well over priced, cant fault the car at all, so why on earth do vw price the car almost as high now as a high spec suburu imprenza sti, when the cars performance fulls way behind the suburu's. although build quality still imo is better in ANY vw product.
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Build date confirmed week 4!
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the edition 30 is rubbish, ive seen the stats of the gti edtion 30 and r32 lined up it wieghs nearly as much as the r32 stupid price and its only .3 of a second faster to 62 with the manual gearbox
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Well that'll put the cat amogst the pigeons. Cue the explosion......
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boom?
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Build date confirmed week 4!
so you ordered yours before me, from the same dealer, and yet, mine is built before yours!!!
Go figure!
When do they expect to get delivery for you? They reckoned mid Feb for mine to arrive at dealers
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the edition 30 is rubbish, ive seen the stats of the gti edtion 30 and r32 lined up it wieghs nearly as much as the r32 stupid price and its only .3 of a second faster to 62 with the manual gearbox
or to look at it another way, it's lighter, less expensive and quicker :rolleyes:
They're both good IMHO...different characters for different needs
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Yeah have to agree there.
It is an expensive car, but I reckon it will be a good un, and if you notice all the slaging is coming from existing GTi owners :sad:, being a new GTi owner I reckon this car will be very good to me.
Dave
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the edition 30 is rubbish, ive seen the stats of the gti edtion 30 and r32 lined up it wieghs nearly as much as the r32 stupid price and its only .3 of a second faster to 62 with the manual gearbox
or to look at it another way, it's lighter, less expensive and quicker :rolleyes:
They're both good IMHO...different characters for different needs
umm no it wieghs the same as a r32 but front wheel drive and 20 bhp less
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Why would it weigh more than the GTi?
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the edition 30 is rubbish, ive seen the stats of the gti edtion 30 and r32 lined up it wieghs nearly as much as the r32 stupid price and its only .3 of a second faster to 62 with the manual gearbox
or to look at it another way, it's lighter, less expensive and quicker :rolleyes:
They're both good IMHO...different characters for different needs
umm no it wieghs the same as a r32 but front wheel drive and 20 bhp less
well, no...it's 70kgs less, (when both are DSG equipped)
All you're doing is comparing paper specs, when in reality no one here has driven the Edition 30 yet
Lets wait and see how they are in real life...I think the Edition 30 will be a quite different experience to the R32, which is also very good and was high up my list of potential cars
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GTI: 1336kg (1355 for DSG)
R32: 1550kg (1617 for DSG)
EDITION 30: 1528KG (1547 for DSG)
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/pdf/golf_hatchback_brochure.pdf
and yeh it will be different to the r32, the r32 is 4wd and looks way beter from behind
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But not from the front. :nerd:
Dave
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yeh well yu could put a gti bumper on it but ive grown to like the front of the r32
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if your profile is true and you are 13 years old, then any arguments from you about how much of a drivers car the R32 is are null and void :grin:
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dont be a stereotypical b@sterd, a 230 bhp front wheel drive car which weighs 1.5 tonnes isnt going to e as fast as a 197bhp front wheel drive car weighting 1.35 tonnes so the edition 30 is useless
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I'm not buying an ED30 for speed or Top Trumps value, I'm buying cos we wanted a good new 3dr hatch that would be reliable, well built and nippy. I fancied the GTi for a while but thought the ED30 would be a better bet as hopefully it will hold its value well.
To me speed is not top of the list when paying 23k for a car, I race a Tomcat which guess what has 230bhp and would eat any R32, for a fraction of the cost approx 1/10th of the list price. If I prang it I buy another.
VW have blatently pitched this car directly in between the R32 and std GTi, but they will all sell and be good cars, its horses for courses.
Dave
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whats a tomcat ??
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The only thing that I can think about, with regards to the weight gain is that the Edition 30 comes with 18" wheels where the standard GTI comes with 17" wheels. But 18" wheels don't weigh that much more!!!! :shocked:
The only other mechanical changes are to the turbo the cylinder head and a few other internal bits & bobs.
Anyone fancy getting onto VW customer services to see why its heavier?
Hold the post just found this:-------
Volkswagen DE website only shows that there is a 29kg difference between the GTI DSG and the Edition 30 DSG :cool:
Must be the wheels then............1376 kg for a Edition 30 (German Data) :evil:
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what the f**k are VW playing at? It has come as a real shock to me that the Edition 30 weighs almost 200kg more than the GTI... WHY??! :angry: Why is it that VW consistently make cars that they tout as performance cars but can't even get class beating performance from a special edition - I've no option but to order the bloody carbon kit... come on now, you didn't expect me to cancel the order did you? :grin: :grin:
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it has a s3 turbo which is concidrably beter but hevier and the 5 door gti comes with 18"s as standerd everything else rides on 16"s
you want a faster gti, get a standerd one and chip it with the 4 grand or w.e you save by gettin the cheeper one
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I'm guessing it's either a mistake in the brochure, or just a different way of measuring the base weight
From VW Germany
Edition 30 base weight - 1357 kg
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms_publish/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf0/zahlen___fakten/technische_daten.detail.0.14.html
GTI base weight - 1328 kg
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms_publish/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf0/zahlen___fakten/technische_daten.detail.0.12.html
R32 base weight - 1510 kg
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms_publish/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf0/zahlen___fakten/technische_daten.detail.0.16.html
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That seems more like it. Bits of leather, painted kit etc will weigh a touch more but not 200kg.
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then your german isnt very good, ive seen two places that the edition 30 is 200kg more than a gti although i must admit your figure sounds more real
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Looks like the UK figures are wrong then :grin:
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then your german isnt very good, ive seen two places that the edition 30 is 200kg more than a gti although i must admit your figure sounds more real
no, my german is crap...utterly crap.
I only have a German father, around 50 German cousins and an A grade at Scottish Higher level German, and can speak it fairly fluently too
So yes, my german isn't very good at all....I bow to your superior knowledge and experience :rolleyes:
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LOL :grin:
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One fire duly pissed on.....
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it'll take more than sum1 pissin on it to put out this fire im emailing volkswagen
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What a heated debate going on here!! Guess this is what happens when CHILDREN start to interfer, what can i say.....
The thing to note is that the 0-60 figures should be taken with a pinch of salt. The original gti is actually quicker to 60 than the literature values, so i'm pretty sure the edition 30 will be too. Many manufacturers do this for insurance purposes i'm pretty sure. Also, as the edition 30 has a bigger turbo (same as S3), as the engine is run in, it is likely to gain more bhp than the normal gti. Furthermore, it will have greater capacity to modify, due to the bigger turbo (i.e. it will be able to hack more bhp than the normal gti) - anyway, as many of you have rightly said, speed isn't the be all and end all - OVERALL, this car will be fantastic.
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Tomcat - As in Rover Tomcat, cheap cars with low 6's 0-60, 150 top end and loads of torque steer :laugh:
What are you going to e-mail VW about?
And am I right in saying you have an mk5 R32 or a mk5 GTI?
Dave
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yeh s3 turbos have infanae tuning capibilitys but you can tune them to 400hp+ that in a front wheel drive car wheel spin you into a tree and i havent got any mkv's my dads gettin a gti hopefully while his s3 is sorted and was emailing vw to see about this weight thing
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One more thing - the car will come with an electronic locking differential, which as far as i know, is very similar to a LSD (someone correct me if i'm wrong though)
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yeh they're pretty much exacly the same but they are controled electronicly
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But the EDL - electronic differential lock isn't anything special. It was even an option for the Mk2 Raylle as far as I know and appeared on Mk4 GTIs and is present on the Mk5 GTI too...
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God what a lot of goings on since i last was on here! All it needs is for a joker to plant some well chosen words and there are many biters!
Even without the figures - come on lads how in the world of physics is the 30ed going to be heavier than the heavy weight r32! Does the weight of a new Turbo equal that to 4 wheel drive hard ware??? I don't think so! There are many ways of measuring and stating weight .. get it wrong...... The ED30 maybe marketed between the GTI and R32 but the superior power to weight ratio to the R32 is going to make it a cracking car mid range and for a GTI (or most cars for that matter!) thats what counts - 0-60 is pretty meaningless - most people can't usually match it on day to day and if you do kiss your clutch (soon to be) good bye! Want 0-60 - get an do it all for you evo (or a tuned beetle!)
As for the R32 looking better from behind - i agree - thats why a matt black sticker professionaly done on the lower section of the bumper will do the trick - finish off what VW penny pinched on!
My car is supposedly to be delivered 'very early March' :undecided: Maybe they deliver white cars first as they don't have to paint them! :wink: :wink:
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One more thing..... Anyone else noticed how many views this thread has got above all the others - bloody good indication that the interest that this car is generating!
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My car is supposedly to be delivered 'very early March' :undecided: Maybe they deliver white cars first as they don't have to paint them! :wink: :wink:
:tongue: :grin:
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Fortune favours the brave, white is THE colour. Talk about turning heads? i'm luvin' it! :laugh:
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Autocar road test published with pictures (UK car)! The text is a bit different too but the 'lowered by 15mm' suspension comes in for quite a bit of criticism. The article ends 'Compare it with the regular GTI and you'll realise that it's an example of Less is more. And thats a shame'
Oh dear let the croaners croan!
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However...their hothatch ranking puts the Clio 197 first - now that car has had a slating for it's lack of low down torque. focus 2nd GTI normal 3rd. I'll wait to see what the others think (EVO esp.) before i make my mind up - could this be another Focus RS in the making?
Only the Megane is voted tops by all mags - but i've been there!
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I'd put my faith in the Evo rating. The others will slate a car on it's cup holders or some other useless criteria.
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still think though the Clean golf gti with 18 monza's on still to this day turns more heads then all hot hatches inc r32!! except from the rear of it i have to say!
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As said nowhere does it state that the ED30 is 15mm lower than a normal GTi, it certainly doesn't look that lower from the German pics and that would make it 30mm lower in total, lower than a R32.
I don't believe this article at all.
Has this been published in the actual magazine or just off the net review?
Dave
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it's in the magazine that was published today
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lovely - when clean......
http://www.webmobil24.com/images/anzeigenbilder/4/0/1/0/3/4/43010429.jpg
http://www.webmobil24.com/images/anzeigenbilder/4/0/1/0/3/4/43010429b.jpg
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Yeah I couldn't find any 3 door pictures on any German sites yet, guess they must have built the 5 door batch first?
Dave
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There is this one!
http://pic.autoscout24.de/images/6/6/7/74214766_3.jpg
http://pic.autoscout24.de/images/6/6/7/74214766_1.jpg
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Mmm nice, those wheels look very good IMO.
Dave
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Nice pics :cool: The car i will be getting will be pretty much identical to the black one in the pics - looks mighty impressive i have to say...
Why are the wheels on the red one grey, while the wheels on the black one are silver?
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Look what i found! Interesting page 6 states - 'There are no changes to the suspension'
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/first_drive.php?sid=352&page=1
Also the picture on page one is the same as the one used by Autocar - something fishy going on.
From the side the 5 door red don't half look a bit sedate - you do wonder why VW uk doesn't ask for the most visually striking model as it's press car ie 3 door, silver and black wheels! :wink:
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(http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/images/article_images/Golf30_1_560px.jpg)
I think that looks :cool: on the road
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agree from that angle... but this one...
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/images/article_images/Golf30_3_560px.jpg
has anyone actually ordered a 5 door?
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No why would you?
I also don't like red, but each to thier own.
Didn't even the desinger of the mkv admit the 5 door was not the prettiest car on the market.
Dave
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Yes I have ordered a five door. :cry: I do think that the 3 door looks much nicer. But having 2 growing kinds its a real B*ll ache having to get into the back to strap them in!
Ollieb7 spotted your posts over at UK-Mkivs forum :smug: Good find with the pics though.
I do agree, it does look great from the front and ok from the side as you guys have pointed out. I do like the red though, gone for Refles Silver as it has to be really dirty to look bad.
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aye, silver is a good colour for hiding the dirt...my TT hides the dirt fantastically well
It's just me, but every car I have has to be a different colour from the one I've had previously
Just a pyschological thing, I guess :smiley: :grin:
Have gone from blue to white to red to black to grey to silver....white it is for me next!
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Don't worry TagnuT, you're not alone with a 5dr :sad: - i had to choose 5dr aswell. But honestly, it doesn;t look that bad in a 5dr, its just the red colour and 5dr that don't mix. I'm pretty sure that in another colour, a 5dr would look alright. However, 3dr does look better.
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Read a couple of reviews of the 30 recently, neither of which was that impressive, that with the fact that the new body kit looks a bit like a cheap after market bolt on job made me come to the decission to cancel my order, which is a shame :cry:. Placed the order way back at the beginning of the year when the dealer couldn't even confirm that it was coming out, so there were no official pics or stats to go by. Going to spend some money on my standard MK5 GTI instead, after which it'll be quicker, better handeling and in my eyes nicer to look at too than the 30.
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It gets a good review in the new issue of Auto Express. I hope that you haven't been too hasty in cancelling your order. :sick:
And no mention of a poor ride either.
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It gets a good review in the new issue of Auto Express. I hope that you haven't been too hasty in cancelling your order. :sick:
And no mention of a poor ride either.
Does mention though that they wished VW had done something more adventurios with the suspension though!???? :undecided: :undecided:
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I think that the standard GTI has got the ride and handling just right.
1. I don't need a track day machine.
2. I have to live with the car everyday. So I want something that I can have fun with when I want to and not loosen my fillings!
3. I'm not a Journo and have a different car each week.
4. I plan to keep the car and its my own money too.!
If you get my drift.l
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I think that the standard GTI has got the ride and handling just right.
1. I don't need a track day machine.
2. I have to live with the car everyday. So I want something that I can have fun with when I want to and not loosen my fillings!
3. I'm not a Journo and have a different car each week.
4. I plan to keep the car and its my own money too.!
If you get my drift.l
spot on :smiley:
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i too agree about that . i think the edition 30 is a poor effort overall for a limited edition.As i look at it from the photos so far ive come to the conclusion;
1. the gti is a better option
2.£2000 extra for some red stitching, a pimply gear knob, painted front splitter and rear painted bumper.
3. No full leather option
4. Wheels that in my opinion dont look as disarable then the 18"monza's on the standard
5 £22500 car at BASIC spec is too high before you even think of adding extras to it to make it look the business, ie xeon lights, dsg if youve used one before, Considering the standard gti price is too high as it was compared to the competion hot hatch market.
6. ride according to the car mags is not as good in the ed 30 then the standard car.
7. give it what 2 months, ebay will be selling edition 30 badges FOR £10 to make yours look IDENTICAL!!.
im glad ive opted for a 5 door, like me if your a family man and have little ones, i wouldnt have the car in 3 door, like in the previous thread, i think 5 door looks as good and makes more practical sense for a family car.and i woudnt get forced by the ball and chain to sell her if the family size was to increase.
dont get me wrong i just think the ed 30 is a waste of money, too highly priced, wont gain much later on resale give it a few years compared to standard gti. THEY SHOULD OF DONE BETTER VW. but how could u improve imo a perfect mk5 gti
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It's all about the extra POWER or am I the only one that thinks 2k for 30hp plus some other goodies is not a bad deal (Just look at the difference and price between a Boxster and Boxster S
). Knowing you can live with both the ST and VXR boys on the straights and have top notch build quality too means it has to be worth the premium. In fact, i'd bet it kicks out more than +30hp.
Ok wheels aren't great but you can always keep and add on a set of Monza's if you care about the looks.
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Thing is all these comments are coming from people who already have a mkv GTi.
Anyone like me, who hasn't sampled the delights of mkv driving yet, thinks a normal GTi is still expensive compared to the competition.
However I'm still thinking the ED30 is a good buy for us.
Dave
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Thing is all these comments are coming from people who already have a mkv GTi.
Anyone like me, who hasn't sampled the delights of mkv driving yet, thinks a normal GTi is still expensive compared to the competition.
However I'm still thinking the ED30 is a good buy for us.
Dave
If i had a normal GTI and saw one with an extra factory 30 horses then i'd also be peeved that i had the wrong car and make alsorts of excuses! :grin: :wink:
However.... i do agree that VW could have made more of an effort - more driver focused - more 'cup' like - more fancy 'trophy' damper, LSD like! But oh well - i'll just pay me's money and still get a cracking car....and if you think about it £2k is not that much taking into account what most manufacturers charge for upgrades - ie porsche, bmw etc etc... I took the decision...Recaro's or an extra 30hp....What can i say .... i'm a petrol head - i'd sit on a blanket for more power!
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Since buying my first VW a G reg Jetta GTi, about 16 years ago ( it was one of the best cars I have ever owned) I have had a lot of VW's. Including a Corrado and a couple of Gti's, just put my Mk V in p/x for the Edition 30. I think a lot of people on this site are missing the point, its each to their own, thats why there's so many different manufacturers and models out there to try and please us all. I have viewed this site for some time but not been able to access the forum before. I would say if you dont own a GTi then why bother placing disparaging remarks on the site, it is for enthusiasts and /or feedback for problems glitches etc, isn't it.
I note that one hot topic is the specification discussion, some of us are going to be disappointed about the mp3 connection. Apparently VW have had problems with the one fitted to UK spec cars and you cannot now request it factory fitted. I have had help from my local dealer who I should add is one of the best I have dealt with thats Haseldens at Doncaster, they have arranged for me to have it fitted after delivery. I ordered and put a deposit on my car at the end of October beginning of November and have been quoted a week 4 build commencement. I note there is a lot of discussion over 3 or 5 door colour etc, I have twice had black cars, never again every spec shows on them. So I am going for a red 5 door, Lux pack 1, centre armrest and this mp 3 fitting. I agree with other users, for a hot hatch the ride quality is second to none and in the 21 months that I had mine, not a single problem, rattle or anything. I got 27mpg when having fun saw 48 mpg one hot summer day tootling back home from York, who wants a rattly smelly diesel ! :laugh: Looking forward to the new car :drool: and I am sure it will be a super car, my MK V was, sorry to see it, go let me tell you, roll on March 2007 :grin:.
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Some interesting and fair comments there. I actually have a few (one) confessions to make - this is the first time i'm buying a gti. Thing is, i've always been a gti fan but i personally believe the mk4 and mk3 gtis have been a bad patch for vw (no offence to anyone with a mk3 or 4 though :wink:). Since the mk2 gti, the mk5 gti has been the best model in my opinion (due to its ability to be an all rounder) and i have test drove it many times now. I was about to place an order on a normal gti when i found out a special edition will be introduced, back in May. So, i thought this was an opportunity to get something already fantastic, only better. So, this will be a complete surprise for me as i don't know what to expect at all, not only because i've never actually owned a mk5 gti, but because i have never had the privalege to own a gti anyway. Therefore, i am expecting this car to put a huge grin on my face come March, which will remain for the years to come!!
Got confirmation of allocation on my car as well - will start to be produced 22nd January (week 4), and will be expecting delivery on March 1st - bring it on!!! :cool:
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I'd love to have the white 30th edition, but i'd rather put the money towards other options on a standard GTI. Might even have to get a used (lack of money) white one, and there aren't many about. It must be white! When/if i get one, i'll have to get that rear bumper sprayed though.
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I'd love to have the white 30th edition, but i'd rather put the money towards other options on a standard GTI. Might even have to get a used (lack of money) white one, and there aren't many about. It must be white! When/if i get one, i'll have to get that rear bumper sprayed though.
I got a used white gti, 06 plate for £18995. Had it for 5 weeks now, never saw another....so far, plenty of envious looks though :drool:
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Mr Tibbs, when you say that they are having a problem do you mean the USB armrest option or mp3 playback on the headunit?
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Tagnut,
I have replied to your e-mail but just in case anyone else has ordered a usb connection and centre armrest, the usb connection is NOT :cry: available from the factory. You will need to source an audio electrician to retro fit you a lead like I have, (my dealer knew someone). Any problems either e-mail me or let me know on the forum
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Thanks Mr Tibbs,
Thanks for the information and prompt reply. I think I will be giving them a call today to see what the situation is as I have heard nothing from the dealer since they had my deposit.
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Anybody worked out this spring issue?
Is it 15mm lower and too harsh - Autocar
Does the suspension need more of a tweek as the normal GTI is too composed and boring - Autoexpress
Or is it just bog standard? CAR.
My bets is the latter - any picture i have seen of the car makes it look quite high esp at the rear??
Latest on the wheels - 3 have arrived??? The other next week!
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proper pics of the wheels when you get them, please :smiley: :cool:
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Anybody worked out this spring issue?
Is it 15mm lower and too harsh - Autocar
Does the suspension need more of a tweek as the normal GTI is too composed and boring - Autoexpress
Or is it just bog standard? CAR.
My bets is the latter - any picture i have seen of the car makes it look quite high esp at the rear??
Latest on the wheels - 3 have arrived??? The other next week!
Autocar review was sloppy, IMHO
I always understood that the suspension was unchanged from ordinary GTIs...can't see why they would change it myself...the GTIs I've driven are plenty low/firm enough for me :)
If anything, the only mod to the suspension I would consider myself are the Koni FSD dampers to help improve the low speed ride
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I was thinking of putting koni fsd dampers on as well. Does this do anything to the warranty? what kind of mods make the warranty void?
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well, fitting aftermarket suspension components will probably void any warranty related to stock suspension components, springs, CV joints and driveshafts, to be honest
It won't affect warranty claims for items such as stereo, engine and electrical items, etc
That's how I've always understood the general principle...1 item can't really void the entire warranty for all components...and I think a court of law would be interested to learn from VW exactly how a suspension modification could void responsibility for stereo problems, for example :smiley:
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Hi guys, my first post but been following this post for the last few weeks.
I put a deposit down on an GTi Edition 30 today. A 3door in Tornado Red, with DSG and Xenons (and the highline computer)
Cheers to all the people who have listed info on here, it really helped me make a decision on the car.
Roll on March the 1st .........
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good good...which dealer did you use in the end?
I've started buying bits for mine already....roll on March 1st!
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/phope1/fd_3.jpg)
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Ended up going with Weston Super Mare (nr Bristol) as they seemed pretty switched on, could get me the car i wanted when i wanted. Unlike Bristol who were more concerned with trying to sell me the E30 they ordered as a 'demo' and didnt return phone calls.
Is there like an official thread/website for people who have ordered the E30?
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ah right...mine has been ordered from Specialist VW here in Aberdeen
No official threads/sections as far as I can see on any of the usual suspect websites....we should maybe start a pic thread for the E30s when we all pick them up in March!
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No official threads/sections as far as I can see on any of the usual suspect websites....we should maybe start a pic thread for the E30s when we all pick them up in March!
There is now..........
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=52155.new#new
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No official threads/sections as far as I can see on any of the usual suspect websites....we should maybe start a pic thread for the E30s when we all pick them up in March!
There is now..........
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=52155.new#new
Is this the death of this thread then??? Maybe others are starting new threads on the subject as this one is too long to read - hence these new ones (autocar jobbie) where all the old stuff is getting talked about again days after it happened??
RIP! :wink:
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I think the other one was just to easily see what cars have been ordered and in what spec
Probably best to keep this one going, and use the other one just for showing off/order confirmation! :grin:
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I'll stick to this thread too.
Wish I had orderded white now, as your sig pic looks mint.
Dave
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Now that there are 2 ed30 threads, i'm confused where to go!
Ollieb7, make sure you post some pics of the alloy wheels - i still haven't decided whether to buy a set or not. I like them, but now that i've found out i'll have to pay a hefty premium for them, i'm not so sure (as i was planning to keep the bbs wheels for selling the car on later). I really tried hard to haggle with the dealer but they didn't budge. Do you know if there is a limit or something on how many of these alloy wheels can be dispatched to UK? Not that many people will be buying them, as it seems most people hate them. I think its a marmite thing!
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There you are! ive obviously changed my signiture (bit big). I think marmite looks great but tastes awfull!
Should get wheels this / next week. The wheels are available to order from VW UK so i shouldn't think there will be any problem. If you like them get them - i'm obviously going to sell the pescaras so it makes it more financially viable (no doubt still cost though!) but to keep a set just for resale??? I don't think it will make that much difference - it's not like they are after market wheels, infact an enthusiast may even pay more to have 'the german look'.
My wife is in line for the car once i done my bit in 3 years so it dosn't worry me - washing the spokey numbers for that number of years does! :sick:
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AE has more pictures today of the fugly 5 door in red, what a terrible press car to have.
Just imagine if they had have had a 3 door candy white, with xennons, that would make you want to go and buy one and I reckon none of the press would have slated its exterior looks either.
Makes the Red Type R look way better.
Dave
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Ordered mine last November.
Red - then Grey - then Red again - then Grey again then finally Black (what a mess I was in).
Xenons
Rear tints
DVD with Ipod
MFSW
Lux Pk 1
Ordered from Gilbert Lawton (Nr Manchester)
NO DISCOUNT
Fair trade in on my existing Mk5 GTI
Never been disapointed with the current car apart from those rusty wheel hubs and a few trim niggles here and there.
Looking forward to seeing the build quility on the ED30 (my current car was one of the first GTI's in the UK - it was good but I like perfect !).
Isn't this year going slow !!!!!!!
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There you are! ive obviously changed my signiture (bit big). I think marmite looks great but tastes awfull!
Should get wheels this / next week. The wheels are available to order from VW UK so i shouldn't think there will be any problem. If you like them get them - i'm obviously going to sell the pescaras so it makes it more financially viable (no doubt still cost though!) but to keep a set just for resale??? I don't think it will make that much difference - it's not like they are after market wheels, infact an enthusiast may even pay more to have 'the german look'.
My wife is in line for the car once i done my bit in 3 years so it dosn't worry me - washing the spokey numbers for that number of years does! :sick:
Thanks for the advice mate - you've got a point about a new set of alloys not really making much of a difference on resale - dunno what i was thinking! I've decided to go for the black alloys after all (eventually - after i've saved up some dosh!!! :smug:) after the car comes. After all, can't leave you on your own in the "black monza ed 30 gti club!!!"
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I know, shall we make a seperate thread for those with an ed 30 gti and black monzas?!!! :grin: :wink:
Sorry...just getting abit carried away. I think i'm having "i can't wait until March" syndrome!!! :cry:
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I've decided to go for the black alloys after all (eventually - after i've saved up some dosh!!! :smug:) after the car comes. After all, can't leave you on your own in the "black monza ed 30 gti club!!!"
What can i say! Good choice Stiggy :smiley:
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Found some pics of an ed 30, black pearl, with black alloys - even though its really poor photography. In these crap photos, the alloys look pretty cool :cool:
http://www.autoscout24.de/home/index/detail.asp?id=roiogizoigt&TFCA=1774.924
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Found some more (better?) pics:
http://eng.autoscout24.com/home/index/detail.asp?ts=245301.3&id=2yrfrkqn1ih&sc=&make=74&eurofrom=25000&euroto=40000&zip=
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Sorry but IMO black with black wheels looks shocking. :sick:
Dave
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I agree, looks crap, too much black.
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i agree - too much black :sick: - however in the flesh it could well look better - i mean how bad does the interior look in the photos - well gray :sick: :sick: - And we know its not that bad in real life!
Black on black still wouldn't be my choice (obviously!)