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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: AGB on 03 March 2023, 11:22
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Hey All
I've had a look online but couldn't see any reference to this issue so was wondering if any owners of Clubsport / Clubsport S cars with the bucket seats have ever noticed the seat losing back position?
Virtually every time I get in the car, I end up adjusting the seat a few rotations clockwise (towards the dash). I wonder if there is a part that just needs some tightening as it moves and locks but under load, I think it eases. Perhaps I don't notice it slipping as much as when I get into the car and it feels obvious that I'm not in my normal driving position.
Quite difficult to gauge an accurate control to measure changes because two or three rotations of the adjustment wheel are not hugely obvious by eye.
Don't have this problem in the TCR. Appreciate it's a slightly different seat.
Any advice or experience appreciated.
Thanks
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Could be the coil spring on the seat mechanism has jumped slightly and it's got reduce clamp strength causing this. My brother's R32 has the same Recaros and has never had an issue in the 8 odd years he's had it.
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Yep, my Recaros do exactly the same.
So much so I have put a marker on the backrest so I know where to readjust it to without faffing about.
Googled the issue but unfortunately drew a blank on a fix.
Let me know if you find a fix, I even emailed a Recaro repair agent but they never responded.
Can't even see anything for me to investigate looking at the parts diagram -
https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/vw/RDW/GOLF/746/8/881/881030
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This thread proves ultimately to be unhelpful but it might be useful - http://www.the370z.com/nismo-370z/124257-recaro-seat-back-wont-hold-position-2.html
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No issues with mine, not even a creak!
With just over 12k miles of road use maybe I have this to look forward to?
At what mileage are owners starting to experience problems?
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Could be the coil spring on the seat mechanism has jumped slightly and it's got reduce clamp strength causing this. My brother's R32 has the same Recaros and has never had an issue in the 8 odd years he's had it.
That makes a lot of sense. I don't want to have to take apart the seat as I don't have an assembly diagram. I can figure it out but I will find no joy in the process!
Out of interest, how did you brother end up with 2016 Clubsport seats in his R32? They're obscenely expensive from VW and likely 50% of the value of his car!
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This thread proves ultimately to be unhelpful but it might be useful - http://www.the370z.com/nismo-370z/124257-recaro-seat-back-wont-hold-position-2.html
Appreciate the share, I'll have a proper read of the article when I'm more awake! Been a long day. Sometimes these articles can trigger an idea or give you the knowledge to ask a different question. All valuable.
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No issues with mine, not even a creak!
With just over 12k miles of road use maybe I have this to look forward to?
At what mileage are owners starting to experience problems?
I'm at 16k and I think I must have started to notice it around 2k miles but wasn't sure if it was my imagination.
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Yep, my Recaros do exactly the same.
So much so I have put a marker on the backrest so I know where to readjust it to without faffing about.
Googled the issue but unfortunately drew a blank on a fix.
Let me know if you find a fix, I even emailed a Recaro repair agent but they never responded.
Can't even see anything for me to investigate looking at the parts diagram -
https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/vw/RDW/GOLF/746/8/881/881030
Thanks. I suspect it's one of those things that is such a pain in the backside that it's easier to pretend it doesn't exist on the part of the repairer and owner!
I have some contacts in Germany so I'll see where I get to.
Glad that I'm not the only one, thought I was going mad.
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Could be the coil spring on the seat mechanism has jumped slightly and it's got reduce clamp strength causing this. My brother's R32 has the same Recaros and has never had an issue in the 8 odd years he's had it.
That makes a lot of sense. I don't want to have to take apart the seat as I don't have an assembly diagram. I can figure it out but I will find no joy in the process!
Out of interest, how did you brother end up with 2016 Clubsport seats in his R32? They're obscenely expensive from VW and likely 50% of the value of his car!
They’re Mk5 Wingback seats, VW have been selling them since the mk5 as an option and never redesigned them, so full leather which is nice. Also it’s barely got 40k miles on it and the prices on them are going up exorbitantly.
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Google "self reclining Recaros" and its a pretty common issue.
The earlier Recaros were an easy fix as the fibre washer crumbled and was simple to replace see here at about 8 mins in -
https://youtu.be/14yRoJUVej4
I fear its not as an easy fix with ours.
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Could be the coil spring on the seat mechanism has jumped slightly and it's got reduce clamp strength causing this. My brother's R32 has the same Recaros and has never had an issue in the 8 odd years he's had it.
That makes a lot of sense. I don't want to have to take apart the seat as I don't have an assembly diagram. I can figure it out but I will find no joy in the process!
Out of interest, how did you brother end up with 2016 Clubsport seats in his R32? They're obscenely expensive from VW and likely 50% of the value of his car!
They’re Mk5 Wingback seats, VW have been selling them since the mk5 as an option and never redesigned them, so full leather which is nice. Also it’s barely got 40k miles on it and the prices on them are going up exorbitantly.
I'm surprised they haven't serialised the seats at manufacturer given their cost. I think at replacement cost, the seats constitute 1/3 of the value of my CSS! I really wish I was joking.
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Could be the coil spring on the seat mechanism has jumped slightly and it's got reduce clamp strength causing this. My brother's R32 has the same Recaros and has never had an issue in the 8 odd years he's had it.
That makes a lot of sense. I don't want to have to take apart the seat as I don't have an assembly diagram. I can figure it out but I will find no joy in the process!
Out of interest, how did you brother end up with 2016 Clubsport seats in his R32? They're obscenely expensive from VW and likely 50% of the value of his car!
They’re Mk5 Wingback seats, VW have been selling them since the mk5 as an option and never redesigned them, so full leather which is nice. Also it’s barely got 40k miles on it and the prices on them are going up exorbitantly.
I'm surprised they haven't serialised the seats at manufacturer given their cost. I think at replacement cost, the seats constitute 1/3 of the value of my CSS! I really wish I was joking.
I believe VW/Audi own the design which is why. Also iirc the mk5 seats when all parts bought separately total £3k-£4k for the pair, so I'd probably look at the mk5 parts if you need replacement parts as they are identical.
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Im sure ive read before, on Pistonheads IIRC, about a B7 RS4 which had the wingback seats either stolen or, because he had taken steps to prevent them being removed vandalised, and you have to buy them in component form and build them up and the cost was about 12k due to 120 hours labour at Audi!!
I thought the Mk5 wingbacks were made by Koenig??
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I thought the Mk5 wingbacks were made by Koenig??
That's the mk4 R32 seats
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Im sure ive read before, on Pistonheads IIRC, about a B7 RS4 which had the wingback seats either stolen or, because he had taken steps to prevent them being removed vandalised, and you have to buy them in component form and build them up and the cost was about 12k due to 120 hours labour at Audi!!
I thought the Mk5 wingbacks were made by Koenig??
The Audi wingbacks are different again, as they have lumbar support. I also remember back in the B7's people were robbing the wingbacks and insurance companies were writing the cars off.
As JV said Mk4 were Koenig, which also looked epic.
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Could be the coil spring on the seat mechanism has jumped slightly and it's got reduce clamp strength causing this. My brother's R32 has the same Recaros and has never had an issue in the 8 odd years he's had it.
That makes a lot of sense. I don't want to have to take apart the seat as I don't have an assembly diagram. I can figure it out but I will find no joy in the process!
Out of interest, how did you brother end up with 2016 Clubsport seats in his R32? They're obscenely expensive from VW and likely 50% of the value of his car!
They’re Mk5 Wingback seats, VW have been selling them since the mk5 as an option and never redesigned them, so full leather which is nice. Also it’s barely got 40k miles on it and the prices on them are going up exorbitantly.
I'm surprised they haven't serialised the seats at manufacturer given their cost. I think at replacement cost, the seats constitute 1/3 of the value of my CSS! I really wish I was joking.
I believe VW/Audi own the design which is why. Also iirc the mk5 seats when all parts bought separately total £3k-£4k for the pair, so I'd probably look at the mk5 parts if you need replacement parts as they are identical.
The VAG parts bin is a broad church! Appreciate the tip, I need to find the problem first.
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Im sure ive read before, on Pistonheads IIRC, about a B7 RS4 which had the wingback seats either stolen or, because he had taken steps to prevent them being removed vandalised, and you have to buy them in component form and build them up and the cost was about 12k due to 120 hours labour at Audi!!
I thought the Mk5 wingbacks were made by Koenig??
It's a similar situation with the CS/CSS Recaro. I heard about someone having his seats stolen and it prompted me to lodge a request with my dealer for a replacement estimate. Took about 3 days to get the answer and it was the parts manager who phoned me. He'd clearly been run around in getting to the answer. Figure was £12-£13k and he estimated a day or two in the workshop to assemble them as he had to order a few hundred parts and build the seat up.
He quoted parts and labour separately but I also recall him saying that an assembly diagram wasn't available because he wanted to offer that as an option for me to do it myself.
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Im sure ive read before, on Pistonheads IIRC, about a B7 RS4 which had the wingback seats either stolen or, because he had taken steps to prevent them being removed vandalised, and you have to buy them in component form and build them up and the cost was about 12k due to 120 hours labour at Audi!!
I thought the Mk5 wingbacks were made by Koenig??
It's a similar situation with the CS/CSS Recaro. I heard about someone having his seats stolen and it prompted me to lodge a request with my dealer for a replacement estimate. Took about 3 days to get the answer and it was the parts manager who phoned me. He'd clearly been run around in getting to the answer. Figure was £12-£13k and he estimated a day or two in the workshop to assemble them as he had to order a few hundred parts and build the seat up.
He quoted parts and labour separately but I also recall him saying that an assembly diagram wasn't available because he wanted to offer that as an option for me to do it myself.
I'd imagine the actual fabric cover on the CS recaros is one of the big ticket items on that list as you can't even buy them anymore! As I've see a few people burn a hole in theirs with a cigarette lighter and they can't get a new seat cover.
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Im sure ive read before, on Pistonheads IIRC, about a B7 RS4 which had the wingback seats either stolen or, because he had taken steps to prevent them being removed vandalised, and you have to buy them in component form and build them up and the cost was about 12k due to 120 hours labour at Audi!!
I thought the Mk5 wingbacks were made by Koenig??
It's a similar situation with the CS/CSS Recaro. I heard about someone having his seats stolen and it prompted me to lodge a request with my dealer for a replacement estimate. Took about 3 days to get the answer and it was the parts manager who phoned me. He'd clearly been run around in getting to the answer. Figure was £12-£13k and he estimated a day or two in the workshop to assemble them as he had to order a few hundred parts and build the seat up.
He quoted parts and labour separately but I also recall him saying that an assembly diagram wasn't available because he wanted to offer that as an option for me to do it myself.
I'd imagine the actual fabric cover on the CS recaros is one of the big ticket items on that list as you can't even buy them anymore! As I've see a few people burn a hole in theirs with a cigarette lighter and they can't get a new seat cover.
i don't remember it being exceptionally expensive at the time but I was probably more distracted by the grand total. If they're running down on supplies, supply and demand. Top tip, thanks. I may invest in some to put aside even though I don't allow anything but water in my cars.
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i don't remember it being exceptionally expensive at the time but I was probably more distracted by the grand total. If they're running down on supplies, supply and demand. Top tip, thanks. I may invest in some to put aside even though I don't allow anything but water in my cars.
Seat cover is £758.77 and the rear backrest cover is about £1363, according to here -
https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/vw/RDW/GOLF/746/8/881/881030