Clubsport Seats

[madstaff]

Google "self reclining Recaros" and its a pretty common issue.

The earlier Recaros were an easy fix as the fibre washer crumbled and was simple to replace see here at about 8 mins in -
https://youtu.be/14yRoJUVej4

 I fear its not as an easy fix with ours.

[AGB]

Could be the coil spring on the seat mechanism has jumped slightly and it's got reduce clamp strength causing this. My brother's R32 has the same Recaros and has never had an issue in the 8 odd years he's had it.

That makes a lot of sense. I don't want to have to take apart the seat as I don't have an assembly diagram. I can figure it out but I will find no joy in the process!

Out of interest, how did you brother end up with 2016 Clubsport seats in his R32? They're obscenely expensive from VW and likely 50% of the value of his car!

They’re Mk5 Wingback seats, VW have been selling them since the mk5 as an option and never redesigned them, so full leather which is nice. Also it’s barely got 40k miles on it and the prices on them are going up exorbitantly.

I'm surprised they haven't serialised the seats at manufacturer given their cost. I think at replacement cost, the seats constitute 1/3 of the value of my CSS! I really wish I was joking.

[willni]

Could be the coil spring on the seat mechanism has jumped slightly and it's got reduce clamp strength causing this. My brother's R32 has the same Recaros and has never had an issue in the 8 odd years he's had it.

That makes a lot of sense. I don't want to have to take apart the seat as I don't have an assembly diagram. I can figure it out but I will find no joy in the process!

Out of interest, how did you brother end up with 2016 Clubsport seats in his R32? They're obscenely expensive from VW and likely 50% of the value of his car!

They’re Mk5 Wingback seats, VW have been selling them since the mk5 as an option and never redesigned them, so full leather which is nice. Also it’s barely got 40k miles on it and the prices on them are going up exorbitantly.

I'm surprised they haven't serialised the seats at manufacturer given their cost. I think at replacement cost, the seats constitute 1/3 of the value of my CSS! I really wish I was joking.

I believe VW/Audi own the design which is why. Also iirc the mk5 seats when all parts bought separately total £3k-£4k for the pair, so I'd probably look at the mk5 parts if you need replacement parts as they are identical.

[madstaff]

Im sure ive read before, on Pistonheads IIRC, about a B7 RS4 which had the wingback seats either stolen or, because he had taken steps to prevent them being removed vandalised, and you have to buy them in component form and build them up and the cost was about 12k due to 120 hours labour at Audi!!

I thought the Mk5 wingbacks were made by Koenig??

[jv]

I thought the Mk5 wingbacks were made by Koenig??

That's the mk4 R32 seats

[willni]

Im sure ive read before, on Pistonheads IIRC, about a B7 RS4 which had the wingback seats either stolen or, because he had taken steps to prevent them being removed vandalised, and you have to buy them in component form and build them up and the cost was about 12k due to 120 hours labour at Audi!!

I thought the Mk5 wingbacks were made by Koenig??

The Audi wingbacks are different again, as they have lumbar support. I also remember back in the B7's people were robbing the wingbacks and insurance companies were writing the cars off.

As JV said Mk4 were Koenig, which also looked epic.

[AGB]

Could be the coil spring on the seat mechanism has jumped slightly and it's got reduce clamp strength causing this. My brother's R32 has the same Recaros and has never had an issue in the 8 odd years he's had it.

That makes a lot of sense. I don't want to have to take apart the seat as I don't have an assembly diagram. I can figure it out but I will find no joy in the process!

Out of interest, how did you brother end up with 2016 Clubsport seats in his R32? They're obscenely expensive from VW and likely 50% of the value of his car!

They’re Mk5 Wingback seats, VW have been selling them since the mk5 as an option and never redesigned them, so full leather which is nice. Also it’s barely got 40k miles on it and the prices on them are going up exorbitantly.

I'm surprised they haven't serialised the seats at manufacturer given their cost. I think at replacement cost, the seats constitute 1/3 of the value of my CSS! I really wish I was joking.

I believe VW/Audi own the design which is why. Also iirc the mk5 seats when all parts bought separately total £3k-£4k for the pair, so I'd probably look at the mk5 parts if you need replacement parts as they are identical.

The VAG parts bin is a broad church! Appreciate the tip, I need to find the problem first.

[AGB]

Im sure ive read before, on Pistonheads IIRC, about a B7 RS4 which had the wingback seats either stolen or, because he had taken steps to prevent them being removed vandalised, and you have to buy them in component form and build them up and the cost was about 12k due to 120 hours labour at Audi!!

I thought the Mk5 wingbacks were made by Koenig??

It's a similar situation with the CS/CSS Recaro. I heard about someone having his seats stolen and it prompted me to lodge a request with my dealer for a replacement estimate. Took about 3 days to get the answer and it was the parts manager who phoned me. He'd clearly been run around in getting to the answer. Figure was £12-£13k and he estimated a day or two in the workshop to assemble them as he had to order a few hundred parts and build the seat up.

He quoted parts and labour separately but I also recall him saying that an assembly diagram wasn't available because he wanted to offer that as an option for me to do it myself.

[willni]

Im sure ive read before, on Pistonheads IIRC, about a B7 RS4 which had the wingback seats either stolen or, because he had taken steps to prevent them being removed vandalised, and you have to buy them in component form and build them up and the cost was about 12k due to 120 hours labour at Audi!!

I thought the Mk5 wingbacks were made by Koenig??

It's a similar situation with the CS/CSS Recaro. I heard about someone having his seats stolen and it prompted me to lodge a request with my dealer for a replacement estimate. Took about 3 days to get the answer and it was the parts manager who phoned me. He'd clearly been run around in getting to the answer. Figure was £12-£13k and he estimated a day or two in the workshop to assemble them as he had to order a few hundred parts and build the seat up.

He quoted parts and labour separately but I also recall him saying that an assembly diagram wasn't available because he wanted to offer that as an option for me to do it myself.

I'd imagine the actual fabric cover on the CS recaros is one of the big ticket items on that list as you can't even buy them anymore! As I've see a few people burn a hole in theirs with a cigarette lighter and they can't get a new seat cover.

[AGB]

Im sure ive read before, on Pistonheads IIRC, about a B7 RS4 which had the wingback seats either stolen or, because he had taken steps to prevent them being removed vandalised, and you have to buy them in component form and build them up and the cost was about 12k due to 120 hours labour at Audi!!

I thought the Mk5 wingbacks were made by Koenig??

It's a similar situation with the CS/CSS Recaro. I heard about someone having his seats stolen and it prompted me to lodge a request with my dealer for a replacement estimate. Took about 3 days to get the answer and it was the parts manager who phoned me. He'd clearly been run around in getting to the answer. Figure was £12-£13k and he estimated a day or two in the workshop to assemble them as he had to order a few hundred parts and build the seat up.

He quoted parts and labour separately but I also recall him saying that an assembly diagram wasn't available because he wanted to offer that as an option for me to do it myself.

I'd imagine the actual fabric cover on the CS recaros is one of the big ticket items on that list as you can't even buy them anymore! As I've see a few people burn a hole in theirs with a cigarette lighter and they can't get a new seat cover.

i don't remember it being exceptionally expensive at the time but I was probably more distracted by the grand total. If they're running down on supplies, supply and demand. Top tip, thanks. I may invest in some to put aside even though I don't allow anything but water in my cars.