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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: RichardP on 07 July 2020, 11:00
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Hi all
New on here.
Got myself a nice 2016 Clubsport Editon 40 about 2 months ago.Iam just starting to get to know it.
Overall a great car love the engine handling and sheer quality of it.I got a pure white one.Never had a white car before but finding it very practical.
Weaknesses?just 2 areas I feel can be improved on....
1.Its too quiet!!! That's an easy one to solve and after much deliberation ordered a BCS powervalve cat back from the guys in St Helen's that should sort it...just 3 weeks to wait.
2.On the roads ( I think they count as roads?) here in Halifax the car on 19s without DCC is very harsh and fidgety great on the smooth stuff we just dont have much of that round here!My perfect spec would have been 18s with DCC but that proved impossible.Bought mine on mileage 5000 and condition and was not going to compromise that for wheel sizes.
So 2 solutions.
Already fitted a set of Ohlins road and track.Great upgrade and really makes one hello of a difference.Bit pricey but having had them on 10 days I feel worth it.
Found a set of Belvedere 18s so they are on the way.Will ditch the 19 Brescias.
That's it for now...which sounds ominous for my wallet!
Welcome any thoughts folk might have on my mods?
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Congrats!
I very nearly bought an ED40, but didn't, so cannot help, but congrats on what I think is an excellent car. I should think the 18's will be much better, I would have done the same had I bought one and had it had 19's. Comfort aside, they are the best looking wheel IMO.
Good luck
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Welcome RichardP!
Great choice of car and your planned mods sound very good. I run a non DCC car on 18s and find it very compliant, not sure how heavy the Brescias are but the 18s are super light and this definitely help the suspension and road manners but it would be great to hear your view in detail once they are on the car.
A summary of the Ohlins compared to stock would be good to read too. If you have any questions more than happy to share my view.
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Hi Richard. Congratulations on a new purchase :grin:
I'm from Halifax as well and I didn't really notice any differences at all between 18s and 19s wheels. on Previous GTI I was on 18s now GTi PP is on Brescias as well and the ride is exactly the same if not better :shocked:
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Hi Richard. Congratulations on a new purchase :grin:
I'm from Halifax as well and I didn't really notice any differences at all between 18s and 19s wheels. on Previous GTI I was on 18s now GTi PP is on Brescias as well and the ride is exactly the same if not better :shocked:
It’s not the size that improves the ride and suspension compliance, it’s the weight, the Clubsport 18s are forged and very light. Not sure weights of the standard 18s or optional 19s but I heard they are around 5kg heavier per wheel and that’s what makes the difference.
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It’s not the size that improves the ride and suspension compliance, it’s the weight, the Clubsport 18s are forged and very light. Not sure weights of the standard 18s or optional 19s but I heard they are around 5kg heavier per wheel and that’s what makes the difference.
Belvedere 18s are 7.6kg Paul, link below.
I believe the Brescia 19s are about 11ish...
https://www.fuchsfelge.com/en/wheel-program/detail/vw-golf-leichtbau-schmiederad-409.html (https://www.fuchsfelge.com/en/wheel-program/detail/vw-golf-leichtbau-schmiederad-409.html)
Welcome to the Edition 40 Richard... :cool:
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It’s not the size that improves the ride and suspension compliance, it’s the weight, the Clubsport 18s are forged and very light. Not sure weights of the standard 18s or optional 19s but I heard they are around 5kg heavier per wheel and that’s what makes the difference.
Belvedere 18s are 7.6kg Paul, link below.
I believe the Brescia 19s are about 11ish...
https://www.fuchsfelge.com/en/wheel-program/detail/vw-golf-leichtbau-schmiederad-409.html (https://www.fuchsfelge.com/en/wheel-program/detail/vw-golf-leichtbau-schmiederad-409.html)
Welcome to the Edition 40 Richard... :cool:
Thanks for confirming the weight Richard!
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Hi and thanks for your welcomes!
Paul 70 asked for a comparison of stock to Ohlins.Iam no suspension expert but can give some subjects thoughts.
On stock I had a problem on some of our rougher roads.Very crashy and fidgety spending more time driving around imperfections than driving if you know what I mean!! Stock at higher speeds on better surfaces was excellent and I did think a change would improve that aspect much....WRONG!
Had the Ohlins fitted at Mick Gardner racing in Barnsley good guys who know their stuff.The damper have a range of 20 clicks of adjustment 1 being hardest 20 softest.Set up as Ohlins fast road spec 12 front and 14 back.Immediate big difference on poor surfaces.....its not a magic carpet ride (didn't want that) but it's much more compliant and nice to drive.At speed on better roads....wow.....almost a different car.Totally nailed front end just hunt apexes without understeer at my speeds anyway! But it's the compliance that makes the difference it doesn't bounce on imperfections just sort of smooths them and feels as if the wheels are nailed to the road.
So seems you get comfort and better handling.Obviously started playing with the settings be rude not to!Have gone up to 14 front and 17 back.Noticable improvement in comfort little difference at speed maybe a little more body roll not sure yet?
Will leave alone now as my 18 ins Belevederes are due soon and need a constant setting to see what effect they have?Cant wait to find out?
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I guess its really personal, but of the years I have spent here, I've never heard anyone say a Mk7x GTI had crashy ride, not even with 19's and no DCC.
I've heard people say that various things they do make it even better, but never heard anyone say it was terrible to start with.... unlike Audis.
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Hi and thanks for your welcomes!
Paul 70 asked for a comparison of stock to Ohlins.Iam no suspension expert but can give some subjects thoughts.
On stock I had a problem on some of our rougher roads.Very crashy and fidgety spending more time driving around imperfections than driving if you know what I mean!! Stock at higher speeds on better surfaces was excellent and I did think a change would improve that aspect much....WRONG!
Had the Ohlins fitted at Mick Gardner racing in Barnsley good guys who know their stuff.The damper have a range of 20 clicks of adjustment 1 being hardest 20 softest.Set up as Ohlins fast road spec 12 front and 14 back.Immediate big difference on poor surfaces.....its not a magic carpet ride (didn't want that) but it's much more compliant and nice to drive.At speed on better roads....wow.....almost a different car.Totally nailed front end just hunt apexes without understeer at my speeds anyway! But it's the compliance that makes the difference it doesn't bounce on imperfections just sort of smooths them and feels as if the wheels are nailed to the road.
So seems you get comfort and better handling.Obviously started playing with the settings be rude not to!Have gone up to 14 front and 17 back.Noticable improvement in comfort little difference at speed maybe a little more body roll not sure yet?
Will leave alone now as my 18 ins Belevederes are due soon and need a constant setting to see what effect they have?Cant wait to find out?
Thanks for the feedback Richard and look forward to hearing more once you’ve changed over to the Belvederes.
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I guess its really personal, but of the years I have spent here, I've never heard anyone say a Mk7x GTI had crashy ride, not even with 19's and no DCC.
I've heard people say that various things they do make it even better, but never heard anyone say it was terrible to start with.... unlike Audis.
Yes these things are very personal and subjective!
I did not say "it was terrible" just very crashy and fidgety.I could have easily lived with stock and 19s but felt I could improve on an already great car.
Just my personal feeling others may feel differently!
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Thanks for the feedback Richard and look forward to hearing more once you’ve changed over to the Belvederes.
Me too, I have a set in the garage waiting for winter. Going to put some Michelin CrossClimate+ on them.
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Thanks for the feedback Richard and look forward to hearing more once you’ve changed over to the Belvederes.
Me too, I have a set in the garage waiting for winter. Going to put some Michelin CrossClimate+ on them.
exactly what I've done 👍
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Welcome RichardP :smiley:
I ran a very low mileage ED40 myself for 2.5 years, amassing a whole 6.5k miles or so.
I thought my old one must’ve been one of the lowest mileage ones around but obviously not!
I had no DCC and ran the car on 19” Pretoria wheels finding the ride quality absolutely fine.
Slightly knobbly on certain road surfaces but certainly not bad.
What kind of car(s) are you coming from Richard?
I run a TCR with DCC now and although it smooths out minor imperfections nicely it jars far worse on sudden sharp irregularities up to the point it really irritates me some days. I think the front springs are to blame. Or maybe the bushes... ?
An Ohlins kit is quite an investment so it’s good to hear you’re having a positive experience with that.
I think it’s a good idea to fit a set up like that to a car like the Clubsport as it gives the car a dual use potential (road and track) without any detrimental affect.
Oh, and where are the photos? :whistle:
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Welcome RichardP :smiley:
I ran a very low mileage ED40 myself for 2.5 years, amassing a whole 6.5k miles or so.
I thought my old one must’ve been one of the lowest mileage ones around but obviously not!
I had no DCC and ran the car on 19” Pretoria wheels finding the ride quality absolutely fine.
Slightly knobbly on certain road surfaces but certainly not bad.
What kind of car(s) are you coming from Richard?
I run a TCR with DCC now and although it smooths out minor imperfections nicely it jars far worse on sudden sharp irregularities up to the point it really irritates me some days. I think the front springs are to blame. Or maybe the bushes... ?
An Ohlins kit is quite an investment so it’s good to hear you’re having a positive experience with that.
I think it’s a good idea to fit a set up like that to a car like the Clubsport as it gives the car a dual use potential (road and track) without any detrimental affect.
Oh, and where are the photos? :whistle:
Hi Exonian
The list is 2 mk2 GTI's 2 Original VR6 E36 M3 evo (ghastly) 3 993 911s Lotus Elise and last was an Audi SQ5.
So not short of sportly sprung cars!
Interesting how your TCR is worse than Clubsport on 19s.Apparently the 19 Pretorians are very light so maybe that's the difference so who knows?
The ride on my 19s is not that bad and certainly not "terrible" just highlighted it as a weakness in my opinion and something that the Ohlins has rectified and in some ways massively improved...that's a result for me!
18 ins Belvederes arrive tomorrow.....must control myself and seal them up before fitting them!!!!
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Interesting to hear about the car & mods RichardP, I have a CS on 19's with DCC, it is fine, bothe harder and softer when required than my previous Gti PP on 18"s.
What pressure do you run on your 19"s? I find 38.5-39 all round works well.
Nice previous collection of past cars.
Other than the Q5, I have also owned the same list (plus others) and still have a 93 at the back of the garage, last time I looked? :)
The Mk7 CS holds up well as a package among the cars you mention.
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Welcome Richard & nice one on the ED40 purchase. Can i ask what number it is on the plaque? sort of compelling a list together.
Ohlins as i read are meant to be the best of the best coils, i did look at them myself but i'll be settling on KW V3's which i've read plenty of reviews to be very good for what i need. Running 19's Brescia's on mine still but set of BBS 19's should be going on tomorrow now.
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Interesting to hear about the car & mods RichardP, I have a CS on 19's with DCC, it is fine, bothe harder and softer when required than my previous Gti PP on 18"s.
What pressure do you run on your 19"s? I find 38.5-39 all round works well.
Nice previous collection of past cars.
Other than the Q5, I have also owned the same list (plus others) and still have a 93 at the back of the garage, last time I looked? :)
The Mk7 CS holds up well as a package among the cars you mention.
Hi Clubsport
Been running them at 39....36 made them much better but not sure that's a great idea!
Interesting we have had similar cars.My favourite was my last 993 orange c4 had it for 8 years and still miss it but a child late in my life messed that up hence the Q5.
Yes agree as a package the CS does stand up well,quick enough when required but can also do the day to day well and a really quality car....this one is a keeper for sure!
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Hi all
Just put the Belevedes on.
Interesting weighed them against the Brescias with tyres 8.7kg against 12.7 kg so 4kg a corner....bathroom scales!
Ride is a bit better but not a massive difference.Steering is alot more pointy as is the front end.
Personally I like the delicate look.
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Thats quite a lot of unsprung weight reduction... should make a fair bit of difference no?
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Thats quite a lot of unsprung weight reduction... should make a fair bit of difference no?
From a brief drive the results are very promising.
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Hi all
Just put the Belevedes on.
Interesting weighed them against the Brescias with tyres 8.7kg against 12.7 kg so 4kg a corner....bathroom scales!
Ride is a bit better but not a massive difference.Steering is alot more pointy as is the front end.
Personally I like the delicate look.
Does anyone have any idea how a 19" Pretoria compares?
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Hi all
Just put the Belevedes on.
Interesting weighed them against the Brescias with tyres 8.7kg against 12.7 kg so 4kg a corner....bathroom scales!
Ride is a bit better but not a massive difference.Steering is alot more pointy as is the front end.
Personally I like the delicate look.
Does anyone have any idea how a 19" Pretoria compares?
According to a post halfway down the page in this thread, they’re just over 10kg without tyres.
https://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/5631-what-is-the-weight-without-tire-of-a-19-pretoria-rim/
@RichardP has said a 19” Brescia with tyre weighs 12.7kg. I’d have thought a 19” Brescia alloy would weigh more than 12.7kg with tyre fitted though, as typically I’d have expected a tyre on its own to weigh around 9-12kg, so maybe the figures he’s quoted are for wheels without tyres. unless his bathroom scales were throwing a wobbly at the time! :grin:
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Hi all
Just put the Belevedes on.
Interesting weighed them against the Brescias with tyres 8.7kg against 12.7 kg so 4kg a corner....bathroom scales!
Ride is a bit better but not a massive difference.Steering is alot more pointy as is the front end.
Personally I like the delicate look.
Haha disclaimer I did say bathroom scales!I will check again......my scales said I am 87kg....can't be right as Iam a right fat bstard😂
Does anyone have any idea how a 19" Pretoria compares?
According to a post halfway down the page in this thread, they’re just over 10kg without tyres.
https://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/5631-what-is-the-weight-without-tire-of-a-19-pretoria-rim/
@RichardP has said a 19” Brescia with tyre weighs 12.7kg. I’d have thought a 19” Brescia alloy would weigh more than 12.7kg with tyre fitted though, as typically I’d have expected a tyre on its own to weigh around 9-12kg, so maybe the figures he’s quoted are for wheels without tyres. unless his bathroom scales were throwing a wobbly at the time! :grin:
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Welcome Richard & nice one on the ED40 purchase. Can i ask what number it is on the plaque? sort of compelling a list together.
Ohlins as i read are meant to be the best of the best coils, i did look at them myself but i'll be settling on KW V3's which i've read plenty of reviews to be very good for what i need. Running 19's Brescia's on mine still but set of BBS 19's should be going on tomorrow now.
Hi
Sorry for the late reply.I forgot to busy enjoying the Ohlins and 18 ins Belvederes!
Its number 140.