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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Mark V GTD on 30 August 2017, 22:05
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I may be going crazy - but reading VW UK material the new 7-speed DSG is fitted to the PP version and the standard GTI retains the old 6-speed box - is this correct?
Why not have the same box in both cars?
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Yes that's correct. I guess it sells more PP and uses up old gearboxes.
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I may be going crazy - but reading VW UK material the new 7-speed DSG is fitted to the PP version and the standard GTI retains the old 6-speed box - is this correct?
Why not have the same box in both cars?
To encourage you to spend more?
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Thanks for the replies - yes I guess its going to have that effect...
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I have the "new" DSG 7, and think it´s a realy nice upgrade from the old DSG 6.
Like to have the same DSG as the new S3 not as the low premium cars as the Skoda and Seat.. :wink:
But serious a get a better millage on this with the 7gear :smiley:
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I think it is to do with torque ratings. The PP's extra 15 ft lbs of torque pushes it beyond the limit for the 6 -speed.
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I have the "new" DSG 7, and think it´s a realy nice upgrade from the old DSG 6.
Like to have the same DSG as the new S3 not as the low premium cars as the Skoda and Seat.. :wink:
But serious a get a better millage on this with the 7gear :smiley:
Go on then how much extra mpg, I assume you're going by that comment with a direct comparison in like for like conditions.
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My Mum has a 1.2 Polo with a 7 speed DSG (before everyone scores points about theirs being bigger than yours :laugh:)
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I think it is to do with torque ratings. The PP's extra 15 ft lbs of torque pushes it beyond the limit for the 6 -speed.
More torque than the mk7 R?
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I think it is to do with torque ratings. The PP's extra 15 ft lbs of torque pushes it beyond the limit for the 6 -speed.
More torque than the mk7 R?
Or the GTD come to that!
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I think it is to do with torque ratings. The PP's extra 15 ft lbs of torque pushes it beyond the limit for the 6 -speed.
More torque than the mk7 R?
6 speed dsg rated up to 350 nm whereas 7 speed can handle up to 600 nm. PP is 370 nm, R is 380 nm.
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I think it is to do with torque ratings. The PP's extra 15 ft lbs of torque pushes it beyond the limit for the 6 -speed.
It is the C02!. The Mk7 with DSG has 149 C02!. The new one i have with more power and the 7speed DSg has only 144 C02
That makes a big diferent in Tax!, anyway here in Sweden!. :grin:
And the Mpg is realy good on the highway due to the lower rpm in the 7speed... :wink:
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I think it is to do with torque ratings. The PP's extra 15 ft lbs of torque pushes it beyond the limit for the 6 -speed.
More torque than the mk7 R?
6 speed dsg rated up to 350 nm whereas 7 speed can handle up to 600 nm. PP is 370 nm, R is 380 nm.
Ooo, is that big different?!. That didn´t i know! :grin:
Thanks! :smiley:
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The R and the GTD put out more than 350nm in Mk7 guise though didn't they?
Actually, maybe they didn't... 280nm for the R and GTD In Mk7 guise?
Has that really changed in a couple of years?
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The R and the GTD put out more than 350nm in Mk7 guise though didn't they?
Actually, maybe they didn't... 280nm for the R and GTD In Mk7 guise?
Has that really changed in a couple of years?
7.5 GTD rated at 380 Nm (same as R) and gets 7 speed DSG.
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I think it is to do with torque ratings. The PP's extra 15 ft lbs of torque pushes it beyond the limit for the 6 -speed.
More torque than the mk7 R?
6 speed dsg rated up to 350 nm whereas 7 speed can handle up to 600 nm. PP is 370 nm, R is 380 nm.
So the R engine exceeds the rating of the DSG gearbox? In fact my Clubsport is rated at up to 380 nm so again exceeds the rating of the gearbox? And that's before any tuning boxes are brought in to the equation. Doubt it somehow...
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Does anybody have definitive information as to the final gearing between 6 & 7 speed DSG?
I'm interested if they are:
* The same ratio in top i.e 7 speed has 1 more in the range to give closer ratios, or,
* A higher ratio for the 7 speed i.e. an overdrive ratio
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Does anybody have definitive information as to the final gearing between 6 & 7 speed DSG?
I'm interested if they are:
* The same ratio in top i.e 7 speed has 1 more in the range to give closer ratios, or,
* A higher ratio for the 7 speed i.e. an overdrive ratio
I have 1700rpm when 100kph.. :smiley:. Some help?
And.. :grin:
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Does anybody have definitive information as to the final gearing between 6 & 7 speed DSG?
I'm interested if they are:
* The same ratio in top i.e 7 speed has 1 more in the range to give closer ratios, or,
* A higher ratio for the 7 speed i.e. an overdrive ratio
Where's Daz Auto when you need him.
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Does anybody have definitive information as to the final gearing between 6 & 7 speed DSG?
I'm interested if they are:
* The same ratio in top i.e 7 speed has 1 more in the range to give closer ratios, or,
* A higher ratio for the 7 speed i.e. an overdrive ratio
Where's Daz Auto when you need him.
Ran out of petrol on the motorway.
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If it's the wet dsg 6 then isn't it the dq500? The dry 6dsg is the one that it is only rated upto 350nm. Mk7 gtd puts out anywhere from 350 to 380nm depending on what website you look at.
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Does anybody have definitive information as to the final gearing between 6 & 7 speed DSG?
I'm interested if they are:
* The same ratio in top i.e 7 speed has 1 more in the range to give closer ratios, or,
* A higher ratio for the 7 speed i.e. an overdrive ratio
Where's Daz Auto when you need him.
Ran out of petrol on the motorway.
Feck you Joe, I've just spit beer on my phone and the nice alcantara case I got for it yesterday so thanks.
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Does anybody have definitive information as to the final gearing between 6 & 7 speed DSG?
I'm interested if they are:
* The same ratio in top i.e 7 speed has 1 more in the range to give closer ratios, or,
* A higher ratio for the 7 speed i.e. an overdrive ratio
Where's Daz Auto when you need him.
Probably in therapy : )
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Wikipedia to the rescue -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-shift_gearbox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-shift_gearbox)
DQ200 7speed 250Nm Dry
DQ250 6speed 400Nm Wet
DQ381 7speed 420-430Nm Wet
As for the ratios I only have information from a user on Audi forum about the facelift S3. He did a graph showing that gears 1-6 are slightly shorter and gear 7 is longer and acts like an overdrive.
Someone recently pointed out to me that VW uses different ratios with different engines. They posted a link to prove it.
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Does anybody have definitive information as to the final gearing between 6 & 7 speed DSG?
I'm interested if they are:
* The same ratio in top i.e 7 speed has 1 more in the range to give closer ratios, or,
* A higher ratio for the 7 speed i.e. an overdrive ratio
Where's Daz Auto when you need him.
Ran out of petrol on the motorway.
Feck you Joe, I've just spit beer on my phone and the nice alcantara case I got for it yesterday so thanks.
:grin:
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It was the dq500 box that was in the Tiguan I had. Quite a discussion on the Tiguan owners forum about it as dealers didn't have a clue :grin:
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(http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/styles/default/xenforo/asn/ab/superman.gif)
Wikipedia to the rescue -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-shift_gearbox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-shift_gearbox)
DQ200 7speed 250Nm Dry
DQ250 6speed 400Nm Wet
DQ381 7speed 420-430Nm Wet
As for the ratios I only have information from a user on Audi forum about the facelift S3. He did a graph showing that gears 1-6 are slightly shorter and gear 7 is longer and acts like an overdrive.
Someone recently pointed out to me that VW uses different ratios with different engines. They posted a link to prove it.
Interesting about the Ratio! I think my first gear is "shorter" the DQ251, so it seems right! :smiley:
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I have 1700rpm when 100kph.. :smiley:. Some help?
I checked today - at a level 60mpg the rpm was just over the 1500rpm mark. I would estimate it was 1600rpm.
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I have 1700rpm when 100kph.. :smiley:. Some help?
I checked today - at a level 60mpg the rpm was just over the 1500rpm mark. I would estimate it was 1600rpm.
We should have the same?! :sad: :grin:.. Or i woud have lower Rpm due to my bigger wheels :smiley:
i will check with GPS the speed, and the obdelven the Rpm.. :wink:
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I have 1700rpm when 100kph.. :smiley:. Some help?
I checked today - at a level 60mpg the rpm was just over the 1500rpm mark. I would estimate it was 1600rpm.
We should have the same?! :sad: :grin:.. Or i woud have lower Rpm due to my bigger wheels :smiley:
i will check with GPS the speed, and the obdelven the Rpm.. :wink:
If you have bigger wheels then you should have lower profile tyres which will have the same radius as 18" tyres.
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I have 1700rpm when 100kph.. :smiley:. Some help?
I checked today - at a level 60mpg the rpm was just over the 1500rpm mark. I would estimate it was 1600rpm.
We should have the same?! :sad: :grin:.. Or i woud have lower Rpm due to my bigger wheels :smiley:
i will check with GPS the speed, and the obdelven the Rpm.. :wink:
If you have bigger wheels then you should have lower profile tyres which will have the same radius as 18" tyres.
I have 235/35 so the radius is a littel bit longer. But the best with that is that my speedometer is very a accurate. Only 2km / h error shows it now :wink:
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I checked today - at a level 60mpg the rpm was just over the 1500rpm mark. I would estimate it was 1600rpm.
We should have the same?! :sad: :grin:.. Or i woud have lower Rpm due to my bigger wheels :smiley:
i will check with GPS the speed, and the obdelven the Rpm.. :wink:
I thought they should be the same too. :huh:
I can check my speedometer with my TomTom. I know the last car indicated 65mph when the satnav said 60 mph.
I don't have an OBDeleven. Though the stop/start is really annoying so I may get one.
The rev counter markings are 1500rpm then 1750rpm. My digital needle is a definitely closer to the 1500 mark.