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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: CHB100 on 26 May 2017, 17:54
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Now I guess/hope it will improve but JC is it thirsty, short trips are daft. I have a regular 10 mile round trip to Post office daily. Have barely got over 25mpg and I'm not thrashing it? Tested ECO and drove like a snail or as if in thick fog. Average mph 24!!! yes 24mph! Returned. 24.7 mpg.
Now today , hot what 26C? I turned off A/C opened roof and windows and did trip in Normal, guess what. Ave speed 28mph returned 28.6 mpg.
So conclusion shut A/C folks and open a window. I read that on an old thread plus the inevitable power loss. I know these are never gonna be frugal but once I start tanking it It'll be sub 20! Unless it improves dramatically with miles. Any other suggestions appreciated especially those that had a 7R new (the very learned R.Booth :wink:). And anyone out there with a 7.5 R?
Btw love everything about this machine, at £31.5K an absolute steal. Who needs more?
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What were you expecting? Not VW's claimed figures I hope :laugh:
Your numbers sound about right tbh. Mine is almost 2 years old. I average 26-28mpg long term. I'd get a little over 30 if I was doing longer / motorway runs.
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Performance car = thirst. I'd say don't look at the mpg and enjoy the drive, that's why you bought it presumably? My old Audi had similar economy and none of the performance!
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Have you got leather and sunroof and 19's?
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No leather, standard and good enough now they are black. Recommended saving.
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Keep the windows up use the air con like it was intended for and enjoy the car. If you want fuel economy get a gtd.
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It is a thirsty car, so if you are looking for very regular mpg over the 30 mark, you've bought the wrong car. Much is influenced by type of journey and driving style too. My long term average is around 22mpg, but then factor in I run aircon all year round, I don't like sunroofs or driving with open windows. Most of my journeys are a mix of stop/start (with Stop/Start disabled via obdeleven) city driving, rural driving, dual carriageway and a bit of motorway. I had a decent run out today (dual carriageway mostly) and averaged 28mpg, but once I hit city traffic (especially on a Fri evening) the mpg plummets. City journeys can be anything between 15 - 20mpg. Sometimes as low as 11mpg if traffic is nose to tail. On longer journeys up to Yorkshire I've averaged 32mpg but that's a rarity. I had a good idea of what my average mpg would be prior to buying the car, and didn't buy it for economy so no surprises. It is a performance hatch.
Some get surprisingly good mpg on some journeys, it makes for a talking point over on the R forum, lol. http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/19631-ive-seen-the-myth/#comment-324787
The so called 7.5 hasn't been out long enough to give rise to many average mpg threads, that will come in time.
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Use of aircon makes almost zero impact on mpg in a modern car. Better to use it than not. Lack of use can lead to repair bills later.
As above, it's driving style + journey type that are the major factors. Bumper to bumper stop start city driving, you'll do well to see low 20's. Short commutes, you should get 25-28. Longer journeys, sticking to speed limits, you'll see maybe 34-35 ish, at a stretch. Put the boot down on that long run however and it will plummet under 30 again! Best not to think about it and just drive on and enjoy the car.
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I'm quite surprised, I thought with super granny eco driving you'd at least get mid 30's. This is a sh!tty thing to say but I'm even more happier with my GTI now. I will get an R one day, just not when I have to do 300 miles a week :cool:
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I'm averaging below 40mpg in a GTD I also never turn the aircon off, haven't done so for the last 20 years or so. Hence the reason I would never spec a sunroof. Besides my hair is falling out quick enough without helping it with a strong wind.
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I'm averaging below 40mpg in a GTD I also never turn the aircon off, haven't done so for the last 20 years or so. Hence the reason I would never spec a sunroof. Besides my hair is falling out quick enough without helping it with a strong wind.
If you've hair to fall out it can't be all that bad :laugh:
I'd like the thrill of the extra shove of an R but I'm not prepared to pay the fuel cost so the GTI suits me. Never say never though :whistle:
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Mid-low 20's! I didn't know R's were that thirsty. I get better economy from my 911. I'm happy with my GTi PP giving me somewhere between 30-35 mpg (short 15 mile e/way commute plus lots of traffic). Get around 40mpg on long runs. 911 gets up to 30mpg but usual is 26-28mpg.
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And the moral of the thread is......don't buy an R if you care about mpg......get a GTI. :grin:
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And the moral of the thread is......don't buy an R if you care about mpg......get a GTI. :grin:
But if you want a car that's one of the fastest on the road then get the R all day. If I could have afforded an R I would have done regardless of mpg. I would have just had to come to terms with the mpg :wink:
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Thanks for not one useful reply, the point of post was informative and inquisitive. Most seemed to have missed the point, firstly sunroof's which always transform the driving experience at anytime of year opened or not, a glass roof, light and airy. I grew up in an era of no heaters in winter and open windows in summer cars. My Lotus 7 had neither. And once and for all I did not buy this car for economy! But sorry 22mpg is almost boasting in everyday driving. And yes I am aware of the aerodynamic s with windows opened.
My guess is it will improve with miles and the A/C is working it's nuts off right now. Where is it powered from, solar sunroof ? Now there's an idea.
Finally, I think VW have shot them selves in the foot with the standard kit on these, the sat Nav is improved on the pro and the driver info screen is worth ? Name it, once bitten, that's without all the other stuff .
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We missed the point? Really?
I've re read your opening post. You're moaning about the mpg in your new R and you've asked for input from longer term owners (Booth, myself, among others) if it's likely to improve. Or if opening the windows will help. We've taken the time to tell you, no, it won't.
What point did we miss? :rolleyes:
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What kind of responses were you expecting exactly? Let me spell it out for you. In nearing 2 years my mpg has not improved at all, in fact it's gone down by 2mpg if I compare to the early days.
The point about running the R sans aircon and windows and sunroof open was clearly made, but, people have their own preferences which might be more important to them than some extra mpg. I can't speak for others but have never had the slightest desire to buy or spec a car with a sunroof, either to eke out a few additional mpg, or for fresh air into the cabin or a vista from above. Does nothing for me, in fact I find that distracting, preferring an enclosed darker cabin. Similarly I would rather run aircon all the time, keeps the car cool to my desired temp, keeps the system in good order and ime (not everyone's) is the answer to avoiding misting up of windows in certain conditions. I'm afraid, regardless of what car era you come from, if you need to wind your windows down, open the sunroof and eschew aircon to get a negligible increase in mpg, then maybe you have bought the wrong car.
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And the moral of the thread is......don't buy an R if you care about mpg......get a GTI. :grin:
But if you want a car that's one of the fastest on the road then get the R all day. If I could have afforded an R I would have done regardless of mpg. I would have just had to come to terms with the mpg :wink:
It's easily done. For some. :wink:
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And the moral of the thread is......don't buy an R if you care about mpg......get a GTI. :grin:
But if you want a car that's one of the fastest on the road then get the R all day. If I could have afforded an R I would have done regardless of mpg. I would have just had to come to terms with the mpg :wink:
It's easily done. For some. :wink:
Im sure the first 5 mins of hard acceleration would have sorted that out for me :evil:
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And the moral of the thread is......don't buy an R if you care about mpg......get a GTI. :grin:
But if you want a car that's one of the fastest on the road then get the R all day. If I could have afforded an R I would have done regardless of mpg. I would have just had to come to terms with the mpg :wink:
It's easily done. For some. :wink:
Im sure the first 5 mins of hard acceleration would have sorted that out for me :evil:
A whole 5 mins? :laugh:
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And the moral of the thread is......don't buy an R if you care about mpg......get a GTI. :grin:
The real moral is learn when to & when not to :smiley:
If you want to try and go full throttle everywhere, you pay, regardless. If you learn when to and when not to, you pay less!
I used to have the renowned Ollie Reid that is the Focus ST. It occasionally saw nearly 30 (ish) on a good day & almost worried 40 on a very boring run. The GTI PP I now have does 35 and a bit DTD. Shame about the sound though :cry:
Still, the point is, learn how to drive, at least a bit & ye shall be rewarded!
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Considering my mk4 GTI (remapped) did around 30 mpg, my (remapped) mk5 GTI did 28-30 mpg, both my mk6 GTI's did low 30's (remapped), my GTI PP did low to mid 30's it came as no surprise that my R did mid to high 20's.
These are rule of thumb averages from full ownership terms not scientifically computed or anything.
My scientific conclusion tells me that considering all those cars did a similar commute, with a similar diving style progress in making hot hatches more economical has generally been quite good.
I'd put the R's consumption down to the car having a fair sized turbo and an engine mapped for top end performance. Although I rarely used high revs the fact the big turbo needed lots of fuel to produce the BHP figures I'd taken as a foregone conclusion. More power = more fuel burned.
Then there's the weight.
Then there's the other drag inducing axle and propshaft.
If you want a 300PS hatch with 4wd then you accept it's going to cost you a few quid at the super unleaded pump. If you want an automatic version of said car then likely more so.
And then came the Ed40 ClubSport.
I drove 2.5 miles yesterday morning, including several sets of traffic lights and had 30mpg showing on the trip computer when I got to my destination. Cold engine, reasonable ambient air temps, dry roads etc.
I was quite impressed by that so did it again this morning. More or less the same result.
The GTD *could* do that journey at 40mpg (trip computer figures again, which has been fairly accurate in my use) and my PP GTI could just about scrape 32 or 33 yet the R never did that trip in more than 25mpg, 26 at a real push.
Hardly anything academic but I'm using it as a journey that's going to get the worst consumption figures, it mostly uphill with a cold engine start. Lowish revs, lightish throttle inputs but not dawdling.
What does my 2.5 mile acid test prove?
It's the 4wd that saps the fuel consumption (quite possibly).
So that's it then. I've decided that's a fact and as this is the Internet it must be true :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
In other news, I wish I was as wealthy as the OP so that I could consider £31.5k a bargain for a family hatchback.
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Blimey, I'm quite shocked at the sort of miles per gallon people are getting. Going from a diesel Passat which would average a genuine 50mpg to an Amarok, I had readied myself for bigger fuel bills. Having read this thread, I'm genuinely chuffed with my 35mpg average. That's what the computer says and backed up with brim to brim maths.
I know the Amarok isn't for many (if any on here) but I reckon I'm having more fun.
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And the moral of the thread is......don't buy an R if you care about mpg......get a GTI. :grin:
The real moral is learn when to & when not to :smiley:
If you want to try and go full throttle everywhere, you pay, regardless. If you learn when to and when not to, you pay less!
I used to have the renowned Ollie Reid that is the Focus ST. It occasionally saw nearly 30 (ish) on a good day & almost worried 40 on a very boring run. The GTI PP I now have does 35 and a bit DTD. Shame about the sound though :cry:
Still, the point is, learn how to drive, at least a bit & ye shall be rewarded!
When people read about average low mpg, the assumption is often made that the driver is going everywhere at full throttle. Another, perhaps more accurate interpretation, is that a low average mpg can be the result of lots of mpg slaying congested town/city driving - it's impossible to full throttle it everywhere when it takes you 50 mins to go 2 miles, lol (Dynaudio helps to while away the time), so at those times it's very light throttle, engine braking and keeping steady distance. Out on the open road, that's where you get your kicks. But whether sat in a line of slow moving traffic, making steady progress on motorway or haring round twistes, the R is a great car to do it all in.
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Blimey, I'm quite shocked at the sort of miles per gallon people are getting. Going from a diesel Passat which would average a genuine 50mpg to an Amarok, I had readied myself for bigger fuel bills. Having read this thread, I'm genuinely chuffed with my 35mpg average. That's what the computer says and backed up with brim to brim maths.
I know the Amarok isn't for many (if any on here) but I reckon I'm having more fun.
Simon, I'll have check out Dave's average Amarok mpg - no idea what he's getting. But like you he does have fun in it.
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Thanks for not one useful reply, the point of post was informative and inquisitive. Most seemed to have missed the point, firstly sunroof's which always transform the driving experience at anytime of year opened or not, a glass roof, light and airy. I grew up in an era of no heaters in winter and open windows in summer cars. My Lotus 7 had neither. And once and for all I did not buy this car for economy! But sorry 22mpg is almost boasting in everyday driving. And yes I am aware of the aerodynamic s with windows opened.
My guess is it will improve with miles and the A/C is working it's nuts off right now. Where is it powered from, solar sunroof ? Now there's an idea.
Finally, I think VW have shot them selves in the foot with the standard kit on these, the sat Nav is improved on the pro and the driver info screen is worth ? Name it, once bitten, that's without all the other stuff .
You're not exactly helping yourself with some of your replies on here. Don't take offence but you sound like one grumpy old man, your name isn't Victor Meldrew is it?
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I wish to apologise for the following, less than helpful, reply.
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Only as a reference point, my GTi pp dsg does a lot of town driving and short journeys, with my average long term speed showing as around 24/25 mph, with the sunroof open almost every dry day and my long term mpg is 32/33 mpg.
I am firmly in the 'must' have sunroof camp, but don't have the windows down much. Aircon only really gets used on very hot days or on the motorway with the roof shut. I'm very happy with the mpg v performance and it's about 10% better than my old manual mk5 gti
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I'm now running a facelift S3, still like to come back to my roots now and again :smiley:.
Same engine as the MK7.5 R but I have averaged 32MPG over the last 9000 miles and have seen 40MPG on a long run if stuck at 50-60MPH. I don't exactly take it easy either :evil:, aircon has been on since I picked it up.
This is DSG and I know some people on here say they can get 10% better on a manual car.
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That's pretty crazy Mike.
Does the S3 have less weight or different wheels or just a better drag coefficient?
Is it a sportback?
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I am firmly in the 'must' have sunroof camp, but don't have the windows down much.
Other than my Mk2, I'd not had a sunroof for nearly 20 years. I love the one in my new Golf. It's open most of the time when it's dry.
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I am firmly in the 'must' have sunroof camp, but don't have the windows down much.
Other than my Mk2, I'd not had a sunroof for nearly 20 years. I love the one in my new Golf. It's open most of the time when it's dry.
Yep, love 'em. Last time I think was CRX Vtech 1990. Had them in mk1,2 & 4 GTI's BMW 2002TII and LHD Turbo and a '73 911e.etc. This the nicest so far as it's glass just pull back the blind, draw those curtains wide -Elbow :cool:
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That's pretty crazy Mike.
Does the S3 have less weight or different wheels or just a better drag coefficient?
Is it a sportback?
Mine is the 3 door hatch, looking at the online specs the unladen weight is
Golf R (DSG) - 1505kg
S3 (stronic) - 1370kg
I know the S3 has an aluminium bonnet and front wings for a bit of weight saving.
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I'm now running a facelift S3, still like to come back to my roots now and again :smiley:.
Same engine as the MK7.5 R but I have averaged 32MPG over the last 9000 miles and have seen 40MPG on a long run if stuck at 50-60MPH. I don't exactly take it easy either :evil:, aircon has been on since I picked it up.
This is DSG and I know some people on here say they can get 10% better on a manual car.
Now that is very impressive unless the object is the higher consumption the better :roll eyes:
The cost/consumption doesn't necessarily concern me I can afford it as retired and only do 6+k miles a year. My point of comparison is I live in the glorious Cotswolds with lovely roads if not surfaces! and very little traffic.
The point of my original post was achieving such lowish mpg in congestion free, no stop/start suburban journeys.
The windows open was because it was bloody hot and and experiment without A/C, not a doctrine. It proves to me that the current Aircon systems are sucking an awful lot of BHP from the engine. And possibly 15/20% drop in consumption. Certainly at high temperatures.
Hey ho I can afford it, but hate unnecessary waste. My cash was hard come by and I respect every penny. So old habits die hard, I will for sure find a compromise with this great car and what it can achieve. I am off to Cornwall soon so will get a balanced view with a long run.
To those who do highish mileage , townies or folks in the suburbs that I used to haunt, I suggest a sweet GTI as the around best
option.
Unless you have money to burn then buy a 570s
You know "It doesn't say that in the Brochure" :grin:
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That's pretty crazy Mike.
Does the S3 have less weight or different wheels or just a better drag coefficient?
Is it a sportback?
Mine is the 3 door hatch, looking at the online specs the unladen weight is
Golf R (DSG) - 1505kg
S3 (stronic) - 1370kg
I know the S3 has an aluminium bonnet and front wings for a bit of weight saving.
It's the weight for sure, 5 door over 3 door not sure the difference. I always see weight in bags of cement and that's nearly 7 bags for a similar car.
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I got 33 mpg on a run to Edinburgh the other week 365 miles in total one stop, one tank of fuel, still had 60 miles left on the range.
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Well, first tank of fuel through the R until the light came on and that took me 350 miles! Averaging 34 mpg! Air con on all the time. Mix of short runs and longer runs. Not taken it near the red line but not exactly driving slow either! I must have an economical R or else I'm not driving hard enough :evil: :whistle:
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Well, first tank of fuel through the R until the light came on and that took me 350 miles! Averaging 34 mpg! Air con on all the time. Mix of short runs and longer runs. Not taken it near the red line but not exactly driving slow either! I must have an economical R or else I'm not driving hard enough :evil: :whistle:
Sounds like you got an R line mate. Or maybe a granny driver :wink: But no way these can average 34mpg, are you in ECO and Blue think crap? Only joking. Anyway aren't these the dogs more than a wolf that is. Nice to hear from another 7.5 R'r even one with GTI economy. Be a bonus for me.Enjoy.
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I am actually surprised at the difference in mpg over the GTi PP. I suspected it would be something like 10% but it seems to be about 25% lower. If the engines were identical, lugging an extra 100Kg around plus the added drivetrain loss in the 4wd system would give you that 10%, but I guess the bigger turbo in the R plus other fuelling differences add in. The sunroof adds a fair bit of extra weight also. 5 doors is another 30 Kg again. If it's a DSG that's even more weight (20Kg). To the extent that a 5dr R with DSG and sunroof weighs some 160Kg more than a GTi pp. However there should still be an improvement in your R after some 10K+ miles as the whole thing beds in and loosens up. I agree with Rebecca leaving the climate on all the time is best, and keeps the system in good order. At high speeds opening sunroof and windows is like opening a parachute.
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No way open the roof or windows at high speeds, purely for cruising shades and elbow out.
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the difference between these two must be quite a lot with an extra 120kg too :)
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Just to show you what is possible... on a very leisurely Sunday drive today:
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Just to show you what is possible... on a very leisurely Sunday drive today:
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Or not! One I took earlier. :sad:
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and another .....
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How many miles has your car done??
I suspect it's not even run in. VAG engines tend to start hitting their stride after a few thousand miles
I think you should be out driving it more rather than worrying about fuel consumption :tongue: :kiss: :grin:
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How many miles has your car done??
I suspect it's not even run in. VAG engines tend to start hitting their stride after a few thousand miles
I think you should be out driving it more rather than worrying about fuel consumption :tongue: :kiss: :grin:
You've got nearly 27,000 posts, when do you get a chance to drive :laugh:
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I wouldn't mind having a go in an .:R to see what I could get out of it. I got 36mpg out of a Mk4 .:R23 on a 38 mile steady A road trip. I reckon 40mpg ought to be easy peasy.
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How many miles has your car done??
I suspect it's not even run in. VAG engines tend to start hitting their stride after a few thousand miles
I think you should be out driving it more rather than worrying about fuel consumption :tongue: :kiss: :grin:
You've got nearly 27,000 posts, when do you get a chance to drive :laugh:
Clearly more often than the OP :laugh: :laugh:
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How many miles has your car done??
I suspect it's not even run in. VAG engines tend to start hitting their stride after a few thousand miles
I think you should be out driving it more rather than worrying about fuel consumption :tongue: :kiss: :grin:
You've got nearly 27,000 posts, when do you get a chance to drive :laugh:
Clearly more often than the OP :laugh: :laugh:
Run in! Run in? You must be an old fart too :wink: Everyone says these are good out of the box. But know what you mean, Ive had several new GTIs and yes they do bed in. Sharp edges in the sump etc. I've no doubt I'll be boasting of 30+ sometime. But only keeping thread going to get to 27K posts ++++ :laugh: :grin: :laugh: :grin:
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And the moral of the thread is......don't buy an R if you care about mpg......get a GTI. :grin:
The real moral is learn when to & when not to :smiley:
If you want to try and go full throttle everywhere, you pay, regardless. If you learn when to and when not to, you pay less!
I used to have the renowned Ollie Reid that is the Focus ST. It occasionally saw nearly 30 (ish) on a good day & almost worried 40 on a very boring run. The GTI PP I now have does 35 and a bit DTD. Shame about the sound though :cry:
Still, the point is, learn how to drive, at least a bit & ye shall be rewarded!
When people read about average low mpg, the assumption is often made that the driver is going everywhere at full throttle. Another, perhaps more accurate interpretation, is that a low average mpg can be the result of lots of mpg slaying congested town/city driving - it's impossible to full throttle it everywhere when it takes you 50 mins to go 2 miles, lol (Dynaudio helps to while away the time), so at those times it's very light throttle, engine braking and keeping steady distance. Out on the open road, that's where you get your kicks. But whether sat in a line of slow moving traffic, making steady progress on motorway or haring round twistes, the R is a great car to do it all in.
While not quite 50 mins to do a couple of miles, I also spend a lot of time staring at the scenery & not enough time seeing it go past a little more quickly :sad: :smiley:.
However, when and when not to, and how, still makes a fair difference - mpg, lifespan of consumables like tyres, brakes and the like. Do it right and it can be a lot of a difference :smiley:. Never had to replace a clutch, brakes last an age and so on, but never slow :wink:.
Having said all that, I wish I had Dynaudio & I'm sure the R is great place to spend time, just not for me - too much threat of someone else wanting it and would want the sound of more than a 4.
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And the moral of the thread is......don't buy an R if you care about mpg......get a GTI. :grin:
The real moral is learn when to & when not to :smiley:
If you want to try and go full throttle everywhere, you pay, regardless. If you learn when to and when not to, you pay less!
I used to have the renowned Ollie Reid that is the Focus ST. It occasionally saw nearly 30 (ish) on a good day & almost worried 40 on a very boring run. The GTI PP I now have does 35 and a bit DTD. Shame about the sound though :cry:
Still, the point is, learn how to drive, at least a bit & ye shall be rewarded!
When people read about average low mpg, the assumption is often made that the driver is going everywhere at full throttle. Another, perhaps more accurate interpretation, is that a low average mpg can be the result of lots of mpg slaying congested town/city driving - it's impossible to full throttle it everywhere when it takes you 50 mins to go 2 miles, lol (Dynaudio helps to while away the time), so at those times it's very light throttle, engine braking and keeping steady distance. Out on the open road, that's where you get your kicks. But whether sat in a line of slow moving traffic, making steady progress on motorway or haring round twistes, the R is a great car to do it all in.
While not quite 50 mins to do a couple of miles, I also spend a lot of time staring at the scenery & not enough time seeing it go past a little more quickly :sad: :smiley:.
However, when and when not to, and how, still makes a fair difference - mpg, lifespan of consumables like tyres, brakes and the like. Do it right and it can be a lot of a difference :smiley:. Never had to replace a clutch, brakes last an age and so on, but never slow :wink:.
Having said all that, I wish I had Dynaudio & I'm sure the R is great place to spend time, just not for me - too much threat of someone else wanting it and would want the sound of more than a 4.
No point in asking what mpg you get in your R then, lol. What car are you driving?
I try to drive according to the road, the traffic and other deciding factors (weather conditions etc), unfortunately not much scenery to be seen sitting in a queue of city traffic, plenty of questionable modern architecture though. The only consumables I've got through in the 3-4 year lifespans of performance Golfs I've owned, have been tyres. Conti 5P's are not the most hard wearing tyre, they yield about 13k on fronts (same as I got out of 2 sets on mk6 GTI), mine on the R are just coming up for replacement and am looking at Michelin PS4S as replacement for all 4, will be interesting to see how they compare.
The threat of theft doesn't alter my choice of car, it is a valid concern for many, especially depending on where you live. Money is hard earned and I will not not let the criminal actions of a few scroats determine what car I should spend it on. Sensible pecautions are taken, GAP insurance, house security etc, but if it gets nicked, it gets nicked. And if it doesn't then I'll carry out enjoying it even when not moving :-D
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I doubt the 7.5 FL has any impact on the already known consumption of these engines (unless just slight due to the new 7speed maybe). From my Clubsport experience (which has the same engine and turbo as the R but 100kg less) I'd say it's normal to hit 24-26 (my current 6,000 mile average is 25,8) with a mixed type of driving but anything above 30 requires the car to be driven in a clearly unpleasant fashion. Screen-shots don't speak the truth, I've seen 38-40 in mine but I was just on an economy exercise - nowhere near how I normally drive the car. I personally take any 30+ claims with several buckets of salt but hey, it's the internet. The S3 claims are even more amusing but again it's not the craziest thing I've heard about S3's * no intention of being sarcastic - just my personal experiences *
Going back a couple of pages, OP you say that you didn't buy this car for economy but then 22 is almost boasting in everyday driving. Apart from self-contradicting what is the reference by which 22 is boasting? Usually you need to have one before you draw such conclusions and if you check other similar machinery you will realize the Golf doesn't really drink any worse than them.
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I doubt the 7.5 FL has any impact on the already known consumption of these engines (unless just slight due to the new 7speed maybe). From my Clubsport experience (which has the same engine and turbo as the R but 100kg less) I'd say it's normal to hit 24-26 (my current 6,000 mile average is 25,8) with a mixed type of driving but anything above 30 requires the car to be driven in a clearly unpleasant fashion. Screen-shots don't speak the truth, I've seen 38-40 in mine but I was just on an economy exercise - nowhere near how I normally drive the car. I personally take any 30+ claims with several buckets of salt but hey, it's the internet. The S3 claims are even more amusing but again it's not the craziest thing I've heard about S3's * no intention of being sarcastic - just my personal experiences *
Going back a couple of pages, OP you say that you didn't buy this car for economy but then 22 is almost boasting in everyday driving. Apart from self-contradicting what is the reference by which 22 is boasting? Usually you need to have one before you draw such conclusions and if you check other similar machinery you will realize the Golf doesn't really drink any worse than them.
I can see out context 22mpg is nothing to boast about but the way it was quoted by another almost inferred it something to be grateful for. I certainly don't think it is, that is in everyday driving unless maybe you travel 2miles in 50 mins that is or central London etc. No for me my rural area I will expect to get around 28 average with a mixture of driving in normal and sport.
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I doubt the 7.5 FL has any impact on the already known consumption of these engines (unless just slight due to the new 7speed maybe). From my Clubsport experience (which has the same engine and turbo as the R but 100kg less) I'd say it's normal to hit 24-26 (my current 6,000 mile average is 25,8) with a mixed type of driving but anything above 30 requires the car to be driven in a clearly unpleasant fashion. Screen-shots don't speak the truth, I've seen 38-40 in mine but I was just on an economy exercise - nowhere near how I normally drive the car. I personally take any 30+ claims with several buckets of salt but hey, it's the internet. The S3 claims are even more amusing but again it's not the craziest thing I've heard about S3's * no intention of being sarcastic - just my personal experiences *
Going back a couple of pages, OP you say that you didn't buy this car for economy but then 22 is almost boasting in everyday driving. Apart from self-contradicting what is the reference by which 22 is boasting? Usually you need to have one before you draw such conclusions and if you check other similar machinery you will realize the Golf doesn't really drink any worse than them.
I can see out context 22mpg is nothing to boast about but the way it was quoted by another almost inferred it something to be grateful for. I certainly don't think it is, that is in everyday driving unless maybe you travel 2miles in 50 mins that is or central London etc. No for me my rural area I will expect to get around 28 average with a mixture of driving in normal and sport.
If you are referring to the reference I (by whatever bizarre name you might wish to call me today) made to 22mpg (which is my average mpg), the inference was not 'boasting' (clearly how you took it though) but actually the quite the opposite, indicating that driving the R daily in heavy congested conditions can impact on long term mpg considerably as is the case with my situation. If you were to analyse my long term average speed alongside my average mpg, you will see the true picture is actually the antithesis of boasting, lol.
In your opening post you made no reference at all to the types of journey, roads or conditions you were undertaking or driving on/in other than mention of a particular short journey's distance. You were bemoaning the fact you were getting lower than expected mpg on that journey. If you read Joe's and my original responses you will see that we both advised (as members who have been driving R's for a good while) that much came down to type of journey as well as driving style and that mpg does not improve considerably over time in our experience, and that the journey's mpg you were reporting is consistent with short trips in the R. We were simply trying to prepare you for the reality if you are making regular short trips and are expecting a notable increase over time. Of course, in time you will draw your own conclusions. It is actually quite difficult to draw definitive conclusions form comparisons with others, because there are many variables. Perhaps in your situation in your location with less congested roads you may well fare better, I hope you do since mpg does seem to be a concern for you.
I'm shortly to see a seasonal increase in my mpg, as the summer school holidays approach. In my neck of the woods, in the summer when the schools traffic is taken out of the equation, my mpg increases by about 4-5 mpg for 6-8weeks. Once the schools and traffic return, it takes a couple of weeks and mpg is then returned right back to the boastful 22mpg. :grin:
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I personally take any 30+ claims with several buckets of salt but hey, it's the internet. The S3 claims are even more amusing but again it's not the craziest thing I've heard about S3's * no intention of being sarcastic - just my personal experiences *
Get those buckets of salt ready, here is the long term average on my S3.
I would have thought the 7.5R shouldn't be any worse.
(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/misc/s3mpg.jpg)
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I personally take any 30+ claims with several buckets of salt but hey, it's the internet. The S3 claims are even more amusing but again it's not the craziest thing I've heard about S3's * no intention of being sarcastic - just my personal experiences *
Get those buckets of salt ready, here is the long term average on my S3.
I would have thought the 7.5R shouldn't be any worse.
(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/misc/s3mpg.jpg)
Why does it have a image of an old Mk2 Granada on the right :whistle:
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I personally take any 30+ claims with several buckets of salt but hey, it's the internet. The S3 claims are even more amusing but again it's not the craziest thing I've heard about S3's * no intention of being sarcastic - just my personal experiences *
Get those buckets of salt ready, here is the long term average on my S3.
I would have thought the 7.5R shouldn't be any worse.
(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/misc/s3mpg.jpg)
The spirit was not that someone is lying necessarily but that for those numbers to be true (no reason to believe they aren't) it should be down to a way of driving and conditions way different than mine or most others for that matter, to be considered representative for the average R/S3/Clubsport owner so I still don't stress over anyone's unusually high mpg of any variant of the CJX engine. These engines have been out for quite a while now to expect any improvements all of a sudden. So yes, 31.9mpg over 9322.2 miles is totally possible but as someone (in a different language) once said: it's a bit like sausages: Result tastes good but you don't want to know how they were made...
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I doubt the 7.5 FL has any impact on the already known consumption of these engines (unless just slight due to the new 7speed maybe). From my Clubsport experience (which has the same engine and turbo as the R but 100kg less) I'd say it's normal to hit 24-26 (my current 6,000 mile average is 25,8) with a mixed type of driving but anything above 30 requires the car to be driven in a clearly unpleasant fashion. Screen-shots don't speak the truth, I've seen 38-40 in mine but I was just on an economy exercise - nowhere near how I normally drive the car. I personally take any 30+ claims with several buckets of salt but hey, it's the internet. The S3 claims are even more amusing but again it's not the craziest thing I've heard about S3's * no intention of being sarcastic - just my personal experiences *
Going back a couple of pages, OP you say that you didn't buy this car for economy but then 22 is almost boasting in everyday driving. Apart from self-contradicting what is the reference by which 22 is boasting? Usually you need to have one before you draw such conclusions and if you check other similar machinery you will realize the Golf doesn't really drink any worse than them.
I can see out context 22mpg is nothing to boast about but the way it was quoted by another almost inferred it something to be grateful for. I certainly don't think it is, that is in everyday driving unless maybe you travel 2miles in 50 mins that is or central London etc. No for me my rural area I will expect to get around 28 average with a mixture of driving in normal and sport.
If you are referring to the reference I (by whatever bizarre name you might wish to call me today) made to 22mpg (which is my average mpg), the inference was not 'boasting' (clearly how you took it though) but actually the quite the opposite, indicating that driving the R daily in heavy congested conditions can impact on long term mpg considerably as is the case with my situation. If you were to analyse my long term average speed alongside my average mpg, you will see the true picture is actually the antithesis of boasting, lol.
In your opening post you made no reference at all to the types of journey, roads or conditions you were undertaking or driving on/in other than mention of a particular short journey's distance. You were bemoaning the fact you were getting lower than expected mpg on that journey. If you read Joe's and my original responses you will see that we both advised (as members who have been driving R's for a good while) that much came down to type of journey as well as driving style and that mpg does not improve considerably over time in our experience, and that the journey's mpg you were reporting is consistent with short trips in the R. We were simply trying to prepare you for the reality if you are making regular short trips and are expecting a notable increase over time. Of course, in time you will draw your own conclusions. It is actually quite difficult to draw definitive conclusions form comparisons with others, because there are many variables. Perhaps in your situation in your location with less congested roads you may well fare better, I hope you do since mpg does seem to be a concern for you.
I'm shortly to see a seasonal increase in my mpg, as the summer school holidays approach. In my neck of the woods, in the summer when the schools traffic is taken out of the equation, my mpg increases by about 4-5 mpg for 6-8weeks. Once the schools and traffic return, it takes a couple of weeks and mpg is then returned right back to the boastful 22mpg. :grin:
Am I right in thinking you drive mainly short journeys and mostly in traffic. Have you done a long say 200 journey in you lovely R or do you use the SUV for such journeys, only joking . You are still leading the lowest MPG chart btw. Was that your R that bettered the S3 in my you tube post. Very very satisfying,never owned an Audi and never will.Why?
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I doubt the 7.5 FL has any impact on the already known consumption of these engines (unless just slight due to the new 7speed maybe). From my Clubsport experience (which has the same engine and turbo as the R but 100kg less) I'd say it's normal to hit 24-26 (my current 6,000 mile average is 25,8) with a mixed type of driving but anything above 30 requires the car to be driven in a clearly unpleasant fashion. Screen-shots don't speak the truth, I've seen 38-40 in mine but I was just on an economy exercise - nowhere near how I normally drive the car. I personally take any 30+ claims with several buckets of salt but hey, it's the internet. The S3 claims are even more amusing but again it's not the craziest thing I've heard about S3's * no intention of being sarcastic - just my personal experiences *
Going back a couple of pages, OP you say that you didn't buy this car for economy but then 22 is almost boasting in everyday driving. Apart from self-contradicting what is the reference by which 22 is boasting? Usually you need to have one before you draw such conclusions and if you check other similar machinery you will realize the Golf doesn't really drink any worse than them.
I can see out context 22mpg is nothing to boast about but the way it was quoted by another almost inferred it something to be grateful for. I certainly don't think it is, that is in everyday driving unless maybe you travel 2miles in 50 mins that is or central London etc. No for me my rural area I will expect to get around 28 average with a mixture of driving in normal and sport.
If you are referring to the reference I (by whatever bizarre name you might wish to call me today) made to 22mpg (which is my average mpg), the inference was not 'boasting' (clearly how you took it though) but actually the quite the opposite, indicating that driving the R daily in heavy congested conditions can impact on long term mpg considerably as is the case with my situation. If you were to analyse my long term average speed alongside my average mpg, you will see the true picture is actually the antithesis of boasting, lol.
In your opening post you made no reference at all to the types of journey, roads or conditions you were undertaking or driving on/in other than mention of a particular short journey's distance. You were bemoaning the fact you were getting lower than expected mpg on that journey. If you read Joe's and my original responses you will see that we both advised (as members who have been driving R's for a good while) that much came down to type of journey as well as driving style and that mpg does not improve considerably over time in our experience, and that the journey's mpg you were reporting is consistent with short trips in the R. We were simply trying to prepare you for the reality if you are making regular short trips and are expecting a notable increase over time. Of course, in time you will draw your own conclusions. It is actually quite difficult to draw definitive conclusions form comparisons with others, because there are many variables. Perhaps in your situation in your location with less congested roads you may well fare better, I hope you do since mpg does seem to be a concern for you.
I'm shortly to see a seasonal increase in my mpg, as the summer school holidays approach. In my neck of the woods, in the summer when the schools traffic is taken out of the equation, my mpg increases by about 4-5 mpg for 6-8weeks. Once the schools and traffic return, it takes a couple of weeks and mpg is then returned right back to the boastful 22mpg. :grin:
Am I right in thinking you drive mainly short journeys and mostly in traffic. Have you done a long say 200 journey in you lovely R or do you use the SUV for such journeys, only joking . You are still leading the lowest MPG chart btw. Was that your R that bettered the S3 in my you tube post. Very very satisfying,never owned an Audi and never will.Why?
I do many daily short city journeys, several regular longer rural journeys and motorway journeys and a few 500 mile round trips a year - all in the R. I don't see mpg as some kind of competition or leaderboard, I get the mpg I get, and I have no problem visiting the pumps when needed. I'm not the one bemoaning the mpg of the R ;-)
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I was torn between the GTI and R, opted for GTI because MPG has to be a consideration for me (c15k miles a year). Glad I opted for the GTI after reading that real world experience tends to pitch the R at 25% lower MPG!
Back to the question asked, I've just ticked over 10k miles and within the last 2-3k have seen a notable change in MPG that isn't quite fully explained by seasonality alone. First 6-7k miles my long term average was c35mpg, I'm now closer to 40mpg and my daily commute usually returns 40mpg give or take 1 either way. For reference, my 1.9 TDI tuned Ibiza would get approx 48mpg on the same journey. The only other thing to have changed in that time is Shell's VPower formulation, which has powered 99.9% of my mileage. I suspect it's a combination of "bedding in" and a slight improvement in MPG due to fuel - I'm not the only one to have experienced such from a quick straw poll of those I know that run VPower.
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The spirit was not that someone is lying necessarily but that for those numbers to be true (no reason to believe they aren't) it should be down to a way of driving and conditions way different than mine or most others for that matter, to be considered representative for the average R/S3/Clubsport owner so I still don't stress over anyone's unusually high mpg of any variant of the CJX engine. These engines have been out for quite a while now to expect any improvements all of a sudden. So yes, 31.9mpg over 9322.2 miles is totally possible but as someone (in a different language) once said: it's a bit like sausages: Result tastes good but you don't want to know how they were made...
It's fairly simple really, I use my car as my daily driver and my main commute of 40 miles is spent at 40-60mph in constant traffic, so perfect conditions for good MPG but no choice unless I act like an idiot and try to pass everyone.
This usually gives high 30s to 40 as seems to be the norm for this average speed judging by the comments from the VWROC forum linked earlier. Was never that keen in rushing to work anyway :smiley:
At the weekend when enjoying the car it's usually low to mid 20s so this averages out at what you see.
That's what I love about these cars, best of both worlds.
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It's fairly simple really, I use my car as my daily driver and my main commute of 40 miles is spent at 40-60mph in constant traffic, so perfect conditions for good MPG but no choice unless I act like an idiot and try to pass everyone.
This usually gives high 30s to 40 as seems to be the norm for this average speed judging by the comments from the VWROC forum linked earlier. Was never that keen in rushing to work anyway :smiley:
At the weekend when enjoying the car it's usually low to mid 20s so this averages out at what you see.
That's what I love about these cars, best of both worlds.
Thanks for the clarification and that's exactly what I meant. The reason for this - unusually high - 31.9 mpg is then down to the fact that you are in a position of doing 1000miles/month in constant flow, between 40 to 60mph. No wonder you're getting these numbers as that's the ideal scenario for high mpg, in any car. For everybody else using the car in shorter or more spirited trips on average (as for example: myself, Booth11, and the OP) he'll never get to see these numbers long-term. The weekend drives which are closer to the type of use I associate with these cars are around 22 for you as well which is in line with everybody else's figures so at least the OP can relax knowing that nobody's getting better economy out of their car - it's only a matter of usage.
That's why I always say economy comparisons without detailed description of the way the miles were driven are totally pointless. The difference of modern, advanced engines such as this one compared to 10-20 years ago means that at least in low load conditions they are able to drink a lot less than in the past, but that's just about it. The moment you start to spool the turbo everything goes naturally out the window.
PS. On the other hand, If 90%+ of your miles are 40-60mph steady, you don't really see any benefit (performance wise) in driving a car like an S3/R/etc. An A3 would have provided exactly the same experience (performance requirements in that scenario are practically non-existent) and guess what, with probably 50-60% the fuel you're using now?
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PS. On the other hand, If 90%+ of your miles are 40-60mph steady, you don't really see any benefit (performance wise) in driving a car like an S3/R/etc. An A3 would have provided exactly the same experience (performance requirements in that scenario are practically non-existent) and guess what, with probably 50-60% the fuel you're using now?
Funny you should say that, I was driving mum's MK7 Golf 1.4 for a few months, in between selling the GTI and waiting for the new car and was getting 50+MPG but wasn't getting to work any slower and it was still a nice place to be. Then just get something really mad for the weekend. :laugh:
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Funny you should say that, I was driving mum's MK7 Golf 1.4 for a few months, in between selling the GTI and waiting for the new car and was getting 50+MPG but wasn't getting to work any slower and it was still a nice place to be. Then just get something really mad for the weekend. :laugh:
The problem with doing that is that costs don't stack up and offset the difference.
For example, I do an estimated 6000 miles a year commuting to and from work (9 miles each way), which at my current long term figure of 30mpg will cost £1272 in fuel. At 50mpg that drops to £763, so a £509 annual fuel saving - or £42 per month.
Let's say for example that a GTI lease is £320 per month (ignore the deposit as we can put the same down on a 1.4) and the less fun car comes out at £240 per month so a saving of £80 per month - £960 per year.
Combine the two savings and you've got £122 per month to spend, which won't get you a fun new car so it has to be an older cash or loan purchase - if you extrapolate that over three years (before you get bored and want something else) then you have around £4.5k to spend on purchasing the vehicle and maintenance. We can probably ignore fuel costs as it's for occasional use and any residual value after three years will have been offset by running costs and maintenance.
So in conclusion - get something fun for the daily. :cool:
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The spirit was not that someone is lying necessarily but that for those numbers to be true (no reason to believe they aren't) it should be down to a way of driving and conditions way different than mine or most others for that matter, to be considered representative for the average R/S3/Clubsport owner so I still don't stress over anyone's unusually high mpg of any variant of the CJX engine. These engines have been out for quite a while now to expect any improvements all of a sudden. So yes, 31.9mpg over 9322.2 miles is totally possible but as someone (in a different language) once said: it's a bit like sausages: Result tastes good but you don't want to know how they were made...
It's fairly simple really, I use my car as my daily driver and my main commute of 40 miles is spent at 40-60mph in constant traffic, so perfect conditions for good MPG but no choice unless I act like an idiot and try to pass everyone.
This usually gives high 30s to 40 as seems to be the norm for this average speed judging by the comments from the VWROC forum linked earlier. Was never that keen in rushing to work anyway :smiley:
At the weekend when enjoying the car it's usually low to mid 20s so this averages out at what you see.
That's what I love about these cars, best of both worlds.
Well I'm glad some of us deem fuel consumption a relevant topic of debate. For sure you pays yer money etc. But whether a GTD,GTI or R still good to know what others are achieving over and after a period of time. It can make the difference in the decision of purchase for many due to running costs. Of course driving styles vary, journeys vary. I wonder if 20mpg was the max an R could achieve, how many would still buy? Notwithstanding maybe having an oil well in the garden :laugh:
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Well I'm glad some of us deem fuel consumption a relevant topic of debate. For sure you pays yer money etc. But whether a GTD,GTI or R still good to know what others are achieving over and after a period of time. It can make the difference in the decision of purchase for many due to running costs. Of course driving styles vary, journeys vary. I wonder if 20mpg was the max an R could achieve, how many would still buy? Notwithstanding maybe having an oil well in the garden :laugh:
And again, the point is that if/when the figures are different, it's not the car/engine that has actually different performance/economy but the type of miles that each owner does, couldn't be more clear after Mike's explanation of his 31.9 in his S3. It should be obvious but in some cases people have been as worried as to take their car to the dealership with the complaint of "increased fuel consumption" because it didn't match figures posted in forums...
Also, if 20mpg was the max, in a world where other 300bhp cars could also just hit 20's then most people would still buy I think, it's all about reference and comparison.
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Well I'm glad some of us deem fuel consumption a relevant topic of debate. For sure you pays yer money etc. But whether a GTD,GTI or R still good to know what others are achieving over and after a period of time. It can make the difference in the decision of purchase for many due to running costs. Of course driving styles vary, journeys vary. I wonder if 20mpg was the max an R could achieve, how many would still buy? Notwithstanding maybe having an oil well in the garden :laugh:
And again, the point is that if/when the figures are different, it's not the car/engine that has actually different performance/economy but the type of miles that each owner does, couldn't be more clear after Mike's explanation of his 31.9 in his S3. It should be obvious but in some cases people have been as worried as to take their car to the dealership with the complaint of "increased fuel consumption" because it didn't match figures posted in forums...
Also, if 20mpg was the max, in a world where other 300bhp cars could also just hit 20's then most people would still buy I think, it's all about reference and comparison.
^ This.
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I've always said on here... "what difference does a few MPG make" but for the fun (or not), I just did some rough calculations on what my R costs me on fuel versus what I'd roughly be paying if I was driving a TDI bluemotion...
By my calcs, even with my low annual mileage (8.5k per year), I spend about 800 euro p/a more on fuel than I would do in a shopping trolley diesel. :huh: I think I will revert to not thinking any more about it!
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I've always said on here... "what difference does a few MPG make" but for the fun (or not), I just did some rough calculations on what my R costs me on fuel versus what I'd roughly be paying if I was driving a TDI bluemotion...
By my calcs, even with my low annual mileage (8.5k per year), I spend about 800 euro p/a more on fuel than I would do in a shopping trolley diesel. :huh: I think I will revert to not thinking any more about it!
Do you think you get 800 euros p/a more enjoyment from an R than you would a TDI Bluemption?
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Recent R owner (7.5) & not been driving it long (nor read all of this thread), but:
- The delivery driver got "over 40" by being in Eco Mode & driving it at 60 ("But it still shifted off roundabouts". Did it now)
- I get (very) early 30s on most runs - by mainly tootling it in Eco, with a few short Race bursts that usually remove a couple of MPGs for the total journey
- I reckon I'd get nearer 15mpg driving it hard - particularly if short journeys
- For being an estate, that goes like sh*t off a shovel, getting anywhere near 30mpg is great - and could easily be more if not for the stonking Race mode.
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I've always said on here... "what difference does a few MPG make" but for the fun (or not), I just did some rough calculations on what my R costs me on fuel versus what I'd roughly be paying if I was driving a TDI bluemotion...
By my calcs, even with my low annual mileage (8.5k per year), I spend about 800 euro p/a more on fuel than I would do in a shopping trolley diesel. :huh: I think I will revert to not thinking any more about it!
Do you think you get 800 euros p/a more enjoyment from an R than you would a TDI Bluemption?
For 20k a year, i worked it out, its about 50 quid a month more for a GTI than a GTD and about another 70 a month more for an R compared to a GTI...
Hard to say whether I'd feel happy spending that money, because equally you could say that a 150PS Bluemotion would be cheaper still...
I guess we all make all sorts of decisions about how we spend our hard earnt cash - whether its holidays in the Caribbean, fast cars, expensive women or hoovering white powder up your nose. Its all about priorities and choices.
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I've always said on here... "what difference does a few MPG make" but for the fun (or not), I just did some rough calculations on what my R costs me on fuel versus what I'd roughly be paying if I was driving a TDI bluemotion...
By my calcs, even with my low annual mileage (8.5k per year), I spend about 800 euro p/a more on fuel than I would do in a shopping trolley diesel. :huh: I think I will revert to not thinking any more about it!
Do you think you get 800 euros p/a more enjoyment from an R than you would a TDI Bluemption?
Good question!
I guess I justify it to myself like a lot of others on here. Cars are my thing, my interest, my hobby. I'd lose all interest in them if I was driving something mundane and I'd waste the 800 on something else.
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A mate called me today to ask me if I wanted a go in the .:R demonstrator he had got for the day. He is looking to change his Mums 3 year old GTD.
Fuel consumption never even entered my mind as I was putting it through it's paces on a very twisty, undulating B road. The way the thing accelerates, farts on upshifts and just grips was getting addictive. I was also impressed how easy it was to get the back end light when turning in, then how composed it was when feeding power back to the rear. It inspired far more confidence than was probable safe on the public road.
Man maths will always make a case to justify a car like this, so if you want one, just get one. I'm not sure I'd be happy paying out all that money for a new one, so a used one would be a great buy in the future. Just not the one we've been driving today tho'. :evil:
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I'll be honest when you rent one for £200 a month you do not really care about the full consumption
Sort of an oxymoron car as you never seem to get ideal fuel consumption as you tend to 'drive it' a bit as its a capable car, if I went GTI it would not be for the marginal fuel saving, it would be I genuinely think it is more fun to drive
There is not much between the R and M2 on the fuel consumption front except the BMW has a slightly smaller tank
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would there be much of a difference between the gti and the pp gti regards to fuel consumption?
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would there be much of a difference between the gti and the pp gti regards to fuel consumption?
Looking at VW's website, the consumption figures for the manual GTi PP would suggest a slightly higher consumption than the standard (230) GTi, but the same for the DSG PP vs standard GTi (I guess the 7-speed DSG helps here).
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would there be much of a difference between the gti and the pp gti regards to fuel consumption?
Looking at VW's website, the consumption figures for the manual GTi PP would suggest a slightly higher consumption than the standard (230) GTi, but the same for the DSG PP vs standard GTi (I guess the 7-speed DSG helps here).
this is where i get a bit kerfuffled, with mpg emissions being the buzz word nowadays why is it that the gti is the only option where the 7speed isn't the standard dsg upgrade?