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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: drisser on 20 October 2016, 11:25
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In my various emails and calls regarding clubsport availability, it seems one dealer might have a cancelled Clubsport S order. I am awaiting a confirmation if this is the case or not.
From a personal point of view clearly it will be a good investment - anyone think it is worth the extra outlay over a CS given the limited practicality (I wouldn't buy a car to leave it in the garage so has to be useable) and a 2 seater Golf wont probably get as much use as a CS in my household !
Any views ?
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I'd jump right in!
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OK but take the speculation / investment out of it :smiley:
what about v the clubsport std I know it would be a better investment long term but quite a lot of compromises !?
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Not for me as I'm not interested in track days so the "standard" Clubsport is far more appealing - back seats and especially DSG - I'm a total convert and I wouldn't buy a manual now!
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What I see is a great car which will have decent residuals but remain a little unconvinced if you are buying it as investment.
Buy it as a car to take on a A and B road with the stereo turned off.
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I wasn't thinking about speculation/investment I was coming at it from a fun angle (I'll grow up one day...).
As the per the previous reply we need 4-seats now so wouldn't be an option for us. If you are in a different situation I think its a goer.
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One of the appealing things about the std CS is you don't have the compromise of buying say a Cayman or something more expensive as is normal with a 2 seater..
Losing that makes me think well a cayman would be as good a buy if not better, whereas the std CS has few compromises but looks a bit more special than the std gti... and while I am sure it will depreciate enough, it ought to be a more solid buy than a standard car..
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i'd stick with what you have a 2017 build slot for ;)
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haha
still not sure about that.. it is also 50% more expensive than a CS and very similar inside to my 330d.. Cant help thinking the GTi would be a lot cheaper to run as a 2nd car and feel a bit "different" whilst feeling special enough.
Cnt put my finger on it tbh but I really fancy a CS - think it is a car I could keep a long time
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is the CS S 50% more expensive than the CS?? Then I would really not consider it.
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Depends what you want it to do. Is it a family car or just your car?
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no I meant an M2 is 50% more than a CS !
For me it would be a fun car but also need to be usable for me and the other half plus kids in future as I would be keeping it long term. It doesn't need 5 doors but I don't think I could justify a Golf with 2 seats tbh..
I also like a few comforts in my cars even if they are B road focussed !
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Lots of factors to consider but can you live with only 2 seats is key I guess.
Oh and will you regret not getting a CSS later on 😉
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Owning a CS for almost two months now I can't really see any other car feeling even half as special as this and being a family driver with as much competence as a Clubsport, that really is it's biggest appeal. And while you can perfectly carry lots of luggage and 5 people, have a nice infotainment system, a great hi-fi and lots of other small luxuries, whenever I'm alone in the car, the interior (with buckets) makes me think I'm driving something almost as special as a 911 GT3.
I've said it before that the problem with the CS-S is it's too similar mechanically and visually identical to the standard CS that it takes a dedicated track fun or someone that just doesn't ever care about passengers to justify the practicality and other options' deletion for marginally better performance at the limit. And like you wrote, the 2-seater driver's car competition is harsh and has some admittedly better and more classic options so unless you are looking at it from an investment point of view it doesn't make much sense.
Even the theoretical future value is much debatable in my opinion for any Golf with no rear seats and not some mad power/drivetrain and uber aggressive look (that neither the CS or CS-S provide).
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You will kick yourself for not taking a CS-S ... It will be as quick as the M2 for virtually half the price and a limited run car unlike the M2 - i had a deposit on an M2 but bailed out as just thought £60k a crazy amount of money for a car with average seats and basic 2 series layout - better off buying a 5 year old 1M for £45k ... Which is why i think the CS-S is a no brainer ... £34k 6% APR as opposed to BMW 9% and M2 with what will be a relatively large total build numbers, unlike the 1M or CS-S
In my experience, you can never go wrong with Limited build cars and 400 World wide is seriously low build ... add to that it appears to be a great car (See Top Gear - Speed week Video) and £34k price point with low APR rates and even lower running costs and its a winner all round ... Sure its a Golf and the M cars have more Magic but i think with this CS-S car VW have gone hunting for new M2/A45/RS3 Owners and probably found them ... :rolleyes:
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I think the CS-S is as niche a car as VW have ever built. The low build numbers will be absorbed by VW enthusiasts, I can't really see it appealing to M2, AMG 45 or RS3 owners myself.
The M2 is rwd and the AMG & RS3 are point 'n squirt 4wd missiles that lack the handling finesse I would hope a CS-S offers.
Drisser, if you are not going for the car yourself, I would appreciate an email heads up if it available at list.
I would own and use it, but can't get excited at paying overs!
Cheers...
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You will kick yourself for not taking a CS-S ... It will be as quick as the M2 for virtually half the price and a limited run car unlike the M2 - i had a deposit on an M2 but bailed out as just thought £60k a crazy amount of money for a car with average seats and basic 2 series layout - better off buying a 5 year old 1M for £45k ... Which is why i think the CS-S is a no brainer ... £34k 6% APR as opposed to BMW 9% and M2 with what will be a relatively large total build numbers, unlike the 1M or CS-S
In my experience, you can never go wrong with Limited build cars and 400 World wide is seriously low build ... add to that it appears to be a great car (See Top Gear - Speed week Video) and £34k price point with low APR rates and even lower running costs and its a winner all round ... Sure its a Golf and the M cars have more Magic but i think with this CS-S car VW have gone hunting for new M2/A45/RS3 Owners and probably found them ... :rolleyes:
How exactly is an M2 £60k? Adding every option going brings it to just over £50k and vanilla spec only £44k. Given the choice I'd have a basic M2 over a CSS any day of the week. To me its a far better looking car
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GT4 no disrespect but I think you've started to talk out of your ring
As Clubsport says, It's not in the same league, totally different concept
My Daughter has just taken delivery of her M2, has a fair old spec on it and it was 53k from memory so not 60 bags.
It's an awesome car, it's where the M3 was and should still be, a proper rwd weapon. My daughter says it's perfect for shopping too. loool
Whilst the CS-S is a great car it'n no M2 and we don't actually know if they're limited or not do we, still very low build for the foreseeable
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Guys - I apologise for the £60k error ... I have a stinking cold and got the numbers in my head wrong :cry:
I was going to get M2 but as i said in a previous post, thought it was expensive and cheap BMW interior inside, i guess i have been spoilt by Porsche... as i have said previously, i loved the car but don't think its a replacement for the 1M and the whole BMW being ambiguous about how many they are going to build put me off the car ... Its a great car never the less but not a limited run car - I have my name down for a M2 CSL if it gets built and would think that a better proposition, like the GT4 ...
Again, apologies for the typo on M2 cost .... were all human!
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Guys - I apologise for the £60k error ... I have a stinking cold and got the numbers in my head wrong :cry:
I was going to get M2 but as i said in a previous post, thought it was expensive and cheap BMW interior inside, i guess i have been spoilt by Porsche... as i have said previously, i loved the car but don't think its a replacement for the 1M and the whole BMW being ambiguous about how many they are going to build put me off the car ... Its a great car never the less but not a limited run car - I have my name down for a M2 CSL if it gets built and would think that a better proposition, like the GT4 ...
Again, apologies for the typo on M2 cost .... were all human!
You're not the only one on here who has been Porsched. I've had plenty of high end Pork as I know Paul (Clubsport) has and probably many others here
You have to take a step back and look at other cars from a different perspective. I love an M car, had loads, all the M3's right up to the latest (well it's my Womans TBH) but also AMG stuff inc the SLS currently but I'm no snob, they're all great cars, appreciated for what they offer.
Your early posts here were centered around whether the CS-S was worthy of you, this I don't understand.
Reminds me of when I had a GT-R35 new in 2010 and so many guys would diss it purely because it's a Datsun.......Madness....Badge snobbery.
I know the GT-4 is a cracking car but it's not the be all and end all..
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I was going to get M2 but as i said in a previous post, thought it was expensive and cheap BMW interior inside, i guess i have been spoilt by Porsche...
It's interesting that you say this, as I thought the interior of my Porsche was very bland, not very well laid out, and no where near the standard of a BMW or Audi. But then you don't buy a Porsche to play around with the infotainment :laugh:
I'd also have an M2 every day of the week over a CS-S, there really isn't any comparison IMO, but each to their own! Saying that, I'm looking forward to seeing the CS-S on the road so I can have a nosey!
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Wow ... Viper, i am not criticising the M2 - its a great car, but considerably more expensive than CS-S - all the cars you mention are great in one way or another, i am not saying that for one second, so don't know why your being sensitive to that ... thats not my intention to rub people up the wrong way. This is a friendly Forum from what i can see ... I just think the CS-S is an interesting car and with the write ups and limited build a good car for someone looking at a VW or in the £30k price band ...
Lets get back to the thread and being offered a CS-S ...?
If you need 4 seats then its a no go'er but if 2 seats will do and you want a fun, special, limited build, low running costs, marginal depreciation car for average £££ its a logical choice in my humble opinion ... :smiley:
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My only issue with the CS S and Mk7 golfs in general is the overall build quality. Compared to my old A3 and my wife's current A3, it feels a bit lacking somehow. The steel is very thin and the cloth trim on the door cards etc feels as substantial as tissue paper to me.
I would imagine an M2, RS3 and any Porsche would feel better built but I may be wrong.
Maybe all cars are made to a lower standard now.
The one thing I always expect when I pay a premium for any product, is higher than average build quality.
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Kalimon: All cars are being built to a lower standard now, the Audi A3 is no exception. I had a facelift A3 saloon courtesy car a few weeks ago and it felt no more plush than a Golf. For the meagre 30kg saving the MK7s thinner panels save, i'd rather have the thicker panels and a more solid feeling car. Audi/BMW/Merc/VW - they all feel less solid than they used to. Can't imagine too many MK7s lasting like the old MK2s in 25 years time.
I feel utterly cheated by the wife's A1, doesn't feel premium at all, but it's what she wanted.
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I wouldn't say my wife's A3 is plusher, in fact probably the opposite. It's things like the seats, steering wheel and dash that feel a lot sturdier and higher quality. Obviously you pay a premium for things like that but it's things like that I tend notice.
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I wouldn't say my wife's A3 is plusher, in fact probably the opposite. It's things like the seats, steering wheel and dash that feel a lot sturdier and higher quality. Obviously you pay a premium for things like that but it's things like that I tend notice.
The steering wheel is exactly the same, save for badging and button configuration on the performance Golfs and S3/RS3 (maybe S-line too?). I found my R's driver seat more comfortable than the courtesy A3's, but that might be comparing apples to oranges as the A3 seats weren't Sport ones. Neither felt more solid than the other in use or adjustment. More solid dash? The Golf's is styled more like my mate's A4 with the rectangular vents, no less solid though, the pop up infotainment screen may impress the first few times, but the resolution is lower than the Golfs. It comes down to whether you prefer the Audi/Seat minimalist look of the dash (that isn't so minimalist when the screen pops up). The only difference i've noticed when comparing the A3's cabin to a performance Golf's was the softer plastics used on the sides of the centre console. Everything else was comparable and many interior parts were exactly the same. I preferred the A3's aluminium trim strips and their thinner climate control layout but that was about it. Standard leather impresses some but it comes at a high cost in liru of standard equipment you'd feel the need to spec on the A3. Might get an S3 next time just to feel I got a different car (even though it is 95% the same), but i'd be under no delusion it was a better built or more solid car. My local Audi dealer has been abysmal with warranty work on the A1 - 3 attempts at a new door rubber and they damaged the door card speaker grille and put 3 small dents on the windscreen pillar in the process. Not impressed with Audi at all.
The A-class interior looks and feels very cheap compared to its peers.
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I wouldn't say my wife's A3 is plusher, in fact probably the opposite. It's things like the seats, steering wheel and dash that feel a lot sturdier and higher quality. Obviously you pay a premium for things like that but it's things like that I tend notice.
The steering wheel is exactly the same, save for badging and button configuration on the performance Golfs and S3/RS3 (maybe S-line too?). I found my R's driver seat more comfortable than the courtesy A3's, but that might be comparing apples to oranges as the A3 seats weren't Sport ones. Neither felt more solid than the other in use or adjustment. More solid dash? The Golf's is styled more like my mate's A4 with the rectangular vents, no less solid though, the pop up infotainment screen may impress the first few times, but the resolution is lower than the Golfs. It comes down to whether you prefer the Audi/Seat minimalist look of the dash (that isn't so minimalist when the screen pops up). The only difference i've noticed when comparing the A3's cabin to a performance Golf's was the softer plastics used on the sides of the centre console. Everything else was comparable and many interior parts were exactly the same. I preferred the A3's aluminium trim strips and their thinner climate control layout but that was about it. Standard leather impresses some but it comes at a high cost in liru of standard equipment you'd feel the need to spec on the A3. Might get an S3 next time just to feel I got a different car (even though it is 95% the same), but i'd be under no delusion it was a better built or more solid car. My local Audi dealer has been abysmal with warranty work on the A1 - 3 attempts at a new door rubber and they damaged the door card speaker grille and put 3 small dents on the windscreen pillar in the process. Not impressed with Audi at all.
The A-class interior looks and feels very cheap compared to its peers.
Well all I know is that I drive my wife's A3 s line all the time and whilst I much prefer the cabin of the Golf, there is no denying the step up in materials used in the Audi. And no, the steering wheel is most certainly not the same. It's thicker for a start and is perforated leather. Not sat in an S3 or RS3 to be fair so and my wife's car is a 14 plate so maybe they've changed it.
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^ How old is the A3? Might be comparing apples and oranges comparing an old A3 to a new Golf, as things like steering wheels do change, there are usually 4 different styles on the go at once for A4/Passat and below that are shared between the VAG marques (save for button configurations and badging), there's usually a cheapy all plastic round one with a very thin rim (the button configs are almost always blanked out), a midrange one which is like the cheapy one but with leather rim (sometimes the button configs are blanked out), a higher one with all the bells and whistles, and the sporty one with the round bottom and anodised/chromed spokes, badges and all the bells and whistles - with and without perforations.
The current MK7 Golf/Audi A3 8V platform's rim is thinner than the wheel seen on the MK6, 8P sporty A3s and later VW Scirocco. My Scirocco's wheel had perforations - great for collecting dead skin from your hands, not something i'd consider to be premium in feel, i'd rather be without the perforations after 6 months of use.
The Golf and the A3 have become flimsier recently, comparing a MK7 with the A3s made at the time of the MK5 and you will see a difference. Thinner bodywork, more slender equipment They tell you it's weight saving, we all know it's cost cutting.
Considering so many shared components between MK7/A3 8V, or MK6/A3 8P etc, under the skin everything is the same level of sturdiness like for like on the trim levels, it's the tactile things that give the impression of higher quality. VAG (and every other car manufacturer out there) have got good at cutting corners where the difference would not be seen or felt in use - Everywhere used to have lacquered paintwork, but look in the crevice of the front wing when the door is open, around the spare wheel and under the bonnet now and you'll see a lot of matt coloured paint finish on Golfs and A3s alike, leather seats are only leather on the faces that'll be in contact with you when sitting in it.
The difference in interior trim materials between Audi and VW used to be a lot higher than it currently is (comparing like for like A3 8V vs MK7 Golf). A slightly nicer tactile feel to the door cards and dash materials in the lower parts less likely to be in the eyeline is one of the cheapest things a carmaker can do to improve quality perception. Reliability indexes do not indicate that the Golf is any better or worse than the A3, some of them would suggest that Skoda is the most reliable VAG marque out there, but are Skodas any better built? Doubt it very much, lower prices, lower expectations to be met by the owners.
Pre A3 facelift there was a mere £400 between the S3 and the R. The R had around £2700 more standard equipment (gizmos), the S3 had Nappa leather worth about the same in lieu of equipment, so it would seem that even Audi recognised that they were so similar, if the Audi was the justifiably better car, the price differential would have been much more.
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Not quite 2 years old. As I said, the Golf has a much nicer cabin layout than the A3 and the controls are more intuitive but the Audi has a sturdier feel to it in my opinion.
I still bought a GTI when all said and done :wink:
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I see there is a CS-S on PH that has been increased to £43'995 ... :tongue:
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I see there is a CS-S on PH that has been increased to £43'995 ... :tongue:
That's a shame, it puts it further out of the reach of enthusiasts as the flippers work out their ROI on their finance payments! :grin:
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Advertising it at a silly price is one thing, but getting the silly price is another. :wink:
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Got to be a good thing IMO ... Ok - I am biased but it only lends greater gravitas to the GTi family IMO ... Clubsport 40's should see an uplift and R values look even stronger in the light of £40k plus CS-S cars ... :nerd:
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GT4 all of this talking the values up, you sound more like a flipper with every post! :)
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Got to be a good thing IMO ... Ok - I am biased but it only lends greater gravitas to the GTi family IMO ... Clubsport 40's should see an uplift and R values look even stronger in the light of £40k plus CS-S cars ... :nerd:
I can see Clubsport 40 being stronger but not the R as there are too many around.
Supply and demand
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Now that the CS-S has just finished Runner Up in 2016 ECOTY i am sure we will see more £40k CS-S cars ... I wonder if the OP is taking the dealership up on their offer of a CS-S ... :laugh:
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I think the R will devalue more slowly for a while due to the lull in production while VW sort out the facelift. As vipergts says, there are too many R's around, one of the reasons I sold mine, great car but too common. Clubsports will always devalue slower than a GTI, history shows us that and I think now that VW have stopped clubsport orders, I suspect there will be nowhere near 1,000 imported, more likely to be around 600. The highest number I've seen is in the low 400s and there can't be that many more customer orders being built.
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I can't see R dropping off a cliff. Yes there are a lot of them but they are still good value for money for a 300bhp 4wd car with all the latest technology. I can't really see that changing any time soon.
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I can't see R dropping off a cliff. Yes there are a lot of them but they are still good value for money for a 300bhp 4wd car with all the latest technology. I can't really see that changing any time soon.
I'd agree with that, it has the supply, but also the demand for that supply. On the used market people will want it more than a standard GTI or PP, and will be prepared to pay significantly more for an extra 70/80ps and 4WD. There are many more GTDs than GTIs and i'd still expect a GTD to be worth slightly more.
Anyone got an idea about ratios of GTD:GTI:R out there in MK7? I'd hazard a guess at 5 GTDs:1 GTI: 2 R.
I do think that the lease deals available made some people think that there are more Rs out there than non performance Golfs, the rea numbers are likely much lower.
The CSS won't be a popular car to the masses due to its lack of practicality (and the majority of people not knowing it from a standard GTI when they see one on the road), but due to the limited number out there, every one will find a willing buyer at a strong price - it is a proper niche car.
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I can't see R dropping off a cliff. Yes there are a lot of them but they are still good value for money for a 300bhp 4wd car with all the latest technology. I can't really see that changing any time soon.
I'd agree with that, it has the supply, but also the demand for that supply. On the used market people will want it more than a standard GTI or PP, and will be prepared to pay significantly more for an extra 70/80ps and 4WD. There are many more GTDs than GTIs and i'd still expect a GTD to be worth slightly more.
Anyone got an idea about ratios of GTD:GTI:R out there in MK7? I'd hazard a guess at 5 GTDs:1 GTI: 2 R.
I do think that the lease deals available made some people think that there are more Rs out there than non performance Golfs, the rea numbers are likely much lower.
The CSS won't be a popular car to the masses due to its lack of practicality (and the majority of people not knowing it from a standard GTI when they see one on the road), but due to the limited number out there, every one will find a willing buyer at a strong price - it is a proper niche car.
Roughly 5k GTI, 20k GTD & 13k Golf R according to howmanyleft and excluding earlier models
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Every man and next doors dog has either an R or a gtd where as you don't see many gti's. At least I haven't. For every 10 or 20 Rs I might see 1 gti and even rarer a pp gti.
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Every man and next doors dog has either an R or a gtd where as you don't see many gti's. At least I haven't. For every 10 or 20 Rs I might see 1 gti and even rarer a pp gti.
Most Mk7 GTI are PP I think.
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Every man and next doors dog has either an R or a gtd where as you don't see many gti's. At least I haven't. For every 10 or 20 Rs I might see 1 gti and even rarer a pp gti.
There's 4 in North Shields that I know of, 1 red, one black and 2 CSG - and they're all PP, there are 2 other Rs I see regularly in the same area. I see more Rs on my commute, but around the doors there seems more GTIs around me.
Lots and lots of GTDs everywhere though, and why not, if I was after another single scroll turbo diesel, i'd probably be back in a GTD, with a DTUK box on.
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For a sensible person or anyone with a company car allowance that doesn't run into silly amounts then the GTD is a very compelling buy.
The R is popular because of it's relative affordability compared to the GTI taking into account the extra 80PS and driven axle.
However when I had my GTI I hardly saw any about but they're getting a lot more prolific in numbers now. I have one about 100 yards from me as the crow flies at home. Well, more likely a pigeon as there seems to be more of those than crows around here.
Plus I see numerous ones on my daily commute, nearly as many now as R's. GTI's that is, not pigeons or crows.
People moan about GTDs and R's being too common which I find odd.
Golfs are popular cars full stop and you see lots of them about in general. They're probably one of the biggest selling hatchbacks nowadays and when I think back to the mk2 Golf heydays 20% or so of all Golf sales were GTI's.
Performance Golfs were never meant to be exclusive and just because there are lots of them around doesn't devalue them - in fact there's always a healthy second hand demand which keeps depreciation fairly steady on all the models of Golf.
Obviously not CSS's as they're hewn from solid (but special extra lightweight) gold so will only ever appreciate :rolleyes:
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Every man and next doors dog has either an R or a gtd where as you don't see many gti's. At least I haven't. For every 10 or 20 Rs I might see 1 gti and even rarer a pp gti.
There's 4 in North Shields that I know of, 1 red, one black and 2 CSG - and they're all PP, there are 2 other Rs I see regularly in the same area. I see more Rs on my commute, but around the doors there seems more GTIs around me.
Lots and lots of GTDs everywhere though, and why not, if I was after another single scroll turbo diesel, i'd probably be back in a GTD, with a DTUK box on.
Funny you should mention single scroll turbo diesels, a good friend of mine has just had a couple of short term lease BMW 125d's.
He said they really need to be worked quite hard to get the best out of them which is unusual for modern Diesels which seem to be the opposite.
He said one was really quite quick and the other a bit lethargic but both could be spun up through the first three gears without the car physically moving quite easily!
He's now driving a Focus for a while which is a bit of a strange car - it's black with black wheels with a red roof and brake calipers! Almost as exclusive as a ClubSport!
I think a GTD with DTUK box is still one of the best options going for pure fun versus cost.
Someone has to keep (DTUK) Andrew in expensive watches by buying his boxes... :whistle: :wink:
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Gov data
2015 there were 10k R's registered/taxed/sorn
2016 there were 12.5k registered/taxed/sorn
2015 GTD 20k registered/taxed/sorn
2016 GTD 23k registered/taxed/sorn
2015 GTi PP 2k registered/taxed/sorn
2016 GTi PP 2.3k registered/taxed/sorn
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Interesting and certainly backs up what I'm seeing on my local roads. Obviously people in and around Sunderland don't buy gti's :wink:
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Gov data
2015 there were 10k R's registered/taxed/sorn
2016 there were 12.5k registered/taxed/sorn
2015 GTD 20k registered/taxed/sorn
2016 GTD 23k registered/taxed/sorn
2015 GTi PP 2k registered/taxed/sorn
2016 GTi PP 2.3k registered/taxed/sorn
Say's it all really. 5/6 R's for every GTI you see.
So I wasn't imagining it after all :grin:
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Gov data
2015 there were 10k R's registered/taxed/sorn
2016 there were 12.5k registered/taxed/sorn
2015 GTD 20k registered/taxed/sorn
2016 GTD 23k registered/taxed/sorn
2015 GTi PP 2k registered/taxed/sorn
2016 GTi PP 2.3k registered/taxed/sorn
Any numbers on the non PP GTIs? I can't believe GTDs outnumber GTIs 10 to 1.
On "How Many left", there are 2k "GTI Performance S-A" in addition to the "GTI Performance" - S-A = Semi automatic = DSG? Looks to be too hard to differentiate MK7 GTI (non PP) to the other marques within those stats.
Prior to the arrival of the R (and then the dirt cheap leases), I doubt the GTI was outnumbered by GTD by more than 3 to 1, probably more like 2 to 1.
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Gov data
2015 there were 10k R's registered/taxed/sorn
2016 there were 12.5k registered/taxed/sorn
2015 GTD 20k registered/taxed/sorn
2016 GTD 23k registered/taxed/sorn
2015 GTi PP 2k registered/taxed/sorn
2016 GTi PP 2.3k registered/taxed/sorn
Any numbers on the non PP GTIs? I can't believe GTDs outnumber GTIs 10 to 1.
I can. I'm tripping over them in Manchester!
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Interesting and certainly backs up what I'm seeing on my local roads. Obviously people in and around Sunderland don't buy gti's :wink:
They're all driving around in Jukes bought with friends and family discount from employees of the Nissan plant. Seems in Tyne and Wear a quarter of all new cars I see on the road are Jukes.
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Anyway .... To the question - "Did the OP take up the offer on a Clubsport S" or did the dealer principle keep it for himself ...:whistle:
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In my various emails and calls regarding clubsport availability, it seems one dealer might have a cancelled Clubsport S order. I am awaiting a confirmation if this is the case or not.
From a personal point of view clearly it will be a good investment - anyone think it is worth the extra outlay over a CS given the limited practicality (I wouldn't buy a car to leave it in the garage so has to be useable) and a 2 seater Golf wont probably get as much use as a CS in my household !
Any views ?
Drisser - Did you take the Dealer up on the chance of a CS-S ...??? :lipsrsealed: