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Re: Possibly being offered a Clubsport S
« Reply #20 on: 26 October 2016, 10:24 »
I was going to get M2 but as i said in a previous post, thought it was expensive and cheap BMW interior inside, i guess i have been spoilt by Porsche...

It's interesting that you say this, as I thought the interior of my Porsche was very bland, not very well laid out, and no where near the standard of a BMW or Audi.  But then you don't buy a Porsche to play around with the infotainment  :laugh:

I'd also have an M2 every day of the week over a CS-S, there really isn't any comparison IMO, but each to their own!  Saying that, I'm looking forward to seeing the CS-S on the road so I can have a nosey!
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Re: Possibly being offered a Clubsport S
« Reply #21 on: 26 October 2016, 13:00 »
Wow ... Viper, i am not criticising the M2 - its a great car, but considerably more expensive than CS-S - all the cars you mention are great in one way or another, i am not saying that for one second, so don't know why your being sensitive to that ... thats not my intention to rub people up the wrong way. This is a friendly Forum from what i can see ... I just think the CS-S is an interesting car and with the write ups and limited build a good car for someone looking at a VW or in the £30k price band ...

Lets get back to the thread and being offered a CS-S ...?

If you need 4 seats then its a no go'er but if 2 seats will do and you want a fun, special, limited build, low running costs, marginal depreciation car for average £££ its a logical choice in my humble opinion ... :smiley:

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Re: Possibly being offered a Clubsport S
« Reply #22 on: 26 October 2016, 13:56 »
My only issue with the CS S and Mk7 golfs in general is the overall build quality.  Compared to my old A3 and my wife's current A3, it feels a bit lacking somehow. The steel is very thin and the cloth trim on the door cards etc feels as substantial as tissue paper to me.
I would imagine an M2, RS3 and any Porsche would feel better built but I may be wrong. 
Maybe all cars are made to a lower standard now. 
The one thing I always expect when I pay a premium for any product, is higher than average build quality.
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Re: Possibly being offered a Clubsport S
« Reply #23 on: 26 October 2016, 15:29 »
Kalimon: All cars are being built to a lower standard now, the Audi A3 is no exception. I had a facelift A3 saloon courtesy car a few weeks ago and it felt no more plush than a Golf. For the meagre 30kg saving the MK7s thinner panels save, i'd rather have the thicker panels and a more solid feeling car. Audi/BMW/Merc/VW - they all feel less solid than they used to. Can't imagine too many MK7s lasting like the old MK2s in 25 years time.

I feel utterly cheated by the wife's A1, doesn't feel premium at all, but it's what she wanted.
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Re: Possibly being offered a Clubsport S
« Reply #24 on: 26 October 2016, 15:33 »
I wouldn't say my wife's A3  is plusher, in fact probably the opposite.  It's things like the seats, steering wheel and dash that feel a lot sturdier and higher quality. Obviously you pay a premium for things like that but it's things like that I tend notice.
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Re: Possibly being offered a Clubsport S
« Reply #25 on: 27 October 2016, 01:03 »
I wouldn't say my wife's A3  is plusher, in fact probably the opposite.  It's things like the seats, steering wheel and dash that feel a lot sturdier and higher quality. Obviously you pay a premium for things like that but it's things like that I tend notice.

The steering wheel is exactly the same, save for badging and button configuration on the performance Golfs and S3/RS3 (maybe S-line too?). I found my R's driver seat more comfortable than the courtesy A3's, but that might be comparing apples to oranges as the A3 seats weren't Sport ones. Neither felt more solid than the other in use or adjustment. More solid dash? The Golf's is styled more like my mate's A4 with the rectangular vents, no less solid though, the pop up infotainment screen may impress the first few times, but the resolution is lower than the Golfs. It comes down to whether you prefer the Audi/Seat minimalist look of the dash (that isn't so minimalist when the screen pops up). The only difference i've noticed when comparing the A3's cabin to a performance Golf's was the softer plastics used on the sides of the centre console. Everything else was comparable and many interior parts were exactly the same. I preferred the A3's aluminium trim strips and their thinner climate control layout but that was about it. Standard leather impresses some but it comes at a high cost in liru of standard equipment you'd feel the need to spec on the A3. Might get an S3 next time just to feel I got a different car (even though it is 95% the same), but i'd be under no delusion it was a better built or more solid car. My local Audi dealer has been abysmal with warranty work on the A1 - 3 attempts at a new door rubber and they damaged the door card speaker grille and put 3 small dents on the windscreen pillar in the process. Not impressed with Audi at all.

The A-class interior looks and feels very cheap compared to its peers.
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Re: Possibly being offered a Clubsport S
« Reply #26 on: 27 October 2016, 07:07 »
I wouldn't say my wife's A3  is plusher, in fact probably the opposite.  It's things like the seats, steering wheel and dash that feel a lot sturdier and higher quality. Obviously you pay a premium for things like that but it's things like that I tend notice.

The steering wheel is exactly the same, save for badging and button configuration on the performance Golfs and S3/RS3 (maybe S-line too?). I found my R's driver seat more comfortable than the courtesy A3's, but that might be comparing apples to oranges as the A3 seats weren't Sport ones. Neither felt more solid than the other in use or adjustment. More solid dash? The Golf's is styled more like my mate's A4 with the rectangular vents, no less solid though, the pop up infotainment screen may impress the first few times, but the resolution is lower than the Golfs. It comes down to whether you prefer the Audi/Seat minimalist look of the dash (that isn't so minimalist when the screen pops up). The only difference i've noticed when comparing the A3's cabin to a performance Golf's was the softer plastics used on the sides of the centre console. Everything else was comparable and many interior parts were exactly the same. I preferred the A3's aluminium trim strips and their thinner climate control layout but that was about it. Standard leather impresses some but it comes at a high cost in liru of standard equipment you'd feel the need to spec on the A3. Might get an S3 next time just to feel I got a different car (even though it is 95% the same), but i'd be under no delusion it was a better built or more solid car. My local Audi dealer has been abysmal with warranty work on the A1 - 3 attempts at a new door rubber and they damaged the door card speaker grille and put 3 small dents on the windscreen pillar in the process. Not impressed with Audi at all.

The A-class interior looks and feels very cheap compared to its peers.
Well all I know is that I drive my wife's A3 s line all the time and whilst I much prefer the cabin of the Golf, there is no denying the step up in materials used in the Audi. And no, the steering wheel is most certainly not the same.  It's thicker for a start and is perforated leather. Not sat in an S3 or RS3 to be fair so and my wife's car is a 14 plate so maybe they've changed it.
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Re: Possibly being offered a Clubsport S
« Reply #27 on: 28 October 2016, 14:01 »
^ How old is the A3? Might be comparing apples and oranges comparing an old A3 to a new Golf, as things like steering wheels do change, there are usually 4 different styles on the go at once for A4/Passat and below that are shared between the VAG marques (save for button configurations and badging), there's usually a cheapy all plastic round one with a very thin rim (the button configs are almost always blanked out), a midrange one which is like the cheapy one but with leather rim (sometimes the button configs are blanked out), a higher one with all the bells and whistles, and the sporty one with the round bottom and anodised/chromed spokes, badges and all the bells and whistles - with and without perforations.

The current MK7 Golf/Audi A3 8V platform's rim is thinner than the wheel seen on the MK6, 8P sporty A3s and later VW Scirocco. My Scirocco's wheel had perforations - great for collecting dead skin from your hands, not something i'd consider to be premium in feel, i'd rather be without the perforations after 6 months of use.

The Golf and the A3 have become flimsier recently, comparing a MK7 with the A3s made at the time of the MK5 and you will see a difference. Thinner bodywork, more slender equipment They tell you it's weight saving, we all know it's cost cutting.

Considering so many shared components between MK7/A3 8V, or MK6/A3 8P etc, under the skin everything is the same level of sturdiness like for like on the trim levels, it's the tactile things that give the impression of higher quality. VAG (and every other car manufacturer out there) have got good at cutting corners where the difference would not be seen or felt in use - Everywhere used to have lacquered paintwork, but look in the crevice of the front wing when the door is open, around the spare wheel and under the bonnet now and you'll see a lot of matt coloured paint finish on Golfs and A3s alike, leather seats are only leather on the faces that'll be in contact with you when sitting in it.

The difference in interior trim materials between Audi and VW used to be a lot higher than it currently is (comparing like for like A3 8V vs MK7 Golf). A slightly nicer tactile feel to the door cards and dash materials in the lower parts less likely to be in the eyeline is one of the cheapest things a carmaker can do to improve quality perception. Reliability indexes do not indicate that the Golf is any better or worse than the A3, some of them  would suggest that Skoda is the most reliable VAG marque out there, but are Skodas any better built? Doubt it very much, lower prices, lower expectations to be met by the owners.

Pre A3 facelift there was a mere £400 between the S3 and the R. The R had around £2700 more standard equipment (gizmos), the S3 had Nappa leather worth about the same in lieu of equipment, so it would seem that even Audi recognised that they were so similar, if the Audi was the justifiably better car, the price differential would have been much more.
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Re: Possibly being offered a Clubsport S
« Reply #28 on: 28 October 2016, 19:30 »
Not quite 2 years old. As I said, the Golf has a much nicer cabin layout than the A3 and the controls are more intuitive but the Audi has a sturdier feel to it in my opinion.
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Re: Possibly being offered a Clubsport S
« Reply #29 on: 29 October 2016, 12:00 »
I see there is a CS-S on PH that has been increased to £43'995 ...  :tongue: