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Title: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Cossieian on 07 January 2016, 20:48
So with the new deals VW are now offering on the R ie £1250 Deposit Contribution, £1000 extra Trade in, lower APR @ 4.9%, I can't help but thinking of getting a price to change??

Even though my car is only 2 months old, wonder what the trade in value would be lol

Don't get me wrong I'm happy to pay what I'm paying per month but if I could get it for less then why not :laugh:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Watts on 07 January 2016, 20:55
Crikey, I had to promise to keep my last car for at least 10 years to justify it's purchase to my OH :grin: As it was I kept it 12, my GTI, not sure, but at least 3 years. But 2 months? I think I get too attached to things and can't let go. Probably why me and OH have been together 25 years. Maybe it's time to trade her in for a newer model :evil:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Cossieian on 07 January 2016, 20:57
Don't get me wrong dude I love the car and would order another one, but I just done a cost comparison based on the new deals, and the same car as mine would cost up to £60pm less than what I'm paying, kinda stings a bit :cry:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Watts on 07 January 2016, 21:04
That's the danger of keeping looking. There's always going to be a better deal. Perhaps if you'd have bought a few months before you did you wouldn't have got as good a deal as you did. Your car looks fantastic, just enjoy it!
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: JB GTI on 07 January 2016, 21:05
I ordered my R after owning my Mk7 GTI for 7 months ! I am still shocked that I did it but have no regrets really  :laugh:

Old one

(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b632/Jlb01/image_zpsa8bd874c.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/Jlb01/media/image_zpsa8bd874c.jpg.html)

New one

(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b632/Jlb01/image.jpg1_zpspsyufvgi.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/Jlb01/media/image.jpg1_zpspsyufvgi.jpg.html)

yolo  :whistle:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: sotonjoe on 07 January 2016, 21:06
How much do you think you will lose on the purchase price of the first car if you try and sell it though?
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Cossieian on 07 January 2016, 21:11
How much do you think you will lose on the purchase price of the first car if you try and sell it though?

That's the question I need the answer to, I'm sure I'll get a crappy price but maybe worth asking??

I'm heading to my dealer in the morning anyway for some Warranty work, might have to take a seat at the sales desk ha ha ha
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Cossieian on 07 January 2016, 21:12
That's the danger of keeping looking. There's always going to be a better deal. Perhaps if you'd have bought a few months before you did you wouldn't have got as good a deal as you did. Your car looks fantastic, just enjoy it!

I wasn't actively looking, but as most people know now these deals judge appeared and I could help but compare, I shouldn't have :laugh:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: JB GTI on 07 January 2016, 21:12
How much do you think you will lose on the purchase price of the first car if you try and sell it though?

That's the question I need the answer to, I'm sure I'll get a crappy price but maybe worth asking??

I'm heading to my dealer in the morning anyway for some Warranty work, might have to take a seat at the sales desk ha ha ha

Fatal !!  :whistle:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Booth11 on 07 January 2016, 22:07
All I would say is read the title of your thread.  :wink:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Greerso on 07 January 2016, 22:25
Settle yerself Ian - go and buy a set of wheels or something  :whistle:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Exonian on 08 January 2016, 05:23
Crazy thoughts but not unexpected ones going from Ian's car history.

If you can get a deal where you're paying less or even the same for a car with your coveted Pretorias then you'd be crazy not to. Now's the time to do these things while VW are on a downer before used prices crash.
Assuming they will crash.
Having seen a thread on hotukdeals where Focus STD's with autoboxes were being knocked out at 25% off I'd say that even with VW's woes they'll still hold a part ex price better than a Ford!

It costs nothing to ask; let's see what they throw back at you...
Your salesman must love you!
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Cossieian on 08 January 2016, 07:45
Crazy thoughts but not unexpected ones going from Ian's car history.

If you can get a deal where you're paying less or even the same for a car with your coveted Pretorias then you'd be crazy not to. Now's the time to do these things while VW are on a downer before used prices crash.
Assuming they will crash.
Having seen a thread on hotukdeals where Focus STD's with autoboxes were being knocked out at 25% off I'd say that even with VW's woes they'll still hold a part ex price better than a Ford!

It costs nothing to ask; let's see what they throw back at you...
Your salesman must love you!

Yea as crazy or silly as it sounds that's exactly how I feel.
Asking a question costs nothing and I'm still very happy either way.

I'll have to ask a new salesman this time as my original guy hoofed it to Audi (thanks to me :embarrassed:)

They shouldn't complain as I've bought 4 cars from them in 2 years :wink:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: carl1 on 08 January 2016, 09:57
You haven't even had the car 90 days to qualify for the £1k loyalty discount and you can't get more loyal than you've been lol, but i'm sure you could sort it out for you.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: p3asa on 08 January 2016, 13:19
Crazy thoughts right enough  :laugh:
You'll probably find you can get a new car for £60 less a month but have to shell out £6000 to do so.
Its a bit like cutting your nose off to spite your face  :grin:
Don't let your heart rule your head. You've already got what you want.
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: kalimon on 08 January 2016, 14:20
The way these lease deals have made fools out of usually sane men is incredible!
To want to change a 2 month old car that you claim to be happy with, for the same car but slightly newer, is bewildering.
No amount of discussion will change that basic fact.
Enjoy your car and get a Mk 8 R in due time.
That's the only sensible solution. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Exonian on 08 January 2016, 14:56
The way these lease deals have made fools out of usually sane men is incredible!
To want to change a 2 month old car that you claim to be happy with, for the same car but slightly newer, is bewildering.
No amount of discussion will change that basic fact.
Enjoy your car and get a Mk 8 R in due time.
That's the only sensible solution. :rolleyes:
Crazy thoughts right enough  :laugh:
You'll probably find you can get a new car for £60 less a month but have to shell out £6000 to do so.
Its a bit like cutting your nose off to spite your face  :grin:
Don't let your heart rule your head. You've already got what you want.

Sense doesn't come into it in this instance - here's a boy who's just bought two sets of wheels and tyres in a couple weeks on top of a new car purchase.
He has money to burn and passion to fuel!!!  :whistle:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: kalimon on 08 January 2016, 15:13
If the OP really does have money to burn, what is he doing buying a VW ?
They really are great  cars, but the R isn't so wonderful that it can't be significantly bettered by many other cars from other Marque's.
It's like saying I could afford an Audi R8 but choose to own an R instead because it's better.
Each to their own I suppose.
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Exonian on 08 January 2016, 15:29
If the OP really does have money to burn, what is he doing buying a VW ?
They really are great  cars, but the R isn't so wonderful that it can't be significantly bettered by many other cars from other Marque's.
It's like saying I could afford an Audi R8 but choose to own an R instead because it's better.
Each to their own I suppose.

As per normal I was being tongue in cheek.

However there are different levels of "money to burn" and when you're younger and looking towards a life of debt you probably look more towards affordable monthlies than the actual headline figures involved. Affordability.
And we know young Ian wants a set of Pretorias and possibly a slightly different spec to what he has so if he can juggle the figures to his "benefit" (affordability) to get what he wants (this month) then now, while VW sit scratching their heads on how to get out of their predicament and the new vs. used prices are completely skewed by financial incentives to pacify the unions and keep the factories chugging out new metal we are possibly presented with a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Then again I could just be talking sh1te as usual...
 :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: kalimon on 08 January 2016, 15:46
No you're not talking sh!te at all.
It's just that I'm 52 and save up and pay cash for everything, so it's a head scratcher for me.
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: p3asa on 08 January 2016, 15:56
Its madness though as it would be a false economy. If it was say £6000 up front for a saving of £60 a month he would be much better putting that money aside and using it to bring his monthly's down

It would be different if it was for a different model or some other spec but to change from an R to an R just because the deals are cheaper is mental  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Cossieian on 08 January 2016, 16:29
Guys, so I dropped car off this morning and salesman I was meant to see wasn't there, guess he took the easy route and made a B-line for the nearest toilet when he seen me coming.
Anyway all other salesmen were busy so I just left.
Think I was being a bit crazy and ambitious so gonna leave it and not bother anyone in this instance ha ha ha.

PS regarding me having money to burn.....erm certainly not, I wish lol
My wife and I thought about moving house a few times but we are in our own house 11 years and we would rather pay a small mortgage and enjoy life than sink all our money into houses, so instead I buy cars and she buys handbags, ie we save a bit each month and spend the rest and enjoy life, no credit cards, no loans etc it works for us and we're happy :grin:

PS thanks for the advice etc
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Booth11 on 08 January 2016, 17:46
I suspect some of Ian's "crazy thoughts" are driven by the issues he's experiencing with his R, and his unending desire for a set of Prets, which I can sort of understand.  Still was a crazy thought though, lol.  Probably cheaper to buy a set of Prets (even via the dealer) than swap cars.
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Cossieian on 08 January 2016, 18:16
I suspect some of Ian's "crazy thoughts" are driven by the issues he's experiencing with his R, and his unending desire for a set of Prets, which I can sort of understand.  Still was a crazy thought though, lol.  Probably cheaper to buy a set of Prets (even via the dealer) than swap cars.

Tbh Becs the issues had nothing to do with my thoughts as I had always thought they would be sorted with no issues, how wrong was I, so disappointed right now :sad:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Booth11 on 08 January 2016, 19:10
I suspect some of Ian's "crazy thoughts" are driven by the issues he's experiencing with his R, and his unending desire for a set of Prets, which I can sort of understand.  Still was a crazy thought though, lol.  Probably cheaper to buy a set of Prets (even via the dealer) than swap cars.

Tbh Becs the issues had nothing to do with my thoughts as I had always thought they would be sorted with no issues, how wrong was I, so disappointed right now :sad:

I feel for you Ian, I really do.  Don't give up, be persistent, be a nuisance if that what it takes. Hopefully the dealer might have a different take on it if the comparison R's prove to be free of these noises and issues.  See what transpires from that.  Keep your chin up Ian. :smiley:
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: kalimon on 08 January 2016, 19:20
Guys, so I dropped car off this morning and salesman I was meant to see wasn't there, guess he took the easy route and made a B-line for the nearest toilet when he seen me coming.
Anyway all other salesmen were busy so I just left.
Think I was being a bit crazy and ambitious so gonna leave it and not bother anyone in this instance ha ha ha.

PS regarding me having money to burn.....erm certainly not, I wish lol
My wife and I thought about moving house a few times but we are in our own house 11 years and we would rather pay a small mortgage and enjoy life than sink all our money into houses, so instead I buy cars and she buys handbags, ie we save a bit each month and spend the rest and enjoy life, no credit cards, no loans etc it works for us and we're happy :grin:

PS thanks for the advice etc
While we're at it, what is it with women and handbags ?
Granted they are cheaper to buy than cars :smiley:
If it works for you and you are happy and debt free, fair play and good luck to you.
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Booth11 on 08 January 2016, 19:23
While we're at it, what is it with women and handbags ?
Granted they are cheaper to buy than cars :smiley:

Handbags are to some women, what cars are to some men.

There are exceptions though.
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Exonian on 08 January 2016, 19:43
Despite the craziness (which we'd pretty much expect on here anyway) this is quite an interesting thread.

Everyone has different circumstances and like any hobby it can get a bit out of hand and become a bit of an obsession. I've had way too many cars in my life over the years and like Ian I went through a stage with my first mk6 of buying a pretty standard one and then adding retrofits as it was pretty easy and gave me a challenge and a bit of a project. I'd always had a bit of an alloy wheel obsession anyway and went through no less than seven sets on that car! Some of them were bought but never fitted. To an outsider that sounds like a) a massive expense and b) just plain crazy. But actually from my standpoint it cost money yes, however none of the parts were bought new and each time I bought something I sold something so costs were quite well balanced. Allowing for the fact that tyres wear out in use anyway and each purchase was carefully made only at the right price so the 'old' parts could be sold on for a decent price too the costs weren't horrendous by any means. The time invested was significant I guess but that's irrelevant as it was good fun and I learnt lots. And I didn't have to buy a new set of tyres for any of my cars for years and years!!!

Steve (p3ssa) mentions £6k as a ball park figure but with the current chaos it would actually be quite interesting how the figures would actually pan out right now as I think the current situation where the cars still have a pretty decent used value on paper versus the new car incentives VW are offering might make a surprising 'once in a lifetime' chance for a few lucky owners.
This situation will be very short lived while the market settles down and once VW find a direction past the current almost (stage managed) panic.

Early on in the thread Watts had a good point which is one I always stick to once I've bought a car - STOP LOOKING!
I generally have at least a six month blinkered period before I even look at the market again when I've made a car purchase. Once the six months are up I tend to start planning the next move for a year or two down the line.
My R was a bit of an 'accidental' purchase that wasn't planned and I broke a few personal rules with it but I have (so far) no regrets and love driving the thing. I'm pretty sure it'll be the last time I buy a car of this type so I'll make the most of owning it which is something I've regrettably not done with a few of my cars.
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: Exonian on 08 January 2016, 19:45
I suspect some of Ian's "crazy thoughts" are driven by the issues he's experiencing with his R, and his unending desire for a set of Prets, which I can sort of understand.  Still was a crazy thought though, lol.  Probably cheaper to buy a set of Prets (even via the dealer) than swap cars.

Tbh Becs the issues had nothing to do with my thoughts as I had always thought they would be sorted with no issues, how wrong was I, so disappointed right now :sad:



I feel for you Ian, I really do.  Don't give up, be persistent, be a nuisance if that what it takes. Hopefully the dealer might have a different take on it if the comparison R's prove to be free of these noises and issues.  See what transpires from that.  Keep your chin up Ian. :smiley:
Well said.
:afro:

Seconded.
Title: Re: Crazy Thoughts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 09 January 2016, 11:43
I suspect some of Ian's "crazy thoughts" are driven by the issues he's experiencing with his R, and his unending desire for a set of Prets, which I can sort of understand.  Still was a crazy thought though, lol.  Probably cheaper to buy a set of Prets (even via the dealer) than swap cars.

Tbh Becs the issues had nothing to do with my thoughts as I had always thought they would be sorted with no issues, how wrong was I, so disappointed right now :sad:

How about buying a brand new set of Prets from Kunzmann.de for E2799 (£2104)? To chop your R in now (if you can get ordered soon enough to get your incentives), you might get £2250 incentives to offset your losses, but the first depreciation is the biggest, you will almost certainly lose £6k so the dealer can sell it for a little less than a new one with enough margin (likely £4k) to make it worth their while, so will have to find almost £4k (or £111pm on PCP).

You can either sell your Cadiz to offset your losses (likely to get £900-1000 for an almost new set with no damage), or keep them to sell the Prets again later when you get shot of the R.