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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: domrees on 15 May 2015, 17:04
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Hey all
Long time I've been on here.... :rolleyes:
I'm in the process of selling my 3dr GTI. Been great but I've done 25k in it now and I fancy a change.
I'm being told that as a 3 door manual in white with cloth, it's the worst possible spec. Sounds like salesman flannel to me but I thought I'd ask the experts....
Should I lower my expectations in terms of value?
cheers
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So far I've been bid £16k - it's a Nov 13 63 plate - done 25k miles so nicely run in ;-)
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PM me the reg if you like and I'll run a valuation later when I can get on the Mac at home.
Nearly all GTI's are white and many are three doors so probably the sales guys just have too many to choose from. On the flip side they look the best so lots of them get ordered!
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The salesman is being a salesman of the worst type. Possibly wants it cheap off you and even more probably he already has a buyer and is after a quick tidy profit. Or give the devil his due, he might be correct with these facts.
But also always remember there is always someone who will like and want your spec of car.
Truth be told, that if I was looking for a GTI or any other hatchback, I personally would not select a white car, a manual, a 3 door. Apologies to Andy.
ETTO.
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Cool thanks will do.
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Trying to sell my White 3 door GTD ATM also, it's a nightmare, people call you up and say well I really wanted a Grey car with 5 doors so I'll give you £18k, if you really wanted a Grey 5 door why you phoning about a white 3 door :laugh:
No matter what people just try and put your car down, pisses me off :sad:
Just this week I was chatting backwards and forwards to a potential buyer, same old story " I've cash and am a 100% genuine buyer", anyway we were back and fourth with price, eventually I said ok you can have it for what you offered, that was 4 days ago and haven't heard back since :sad: I mean why even waste your own time let alone mine
For me if I like something, I buy it, no mucking about, selling cars these days is a bloody nightmare :angry:
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The salesman is being a salesman of the worst type. Possibly wants it cheap off you and even more probably he already has a buyer and is after a quick tidy profit. Or give the devil his due, he might be correct with these facts.
But also always remember there is always someone who will like and want your spec of car.
Truth be told, that if I was looking for a GTI or any other hatchback, I personally would not select a white car, a manual, a 3 door. Apologies to Andy.
ETTO.
That's probably because you're not in the market for a white 3 door Golf GTI Asker!
But if you look around, 95% of sporty Golfs are 5 door GTD's in various colours, 4% are leased R's and a few fractions of a % are either white GTI's, bought R's in white or blue or a very occasional 3 door GTD which tend to be running Santiagos.
3 door manual GTI's are a purists choice, the closest to the original ethos. Most people aren't GTI purists so would order something else.
If you're buying second hand then you have only the choice of what's offered and if you have a brain in your head you buy on condition, everything else comes a poor second.
Edit: The 25000 mileage will be the stumbling block when there are loads of 'direct from VW' examples with minimal mileage.
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You will always get the tyre kickers and time wasters when selling privately. In terms of selling to the dealer - they want to make some money on it so will only be offering 80-85% of what they can achieve on the forecourt: £16k sold to the garage means a bottom sticker price of £19k - I think they're being a bit greedy - no way your car would be up for £19k, £20.5k is more like it.
Sell to a dealer and I think you could expect £17k, sell privately and you're talking £19k - you need to be significantlycheaper than the dealership otherwise the potential buyer will just buy from the dealership.
To put it in perspective, I was offered £18500 p/x for my Sept 63 plate GTD, 5 doors, manual, no extras and Tornado Red, for an expected delivery of my R of March ( :grin: :grin: :grin:). Your GTI might be Nov registered, but to most, a 63 plate is a 63 plate. At best, the fact your car is 3 months younger than a Sept plate is equalled out by your slightly higher than average mileage (My p/x to yours comparison: £18500=£18500). Your GTI has a slightly lower residual than the GTD (£18500>£18000), and a 5 door car is worth £600 more than a 3 door Golf (£18000>£17400). Add in the fact that we're 2 months past March and your car is depreciating £250 a month right now and we're at about £17k trade-in/sale to dealer.
White is by far the most common colour (TR is probably a not so close second, followed by DBP), but most people buying a Golf want 5 doors. Leather/cloth is neither here nor there - no-one expects leather on a Golf, it adds about £300 to your p/x value.
If you can handle the hassle, i'd sell privately and pocket the difference. Tell all potential customers that they need to arrange insurance to get a test drive (that should weed out the time-wasting 17 year old thrill seekers),and to justify your price, have a few examples of current used stock at VW dealerships to demonstrate the private sale savings to be had.
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The salesman is right in that it's just standard spec so not the most valuable. However on the flip side you've lost less cash in depreciation than someone who bought a 5dr DSG with a stack of options!
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That's probably because you're not in the market for a white 3 door Golf GTI Asker!
And I hope I never will be.
A VW Golf (or any VW) is white goods. A white VW Golf is white-white white goods. No thanks. :evil:
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That's probably because you're not in the market for a white 3 door Golf GTI Asker!
And I hope I never will be.
A VW Golf (or any VW) is white goods. A white VW Golf is white-white white goods. No thanks. :evil:
Fancy a white BMW? See a few white 1 Series at my work and they just don't look right to me. The colour seems to emphasise the panel gaps more than on a Golf and makes them look like an airfix/kit car.
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That's probably because you're not in the market for a white 3 door Golf GTI Asker!
And I hope I never will be.
A VW Golf (or any VW) is white goods. A white VW Golf is white-white white goods. No thanks. :evil:
Fancy a white BMW? See a few white 1 Series at my work and they just don't look right to me. The colour seems to emphasise the panel gaps more than on a Golf and makes them look like an airfix/kit car.
I agree that, in general, white cars emphasise panel gaps more than other coloured ones. Black seems to hide this quite well.
And no, I don't fancy a 1 Series especially one in white. Do you? You seem to exhibit an unhealthy fascination for this particular marque. :kiss:
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White gtd's and gti's just look the best on the mk 7 shape. Why else would all the vw promotionals be using white and not red or black.
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White gtd's and gti's just look the best on the mk 7 shape. Why else would all the vw promotionals be using white and not red or black.
A tad biased perhaps? :laugh:
Agree mk7 GTI does look great in white (not sure about it being the best colour though :wink:).
I really wanted to like the GTI in black but for me it doesn't quite work with the red stripe through the headlights. I do like the R in black though. I think the grill/headlight stripe colour can either make or break the bodywork colour.
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Nothing biased Rebecca I actually love the carbon grey but the contrast of the black trim on the white just looks the best. It's lost with black and dark colours and I hate red, it's just one of those things. I'm sure other cars have a one particular colour that suits them best.
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I have a white three door gti and in my eyes I like the contrast with the black trim. All gets a lost a bit with the darker colours..... However that is my opinion and how I see it , others see things different .... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder .. To sum up we are all right and no one is wrong .
If the salesman had inferred I had made the wrong choice he would not get my business ... Drive the deal anyone 👍😄
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Is there a way to get a realistic value from a dealer to sell to them?
What's the bidding bit about?
Have a 5 door CSG GTD I'm thinking of changing for something different.
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Not sure where you're based, but perhaps give http://www.gtiworld.co.uk or https://www.facebook.com/gtiworld?fref=ts a call in Edinburgh - they seem to shift a lot of GTI/GTD/R models, etc - still part of a big chain of dealers though
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White gtd's and gti's just look the best on the mk 7 shape. Why else would all the vw promotionals be using white and not red or black.
If you like driving a fridge, then it is perfect for you. :evil:
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Still better than red though :whistle:
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Obvious, but get valuations from CAP, Parkers and WBAC, for trade-in (good and poor condition) and private valuation, before you start talking to a dealer. Valuations often differ between these sites but take the average of them and it'll give a good idea of what to pitch for. Also see what similar specs cars are going for on the used market and using MH's dealer % work back to get a reasonable trade-in figure. If buying then new car discount will have a bearing on what you will get offered as p/x.
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If you like driving a fridge, then it is perfect for you. :evil:
Still better than red though :whistle:
No fisticuffs lads :grin:
I'll whisper it....
I don't like red either
I always think it looks fantastic when properly detailed but I've never, ever wanted a red car.
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That's nothing to be ashamed about...no one is perfect :grin:
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I don't like red either.
I always think it looks fantastic when properly detailed but I've never, ever wanted a red car.
I far prefer a white Golf to a metallic black one.
I love metallic black cars but only if they have sufficient 'chrome brightwork' which can be in silver or shiny black especially around the window areas. The Golf lacks this and any colour darker than Carbon Grey looks a bit 'wrong' on it.
ETTO.
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I far prefer a white Golf to a metallic black one.
I love metallic black cars but only if they have sufficient 'chrome brightwork' which can be in silver or shiny black especially around the window areas. The Golf lacks this and any colour darker than Carbon Grey looks a bit 'wrong' on it.
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So you admit you like a white golf then :tongue:
It's the opposite for me. I dislike too much chrome trim and especially hate it around windows, which puts me off some Audis. The R just about gets away with it with the brushed silver, but any more and it would have crossed the line. As it is I may have to swap out the wing mirror covers for gloss black. Shiny black trim is good though and I wish Golfs had this in place of the greyish black window rubbers.
As you say ETTO.
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I far prefer a white Golf to a metallic black one.
I love metallic black cars but only if they have sufficient 'chrome brightwork' which can be in silver or shiny black especially around the window areas. The Golf lacks this and any colour darker than Carbon Grey looks a bit 'wrong' on it.
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So you admit you like a white golf then :tongue:
It's the opposite for me. I dislike too much chrome trim and especially hate it around windows, which puts me off some Audis. The R just about gets away with it with the brushed silver, but any more and it would have crossed the line. As it is I may have to swap out the wing mirror covers for gloss black. Shiny black trim is good though and I wish Golfs had this in place of the greyish black window rubbers.
As you say ETTO.
I said I 'prefer' it, which is different from 'liking' it.
Yes, black chrome (shiny black trim) would have been excellent. They have this on BMW M Sport and M cars.
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Is there a way to get a realistic value from a dealer to sell to them?
What's the bidding bit about?
Have a 5 door CSG GTD I'm thinking of changing for something different.
Try and find an example used same spec as yours, similar mileages at 3 different VW dealerships and average the price. They will want to make at minimum £3k on yours (probably £4k) - that is what you'll be offered to sell back to them, maybe expect £3k/£3.5k less than their sticker price in a p/x and £2k less than their sticker price for a private sale.
Sometimes you will get multiple dealerships bidding for your car, giving you a price - go with the best one.
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Yes, black chrome (shiny black trim) would have been excellent. They have this on BMW M Sport and M cars.
Yes the shiny black looks very good, and if I didn't have a pathological hatred of BMWs (don't ask), I might be tempted.
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Yes, black chrome (shiny black trim) would have been excellent. They have this on BMW M Sport and M cars.
Yes the shiny black looks very good, and if I didn't have a pathological hatred of BMWs (don't ask), I might be tempted.
Darling, sweet, Rebecca.
This was pretty obvious from day one when we met under the arches! I must admit that experience was quite chilling. But help is at hand.
Pathological hatred is a mental disorder which many people suffer with. Hitler was a prime example. I can assure you here and now you are not totally or criminally insane yet, but are well on the torturous path of becoming so. Would you like to see my other half who is a Consultant Psychiatrist? Mates rates will apply.
Looking forward to your response.
Best wishes,
Asker
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Darling, sweet, Rebecca.
This was pretty obvious from day one when we met under the arches! I must admit that experience was quite chilling. But help is at hand.
Pathological hatred is a mental disorder which many people suffer with. Hitler was a prime example. I can assure you here and now you are not totally or criminally insane yet, but are well on the torturous path of becoming so. Would you like to see my other half who is a Consultant Psychiatrist? Mates rates will apply.
Looking forward to your response.
Best wishes,
Asker
Dearest Asker
Thank you for your unsolicited professional assessment of current mental state :kiss: Born of a Jewish mother, I am slightly dismayed at being lumped into the same category as Hitler - thanks :grin:
My hatred of BMWs, irrational as it is, is the result of a traumatic period experienced in a previous work incarnation. Said trauma involved harassment from a group of 'clients' I shall politely describe as a nano step away from the fully fledged crooks of the East End, and whose motor of choice was an ever changing variety of shiny Bimmers. It's been a few years now, but on a biannual basis I get a LinkedIn request from one of these delightful people lest I forget.
As much as I appreciate the kind offer of personally recommended and generously discounted psychiatric treatment, I will decline, suffer in silence, and continue to shudder when I see the blue and white roundel (dis)appearing in my rear view mirror :evil:
Your darling, sweet Rebecca
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Used car sales are the worst they have been for along time..... This is mainly due to most dealer groups offering attractive discounts on new cars as the new car targets increase year after year.
That means getting 10% discount on a new car is pretty much the norm now. The impact that has is used examples have to be thousands upon thousands cheaper than new cars. Andy is right a 3 door manual is the purest form however its not the easiest to resell. 90 % of people buy a GTI now because its a practical hot hatch, being a 3 door you loose the practical element for a lot of prospective buyers.
If you have a 3 door manual to make it desirable it must have things that people want such as performance pack, Sat nav etc.
The best thing to do is call a few dealers within a reasonable distance of you and give them the details rest assured if they have a buyer for it they will be straight on the phone.
Lee
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Darling, sweet, Rebecca.
This was pretty obvious from day one when we met under the arches! I must admit that experience was quite chilling. But help is at hand.
Pathological hatred is a mental disorder which many people suffer with. Hitler was a prime example. I can assure you here and now you are not totally or criminally insane yet, but are well on the torturous path of becoming so. Would you like to see my other half who is a Consultant Psychiatrist? Mates rates will apply.
Looking forward to your response.
Best wishes,
Asker
Dearest Asker
Thank you for your unsolicited professional assessment of current mental state :kiss: Born of a Jewish mother, I am slightly dismayed at being lumped into the same category as Hitler - thanks :grin:
My hatred of BMWs, irrational as it is, is the result of a traumatic period experienced in a previous work incarnation. Said trauma involved harassment from a group of 'clients' I shall politely describe as a nano step away from the fully fledged crooks of the East End, and whose motor of choice was an ever changing variety of shiny Bimmers. It's been a few years now, but on a biannual basis I get a LinkedIn request from one of these delightful people lest I forget.
As much as I appreciate the kind offer of personally recommended and generously discounted psychiatric treatment, I will decline, suffer in silence, and continue to shudder when I see the blue and white roundel appearing in my rear view mirror :evil:
Your darling, sweet Rebecca
Dearest darling, sweet Rebecca,
I did not realise you also belonged to THE faith. I am so sorry to mention that fatherless son's name.
We really should try and avoid buying cars made by his decedents.
With a name like Rebecca I should have guessed. How very remiss of me.
Whenever you need our assistance, day or night, rain or shine, winter or summer, we will be there for you. And, there will be no charge.
Much love,
Asker
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Dearest darling, sweet Rebecca,
I did not realise you also belonged to THE faith. I am so sorry to mention that fatherless son's name.
We really should try and avoid buying cars made by his decedents.
With a name like Rebecca I should have guessed. How very remiss of me.
Whenever you need our assistance, day or night, rain or shine, winter or summer, there will be no charge.
Much love,
Asker
My dearest Asker
Ah, a kindred spirit then? :smiley: I however am impure, a religious mongrel, having a Catholic father. But I do get the double whammy - persecution AND guilt :grin:
Yes, why are we buying German cars? Do we value design and quality over all else?
Thank you for your lovely heartfelt words.
I fear we may get reprimanded soon for going some way off topic :rolleyes:
Rebecca
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Anyway....back to the topic...
I'm being told that as a 3 door manual in white with cloth, it's the worst possible spec.
Well it hasn't got the extra cost items like 5 doors, DSG or leather.
I suppose if you measure the value above a base price for make, model, year and mileage then without those things its obviously worth less than one with all of those things. Its definitely not unsalable - its quite a common spec for everyone here!
With it still being quite a new model and still highly desirable, I'd have thought a lower spec would have made it more attractive actually - and anyhow you have a couple of bells and whistles anyway.
Does sound like he's taking the pee though, I'd have thought you should expect a bit more for it from a dealer. Is that PX or cash sale?
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Saw a 5 door Carbon Grey GTD today on Nogaro 18" wheels. Best Golf colour and best wheels. Looked really superb.
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Anyway....back to the topic...
I'm being told that as a 3 door manual in white with cloth, it's the worst possible spec.
Well it hasn't got the extra cost items like 5 doors, DSG or leather.
I suppose if you measure the value above a base price for make, model, year and mileage then without those things its obviously worth less than one with all of those things. Its definitely not unsalable - its quite a common spec for everyone here!
With it still being quite a new model and still highly desirable, I'd have thought a lower spec would have made it more attractive actually - and anyhow you have a couple of bells and whistles anyway.
Does sound like he's taking the pee though, I'd have thought you should expect a bit more for it from a dealer. Is that PX or cash sale?
To put a value on 5 doors, DSG and leather - they enhance used p/x values (between 2 and 3 years old) by around £600, £500 and £300 respectively. When you go PCP, 3 doors and 5 doors are about the same monthly cost as you see pretty much all of the money back spent on 5 doors when it is time to trade or sell. You just need to look at the VW finance examples and the GFV is £600 more for 5 doors. Go down a size or 2 (UP, Polo) and you don't see as much, but on a car the size of a Golf, many potential buyers would consider 5 doors essential.
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It's good to see Lee's take on it as someone who spend years dealing with actual customers coming through the door.
And for anyone buying I'd always say give Lee a shout as he's a the opposite of the salesman in the Golf Ball Steering Wheel thread!
As per Lee's post really, you can get really good deals on new cars nowadays as the manufacturers want to shift metal and they've seen the trend in how people buy things like mobile phones and other lifestyle products so make it easy (if not exactly cheap) to purchase high value items (cars) with minimal up front cost.
When you look at the fact you can get say 11% off an R (real life figure I've been given myself in the last week), or possibly a fair bit higher off a GTI with the £1250 discount added to the initial discount. Also VW do around 6.5% on finance for a new car against something like 10.9% interest I saw quoted on VW's used website recently it means that despite your newish car still having load of warranty left it HAS to be significantly cheaper than a new model for anyone to even consider test driving it, never mind actually buying it. Also factor in that VW supply dealers with their own pre registered low mileage cars they give to staff to run around in which mean that a sub 2 year old GTI has competition from all angles.
As for the fact of it being white and three doors - well people that buy hot hatches will order three door hatches quite happily, and just look at the smaller hot hatches such as Peugeot's 208 GTI or the Fiesta ST which have stayed true to the original ethos of lightest weight, stiffest body shell and powerful engine; but when you get up to Golf size then people tend to be a bit more discerning and 5 doors are far more common.
If you look on the mk5 GTI forums you'll see a much younger demography of buyer who will seek out the 3 door cars more as they appear more 'sporty' and fit their 'image' more, but these are older cars and I think younger people are now looking at the ease of getting newish cars on PCP's or loans now too. I'm not a highly paid statistician, but I can see buying habits changing a hell of a lot since I was younger when only kids with rich parents had newish cars. Youngsters will see the new numberplate and the latest gadgets and, I think, just as importantly they may have been stung by big repair bills on their older cars too as modern cars are full of things that are incredibly expensive to fix and ever more complex.
So the trick for the manufacturers now isn't the actual up front ££££ but more the affordability of their products to keep them turning over. I highly doubt VW make a heap on used car sales per se but they will always been keen to keep the newer models within the dealership umbrella as it's the finance side where the money is made (plus all the crappy add ons).
So, white 3 door GTI's are great for youngsters and old farts like me trying to recapture their youth after years of buying 5 door hatches because we 'had to' but don't appeal to as many people as safe and steady silver/grey 5 door cars.
Sorry white 3 door haters, but I get loads of random compliments on my white 3 door GTI from people I've never met, but invariably these people have much more staid transport of their own. They might like my shiny white GTI, and say they'd love to own one - but alas when it comes to shelling out their own money, they don't buy one...