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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: am1w on 18 April 2015, 19:00
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5* Review in Auto Express:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/91187/volkswagen-golf-r-estate-2015-review?_mout=1&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter
They say:
It fits the bill as the only car you’d ever need but, more importantly, in the real world it’s good enough to be the only car you’d ever want.
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Great review, but the R Estate is not the only car I'd ever want. Not for me.
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Great review, but the R Estate is not the only car I'd ever want. Not for me.
I am in total agreement with you. It just looks so wrong with that elongated rear.
It's a very fast hearse and will get the stiff to the crematorium on time.
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It's the only car you'll ever need or want if you have a huge dog and a penchant for fast medium sized petrol cars.
A bit harsh maybe and I know what they're getting at.
A Golf Alltrack looks more stylish and a GTD estate makes more financial sense if looking at the projected retained values are to be believed.
But it's a niche model and a very good one by the looks of it!
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But it's a niche model and a very good one by the looks of it!
It is an abomination and thankfully it is a niche model.
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But it's a niche model and a very good one by the looks of it!
It is an abomination and thankfully it is a niche model.
Admit it Asker, you're trying to suppress a secret desire for one...
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Great review, but the R Estate is not the only car I'd ever want. Not for me.
I am in total agreement with you. It just looks so wrong with that elongated rear.
It's a very fast hearse and will get the stiff to the crematorium on time.
Having shuffled off this mortal coil, I don't think the stiff gives a stuff about getting to the crematorium on time :laugh:
Admit it Asker, you're trying to suppress a secret desire for one...
:laugh: :kiss:
He protesteth too much :grin:
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It's all the car you will ever need if you have took leave of your senses especially if the predicted residuals are true....Sorry, but it's a no from me :sick: :sick: :sick:
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It's all the car you will ever need if you have took leave of your senses especially if the predicted residuals are true....Sorry, but it's a no from me :sick: :sick: :sick:
Hmmm, I wonder what you were watching when you typed that!!!
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It's all the car you will ever need if you have took leave of your senses especially if the predicted residuals are true....Sorry, but it's a no from me :sick: :sick: :sick:
Hmmm, I wonder what you were watching when you typed that!!!
Don't know what you mean !! :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
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Thing is, you're all dismissing it on looks, which as you know are purely subjective (and if we're honest a judgement should only really be made on this aspect once you've seen it in the flesh).
Every car is a compromise, in one way or another. I currently have a MK7 GTD which is great, but I do miss the GTI I had previously and would like something a bit faster. As a Golf fan an R is the logical next step, but I've got two growing children who want to take bikes and scooters to the park. Going away for a long weekend is beginning to be a struggle, and that's before you factor in the smaller boot of the R hatch. Upshot is that I need a bigger car! Step forward the R estate, everything an R is... but more.
It may be niche, but in reality it offers more answers than the hatch. I think it may be very popular.
I'd add that a guy at work has recently took delivery of a fully spec'd up midnight blue Golf GT estate and it actually looks superb.
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Andrew you've hit the nail on head. If you are in the market for an estate car then this will be what you are looking at song with the Leon St cupra and Octavia vrs. All the people on here saying it's not for me that's fine but a hatchback r certainly isn't for me. The boot is too small which is why probably people wanting a bigger boot will buy this. The R owners on here are starting to turn into those clowns on the other forum and looking down at everyone else through rose or lapiz blue tinted glasses :grin:
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For an estate, this thing is awesome. I personally don't like estates, never had need for a boot that big really. Would be interesting to see one in the flesh. Anyway ordered one yet?
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The R owners on here are starting to turn into those clowns on the other forum and looking down at everyone else through rose or lapiz blue tinted glasses :grin:
Can't speak for others but I certainly don't look down on anyone's choice of car or see the R as the be all and end all of hatches, it's a Golf. The GTI/D/R are all good cars for what they are, and early days, but the estate looks like it's shaping up to be a winner for some. People ask for opinions on forums, and get them, but hopefully most have own minds and come to a decision based upon their circumstances and need.
The R Estate is not for me because I don't need or want an estate, it's nothing to do with the looks of the car. An R hatch fulfils all my needs which is why I chose it. I personally do not like the looks of the estate but I suspect it's looks much better in the flesh, but I can see the attraction for others.
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Rebecca I couldn't get back online to edit my original post and say not all r owners but some. At least that's what it's coming across as although it was the same from some gti owners who were up in arms about the gtd being exactly like the gti. You're right in that all the variants gtd/i and r are very good cars and the addition of the estate variants gives VW a wider owner base.
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Rebecca I couldn't get back online to edit my original post and say not all r owners but some. At least that's what it's coming across as although it was the same from some gti owners who were up in arms about the gtd being exactly like the gti. You're right in that all the variants gtd/i and r are very good cars and the addition of the estate variants gives VW a wider owner base.
No worries mcmaddy, I do know where you're coming from and I remember all that GTI v GTD snobbery crap and hope we don't get that from R owners. As for the other forum, as an R specific site, it lacks the diversity that this place offers, which, for the most part, gives a bit of much needed perspective.
It's all too easy on forums to start coming across as a bit of a t**t and this is largely why I haven't bothered registering on the other forum. I'm not sure I agree with your description of them as clowns though, on the contrary some of them are so far up their own a***s, it's a miracle they've not yet located their sense of humour :wink:
Anyway, who's going to buy an R Estate? Anyone?
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I'll whisper it quietly Funnily enough it was certain ones who were snobby about GTI's being better then GTD's that have since defected to another kind of Golf that I won't mention right now and some of those have indeed been spotted on 'another forum'
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It's not for me as I can't drive properly but the R Sportwagen offers an awful lot. I can see it being popular with people that own wellies.
It's a shame it's not as stylish as the Alltrack. The Alltrack actually does appeal to me.
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The irony is that in 2015 it is easier to find a high performance estate car than it is to find a warm/hot hatchback.
If I'd wanted an estate then BMW, Merc, Audi, Lexus and many others make V8 supercharged supertankers.
But ask for something like a 5 door warm hatch (not built by a French communist) and the choices are rather more limited.
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I'll whisper it quietly Funnily enough it was certain ones who were snobby about GTI's being better then GTD's that have since defected to another kind of Golf that I won't mention right now and some of those have indeed been spotted on 'another forum'.
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It's not for me as I can't drive properly but the R Sportwagen offers an awful lot. I can see it being popular with people that own wellies.
It's a shame it's not as stylish as the Alltrack. The Alltrack actually does appeal to me.
Andy, was it not you who said those unkind words about the GTD many moons ago? :tongue:
Anyway, the R Estate is certainly not stylish. In fact, its proportions are decidedly out of kilt. If one wants a decent looking estate and not a half-way-house like the Golf estate, then why not go the whole hog and get one from BMW, Mercedes or Audi, who do it so much better.
ETTO.
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:grin: :grin: I hope not Asker as Ive always been a massive GTD fan, I much preferred the GTD mk6 to the GTI and as far as mk7's go it's neck and neck for me.
Mind you I can be unkind about most things on my day! :whistle: :tongue: :kiss: :kiss:
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:grin: :grin: I hope not Asker as Ive always been a massive GTD fan, I much preferred the GTD mk6 to the GTI and as far as mk7's go it's neck and neck for me.
Mind you I can be unkind about most things on my day! :whistle: :tongue: :kiss: :kiss:
I love the torque with Diesels and that you don't have to visit a filling station too often. Just the Diesel clatter at idle is a bit annoying though Porsche Diesels are pretty quiet in this respect. My BMW was not too bad either.
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With stop start you don't get any Diesel clatter :grin:
I just passed two R's and both drivers blanked me :tongue: miserable lot.
Oh and so did the GTI driver going past too :rolleyes:
I'd expect it from GTD company car drivers :lipsrsealed:
I bet scirocco owners don't ignore each other....
http://www.sciroccocentral.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=19042
Me like!
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Anyway, the R Estate is certainly not stylish. In fact, its proportions are decidedly out of kilt. If one wants a decent looking estate and not a half-way-house like the Golf estate, then why not go the whole hog and get one from BMW, Mercedes or Audi, who do it so much better.
ETTO.
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You'll pay a hefty premium for those other marques for a start and I'm pretty certain they don't do an xdrive estate yet do they? Looks are subjective and I think the estate versions of the vag family (not Audi) look good proportion wise. At least it's not like the Honda accord hearse which looked absolutely terrible!
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http://www.sciroccocentral.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=19042
Me like!
Looks good in the pictures, but not sure if I'd like it in the flesh or not (nice seats and interior though) :undecided:
I've always loved the front and rear of the modern Scirocco but think it goes a bit awry when it comes to the sides, something about the design doesn't gel and flow with the rest of the car. No good for me as need 5 doors.
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Mr Maddy:
All Diesel BMW 3 Series hearses come with 4WD. Petrol ones don't.
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Is it the 5 series that doesn't? A friend has just bought a new bmw estate and he said he couldn't get it with xdrive.
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Is it the 5 series that doesn't? A friend has just bought a new bmw estate and he said he couldn't get it with xdrive.
Correct.
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Anyway, the R Estate is certainly not stylish.
Nor is the R hatch. The MK7 is a handsome looking car at best (in GTI/GTD guise), but I think it's far from what you'd call good looking or stylish. I certainly don't think the masses are fawning over them like some people here might like to believe. Don't get me wrong, I'm a massive Golf fan and am now on to my seventh, but I have (so far) bought them on the main selling point of any hatchback, and that's practicality.
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Anyway, the R Estate is certainly not stylish.
Nor is the R hatch. The MK7 is a handsome looking car at best (in GTI/GTD guise), but I think it's far from what you'd call good looking or stylish. I certainly don't think the masses are fawning over them like some people here might like to believe. Don't get me wrong, I'm a massive Golf fan and am now on to my seventh, but I have (so far) bought them on the main selling point of any hatchback, and that's practicality.
There are more stylish cars about, no doubt, but I think the Mk7 is handsome in hatch guise (not as much as the Mk6 though :wink:). Let's face it, there are some horror examples of mish-mash styling out there, Vauxhall amongst others. I like the evolutionary changes from one mark of Golf to another, and they still look good long after some of the more 'styled' hatches have dated.
I do think the proportions of R Estate look odd though, much in the same way in the cabrio GTI/R looks wrong, i.e, not designed as such from scratch.
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I think they would have been better making a Passat .:R Estate.
For those that remember the B6 Passat R36, it was a cracking car. It was also the correct size for an estate car.
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I think they would have been better making a Passat .:R Estate.
For those that remember the B6 Passat R36, it was a cracking car. It was also the correct size for an estate car.
If they did make one, would you be tempted?
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I think they would have been better making a Passat .:R Estate.
For those that remember the B6 Passat R36, it was a cracking car. It was also the correct size for an estate car.
If they did make one, would you be tempted?
I think the Bi-turbo R Line Passat is a far better and more apt use of engine and car combination than the R36.
It's a shame they didn't slot the 3.6 engine into the Golf as the R32 struggles to shift all that weight. A workmate of mine has an R32 and my GTI will show it a pair of heels with a fair bit less horsepower. I know the GTI is quoted at producing a fair bit more BHP than the factory let on but the R32 has technically 30bhp more (but less torque and you can really notice it in the mid range).
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I think they would have been better making a Passat .:R Estate.
For those that remember the B6 Passat R36, it was a cracking car. It was also the correct size for an estate car.
If they did make one, would you be tempted?
That's a tough one. I could never see myself without an estate car and a fast petrol one would be a lot of fun, but for everyday driving around, I much prefer a diesel.
My replacement for my current Passat will most likely be a B8 Passat Alltrack. Probably with the 150PS engine, as the 190 and 240PS ones with their fancy catalysts and the need for Ad-Blue could be troublesome.
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I think they would have been better making a Passat .:R Estate.
For those that remember the B6 Passat R36, it was a cracking car. It was also the correct size for an estate car.
Just shows how big Golfs are getting. The load capacity of the MK7 Golf estate is nearly 100 litres more than the B6 Passat, and the same as the B7 Passat.
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I love quick estate cars, and as someone who has hobbies that require a reasonable sized boot, and a baby on the way, the R estate (in principle) is right up my street. 4WD, DSG, 300bhp... Yeah I fancy that a lot!
I must admit however, that I'm not 100% sold on the looks and it boils down to something very picky... The rear lights. Why haven't they given it some lovely LED rear lights like those that distinguish the GTI/D/E and R Golf hatches from the others in the range?
I will still consider one in another 12-18 months time when my GTI is due for changing, but the favourite at the moment (I know it's in a slightly different price bracket) is a 335i M-Sport Touring. I know the 4-pot in the R is a mega engine, but if I'm paying upwards of £35k for a car I think I'd like a creamy 6-pot.
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Golf estates aren't that big stop mincing about and get a Passat Alltrack :laugh:
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Another decent review from EVO - http://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-r-estate
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If you want a really powerful wardrobe, why not have a look at:
http://www.evo.co.uk/audi/rs3
But to be fair, I'd be looking at a BMW if I wanted a fast estate.
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Golf estates aren't that big stop mincing about and get a Passat Alltrack :laugh:
Mincing about?? Feeling über manly in your Alltrack charlie :grin:
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Golf estates aren't that big stop mincing about and get a Passat Alltrack :laugh:
Mincing about?? Feeling über manly in your Alltrack charlie :grin:
You got it Booth as he types in a manly manner :laugh:
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Be gentle with that keyboard/pad now :laugh: :kiss:
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Be gentle with that keyboard/pad now :laugh: :kiss:
One finger smashing :cool:
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Be gentle with that keyboard/pad now :laugh: :kiss:
One finger smashing :cool:
I knew it! Didn't have you down as the touch-typing type! Makes life easier though when you can :cool:
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Be gentle with that keyboard/pad now :laugh: :kiss:
One finger smashing :cool:
I knew it! Didn't have you down as the touch-typing type! Makes life easier though when you can :cool:
Life's not meant to be easy Booth and in another life I did do the all arms b3 clerical course and to pass you had to type so many words a minute and that was on a type writer :laugh: not one of these new contraptions :cool:
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If you want a really powerful wardrobe, why not have a look at:
http://www.evo.co.uk/audi/rs3
Have you seen the load capacity of an RS3? 280 litres, compared to 343 litres for a regular R hatchback.
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But think of the powaaah (said in my best Clarkson voice)
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Litres of boot space is all tosh.
My old neighbour works in R&D for Honda. He was showing me the Civic Tourer just before it was launched. Telling me how load luggers needn't be hearse shaped. He said the Civic have ever so many litres of boot space, but all that means is how many 100mm diameter balls could be packed in. It may be able to carry almost as many balls as my Passat, but it won't carry a washing machine with the rear seats still in place.
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Well said dubber it's all about shape not size if you get my meaning :smiley:
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Litres of boot space is all tosh.
My old neighbour works in R&D for Honda. He was showing me the Civic Tourer just before it was launched. Telling me how load luggers needn't be hearse shaped. He said the Civic have ever so many litres of boot space, but all that means is how many 100mm diameter balls could be packed in. It may be able to carry almost as many balls as my Passat, but it won't carry a washing machine with the rear seats still in place.
It's a load of tosh depending on what you want to carry. I don't carry washing machines often, but when we go away for the weekend we'll normally take lots of soft bags etc. In those circumstances the number of litres does make a difference because you are generally filling the whole boot area. The size of the load floor is pretty irrelevant.
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All I know is that whatever shape the boot is, whatever that thing you want to carry won't bloody fit.
Sloping rear window, suspension intrusion, large boot lip, seats not folding completely flat, rear interior light fitting getting in the way..... or whatever!
If you want to carry stuff, go the whole hog and buy a transit van :D
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All I know is that whatever shape the boot is, whatever that thing you want to carry won't bloody fit.
Sloping rear window, suspension intrusion, large boot lip, seats not folding completely flat, rear interior light fitting getting in the way..... or whatever!
If you want to carry stuff, go the whole hog and buy a transit van :D
^^ This.
We have a van, not a transit, but it's a god send for shifting big stuff from A to B.
Mind you, I managed to squeeze 2 adult and 1 kid's mountain bikes into the back of my GTI (2/3 rear seats folded) a few weeks back. Depends how adept you are at packing.
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I see NVC (http://www.nationwidevehiclecontracts.co.uk/Volkswagen_Golf_Estate-2-0-tsi-r-dsg-65061-quote.htm) are doing the Golf R estate with free metallic paint.
12500 miles/year
£3139 (inc vat) deposit
23 x £260 (inc vat)
for a 24 Month contract.
Nearly tempted..
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There are better deals than that on the R Estate....
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Excellent, please add the links I am definitely tempted..
Most I have seen have had much less miles/year
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http://www.centralukvehicleleasing.co.uk/vehicle/choose_your_lease/68430/volkswagen/golf/20_tsi_r_5dr_dsg.html
This will be cheaper even with excess miles as increasing mileage to 12k/annum adds around 35.00 (5p +VAT per mile excess) per month plus the initial payment is a lot lower too....
Also if you do less than 12k a year it will cost less as you will only pay for actual miles exceed over the 5k allowance...
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I emailed those guys for a 12000 mile quote with metallic paint, free with NVC and they actually worked out a bit dearer. :sad:
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Mike - it will be dearer as the 5k deal is a special offer. Just factor in the extra miles you will do and you will find the cos of the 5k CVL deal much less than the one you linked to. Also has the advantage that is you don't do those miles you don't pay for them unlike higher mileage limits where you are stuck with them.