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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: GrahamFR on 03 March 2015, 10:47
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Anyone else had this.
Basically, not every morning, but about 6 times now, ive got in the car started it (push button) put my seatbelt on and as im doing it, the release parking brake message comes up and the handbrake disengages and my car starts to roll back on it own. No fault on my dash or via obd2, so I bet the dealer wont be able to 'locate' it.
Am I alone?
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Not had it on mine - I've got keyless too and it's manual.
Is yours DSG or manual? Actually, probably manual or you'd be in 'park' which would stop it rolling.
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indeed I am manual, its very weird I will try experimenting in the mornings but so far i believe that it doesnt matter if my seat belt is on or not, shortly after i start the car, the handbrake turns itself off, and weirdly I dont recall ever hearing the usual whine noise
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I think I would be leaving it in gear every time I leave the car just in case. I have a DSG but noticed if you take your seatbelt off it puts the handbrake on automatically, whilst stationary (not tried it moving).
Is is something to do with the clutch? I think its supposed to turn off when the clutch is raised slightly, as if you are driving off.
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I think I would be leaving it in gear every time I leave the car just in case. I have a DSG but noticed if you take your seatbelt off it puts the handbrake on automatically, whilst stationary (not tried it moving).
Is is something to do with the clutch? I think its supposed to turn off when the clutch is raised slightly, as if you are driving off.
Yeah i leave it in gear, but to start the car I have to have my clutch down, hence the roll unless as i do now, i have my foot on the brake too.
No, dont think thats clutch related mate, basically i'm rolling before i have my foot on the gas or moving off the clutch, plus there is always the message, telling me to release the brake, even tho its released itself. There is no extra work from the engine or strain on the brakes or clutch or anything, its as it you turn the car on and it just gives up on the brakes, no other motion is used.
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What happens if you put your belt on and then start the car - does the HB disengage as soon as the car starts or stay on till you pull away
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see thats what im unsure about, i think the problem is im used to jumping in, turning on and then putting my seatbelt on, but ill give it a few goes as it doesnt happen everytime and see if this stops it. Either way thats still not right, just annoying its not bringing up a fault. Also, it only does it with the engine running, it doesnt 'let go' just on ignition.
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Ok didnt let go twice tonight with seat belt on but the morning will be the real test
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Have you accidentally switched the Hill Hold button to off?
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Have you accidentally switched the Hill Hold button to off?
Yes, 6 whole times :grin: lol no mate, definitely not.
Well tried this morning with the seat belt in and it didn't disengage, will keep trying as it wasn't everyday and will let you know if it happens again.
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Mine doesn't seem to do that, on the contrary, on a couple of occasions it didn't disengage, I had to release it manually. There was also a message on the MFD, apply brake before disengaging.
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Apologies for this sounding stupid, but is your clutch fully down? Its just that it sounds familiar to a situation I have been in a few times where like you, felt like the handbrake disengaged on its own without me doing anything. However, came to realize that I have ever so slightly raised the clutch unknowingly whilst doing something else i.e. putting seat belt on and hence, the hand brake disengages as it thinks you are trying to move off. I am talking a very small movement, not enough to move the car.
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my handbrake struggles to disengage just using the clutch, i often have to blip the throttle to get it off. But I do wonder if the times its done it im in reverse... hmm another thing to try. But regardless, I get the message every time it lets go and I shouldnt if everything was normal imo. Remember its telling me to release the parking brake manually, even though it releases it automatically...?
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Oh yeah of course, the message...hmm strange one...
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Although my car is a manual GTD without keyless (so complete opposite of yours) my handbrake doesn't disengage automatically if I start the car without my seatbelt on. However if I take my seatbelt off the handbrake will automatically apply if I'm stopped.
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yeah mine does all that, in fact since writing this post its stopped doing the fault, maybe ive scared the gremlin away, we shall see lol
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This is a weird error. I have a keyless manual aswell and pretty much do what you are doing. Im parked on a hill and start the car without my belt on, as soon as the belt is on the handbrake will disengage, although I do have to use a touch of right foot to get it moving otherwise the brake will hold and then jump forward.
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This is a weird error. I have a keyless manual aswell and pretty much do what you are doing. Im parked on a hill and start the car without my belt on, as soon as the belt is on the handbrake will disengage, although I do have to use a touch of right foot to get it moving otherwise the brake will hold and then jump forward.
You beat me to it Rem. Been thinking its not really done it since I posted this on here, but yesterday it did to me twice without me paying attention and then the third time I worked out what I was doing. Like you, I get in, turn the car on, everything is fine but as soon as I put my belt in it disengages the handbrake but I dont have to use any right foot, its already set off on its own adventure lol! Hopefully I will be able to reproduce this next time I go for a service, but glad im not alone. Im convinced it hasnt always done this!
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When you say the brake comes off, what colour is the handbrake light at each stage? Red is "park" and green is "hold assist".
Maybe looking at that might give you a clue as to what is happening.
I am certain btw the VW dealer will tell you that you should have your seatbelt on before starting the car, because that is what the Germans intended and no German would be as dangerous as this! It is verboten!
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When you say the brake comes off, what colour is the handbrake light at each stage? Red is "park" and green is "hold assist".
Maybe looking at that might give you a clue as to what is happening.
I am certain btw the VW dealer will tell you that you should have your seatbelt on before starting the car, because that is what the Germans intended and no German would be as dangerous as this! It is verboten!
the handbrake is red, youve just started the car afterall. And the im not questioning the need for a seatbelt, im questioning why my car turns its own handbrake off for the laugh when i put my seatbelt on, it doesnt go from red to green, it goes from red to feck all. I get in the car, strap in and then it starts rolling down a hill, i haven't touched anything else, and this is not how the germans intended, in the beginning I nearly rolled into the garage every morning!
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So, with a keyless manual GTI.
Get in car, no seatbelt
start the car by pressing the keyless start button - engine starts, red brake light.
With the car in neutral and not touching any pedals at all, inserting the seatbelt buckle, light goes from red to off, not green?
Is that correct?
Just trying to document it in a way people can test it as well :)
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I've just been out to the car park here and tested my manual, GTD with no keyless.
The only other thing I noticed that I'd forgotten is that the seatbelt light goes out.
However, mine definitely keeps the park brake on until I attempt to move off its RED.
Might it be a keyless thing? Can other keyless manual owners try it?
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yes that is correct.
Its not the be all and end all, I will learn to put my seatbelt on with my foot on the brake, but I certainly dont want this eagerness evolving further, what if soon it decides waiting for the seatbelt is taking too long...
It was frosty this morning, so i turned my car on and put the heaters on full while i went to find the deicer, imagine my surprise when I came back to find my car was already halfway down the M6... for example :smiley:
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Could be worse, you could have DSG, an active route on the nav and find yourself in Milton Keynes before you know it.
Nobody wants to go to Milton Keynes! ;-)
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that is true, it can only use gravity against me for now, before it learns where it clutch is of course. So if I move somewhere flat, maybe East Anglia, I should be ok for the time being
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I've just been out to the car park here and tested my manual, GTD with no keyless.
The only other thing I noticed that I'd forgotten is that the seatbelt light goes out.
However, mine definitely keeps the park brake on until I attempt to move off its RED.
Might it be a keyless thing? Can other keyless manual owners try it?
Keyless works exactly the same. The handbrake light only goes off when you try driving away after putting on your seatbelt. If you try driving away without the seatbelt on then theres just alot of noise and your car doesnt move and you feel stupid (from experience :embarrassed:)
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Ok well I finally by chance got to show this fault to a VW technician when it was in for other work. They had it in yesterday to reset the software or something, anyway turns out its not worked, in fact its done it to me every time ive started the car lol but that's only been twice, we shall see tonight.
In other news, they also replaced my boot lip spoiler things just cos the sticky tape was coming loose, so at least i have got rid of the swirl marks technically :smiley:
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Ok well I finally by chance got to show this fault to a VW technician when it was in for other work. They had it in yesterday to reset the software or something, anyway turns out its not worked, in fact its done it to me every time ive started the car lol but that's only been twice, we shall see tonight.
In other news, they also replaced my boot lip spoiler things just cos the sticky tape was coming loose, so at least i have got rid of the swirl marks technically :smiley:
ok so it did it again last night on the way home but strangely hasnt done it today, think I cant be arsed with this and im sure theyve reset my map too :sad: oh well back to shark we go
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Does it make a difference how you put the brake on at the end of the previous drive? If you just turn off the car and it auto engages the brake perhaps it's mimicking that on the other side when you start up.
If you don't deliberately put the brake on then try doing that.
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Does it make a difference how you put the brake on at the end of the previous drive? If you just turn off the car and it auto engages the brake perhaps it's mimicking that on the other side when you start up.
If you don't deliberately put the brake on then try doing that.
Thats not a bad idea for my next step of testing, I just wish I could find the pattern to it so I could show people on command if you know what I mean. I will try and remember how I stop next times....
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Is the handbrake definitely on if you can't hear any whirring noises when you stop?
Could it be in gear that is stopping you rolling (I know I leave my car in gear) and when you put your foot on the clutch to start it, it starts to roll?
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Is the handbrake definitely on if you can't hear any whirring noises when you stop?
Could it be in gear that is stopping you rolling (I know I leave my car in gear) and when you put your foot on the clutch to start it, it starts to roll?
Yes mate its definitely on, its on when i start the car, its just after putting the seat belt in that it lets go. It did it again this morning but not last night and i'm starting to wonder... is it when i reverse park.... I have parked forward today and we shall experiment!