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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: matchboy on 30 October 2014, 10:27
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Picked up my R yesterday lunchtime. It's outstanding, can't praise it enough :evil: Thought it might be of some use doing a little comparison, albeit only 150 miles driven :smiley:
First off, it's a lot quicker than the GTI. And that wasn't slow! Granted my GTI was a manual PP, and the R is a DSG - so it certainly changes gears quicker than a human being would be able to - but the acceleration is brilliant :evil: In D it picks up very well indeed, better than I thought it would - and in S, well, you can guess about that :evil:
In terms of the feel of the car, the drive, steering etc - it's exactly the same. Can't tell any difference whatsoever, it's as good as the GTI is. Obviously I haven't been in conditions to test out the 4WD. Handles round corners great, hugs the bends just like the GTI. No difference so far. There will be come the snow though!
Ride quality - the GTI was on 19s, the R is on 18s. No DCC in either. Feels exactly the same IMO, as comfortable as you would want from any hot hatch - it may be a little firm for some people, but not for me. Cruising to work today in traffic it was a dream to drive.
Cabin - some nice touches in the R (black effect on the steering wheel instead of the chrome in the GTI, the door panel has a different softer material also) but in the main it's the same inside. Yes, the little touches differentiate it from the GTI (and GTD) but there's nothing majorly different.
The sound - I know some people don't like the artificial sound. And that's fair enough. But I absolutely love it! When the car downshifts (either on its own as you slow down or if you do it yourself via the paddles), the roar you get is totally addictive - and the little 'boom' you get with gear changes is fantastic. Much, much louder than the GTI. So addictive I haven't taken it out of Race mode :wink:
The looks - you all know what an R looks like, suffice to say I think it looks outstanding - does it look better than the GTI? The front end is still better on the GTI, but saying that the double DRLs look amazing on the R and the silver edge on the front skirt really stands out. Everyone got out of my way this morning :grin: From the back there's no comparison, I love the quads :cool: And the blue interior is very cool too, reminds me of my old mk 4 V5/GTI's :smiley:
DSG - this is my first auto (owned), I've always had manuals - so taken a punt on this as I love a manual car. But so far I am more impressed than I thought I would be. Driving to work today was a piece of cake, in the usual mass of traffic, car does the lot for you in D - seamless gear changes, very impressed (although the auto in a BMW is slightly better). But yesterday on some open roads, slapped it in S and used the paddles - so, so much fun. As engaging as a manual IMO.
As an aside, the leather (Carbon Nappa) - albeit very expensive at £2,650 - is well worth the money. Really impressed. Massive step up over the Vienna that I had on my mk 5 and 6 GTI's - soft and comfortable, and gives the cabin a premium feel. Had the cloth in my GTI and loved that, so it's down to personal preference, but I'm very impressed with the quality of the leather so far. Time will tell how it wears though.
Sorry there's not too much more to comment on, but have only done 150 odd miles. So, is it worth the extra cash over the GTI, not only to buy but to run? Well all I can say is yes, 100% IMO. The speed/acceleration is addictive (obviously adhering to the speed limits), I love the noise of the car, and the little touches in the cabin over the GTI make it feel different. Does it diminsh the quality of the GTI in any way - not at all. I loved my mk 7 GTI, it's the best GTI yet by a mile. But the R - well, it's a joy to drive and is an immense amount of fun - I can't wait to get back in it later!
Those who have made the jump will not be disappointed!!
(I know this thread is possibly useless without pics :grin:, but there's some on my twitter - matchboy1976 - and I'll put some more on here once it's detailed next Weds :smiley:).
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Top review Mark!!
I was genuinely excited for you yesterday knowing you were picking it up :smiley:
I had a test drive of one a number of months ago and the acceleration was just on a different planet from the GTI. Interesting to hear your thoughts on the sound compared to the GTI. I'm with you in that i love hearing the exhaust note when you put your foot down and unfortunately imo the GTI just doesn't live up to expectations in that department.
I've never driven an automatic either but it's definitely something I would choose on my next car
Obviously seen the pics on twitter and it looks immense. Looking forward to seeing more after it's been detailed.
Enjoy pal!! :smiley: :smiley:
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Top review Mark!!
I was genuinely excited for you yesterday knowing you were picking it up :smiley:
I had a test drive of one a number of months ago and the acceleration was just on a different planet from the GTI. Interesting to hear your thoughts on the sound compared to the GTI. I'm with you in that i love hearing the exhaust note when you put your foot down and unfortunately imo the GTI just doesn't live up to expectations in that department.
I've never driven an automatic either but it's definitely something I would choose on my next car
Obviously seen the pics on twitter and it looks immense. Looking forward to seeing more after it's been detailed.
Enjoy pal!! :smiley: :smiley:
Thanks mate!! :smiley:
Yes, the acceleration is wicked, far too addictive :grin: Totally agree with the noise from the GTI, in fact the GTD with the Sport & Sound pack sounds louder than the GTI. I know its all artificial but still.
Would defintely recommend the DSG, I really really like it - far more than I thought I would!
I will, thanks Craig!!
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Glad you're happy with the R matchboy. Pretty good comparison however I completely disagree with the R's "acceleration being on another planet to the GTI" My brother has a R DSG and I have a GTI PP DSG so I have driven both quite frequently, sometimes back to back and even with my car at standard the R feels slightly and I mean very slightly quicker. Obviously when I'm on Stage 1 it destroys the R but that's stating the obvious.
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Glad you're happy with the R matchboy. Pretty good comparison however I completely disagree with the R's "acceleration being on another planet to the GTI" My brother has a R DSG and I have a GTI PP DSG so I have driven both quite frequently, sometimes back to back and even with my car at standard the R feels slightly and I mean very slightly quicker. Obviously when I'm on Stage 1 it destroys the R but that's stating the obvious.
You can disagree :grin: I obviously disagree with what you're saying too, acceleration in 1st & 2nd is so much quicker in the R, there is no comparison whatsoever - but different opinions are what makes the world go round! :smiley:
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Changing from a 200bhp TT to a 230 bhp GTI PP the increase in power is not massively noticeable to me however the short test drive I had in the R felt a hell of a lot different especially through the lower gears.
I suppose we all have different perceptions of speed
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You should really post some before (now) pics to compare to the post detail pics you'll be putting up, as mine will look very similar to yours externally (Cadiz/Lapiz). Will be buying some C1 in for mine to do it myself (too tight to pay someone to detail mine).
Looking forward to everything but the fuel bill when I get mine next March. :whistle:
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You should really post some before (now) pics to compare to the post detail pics you'll be putting up, as mine will look very similar to yours externally (Cadiz/Lapiz). Will be buying some C1 in for mine to do it myself (too tight to pay someone to detail mine).
Looking forward to everything but the fuel bill when I get mine next March. :whistle:
I got 29mpg this morning to work; in the GTI it was usually around 32-34 odd. Happy with that! But its when you put your foot down that it'll become expensive :grin:
Just for you MH (excuse the sh!te photography skills):
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Very Smart indeed. So glad I stuck with the Lapiz (was tempted to change to DBP) and even though it's a tiny detail, I am a big fan of the blue lighting inside.
29mpg on a sensible journey from early days is good enough for me.
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Very Smart indeed. So glad I stuck with the Lapiz (was tempted to change to DBP) and even though it's a tiny detail, I am a big fan of the blue lighting inside.
29mpg on a sensible journey from early days is good enough for me.
Yes, I'm glad I switched back to Lapiz - it looks great in the flesh.
I was pleasantly surprised at the mpg I have to say :smiley:
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Very nice indeed.I am interested in what what instruction you gave to the dealer regarding the fact your having it detailed soon yourself.Did the dealer do any prep whatsoever or was it untouched by their hands.
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Matchboy: I see you have the dreaded Bridgestones, you'll have to let us know whether the 4WD really overcomes the sh!tty grip these provide on my GTD.
If not and I end up with them on mine, i'll be swapping out on day 1 for some Michelins from Costco and have them sold. Never had a response back from VW Germany relating to my request not to have them, and asking the dealer to swap them only works if there are 2 Rs on Cadiz in at the same time that don't both have Bridgestones fitted.
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Nice car mate but to me they feel quite a bit different. The R feels heavy, almost R32 like and the GTi much lighter and nimble.
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i'll be honest i didn't find my R when stock that fast given it hasn't got much more torque than the GTI, journalists always make reference to the power figures on GTIs and in reality forget what a torquey motor it is in the real life environment
on the tyre front i'd go Michelin Super Sports as just epic and wet grip is amazing
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Precisely what the above 2 posts say. The R has 370NM of Torque compared to the GTI's 350NM at stock, so barely a difference. The R has a bigger turbo so technically should be better in the higher revs. Of course the extra 60-70BHP make a difference too but again not hugely noticeable in my opinion.
I was actually really disappointed when I drove my brothers R as it felt, dare I say it, slower than I expected for it's figures and very very heavy at the back compared to the GTI down to the 4 wheel drive system weighing it down.
I was ready to make an order to the R myself but wasn't all that impressed by it.
I must admit the R does sound much better in the cabin though. Especially the upshifts which are much louder. You had a manual before though which doesn't pop anywhere near as the DSG's. The R does boom better though.
Not trying to steal your thunder as I know you've obviously just spent a ridiculous amount of money changing to the R and it is a great car but just being honest.
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if you are going through the gears the stock R feels quick but in gear 50-70 you feel it would be quicker and you just know the chassis can take more, being used to cars running 300bhp it was nothing special
on the move my wife's Stage 1 Pirelli would real it in due to the extra mid range when stock as that is when torque really counts
it took a while to get used to 4wd chassis dynamics on it, what still blows me away is how well these pull out of low speed corners, around some of the twisties by the Ring it was sublime around hairpins
thing i never liked about the GTI was you cannot fully disable traction control and seeing the TG lap where it was trying to find the apex put me off, turn the aids of on the R on track and it is just a nice balanced car and with a bit of room for error actually sweater and more predicable than with the gizmos
they start to get fun with 350bhp
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Nice review Matchboy. Stunning pics.
Two quick questions.
Does the media display show the R logo on startup similar to the GTI?
How does the boot space compare?
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Very nice indeed.I am interested in what what instruction you gave to the dealer regarding the fact your having it detailed soon yourself.Did the dealer do any prep whatsoever or was it untouched by their hands.
They did clean it, but that's all I wanted. I'd read up on the dealership and read nothing bad, so was happy to let them wash it - but that was it! I didn't want to take home a dirty car :grin:
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Matchboy: I see you have the dreaded Bridgestones, you'll have to let us know whether the 4WD really overcomes the sh!tty grip these provide on my GTD.
If not and I end up with them on mine, i'll be swapping out on day 1 for some Michelins from Costco and have them sold. Never had a response back from VW Germany relating to my request not to have them, and asking the dealer to swap them only works if there are 2 Rs on Cadiz in at the same time that don't both have Bridgestones fitted.
I had the Bridgestones on my GTI and never had a problem tbh - it's the Dunlops that I can't bear - awful tyre!
Saying that, once they're on the way out I'll be putting Michellin PS3's on it.
It was p!ssing it yesterday and I felt safe as houses at speed, so maybe the 4WD has overcome any issues?
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Precisely what the above 2 posts say. The R has 370NM of Torque compared to the GTI's 350NM at stock, so barely a difference. The R has a bigger turbo so technically should be better in the higher revs. Of course the extra 60-70BHP make a difference too but again not hugely noticeable in my opinion.
I was actually really disappointed when I drove my brothers R as it felt, dare I say it, slower than I expected for it's figures and very very heavy at the back compared to the GTI down to the 4 wheel drive system weighing it down.
I was ready to make an order to the R myself but wasn't all that impressed by it.
I must admit the R does sound much better in the cabin though. Especially the upshifts which are much louder. You had a manual before though which doesn't pop anywhere near as the DSG's. The R does boom better though.
Not trying to steal your thunder as I know you've obviously just spent a ridiculous amount of money changing to the R and it is a great car but just being honest.
You can be honest :smiley: I completely disagree with what you're saying, but that's fine too!
Having owned 7 GTI's from the 4 all the way to the 7 IMO the R is in a different league performance wise - I drive all my cars hard so trust me when I say I've tested it :wink:
My missus read this and said if you don't think the R is a hell of a lot quicker then you didn't drive it right :laugh:
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Nice review Matchboy. Stunning pics.
Two quick questions.
Does the media display show the R logo on startup similar to the GTI?
How does the boot space compare?
Thanks :smiley:
I haven't noticed the R logo tbh - I'll check in the morning!
Boot space - it's slightly smaller but I've only opened it once :grin:
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Precisely what the above 2 posts say. The R has 370NM of Torque compared to the GTI's 350NM at stock, so barely a difference. The R has a bigger turbo so technically should be better in the higher revs. Of course the extra 60-70BHP make a difference too but again not hugely noticeable in my opinion.
I was actually really disappointed when I drove my brothers R as it felt, dare I say it, slower than I expected for it's figures and very very heavy at the back compared to the GTI down to the 4 wheel drive system weighing it down.
I was ready to make an order to the R myself but wasn't all that impressed by it.
I must admit the R does sound much better in the cabin though. Especially the upshifts which are much louder. You had a manual before though which doesn't pop anywhere near as the DSG's. The R does boom better though.
Not trying to steal your thunder as I know you've obviously just spent a ridiculous amount of money changing to the R and it is a great car but just being honest.
You can be honest :smiley: I completely disagree with what you're saying, but that's fine too!
Having owned 7 GTI's from the 4 all the way to the 7 IMO the R is in a different league performance wise - I drive all my cars hard so trust me when I say I've tested it :wink:
My missus read this and said if you don't think the R is a hell of a lot quicker then you didn't drive it right :laugh:
Not at all. Bear in mind I drive a Revo Stage 1 GTI with 420NM of Torque and 300BHP which destroys the R ;)
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Who cares! The R is a fine car so is the gti and so is the gtd. It's not a pi44ing contest in the playground and the way some people think they always know best on here is starting to get a bit annoying. Plenty other cars will ”destroy ” a stage 1 with 420nm and 300bhp which wouldn't be that difficult either. Why can't people be happy for someone else.
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Who cares! The R is a fine car so is the gti and so is the gtd. It's not a pi44ing contest in the playground and the way some people think they always know best on here is starting to get a bit annoying. Plenty other cars will ”destroy ” a stage 1 with 420nm and 300bhp which wouldn't be that difficult either. Why can't people be happy for someone else.
loving the peace mcmaddy keep up the good work and your right all 3 cars are fine in there own right :smiley:
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Why can't people be happy for someone else.
Im happy for him...if a little jealous :laugh: What I'd love is my GTI with 4Motion to get all its power down in the greasy wet. But they'll never do that :wink:
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Lovely looking car Matchboy. I'm very jealous. Thanks for the review also, very enlightening.
I was never that keen on the front of the R but its starting to grow on me.
One thing that worries me though, is you parking in a car park side by side to another car!! That would freak me out and I couldn't leave it there. :sad: Its top n tail only for me or I just won't park :cry:
Enjoy that car of yours and keep us updated on things you like / dislike / discover about it.
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the problem you have when you start a thread is people may differ in opinion, if you do not want people to make such comments do not make a post about it in the first place
when we are talking about performance of a R you really have two aspects chassis dynamics and engine performance
my comments were made in terms of outright straight line speed, but for me the dynamics and ability and accessibility of performance is were it absolutely shows its class
any fwd car running 300+ bhp is flawed unless you invest is some hardware upgrades and that is speaking from someone who has been there and done it on three occasions
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Who cares! The R is a fine car so is the gti and so is the gtd. It's not a pi44ing contest in the playground and the way some people think they always know best on here is starting to get a bit annoying. Plenty other cars will ”destroy ” a stage 1 with 420nm and 300bhp which wouldn't be that difficult either. Why can't people be happy for someone else.
Haha it's just a bit of harmless teasing! Calm down! If you read my first post I even said I'm happy for him and I also said numerous times that the R is a great car I just disagreed with the comment regarding it being on another planet that was all.
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Well this escalated quickly..... :grin:
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I'm a big boy and can take it :grin: If I wanted to get involved in a p!ssing contest I'd pull out the fact that my brother is a millionaire and I frequently drive all the Ferraris, Porsches, BMW M cars, Audi R8s, RR's etc etc - which will destroy a mapped GTI - but there's no need to go down that route :wink:
I only posted the thread to offer a little insight into the differences between the two cars - this forum is the best place for help and insight into VW's, and there's some really decent and helpful people on here, so its nice to give something back every now and then - and as I said, apart from the speed element they are very similar cars. It wasn't to slag off the GTI in any way as its an amazing car and I was sad to see mine go :smiley:
Thanks for all the nice comments - and yes p3asa I was very concerned when that joker pulled up next to me - suffice to say I didn't leave my car unattended :grin:
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Who cares! The R is a fine car so is the gti and so is the gtd. It's not a pi44ing contest in the playground and the way some people think they always know best on here is starting to get a bit annoying. Plenty other cars will ”destroy ” a stage 1 with 420nm and 300bhp which wouldn't be that difficult either. Why can't people be happy for someone else.
Haha it's just a bit of harmless teasing! Calm down! If you read my first post I even said I'm happy for him and I also said numerous times that the R is a great car I just disagreed with the comment regarding it being on another planet that was all.
One small turn of phrase causes chaos :grin: :grin:. We all have our own opinions and as mentioned imo it felt mighty fast compared to the GTI but then it was a brief test drive. I might feel differently after 6 months of ownership if i had one but who knows.
We are comparing apples and oranges here, your comparing against a stage 1 remap and i'm comparing against a bog standard PP. If you were to compare against a stage 1 R you may feel differently
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Awful nights sleep last night and early morning reading and posting don't mix haha. sorry chaps :lipsrsealed:
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I think the key points were missed here and blown out of proportion.
No one said the R isn't faster than the GTI that's pretty obvious when the R has 296BHP, 370NM of Torque and a 0-60 time of 4.9 seconds vs 230BHP, 350NM of Torque and a 0-60 time of 6.3 seconds. I'd be concerned if it wasn't faster, it is. But a different planet faster? I wouldn't say so. A remapped Golf R or the R400 or anything sub 4 seconds then yes i'd agree it would be on another planet to the GTI but that's besides the point as would be your brothers millionaires collection of exotic sports cars. We were comparing the GTI to the R, not the GTI to a Maserati as it's quite obvious who would win that one.
Posting on a forum specifically named "golfgtiforum.co.uk" filled with GTI enthusiasts saying how much better the R is to the GTI is kind of asking for a debate if if i'm totally honest and even if not intended it's going to get peoples backs up. It would be like me posting on the Renaultsport forum about how much quicker my GTI is next to their Clio 197's. It wouldn't go down well.
I'm sure everyone is happy for you with your R and as i've always said it is an excellent car and I even said it sounds better than the GTI and is quicker. We'd all love to be kept updated as to how your doing with your R but I think it's also important how you compare the two cars and the words you use. I will apologise if some of my comments offended anybody but I won't apologise for defending the GTI in a truthful and honest way in it's home turf of the GTI forum. This place is already turning into rforum.co.uk as it is and I won't sit silent if I disagree with comments made against the GTI, which is an engineering masterpiece. There will always be better cars out there but I think it's important that we remember what the GTI is, that being the most all rounded hatchback money can buy and that is what it excels at. I know you weren't slagging off the GTI but if you look at it from other people's point of views thats how it can come across.
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Some people take the banter to heart (and the GTDers took a lot of stick early days), but there aren't many people out there looking for a nasty argument, just a debate. People here jumping ship to the R from both the GTI and the GTD aren't in a tiny minority, so it's a popular theme, and all three of the performance Golfs share a lot of DNA, it isn't exactly VW vs BMW here.
The popularity of the R can't be ignored, for those that won't be keeping their car forever and just look into what their car will cost them over 2/3/5 years are seeing that monthly basis, the R is a massive bargain due to the residuals which more than cancel out the higher RRP vs the GTI. Some here say the PP is so much better than the standard GTI and it's a no brainer to have it, pretty similar circumstance comparing PP to GTI as R to PP or GTI.
Choosing a GTD over a GTI or R can make a lot of sense to people, depending on their circumstances. Far better mpg, lower tax implications and significant (but not huge) residual differences add up to significant monthly savings.
Compare the R to a GTI though and you have minimal mpg differences, more stability/traction from the Haldex and more power as well as residuals so good that they can soak up the extra cost of the car and extra fuel costs for the average miler. Picking an R over a GTI pretty much has no financial penalty to the private buyer/leaser.
Some people will always want the GTI over the R for various reasons, but i'd take a punt that if they hadn't already bought their GTI and lined the 2 up next to each other to make a purchase, most would be getting the R, and there's nothing wrong with that.
This place is far friendlier than rforum at the outset and ongoing (most there do seem to calm down a bit once they get to know you), maybe we've had more time to get to know each other. It's a good thing that the people who have or will soon have an R are staying with this forum for their primary car forum needs because it's a nicer place to be.
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This place is far friendlier than rforum at the outset and ongoing (most there do seem to calm down a bit once they get to know you), maybe we've had more time to get to know each other. It's a good thing that the people who have or will soon have an R are staying with this forum for their primary car forum needs because it's a nicer place to be.
+1 :smiley:
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Here here :lipsrsealed:
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Would be interesting to know from someone who has had a GTI and now a R what their thoughts are on turning circle, I find it a major pinta on the R and cannot remember the demo GTI I had being that bad
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It may be the GTI forum but plenty on here without gti's, or even VWs for that matter :rolleyes: No reason R owners should be banished forever to the rforum :wink:
I certainly intend to stay on here when I move to a mk7 R next year. I visit the r forum from time to time for info but much prefer this place and that's down to the people, good and bad :evil: :smiley:
Would be interesting to know from someone who has had a GTI and now a R what their thoughts are on turning circle, I find it a major pinta on the R and cannot remember the demo GTI I had being that bad
Is it much bigger than the GTI's turning circle?
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It's noticable compared to the Mk5/6 you get used to it
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I agree totally guys. It's not a case of banishing people to the R forum. Everyone on here is great and I wouldn't wanna see them move forum.
It's just human instinct that if you go on a GTI forum and pick fault with the GTI it's going to naturally annoy people who are passionate about their GTI's.
Anyway, let's forget about it ;)
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Agreed forget about it they are two different machines I've now got a passat alltrack and I'm gunna be hanging around unless you get personnel about flat caps horse boxes oh and it's a tractor enjoy what you have got because in my humble opinion they are the best you can buy for money :laugh:
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This place is far friendlier than rforum at the outset and ongoing (most there do seem to calm down a bit once they get to know you), maybe we've had more time to get to know each other. It's a good thing that the people who have or will soon have an R are staying with this forum for their primary car forum needs because it's a nicer place to be.
+1 :smiley:
+2 :smiley:
I found the Seatcupra forum real friendly and helpful when I had the Leon FR. Have moved on and recently ordered a leaseR :wink:
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It's noticable compared to the Mk5/6 you get used to it
Interesting as i find the mk6 v.poor compared to the leon I also have which is basically a mk4 golf. Getting in and out of my drive and then swinging it into the garage with a mk7 maybe a bit of a challenge. :undecided:
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It's noticable compared to the Mk5/6 you get used to it
Interesting as i find the mk6 v.poor compared to the leon I also have which is basically a mk4 golf. Getting in and out of my drive and then swinging it into the garage with a mk7 maybe a bit of a challenge. :undecided:
Similar thinking here snoopy. Mk6 swings perfectly in driveway so I can drive out onto road. Hope mk7 not going to be a faff. Hardly a deal breaker though.
Btw matchboy, R looks fantastic, enjoy :cool:
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Matchboy: I see you have the dreaded Bridgestones, you'll have to let us know whether the 4WD really overcomes the sh!tty grip these provide on my GTD.
If not and I end up with them on mine, i'll be swapping out on day 1 for some Michelins from Costco and have them sold. Never had a response back from VW Germany relating to my request not to have them, and asking the dealer to swap them only works if there are 2 Rs on Cadiz in at the same time that don't both have Bridgestones fitted.
I had the Bridgestones on my GTI and never had a problem tbh - it's the Dunlops that I can't bear - awful tyre!
Saying that, once they're on the way out I'll be putting Michellin PS3's on it.
It was p!ssing it yesterday and I felt safe as houses at speed, so maybe the 4WD has overcome any issues?
In the dry there is no tangible difference between a standard drive and 4WD but when it is wet the 4WD definitely comes into its own with being able to just pull away as if dry (while everyone else around is having to manage their power or have car do it for them) and having come from 6 years of driving 4WD to standard can testify the fact that though the MK7 is very stable in wet the feeling a 4WD gives you is 100% and totally assured and something do miss.
The 4WD does make the car feel heavier too but in that solid and assured way mentioned above, it can be an on rails experience.
The R is really tempting me for my next car to compliment the GTD as becomes 2nd car, but my constant struggle is that even in the GTD I know that day to day driving conditions have not really let me explore its capabilities.
So its nice to have that extra power and torque on tap for bursts need it but its the comfort of cabin, DCC, DSG and auto hold that find appreciate the most through my regular miles.
I am keeping the GTD so going to have to really test drive the R to see how it 'makes me feel' as thats the overall decider, how you feel.
If feeling is there is not much over the GTD for most drives then actually will go top of range Tiguan!
Glad you like DSG, was new to me too, and total convert and doubt go back to manual now.
Its a lovely, lovely car though and love the colour though would be tempted to a white myself as shows all the lines and differentiates the styling features more clearly.
Remember all comments on this forum are at the very fine edge of personal taste when in reality whatever model you have you are not doing too bad :cool:
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I agree totally guys. It's not a case of banishing people to the R forum. Everyone on here is great and I wouldn't wanna see them move forum.
It's just human instinct that if you go on a GTI forum and pick fault with the GTI it's going to naturally annoy people who are passionate about their GTI's.
Anyway, let's forget about it ;)
Just to put this to bed, I don't believe once that I picked fault with the GTI, so slightly confused by your last two posts. This thread was purely for comparison purposes, and from my point of view.
Having been a member of this forum for 5+ years it's clear that I too am very passionate about GTI's - and I've owned 7. This is by far the friendliest forum on t'internet, and even if I didn't own a VW I'd still stick around :smiley:
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I agree totally guys. It's not a case of banishing people to the R forum. Everyone on here is great and I wouldn't wanna see them move forum.
It's just human instinct that if you go on a GTI forum and pick fault with the GTI it's going to naturally annoy people who are passionate about their GTI's.
Anyway, let's forget about it ;)
Just to put this to bed, I don't believe once that I picked fault with the GTI, so slightly confused by your last two posts. This thread was purely for comparison purposes, and from my point of view.
Having been a member of this forum for 5+ years it's clear that I too am very passionate about GTI's - and I've owned 7. This is by far the friendliest forum on t'internet, and even if I didn't own a VW I'd still stick around :smiley:
Think thats unquestioned really its obvious you love the Golf, the MK7 and have in reality just changed how you like your steak served :wink:
The core of this forum will always be GTI but to understand its value as a car its good to read about the competition within and outside of VW which IMO does little more than solidify the VW GTI position as best all round hot hatch on market today.
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Changed to an R from ED35 this weekend as there is not enough of a difference in terms of performance between the ED35 and GTI PP. Agree MK7 R is the performance option and totally worth the extra expense and GTI still best all round.
Here is a pic of the change over, sad to see my ED35 go but grin factor even bigger behind the wheel of the R:
(http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv17/Edi30/AF847507-DFA6-4752-AA3B-832C97E09750_zpseoww8pdz.jpg) (http://s665.photobucket.com/user/Edi30/media/AF847507-DFA6-4752-AA3B-832C97E09750_zpseoww8pdz.jpg.html)
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Changed to an R from ED35 this weekend as there is not enough of a difference in terms of performance between the ED35 and GTI PP. Agree MK7 R is the performance option and totally worth the extra expense and GTI still best all round.
Here is a pic of the change over, sad to see my ED35 go but grin factor even bigger behind the wheel of the R:
Think some support to my thinking the R maybe looks at its best in the white with how the black trim contrasts so markedly against the white compared to other colours and the R needs that impact much more than the GTI does with its more pronounced and IMO better front end styling.
Have to say the ED35 is such a lovely car too and whoever gets that is going to be feeling pretty good about themselves too.
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Thanks, I have really had a lot of fun in my 2 ED35s
(http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv17/Edi30/D048143E-2F08-4791-84E2-9283682499D0-231-00000062B5A2ED53_zps25f5afb9.jpg) (http://s665.photobucket.com/user/Edi30/media/D048143E-2F08-4791-84E2-9283682499D0-231-00000062B5A2ED53_zps25f5afb9.jpg.html)
(http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv17/Edi30/ED35Pro2.jpg) (http://s665.photobucket.com/user/Edi30/media/ED35Pro2.jpg.html)
Looking at the carbon grey I wish the R came in more colours and this would be a nice addition or a metallic red maybe?
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Thanks, I have really had a lot of fun in my 2 ED35s
Looking at the carbon grey I wish the R came in more colours and this would be a nice addition or a metallic red maybe?
Think the R should have the full colour range and a couple of exclusive if folk want to really differentiate.
The white ED35 is a real beauty :cool: garage will sale that easily.
Be interesting over a little time to read how the R makes you feel over the outgoing ED35, so do keep us updated as be good to know which aspects make the difference to you.
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Changed to an R from ED35 this weekend as there is not enough of a difference in terms of performance between the ED35 and GTI PP. Agree MK7 R is the performance option and totally worth the extra expense and GTI still best all round.
Here is a pic of the change over, sad to see my ED35 go but grin factor even bigger behind the wheel of the R:
Both fantastic looking cars, congrats - is there any reason you've gone for 18's on the mk7 after 19's on the mk6?
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I thought dynamically the M7 GTI was in a different league to my 35, that is why I new its days where numbered and swapped it for the R
Carbon grey just looked so good on the Ed35
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You should really post some before (now) pics to compare to the post detail pics you'll be putting up, as mine will look very similar to yours externally (Cadiz/Lapiz). Will be buying some C1 in for mine to do it myself (too tight to pay someone to detail mine).
Looking forward to everything but the fuel bill when I get mine next March. :whistle:
Had it detailed today - it looks amazing :cool: So worth the money!!
Instead of clogging up this thread with the 21 pics that I took :laugh: here is the link should anyone want a nosey :smiley:
http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/matchboyGTI/library/Golf%20R%20-%20Detailed
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Had it detailed today - it looks amazing :cool: So worth the money!!
Looks fantastic. Got a lovely shine on Lapiz Blue :cool:
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You should really post some before (now) pics to compare to the post detail pics you'll be putting up, as mine will look very similar to yours externally (Cadiz/Lapiz). Will be buying some C1 in for mine to do it myself (too tight to pay someone to detail mine).
Looking forward to everything but the fuel bill when I get mine next March. :whistle:
Had it detailed today - it looks amazing :cool: So worth the money!!
Instead of clogging up this thread with the 21 pics that I took :laugh: here is the link should anyone want a nosey :smiley:
http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/matchboyGTI/library/Golf%20R%20-%20Detailed
:cool: :cool: :cool:
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You should really post some before (now) pics to compare to the post detail pics you'll be putting up, as mine will look very similar to yours externally (Cadiz/Lapiz). Will be buying some C1 in for mine to do it myself (too tight to pay someone to detail mine).
Looking forward to everything but the fuel bill when I get mine next March. :whistle:
Had it detailed today - it looks amazing :cool: So worth the money!!
Instead of clogging up this thread with the 21 pics that I took :laugh: here is the link should anyone want a nosey :smiley:
http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/matchboyGTI/library/Golf%20R%20-%20Detailed
That looks brilliant pal. The colour really pops!! Very :cool: :cool:
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Thanks all! :smiley:
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Changed to an R from ED35 this weekend as there is not enough of a difference in terms of performance between the ED35 and GTI PP. Agree MK7 R is the performance option and totally worth the extra expense and GTI still best all round.
Here is a pic of the change over, sad to see my ED35 go but grin factor even bigger behind the wheel of the R:
Both fantastic looking cars, congrats - is there any reason you've gone for 18's on the mk7 after 19's on the mk6?
Exonion, thanks. Sorry for slow response been working out of the country. Reason for going for 18's from 19's is that first of all I don't like the Prets and would have gone for Cadiz 19's if these had been an option. However if I had done that I would have also gone for DCC as my wife has a bad back as the 19's on the ED35 were sometimes a little harsh but overall well worth it for looks and sharper steering.
Steering already sharp on MK7 and it rides really well on 18's and I have saved myself the thick end of 2k.
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Changed to an R from ED35 this weekend as there is not enough of a difference in terms of performance between the ED35 and GTI PP. Agree MK7 R is the performance option and totally worth the extra expense and GTI still best all round.
Here is a pic of the change over, sad to see my ED35 go but grin factor even bigger behind the wheel of the R:
Both fantastic looking cars, congrats - is there any reason you've gone for 18's on the mk7 after 19's on the mk6?
Exonion, thanks. Sorry for slow response been working out of the country. Reason for going for 18's from 19's is that first of all I don't like the Prets and would have gone for Cadiz 19's if these had been an option. However if I had done that I would have also gone for DCC as my wife has a bad back as the 19's on the ED35 were sometimes a little harsh but overall well worth it for looks and sharper steering.
Steering already sharp on MK7 and it rides really well on 18's and I have saved myself the thick end of 2k.
Them Pretoria are not compelling at all, too much space between the spokes and for me just do not look right at all so it would be Cadiz all the way for me.
Ride is also important so doubt would ever go to 19 as 18s are more than big enough and give the presence that seek.
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Changed to an R from ED35 this weekend as there is not enough of a difference in terms of performance between the ED35 and GTI PP. Agree MK7 R is the performance option and totally worth the extra expense and GTI still best all round.
Here is a pic of the change over, sad to see my ED35 go but grin factor even bigger behind the wheel of the R:
Both fantastic looking cars, congrats - is there any reason you've gone for 18's on the mk7 after 19's on the mk6?
Exonion, thanks. Sorry for slow response been working out of the country. Reason for going for 18's from 19's is that first of all I don't like the Prets and would have gone for Cadiz 19's if these had been an option. However if I had done that I would have also gone for DCC as my wife has a bad back as the 19's on the ED35 were sometimes a little harsh but overall well worth it for looks and sharper steering.
Steering already sharp on MK7 and it rides really well on 18's and I have saved myself the thick end of 2k.
Lucky you! I barely get out of my dreadful cell like office! :grin:
And thanks for the feedback on the alloys, interesting, and yes, a good ££££ saving!!! :cool:
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I was standard 18s but then specced the 19s, I personally love the Pretorias. I went standard rims with GTD so thought id push boat out and get larger alloys. Each to their own I suppose
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I was standard 18s but then specced the 19s, I personally love the Pretorias. I went standard rims with GTD so thought id push boat out and get larger alloys. Each to their own I suppose
I must admit that 19" alloys would be the first and possibly only option (aside from rear camera) I'd spec.
Mind you, I still think of GTIs as GTIs of old and am quite prepared to put up with using a key to start the car and slightly hard suspension and even moving the gear stick by good old fashioned arm power in return for a bit of involvement.
I think I'm losing touch!
:grin:
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Went for pano roof as well! Really wanted leather and DSG but that alone is like 3k worth of extras, pano roof and 19s are like 1,500 or there abouts. Only wanted the DSG for the "farts" lol and the rapid gear changes, but the manual suits me, feels like I can rag it more than I get the feeling you can in a DSG