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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Mattyj on 24 May 2014, 19:43
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Hi all,got a set of ttrs 370mm discs and calipers but after a little looking around think these are gonna cause issues, can't test fit at the minuite as the cars in getting its air suspension done
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This?
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,13985.0.html
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Those calipers are virtually identical to the ones i have so maybe just get some diff brackets :-)
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I'd personally go down the OE R32/R/S3 kit...
Straight bolt on, cheap with cheap consumables and will fit under OE 17s without spacers, great upgrade imo :smiley:
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I'd personally go down the OE R32/R/S3 kit...
Straight bolt on, cheap with cheap consumables and will fit under OE 17s without spacers, great upgrade imo :smiley:
Thats not important as i'll be running 19's would be handy for winters tho gutted tho my ttrs calipers the bollocks the s3 one's look a bit weak and they are only single pot aren't they?
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I'd personally go down the OE R32/R/S3 kit...
Straight bolt on, cheap with cheap consumables and will fit under OE 17s without spacers, great upgrade imo :smiley:
Im in the same boat, not sure wheather to upgrade to R32 - Yes they have better stopping power, but they weight quite a bit more than OEM.
In two minds to stick OEM calipers and just get decent pads and braided lines.
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I'm not convinced its an "upgrade" swapping single pot for single pot
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I'm not convinced its an "upgrade" swapping single pot for single pot
The S3 setup is a very noticeable upgrade from the stock gti/gtd system...
Yes they may still be single piston sliding calipers but it's a big piston (51mm) acting on a much larger disc (345mm versus 312mm),
With a 4 pot system you are buying lightness, endurance and 'feel' over a basic OE single piston system, even with £2k worth of AP 4 pots you are still moving the same amount of fluid via the master cylinder, you just get more of a progressive 'feel' due to the staggered way in which the smaller and larger pistons operate :smiley:
The S3 setup is very capable especially when running uprated pads and the weight can be offset by using 340mm TTs discs..
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Plenty of people running TTRS set up on mk5/6 so what is the concern other than wheel clearance, that said TTRS used to have 18s as standard, only issue is your rears may be a bit weedy
S3 set up is a popular mod
My AP 4 pots were awesome but not cheap on the consumables but did wipe off speed
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I'm not convinced its an "upgrade" swapping single pot for single pot
The S3 setup is a very noticeable upgrade from the stock gti/gtd system...
Yes they may still be single piston sliding calipers but it's a big piston (51mm) acting on a much larger disc (345mm versus 312mm),
With a 4 pot system you are buying lightness, endurance and 'feel' over a basic OE single piston system, even with £2k worth of AP 4 pots you are still moving the same amount of fluid via the master cylinder, you just get more of a progressive 'feel' due to the staggered way in which the smaller and larger pistons operate :smiley:
The S3 setup is very capable especially when running uprated pads and the weight can be offset by using 340mm TTs discs..
I'm just a tad confused when you intially said 345 then 340 at the end will this not put the caliper out 5mm? Pity they don't look as awesome as the 4 pots :-(
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Plenty of people running TTRS set up on mk5/6 so what is the concern other than wheel clearance, that said TTRS used to have 18s as standard, only issue is your rears may be a bit weedy
S3 set up is a popular mod
My AP 4 pots were awesome but not cheap on the consumables but did wipe off speed
I just got some sh!te info earlier off the net touch wood then as i say can't can't test fit at the mo any idea where i can get 370mm discs bar audi? Struggling to find them :-/
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The TTS disks have better cooling and less unswept area, my 7R has the same disc size and more than adequate for general use
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I'm not convinced its an "upgrade" swapping single pot for single pot
The S3 setup is a very noticeable upgrade from the stock gti/gtd system...
Yes they may still be single piston sliding calipers but it's a big piston (51mm) acting on a much larger disc (345mm versus 312mm),
With a 4 pot system you are buying lightness, endurance and 'feel' over a basic OE single piston system, even with £2k worth of AP 4 pots you are still moving the same amount of fluid via the master cylinder, you just get more of a progressive 'feel' due to the staggered way in which the smaller and larger pistons operate :smiley:
The S3 setup is very capable especially when running uprated pads and the weight can be offset by using 340mm TTs discs..
I'm just a tad confused when you intially said 345 then 340 at the end will this not put the caliper out 5mm? Pity they don't look as awesome as the 4 pots :-(
The 345mm disc fitted as standard leaves a lip on the edge of the disc when worn (2mm ish), the TTs disc doesn't have this lip as the pad runs right to the edge (the TTs disc at 340mm is only 2.5mm smaller where the caliper position is concerned - radius not diameter is the key factor)
The TTs disc as Andy says also benefits from having much better cooling vanes and is over 1kg lighter than the 345mm version :smiley:
If you are doing the upgrade for mostly cosmetic reasons then stick with the TTrs setup you have..
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I know a lot of people on Golfmk6.com run TTRS brakes on the GTI. If you're worried about fitment, have you looked at the VWR BBK's? I considered one, just I'm currently unemployed
Jay
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Vmr bbk's?
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I'm not convinced its an "upgrade" swapping single pot for single pot
The S3 setup is a very noticeable upgrade from the stock gti/gtd system...
Yes they may still be single piston sliding calipers but it's a big piston (51mm) acting on a much larger disc (345mm versus 312mm),
With a 4 pot system you are buying lightness, endurance and 'feel' over a basic OE single piston system, even with £2k worth of AP 4 pots you are still moving the same amount of fluid via the master cylinder, you just get more of a progressive 'feel' due to the staggered way in which the smaller and larger pistons operate :smiley:
The S3 setup is very capable especially when running uprated pads and the weight can be offset by using 340mm TTs discs..
I'm just a tad confused when you intially said 345 then 340 at the end will this not put the caliper out 5mm? Pity they don't look as awesome as the 4 pots :-(
The 345mm disc fitted as standard leaves a lip on the edge of the disc when worn (2mm ish), the TTs disc doesn't have this lip as the pad runs right to the edge (the TTs disc at 340mm is only 2.5mm smaller where the caliper position is concerned - radius not diameter is the key factor)
The TTs disc as Andy says also benefits from having much better cooling vanes and is over 1kg lighter than the 345mm version :smiley:
If you are doing the upgrade for mostly cosmetic reasons then stick with the TTrs setup you have..
I know it sounds a waste but is mainly cosmetic to show the car a bit as well as it being my daily just be i nice looking little/big touch lol
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I know it sounds a waste but is mainly cosmetic to show the car a bit as well as it being my daily just be i nice looking little/big touch lol
Nothing wrong with that at all mate :smiley:
I'm just from the 'less show more go' camp lol! :smiley:
You can get brackets for the TTrs calipers that allows the use of the much cheaper 345mm disc, the OE 370mm disc is not only hugely expensive but pretty poor tbh, the 345s can be had for under £90 a pair!
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I know it sounds a waste but is mainly cosmetic to show the car a bit as well as it being my daily just be i nice looking little/big touch lol
Nothing wrong with that at all mate :smiley:
I'm just from the 'less show more go' camp lol! :smiley:
You can get brackets for the TTrs calipers that allows the use of the much cheaper 345mm disc, the OE 370mm disc is not only hugely expensive but pretty poor tbh, the 345s can be had for under £90 a pair!
YES! Useful info brilliant! Nice one mate any idea where to get brackets? Ebay i guess? The 370mm discs are not only expensive they were designed really poorly they are uni-directional meaning in the real world they are both lefts or rights they are only grooved and vented one way so one is cool the other runs hot stupid
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Alex at AKS Tuning is your man, he does the adaptor kit which includes brackets, bolts and lines if needed :smiley:
DaveB aka professor friction aka 'vagbremtechnic' also do the kit (he supplies Alex I believe), but he's a very busy chap so perhaps try Alex in the first instance :smiley:
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Vmr bbk's?
Volkswagen Racing Big Brake Kit :p
http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/vwcore/brake-upgrades-golf-mk-6/
http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/parts/vwr-front-big-brake-kit-18/
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Vmr bbk's?
Volkswagen Racing Big Brake Kit :p
http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/vwcore/brake-upgrades-golf-mk-6/
http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/parts/vwr-front-big-brake-kit-18/
They look expensive
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VWR don't have a floating disc set up
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Vmr bbk's?
Volkswagen Racing Big Brake Kit :p
http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/vwcore/brake-upgrades-golf-mk-6/
http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/parts/vwr-front-big-brake-kit-18/
They look expensive
Probably are haha
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Im still trying to work out Cost vs Performance vs Weight.
If im not tracking it this year and im only at stage one, would decent pads and braided line give a good improvement rather then spending £400 plus on heavier R32 set up or £500 R32 set up with with TTRS discs.
Tough choice
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Decent pads (M1144/DS2500 or PMu/Endless if you're feeling flushed) will give a very noticeable upgrade over the stock items..
312s with the right pads and fresh fluid can and have been used on track by many, they will cope up to a point just fine :smiley:
The R32 setup is often underrated, but with good pads, quality discs (OE or Brembo Premiums) and fresh fluid is a very capable setup for less than the cost of replacement rotors alone on say an AP 4 pot kit, if they extra weight bothers you then offset it with S3 bottom arms and use the TTs discs?
Not sure what you mean with the £500 R32 kit using TTrs discs, they are not compatible together..
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Anyone wanna buy me new brakes? ;p
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Decent pads (M1144/DS2500 or PMu/Endless if you're feeling flushed) will give a very noticeable upgrade over the stock items..
312s with the right pads and fresh fluid can and have been used on track by many, they will cope up to a point just fine :smiley:
The R32 setup is often underrated, but with good pads, quality discs (OE or Brembo Premiums) and fresh fluid is a very capable setup for less than the cost of replacement rotors alone on say an AP 4 pot kit, if they extra weight bothers you then offset it with S3 bottom arms and use the TTs discs?
Not sure what you mean with the £500 R32 kit using TTrs discs, they are not compatible together..
Sorry i meant the 340mm lighter ones.
Well i might go decent pads and braided line with 5.1 fludid for now and see how i get on. Can always upgrade in the future.
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Does 5.1 fluid need changing more often?
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Does 5.1 fluid need changing more often?
To be fair I probably wont end up swapping anyways, I mean it only gives you a higher boiling point and im not going to be tracking more than once in a year.
But to answer the above question, Yes, it does need changing more often as it absorbs water faster than Dot4
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Ok so in a road car you use daily is there a fluid you could use thats better than standard but has the same validity
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Ok so in a road car you use daily is there a fluid you could use thats better than standard but has the same validity
I'd just stick with the OE fluid changed once a year, the stuff that the dealer puts in a Golf is exactly the same as the stuff that goes into a Ceramic braked Audi R8, done via the dealer for £59 with a proper ABS pump purge done via VCDS it's one of the only bargain jobs done via a main dealer imo :smiley:
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Ok so in a road car you use daily is there a fluid you could use thats better than standard but has the same validity
I'd just stick with the OE fluid changed once a year, the stuff that the dealer puts in a Golf is exactly the same as the stuff that goes into a Ceramic braked Audi R8, done via the dealer for £59 with a proper ABS pump purge done via VCDS it's one of the only bargain jobs done via a main dealer imo :smiley:
Abs pump purge??
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The only correct way to do a full fluid change on the mk5/6 is to use VCDS or dealer VAS to cycle the ABS pump to remove all of the old fluid and to prevent the introduction of air :smiley:
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Every days a school day
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Every days a school day
All of what Beddie has said is correct. I always take mine to VW for brake fluid change.
The OEM stuff is great unless you are doing a lot of track day where your brakes it be getting super hot.
Beddie - do you use 5.1 as you track a lot?
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Every days a school day
All of what Beddie has said is correct. I always take mine to VW for brake fluid change.
The OEM stuff is great unless you are doing a lot of track day where your brakes it be getting super hot.
Beddie - do you use 5.1 as you track a lot?
?? I never said he was wrong?
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Every days a school day
All of what Beddie has said is correct. I always take mine to VW for brake fluid change.
The OEM stuff is great unless you are doing a lot of track day where your brakes it be getting super hot.
Beddie - do you use 5.1 as you track a lot?
?? I never said he was wrong?
Lool, I was merely agreeing with him, like nodding my head in conversation, not that you we're wrong :tongue:
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Lol haha ok mate thought you thought i was being sarcastic
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Every days a school day
All of what Beddie has said is correct. I always take mine to VW for brake fluid change.
The OEM stuff is great unless you are doing a lot of track day where your brakes it be getting super hot.
Beddie - do you use 5.1 as you track a lot?
In my old ed30 I always ran Motul RBF600 which is a DOT4 fluid, reasonably cheap and has a dry/wet boiling point higher than quite a few DOT 5.1 fluids, probably had 3 full fluid changes using that and couldn't fault it tbh, since though I have always ran OE fluid changed by the dealer and stuck to once a year or after every 2 track days and it's been spot on tbh :smiley:
For the cost of RBF600 alone I can have the OE fluid supplied fitted and bled and fresh fluid seems to make the most difference in feel terms imo
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Can't get hold of any of the guys that supposedly supply these brackets any help?
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Try emailing Dave for any brake questions or supplying anything to do with braking :smiley:
He is the man :grin:
davebrown.home@btinternet.com
Just supplied these discs for me and a great service
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/2014-04/E359D32B-F8E9-4F37-9D4E-71AE395DA0C5_zpsiaxuojg1.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/NeilGti/media/2014-04/E359D32B-F8E9-4F37-9D4E-71AE395DA0C5_zpsiaxuojg1.jpg.html)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-05/2D47AE0D-CA9D-41CD-8AA1-7645928C9E03_zpseh8iaisx.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/NeilGti/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-05/2D47AE0D-CA9D-41CD-8AA1-7645928C9E03_zpseh8iaisx.jpg.html)
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Thanks mate :smiley:
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Those disc look awesome :cool:
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Mate, unbelieveable got bk to me in 10mins flat with everything i need highly recommend
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Mate, unbelieveable got bk to me in 10mins flat with everything i need highly recommend
Yeah DaveB is the go to man for brakes but he's usually very hard to get hold of as he's a pilot for his day job hence why I said try Alex first, disappointed he didn't get back to you though! :sad:
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Mate, unbelieveable got bk to me in 10mins flat with everything i need highly recommend
Told you he the man :grin:
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Mate, unbelieveable got bk to me in 10mins flat with everything i need highly recommend
Told you he the man :grin:
He's the man!!!