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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Munrohuna on 15 November 2013, 19:34
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Hi folks I am very happy with my gti but with only 700 miles on the clock I find myself looking at the R on a daily basis and contemplating trading up!
My biggest concern is the fact I will obviously lose a lot of money on the gti and as I have been carefully running in the gti and have not yet used the car near to its full potential.
Should I keep the gti and be very happy or order the R in the hope it's gonna be even better??? :undecided:
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you might find someone that does not want to wait get most of your money back on the gti :wink:
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Personally Id at least enjoy your GTI for a bit like a couple of years you have spent the £ already and get the R then, something to look forward to.
I mean when I bought my GTI thats all I wanted and said I would be happy for years and years to come ( I had my previous car for like 10) but now after only 1.5 years I really want the R. So IF I bought the R where does it stop I'm saying now Id be happy with the R for years but would I or would I just start looking somewhere else.
Maybe your different but for me as soon as I get what I want I move on so at lest if you waited as mentioned its something to look forward to enjoy the power you have got then go get some more when you used to it.
My GTI has just been kitted with a nice new engine with 2 years warranty so for me I'm going to hold on to it for that long, then I'm getting an R.
Just hope someone gets one with all the spec listed so I can have it after a few years :grin:
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Hi folks I am very happy with my gti but with only 700 miles on the clock I find myself looking at the R on a daily basis and contemplating trading up!
My biggest concern is the fact I will obviously lose a lot of money on the gti and as I have been carefully running in the gti and have not yet used the car near to its full potential.
Should I keep the gti and be very happy or order the R in the hope it's gonna be even better??? :undecided:
I am the same as you mate, I have just got my gti and I am going to buy an R, just waiting to see how much they will give me in a trade in for march.
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Is there a online price list for the R...?? We are about 1-2 weeks from getting our GTI and the dealer has mentioned a few times they could sell our order the minute it turns up......
Thanks
Ian
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Is there a online price list for the R...?? We are about 1-2 weeks from getting our GTI and the dealer has mentioned a few times they could sell our order the minute it turns up......
Thanks
Ian
Drivethedeal have an online price mate
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Is there a online price list for the R...?? We are about 1-2 weeks from getting our GTI and the dealer has mentioned a few times they could sell our order the minute it turns up......
Thanks
Ian
There's no Configurator, but the VW price list is up to date with R pricing.
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/common/pdf/pricelists/golf-gti-vii-pricelist.pdf
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Thanks guys...
Ian
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Thanks guys think I will phone dealer Monday just to see what they can do for me!
If anyone fancies jumping the queue for a gti let me know, spec as follows,
Pearl black 3dr, Performance pack, dsg, rev cam, keyless entry, service pack and 5 yr warranty.
Car was picked up 1st October, 700 miles on clock and kept in a heated garage. As new condition.
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This thread sounds like a teenager with a 6 month old smart phone....
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I'm interested.
Purchased my GTD thinking it was the cost effective thing to do but a recent irish motoring programme has changed my preconception of petrol.
What would the total cost including VRT cost to import a UK spec car into ROI please.
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honestly i'd keep it for a while especially as competing with the initial batch of dealer demos that are appearing in the classifieds so you are going to wince at residuals
its not like people didn't know the R was coming
if i had one on order i could understand having the conversation
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I ordered the GTi even though I knew about the R.
GTi will be more fun but that's a subjective view. :cool:
I already got a R32 so didn't see the need for a R :rolleyes:
Stick with the GTi and see how the reviews compare the two.
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Thanks guys think I will phone dealer Monday just to see what they can do for me!
If anyone fancies jumping the queue for a gti let me know, spec as follows,
Pearl black 3dr, Performance pack, dsg, rev cam, keyless entry, service pack and 5 yr warranty.
Car was picked up 1st October, 700 miles on clock and kept in a heated garage. As new condition.
5 year warranty? Wishful thinking at the time by the sounds of it!!!! :grin: :grin: :grin:
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I have no idea what the cost would be to import the car to ROI I'm afraid.
I'm thinking I should probably wait to compare the GTI to the R once the R is released.
I remember 6 or so years ago I had a mk5 GTI and my mate had a mk5 R32 and although his car sounded great the GTI just felt more alive and for me a more involved driving experience! I'm sure this was down to the heavy V6 and drivetrain.
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A remap would bring you close to an R and save you £1000's of pounds!
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I have no idea what the cost would be to import the car to ROI I'm afraid.
I'm thinking I should probably wait to compare the GTI to the R once the R is released.
I remember 6 or so years ago I had a mk5 GTI and my mate had a mk5 R32 and although his car sounded great the GTI just felt more alive and for me a more involved driving experience! I'm sure this was down to the heavy V6 and drivetrain.
Correct.... the new Golf R still has a weight disadvantage compared to the GTi. Weight kills the fun in my eyes hence why I didnt bother waiting the 2 months to order the Golf R.
The Golf R will be a nice car but for my uses its overkill.
I ordered my GTi with lots of options, the Golf R would have had less/none so keep at the same budget I was working to.
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However a remapped R just moves the goalposts again!
Weight wise 95kg more than a GTI PP, I nearly bench that it's not that heavy. I personally wouldn't of thought that would be felt through the car.
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However a remapped R just moves the goalposts again!
Weight wise 95kg more than a GTI PP, I nearly bench that it's not that heavy. I personally wouldn't of thought that would be felt through the car.
An extra 95kgs is still more weight...... besides If I did go down the Golf R route I would have to opt for DSG and those mega expensive Nappa seats :cool: which adds more weight.
Lets hope the next GTi gets a carbon tub and body parts to get the weight around the 1200kgs mark.
Whichever way you look at it, weight is a key factor in perfromance, agility and handling.
Every Golf R32 and R to date has under-steered, even the Audi S3 / RS3's act in the same fashion.... this is down to one reason, the Haldex 4WD system. :angry:
As each generation of Haldex develops it gets better.
Which is really more fun, a GTi or R? Depends on what your looking for :laugh:
The Golf R is 95 kgs heavier and has 380nm torque
The Golf GTi is 96 kgs lighter and has 350nm torque.
Not much difference in torque when you factor in the weight. :rolleyes:
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However a remapped R just moves the goalposts again!
Weight wise 95kg more than a GTI PP, I nearly bench that it's not that heavy. I personally wouldn't of thought that would be felt through the car.
An extra 95kgs is still more weight...... besides If I did go down the Golf R route I would have to opt for DSG and those mega expensive Nappa seats :cool: which adds more weight.
Lets hope the next GTi gets a carbon tub and body parts to get the weight around the 1200kgs mark.
Whichever way you look at it, weight is a key factor in perfromance, agility and handling.
Every Golf R32 and R to date has under-steered, even the Audi S3 / RS3's act in the same fashion.... this is down to one reason, the Haldex 4WD system. :angry:
As each generation of Haldex develops it gets better.
Which is really more fun, a GTi or R? Depends on what your looking for :laugh:
The Golf R is 95 kgs heavier and has 380nm torque
The Golf GTi is 96 kgs lighter and has 350nm torque.
Not much difference in torque when you factor in the weight. :rolleyes:
I hear ya but... the 4 wheel drive system will be able to put more usable power down onto the road. Thus utilising most of the 300bhp. The GTI in similar driving conditions may suffer loss of traction under maximum acceleration. Thus not being able to extract all its 220bhp.
Back to the OP. I think @Munrohuna should listen to his gut instinct. However if you do switch you could end up losing a significant chunk if money. If the R was your dream Golf you should really have waited (as Wigit hinted at). Why not keep the GTI for a few years then switch. Should lessen the financial blow.
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The GTI performance pack does not understeer or oversteer (except if you define the laws of physics and drive like an idiot). It does put all the power down with its...transverse Haldex. That's why some journalists blamed VW for it being too sterile. So, in my opinion, the R does not bring any benefit, instead it ups your costs. More fuel (weight and extra friction due to -non-permanent, agreed- 4wd), more CO2 (and thus more taxes) and (the worst for me at least) extra weight (being ~100kg) when driving in the twisties. Also, if you are thinking about tuning, if you read carefully the sites of the well-known and respected tuners, you'll find that the R does not have that huge potential the GTI has, because it has the same engine (ok, bigger turbo) and is already tuned up. On the contrary, an ECU tweak and a CAI is going to provide your GTI PP ~280hp and ~43kgm of torque. Plenty enough and easily put down with the diff (I occasionally drive an mk6 with the same upgrades and -270hp and 41kgm- with no traction issues). If you go upgrading big time on the R, it will show 450hp, but then no Haldex pseudo-4wd will react properly (let alone it's reliability...).
Hope I didn't tire you, just put my own thought down. It's you and what you really want in the end!
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Hi folks I am very happy with my gti but with only 700 miles on the clock I find myself looking at the R on a daily basis and contemplating trading up!
My biggest concern is the fact I will obviously lose a lot of money on the gti and as I have been carefully running in the gti and have not yet used the car near to its full potential.
Should I keep the gti and be very happy or order the R in the hope it's gonna be even better??? :undecided:
This has also been playing on my mind, my wife runs the GTI, it's her car, she picked the spec and traded in her TT, it's only used when she really needs to and only done about 400 miles in 8 weeks.
I've shown her the pictures of the R and she prefers the GTI purely on looks which I suppose is a woman thing (trying not to be too sexist there) but I am sure I could have persuaded her to like the R more!
What really pisses me off is when I start to think of the cost, she wanted leather as the checked seats did not meet her approval, went for PP which I swayed her to and also DCC as she thought it might be a chance to have a softer ride than the TT.
When you look at the R none of the options she chose would be required, no checked seats, loads of horse power and knowing now what I do of DCC she would not pick that either bringing the cost of the R with a very small discount to the same she paid for the GTI :angry:
After much deliberation she is going to keep the GTI for the planned 3 years as she normally does to get reasonable value for money, don't like those huge residual value losses in the first 2 years. I think then she might look at an R or S3.
The thought of losing so much money on a car in 6 months is not good, even if someone knocked on the door now and offered good money she still has to find a car to tide her over to March May next year, plus she actually loves the GTI !
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My plan is to keep the Golf GTi as my daily car.
If I get good money for my Golf R32 then move to a Porsche GT3 as a weekend toy :evil:
But if I had to have one performance car, I would wait for the next Audi RS3 :cool:
The Golf R is not bespoke or unique enough for my tastes.... its just a tuned up GTi engine and its not a real 4WD system.
Stick with the GTi and see whats out in 3-4 years time :rolleyes:
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Funnily enough the reason why I went for the 35 was I didn't fancy a R as money never came into it, on the road the R out performed it but I wanted a GTI, in reality at this time I fancied a R, seems ordering a mk7 has got my wife to start getting her arse in gear and order a more door GTI PP so will be able to see which one I prefer, if it's the GTI my wife will gladly take the keys of the R
Never really get into the remap debate as I'd rather put 300bhp through 4 wheels than 2 based on my own experiences as you can't use mapped power for all the time (I normally turn ours down in winter)
I'll also refrain from the inter web speculation on comparisons till I've driven both, there are enough mk5 fan boys out there who seem the won't have a mk7 based on Tiffs comments lol
GTI and R are different cars which play to their own strengths
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Thanks for your thoughts guys.
Think I will hold on to the GTI after all for a while at least, after all I kept my last one for 4 years and it did everything you would expect from it brilliantly!
I'm sure when the R is released I will get a test drive and see how I like it but in the meantime I'm very happy with the GTI.
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The GTI is just that.
It was always about the best balance of all things including cost (by VW's own definitions of value for money which considering they don't struggle to shift them the must know something we don't).
For me personally paying for my own car and not earning loads of money the GTI is a good blend and to my eyes a better looking car. A lightly modified sensibly specced GTI offers the best £££ per smile factor for me.
Looking at the R forum, R owners are a different type of buyer. Most seem to think nothing of speccing the car very highly so cost to them is insignificant. Words such as speccing the near £2k Nav and DCC just because they think it will be expected when they sell the car on again (and as they are R owners they know R buyers are far more discerning), so it all boils down to £££££
The R is a different niche to the GTI and VW have their marketing about right.
Too many people over the years (and I've been around GTIs and Cupras all my adult life) buy a GTI for its virtues and suddenly want much more out of the car, wrecking the balance of the car and making it something the GTI is not and then move on to something they should have bought in the first place after a very expensive lesson.
Do you have lots of ££££?
Do you have image issues?
Do you need 300bhp
Will you use 300bhp
Do you need 4wd when the PP Haldex is actually quite good unless you're attempting a standing start with both wheels on a slippy surface (not tried that yet as still running in and driving like a granny)?
Everyone is different and only you can make a decision on what your needs are.
I know people on £50k a year who drive round in those Chevrolet Daewoo Matiz's as that suits them.
I'll also refrain from the inter web speculation on comparisons till I've driven both, there are enough mk5 fan boys out there who seem the won't have a mk7 based on Tiffs comments lol
GTI and R are different cars which play to their own strengths
I think a lot of it is sour grapes from the mk5 fan boys Andy! Some of them still have massive issues with the mk6 because the mk5 was the second coming!!! There's nowt like internet car enthusiasts!!
And yes, fully behind you on the GTI and R thoughts. It's nice that we have the choice. When I got into GTIs the choice was - Golf 8v, Jetta 8v or Scirocco 8v and even then there were massive arguments within the VW scene and that's before we got launched into by the air-cooled purists!
It's nicer still if you have both parked outside and just can go with whatever mood you're in!!!! Unfortunately my circumstances don't allow that! :grin: :cool:
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I would be inclined to hold onto the gti for couple of years then switch to an R if you still feel that way inclined. But sometimes heart wins over head :wink:
I intend to get an R in 18 months, but it's by no means on a whim. I passed on an R32 some years ago and always regretted it. Last year (after having two mk5 gti's) I was set to get a mk6 R but my partner preferred the looks of the gti, so I compromised and got that. But, much as I love the gti, the R is still an itch that won't go away. It'll probably be the most expensive car I ever get and I expect I'll be back in gti's at some point in the future, but next time round it's time to scratch that itch! Until then, I'll continue to enjoy the gti :smiley:
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In reality the R is a copied version of the Audi S3. If I was going this way, I would by the authentic one... Sorry, but that's my feelings. After all, after VW dropped the V6 from the R, they offered it as a reskined version of S3.
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Porsche GT3
The above is in an entirely different league to the below
Audi RS3
One is a proper sports car the other is a just fancy shopping car :evil:
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Just been offered a disgracefull trade in price with my new gti against an r from who i bought the car from. So forget the r lol
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Just been offered a disgracefull trade in price with my new gti against an r from who i bought the car from. So forget the r lol
No surprise there, They will want to make at least 5k on a car that'll still have a sticker price of at least £25k for those willing to jump the queue. Keep it 2 years minimum for the depreciation to not feel such a kick in the nads.
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Just been offered a disgracefull trade in price with my new gti against an r from who i bought the car from. So forget the r lol
No surprise there, They will want to make at least 5k on a car that'll still have a sticker price of at least £25k for those willing to jump the queue. Keep it 2 years minimum for the depreciation to not feel such a kick in the nads.
Yes mate i am going to keep my car. With my tuning box there wont be much in it with speed.
Paid £29000 from alan day. 63 plate 5 door dsg perfomance pack 230 with pan roof, sat nav and leather and he said £21000 in march with 4000 miles on it. I think that is a joke. Would have let it go for 23000 but thats an insult.
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Couple of points ,the only way to do an Early GTI to R swop is to sell yourself and buy as best as possible ,been offered
list for mine twice recently , and R deals are drying up a lot of previous R owners are updating .
On performance I came out of a R32 into a new Mk6 GTI for nine months and obviously loved the handling ,then the R
arrived (mk6 ) and all the wheel spin stopped ,the extra grunt was not eaten up by the drive train .
Now back in a GTI Performance ,In the dry it's great ,but magic diff or not ,in the wet an R will be much Quicker ,
the press will sat GTI VFM ,but regardless of what they say Living with 300BHP and a massive wide torque band
in the new R ,which you can put down anywhere ,will make for great " Living With It All Year non messed around
with Driving " That's why Ordered one :cool: :cool:
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Yes mate i am going to keep my car. With my tuning box there wont be much in it with speed.
Paid £29000 from alan day. 63 plate 5 door dsg perfomance pack 230 with pan roof, sat nav and leather and he said £21000 in march with 4000 miles on it. I think that is a joke. Would have let it go for 23000 but thats an insult.
Looks like he is trying to get the discount back he gave you. While there are still people willing to buy nearly newand jump the queue he should get £27k for that. To want to get £6k profit and still make a wedge on the R is a little greedy.
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Yes mate i am going to keep my car. With my tuning box there wont be much in it with speed.
Paid £29000 from alan day. 63 plate 5 door dsg perfomance pack 230 with pan roof, sat nav and leather and he said £21000 in march with 4000 miles on it. I think that is a joke. Would have let it go for 23000 but thats an insult.
Looks like he is trying to get the discount back he gave you. While there are still people willing to buy nearly newand jump the queue he should get £27k for that. To want to get £6k profit and still make a wedge on the R is a little greedy.
Yes i agree. Will just wait and see what he comes back with.
And regarding driving in the wet. The tuning box i have gives the car torque that when i put my foot down in the rain tonight i nearly ended up in the field and that was in 3rd gear. Its far to much for it. Even the remapped ed30 had less torque but i did have better tyres lol but is amazing when it is dry it feels as fast as my ed35 remapped and it was a beast
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Just been offered a disgracefull trade in price with my new gti against an r from who i bought the car from. So forget the r lol
can you not try another dealer or sell it private :smiley:
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Just been offered a disgracefull trade in price with my new gti against an r from who i bought the car from. So forget the r lol
can you not try another dealer or sell it private :smiley:
Yes mate i have tried another dealer so waiting on them getting back to me. I need £23000 in march for my budget. Did not think i would have a problem getting that in a trade in though lol
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Just been offered a disgracefull trade in price with my new gti against an r from who i bought the car from. So forget the r lol
can you not try another dealer or sell it private :smiley:
Yes mate i have tried another dealer so waiting on them getting back to me. I need £23000 in march for my budget. Did not think i would have a problem getting that in a trade in though lol
its a dealer they are all cnuts :smiley:
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Just been offered a disgracefull trade in price with my new gti against an r from who i bought the car from. So forget the r lol
can you not try another dealer or sell it private :smiley:
Yes mate i have tried another dealer so waiting on them getting back to me. I need £23000 in march for my budget. Did not think i would have a problem getting that in a trade in though lol
Yes i agree there mate. Just love ripping you off lol
Just been offered a disgracefull trade in price with my new gti against an r from who i bought the car from. So forget the r lol
can you not try another dealer or sell it private :smiley:
Yes mate i have tried another dealer so waiting on them getting back to me. I need £23000 in march for my budget. Did not think i would have a problem getting that in a trade in though lol
its a dealer they are all cnuts :smiley:
its a dealer they are all cnuts :smiley:
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Just been offered a disgracefull trade in price with my new gti against an r from who i bought the car from. So forget the r lol
can you not try another dealer or sell it private :smiley:
Yes mate i have tried another dealer so waiting on them getting back to me. I need £23000 in march for my budget. Did not think i would have a problem getting that in a trade in though lol
I'm part of group of people in the motor trade on Piston Heads in a secret thread for car sales staff. There's quite a lot of trading which goes down in there (i.e. some Audi Sales Manager bought a £90k R8 off a Mercedes Sales Manager). There's a couple of small traders who run their own small site who may want to take a punt at it. Could always enquire...
If you want to give me the reg and milage
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There is probably a few dealers who would pay decent cash for it ,trouble is that's now not when you eventually
get an R deal delivered and sorted :wink:
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And regarding driving in the wet. The tuning box i have gives the car torque that when i put my foot down in the rain tonight i nearly ended up in the field and that was in 3rd gear. Its far to much for it. Even the remapped ed30 had less torque but i did have better tyres lol but is amazing when it is dry it feels as fast as my ed35 remapped and it was a beast
Do you have Bridgestones fitted to your MK7? I have them on my GTD and they are sh!te in the wet. I gave a tuning box a try on mine and putting your foot down in 3rd made the traction control fight back like a rabid dog. Even back on standard power the wet grip is truly crap.
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And regarding driving in the wet. The tuning box i have gives the car torque that when i put my foot down in the rain tonight i nearly ended up in the field and that was in 3rd gear. Its far to much for it. Even the remapped ed30 had less torque but i did have better tyres lol but is amazing when it is dry it feels as fast as my ed35 remapped and it was a beast
Do you have Bridgestones fitted to your MK7? I have them on my GTD and they are sh!te in the wet. I gave a tuning box a try on mine and putting your foot down in 3rd made the traction control fight back like a rabid dog. Even back on standard power the wet grip is truly crap.
I have cont 2s and they are just as bad. I had them on my ed35 as well and they were awful in the wet and after remap in the rain they were worse. I have 2 new mitchelin 3s to put on the front if i keep the car. I had them on my ed30 and they were amazing in the wet with 300bhp. The totally change the feel and drive of the car.
My mate has bridgeston on his mk6 and your right they are brutal.
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I wonder what tyres come with the 19" Santiago's.
I know Michelin are very good all round tyres and would change to them in the future if the original tyres are pants.
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I wonder what tyres come with the 19" Santiago's.
I know Michelin are very good all round tyres and would change to them in the future if the original tyres are pants.
At replacement time I always go for the Michelins (Pilot Sport 3) at Costco. They’re just under £120 fully fitted right now (18”), and if you time it right there’s usually some fuel card promotion on buying 2 or 4 tyres too. Excellent allround tyre in all weathers, long lasting. If only Michelin designed and built French cars!
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I would leave it a while, I have had my gtd a month now and really missed my old car for the first three weeks...week four its really growing on me...hope this helps
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I would stick with the GTi and enjoy it for a while.
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I would leave it a while, I have had my gtd a month now and really missed my old car for the first three weeks...week four its really growing on me...hope this helps
Yes i think you are right mate. Only had the car 7 weeks. I think its a winter thing lol. I like keeping my car clean.
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However a remapped R just moves the goalposts again!
Weight wise 95kg more than a GTI PP, I nearly bench that it's not that heavy. I personally wouldn't of thought that would be felt through the car.
Go and stick the bar and barbells in the car and you will see nearly 100 kg will have a negative impact on performance, just like having passengers does.
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Just had an email saying it was the underwriter that gave the price of £21000 and he agrees that the figure is far to low. So he is going to ask them to lift the price to what i have asked. He is getting back to me on friday. So we will see lol