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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Exonian on 19 June 2013, 13:46
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For those owners with fire in their bellies, you'll be interested to know that Abt now have a remap available for the GTI in The Fatherland but even more interested to know that they still rate the PP GTI as 10bhp/PS higher after after the remap.
Click link then click on the .pdf files for the power graphs and stats.
http://www.abt-sportsline.de/en/vw-tuning/golf/golf-vii-gti/equipment/
Nice price. :evil: :cry:
Looks to be piggy back ECU too rather than ECU flash, hence a lot of the cost.
I did put up a mk7 modifications thread on here some time ago but can find it now.
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Wow, nearly €2,400 just to knock 0.3 seconds off the 0-100 time and an additional 6mph top end..... seems like an awful lot of money to me for not a lot of extra go ?
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Going from 220 to 290 PS says to me they're being very conservative and I'd imagine the torque figure would mean the in gear performance would be improved massively and quite possibly the rolling performance.
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Going from 220 to 290 PS says to me they're being very conservative and I'd imagine the torque figure would mean the in gear performance would be improved massively and quite possibly the rolling performance.
Do they stipulate manual only at that output? Aren't DSGs only rated to 260PS?
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No you can boost the DSG up higher than the manual as the clutches are beefier and the DSG can be tuned also with its own ECU modifications (not seen these mods released yet - early days).
What surprised me was the fact the modified ECU still rated the PP 10PS higher than the standard GTI. That either spells that ABT are being conservative (typically German) about figures and just publishing a 'worst case' like VW do or there is something else in the PP (unlikely) that is responsible for the extra 10PS.
And then there were those reports the the PP diff (VAS?) could only handle 250 bhp. So the plot thickens!!
Oh, and the fact the two cars have different engine codes. Hmmmm....
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Going from 220 to 290 PS says to me they're being very conservative and I'd imagine the torque figure would mean the in gear performance would be improved massively and quite possibly the rolling performance.
Do they stipulate manual only at that output? Aren't DSGs only rated to 260PS?
Same for the performance pack, specifically the LSD, isn't that also only rated to 260PS?
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Going from 220 to 290 PS says to me they're being very conservative and I'd imagine the torque figure would mean the in gear performance would be improved massively and quite possibly the rolling performance.
Do they stipulate manual only at that output? Aren't DSGs only rated to 260PS?
I hope not otherwise Hurdy is screwed!!! :D
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Ace, 300hp and 420Nm :laugh:
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I still don't get how the LSD is coping with that.
Either VW are wrong about the max power it can handle (bit of a risk) or they've done something to prevent it being overloaded...?
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I still don't get how the LSD is coping with that.
Either VW are wrong about the max power it can handle (bit of a risk) or they've done something to prevent it being overloaded...?
Where did and in what context was this 260hp limit quoted from?
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I still don't get how the LSD is coping with that.
Either VW are wrong about the max power it can handle (bit of a risk) or they've done something to prevent it being overloaded...?
Where did and in what context was this 260hp limit quoted from?
I can't remember actually. I think it was in a vid review somewhere, I will try to find it when I get off work.
However, it is mentioned in the 2nd paragraph of this article:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=27654
Here too:
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/VW-to-unveil-faster-Golf-GTI-at-2013-Worthersee-show/
We talked about it in a thread on here somewhere as well...
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I still don't get how the LSD is coping with that.
Either VW are wrong about the max power it can handle (bit of a risk) or they've done something to prevent it being overloaded...?
Where did and in what context was this 260hp limit quoted from?
I can't remember actually. I think it was in a vid review somewhere, I will try to find it when I get off work.
However, it is mentioned in the 2nd paragraph of this article:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=27654
We talked about it in a thread on here somewhere as well...
Yeah, I'm not really sure that this 260 limit is anything concrete.
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Well, it seems this Dr Hackenberg has stated that the diff can go to ~250bhp sometime around Worthersee. Perhaps he is wrong? (found out, he is head of technical development at Wolfsburg) Or maybe they are understating the capability and ABT know that...
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Well, it seems this Dr Hackenberg has stated that the diff can go to ~250bhp sometime around Worthersee. Perhaps he is wrong? Who is he? Or maybe they are understating the capability and ABT know that...
ABT have been around a long time, if they claim 300hp+420Nm I'm inclined to trust them on it give or take a pony or two. How many times, even when giving it the beans do you think the full 300hp will be going to the wheels while cornering with the dif doing it's thing?
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That is a lot of extra oomph, and, rather conservative gains on the 0-62 etc!? The in gear performance will be terrifying with that amount of torque. I will definitely be doing some sort of remap pretty early. I'm not sure ill be going for the full 300 BHP. A remap to around 260 bhp and a bit of a torque increase would be what I'm after. Noticed they have used a very similar air box to that of the mk5/6. Wonder if it will have the same restrictions. Same of the turbo back exhaust section. Have they upped the bore of it for the new model ?
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The power or torque limits for the diff will be based on statistical distribution of MTBF, and conservative so as to minimise failures within a defined lifetime. If you shift what you consider an acceptable failure rate up a little and the mean lifetime down a bit, I'm sure you can stretch to 300ps without too much concern.
i.e. it's more likely your diff will break, but only a tiny bit.
I'm speculating but I wonder if the 10PS difference is because it's a piggy-back ECU and thus modifying the baseline settings by a percentage only, so if you're 10PS down at the start you'll be about 10-12PS down after tuning.
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The power or torque limits for the diff will be based on statistical distribution of MTBF, and conservative so as to minimise failures within a defined lifetime. If you shift what you consider an acceptable failure rate up a little and the mean lifetime down a bit, I'm sure you can stretch to 300ps without too much concern.
i.e. it's more likely your diff will break, but only a tiny bit.
I'm speculating but I wonder if the 10PS difference is because it's a piggy-back ECU and thus modifying the baseline settings by a percentage only, so if you're 10PS down at the start you'll be about 10-12PS down after tuning.
MTBF? Mean time before failure?
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Aye. I'm channeling my inner engineer...
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Aye. I'm channeling my inner engineer...
So was I. Never heard it before but had to guess that based on the context. I'm surprised I got it, was sure one or two words would be slightly wrong! Haha
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Was there not an article saying that the GTI was already pushing out more than 220 that VW had claimed? If that is indeed the case then the gains that ABT are stating are not as impressive as they may appear
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I think it was an American magazine Car and Driver that put the GTi vs ST. They both did 0-60 in 5.9s. Suggesting the GTI is churning out more than quoted.
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I think it was an American magazine Car and Driver that put the GTi vs ST. They both did 0-60 in 5.9s. Suggesting the GTI is churning out more than quoted.
I think it was 5.6 for the GTI :shocked:
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http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?6055198-Anyone-see-the-GTI-vs-Focus-ST-shootout-in-Car-amp-Driver
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http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?6055198-Anyone-see-the-GTI-vs-Focus-ST-shootout-in-Car-amp-Driver
If you scroll down that page and read the scans within the thread it says 5.6.
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http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?6055198-Anyone-see-the-GTI-vs-Focus-ST-shootout-in-Car-amp-Driver
If you scroll down that page and read the scans within the thread it says 5.6.
Yeh I spotted it Matchboy, was posting for others to have a gander at. Interesting stuff!
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Ah I see :smiley:
Yeah v interesting!
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Never seen a "rolling start" before. I'm wondering why that would be slower than standing start. All I can think of is they used launch mode for standing start?