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Title: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VW BUSH on 22 May 2013, 21:33
Sickening

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303
Title: GRAPHIC IMAGES: Woolwich Terror Attack..... NWS
Post by: VR6Lee on 22 May 2013, 21:50
WARNING! .............. GRAPHIC IMAGES BELOW!!


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Why the fu<k would you let that guy get that close to you!  :shocked:

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Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 22 May 2013, 21:52
Seriously f**ked up.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Toby on 22 May 2013, 21:56
It's horrid!! I love how all the ' racist ' people on Facebook start venting!!  :whistle:

Tw@ts....
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VR6Lee on 22 May 2013, 22:16
It's horrid!! I love how all the ' racist ' people on Facebook start venting!!  :whistle:

Tw@ts....


Tweets are just as bad!

whats this all about?

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Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: F17BAD on 22 May 2013, 22:42
This country needs a serious kick up the arse, these individuals are taking the piss with comments like thiat posted above... They should f**k off to whatever country it is they like to think they are a part of..  See how far that gets them, Cnunts.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: justalex81 on 22 May 2013, 22:42
i'm meant to be in woolwich tomorrow night  :shocked:

the EDL are down there kicking off atm. Expect more rioting and race attacks  :sick:
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: dTEA on 22 May 2013, 22:43
I'm waiting while they confirm he was a soldier as if not he was merely supporting our troops who have been injured and left behind by the government on a crappy financial package. It could have been an average joe wearing that t-shirt. Still not sure what the crashed car is about...presuming that was someone avoiding the body in the road.

P1ssed that they are using my NHS though!!! Shot and then treated.  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Bellend on 22 May 2013, 22:45
I think a bullet is too easy for em.

Need to be slowly sliced to death tbh.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Wazzzer on 22 May 2013, 22:45
There's a right stink kicked up on Twitter about him, and rightly so
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: dTEA on 22 May 2013, 22:46
Oh and those tweets etc...I thought inciting violence of any kind nevermind racist attacks/terror attacks was punishable by law...funny the EDL are now being talked about but not those tweets etc.

And any links with the UKIP polling surge? :whistle:
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: barrym381 on 22 May 2013, 22:52
I'm waiting while they confirm he was a soldier as if not he was merely supporting our troops who have been injured and left behind by the government on a crappy financial package. It could have been an average joe wearing that t-shirt. Still not sure what the crashed car is about...presuming that was someone avoiding the body in the road.

P1ssed that they are using my NHS though!!! Shot and then treated.  :lipsrsealed:
did you not see the news they knocked the poor guy down 1st  :angry: an that twit on twitter is the dregs of the earth going on about the help for heros t-shirt a will be buyin 1 now on the hope 1 day i bump into this c**t wearing it  :angry:
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: justalex81 on 22 May 2013, 22:52
it was a soldier. they used the car to run him over. it was driven by the attackers
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Ginge 35Edition on 22 May 2013, 22:52
I'm waiting while they confirm he was a soldier as if not he was merely supporting our troops who have been injured and left behind by the government on a crappy financial package. It could have been an average joe wearing that t-shirt. Still not sure what the crashed car is about...presuming that was someone avoiding the body in the road.

P1ssed that they are using my NHS though!!! Shot and then treated.  :lipsrsealed:

I think he was ran down by the car first?

Sorry, you guys posted before id replied.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VR6Lee on 22 May 2013, 22:57
i'm meant to be in woolwich tomorrow night  :shocked:

the EDL are down there kicking off atm. Expect more rioting and race attacks  :sick:

Yes your right!
Hot off the press pic in Woolwich now 


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Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VW BUSH on 22 May 2013, 23:01
I'm waiting while they confirm he was a soldier as if not he was merely supporting our troops who have been injured and left behind by the government on a crappy financial package. It could have been an average joe wearing that t-shirt. Still not sure what the crashed car is about...presuming that was someone avoiding the body in the road.

P1ssed that they are using my NHS though!!! Shot and then treated.  :lipsrsealed:

I think he was ran down by the car first?

Indeed, that's what the witness reports are saying.
Sadly London is full of young black and Asian Muslims with a chip on their shoulder,  does not take much to manipulate them into this sort of behaviour for political gains.
Same kind of mentality as the people in the EDL....

Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VR6Lee on 22 May 2013, 23:15
(http://i.imgur.com/VfqL74O.png)

This scumbag always tries to justify brutal events in the West just because they're happening elsewhere  :angry:
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VR6Lee on 22 May 2013, 23:20
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Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: golf-sib on 23 May 2013, 00:58
I work for the court round the corner  :lipsrsealed: Lets say its been a fun day, we knew things where up when India 99 (police helicopter) wasn't leaving as that thing is noisey as hell even when its 400yards away and high in the sky.

It will be interesting to see how things turn out, I love all the people calling up saying Woolwich is a nice place, yeah right its as big of a hell hole as croydon and Lewisham sadly, with only the riots being there last year and the chaos it caused. Lets say the least is yet over, considering you have a mosque 1km down the road which police and armed police are always frequently at, you have Belmarsh prison and Woolwich crown court which are both considered the highest in rank and terrorism cases and inmates 2km away, with 10 armed police always on standby 24/7.Then you have a 90% african population in woolwich as well. This incident was about 2.15pm, by 4.30pm local black communities of various ages had gathered in huge gangs all over the place and town centre. Now you have all the white people protesting and throwing bottles from about 7.00pm. I'd like to say its all over but I don't think it is yet, considering road closures are still estimated to continue tomorrow.

But it has been a crazy day, my impression is it was pre planned, just the victim was random, the car was full of weapons, they hit and ran the guy over, only to come out and finish him by beheading with knives/cleavers, the police station is only 200m away and they turned up straight away from the 999 responses and the terrorists where just making a scene with the presence of a firearm at their disposal encouraging people to film and take pictures at what they did. It took 20min for armed police to turn up upon arriving both terrorists decided to charge out upon the armed police, only to be shot.

The sad thing is a primary school is right next door to this and the kids heard and saw some of this mess and had to be confined to a lock down.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: davemk4 on 23 May 2013, 07:19
The world we now live in is disgusting. These vile god lovers should bevremoved from this world end of. Why are we paying to save there lifes when they ended someone elses so painfully i dred to think what the poor guy went through.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: DubFan on 23 May 2013, 12:36
Why are we paying to save there lives when they ended someone else so painfully ?

Because we have a justice system and they can't be punished if they are dead.

I live 2 miles from where this happened. Woolwich itself has a bad reputation, but it's not representative of the area.

This attack was down to two individual extremists, they used Islam as part of their justification, but they don't represent the religion as a whole, just like the KKK don't represent Christians.
The 2 guys were bent on making a point, hence why they wanted to be filmed and waited for Police.
Blaming immigation is just the EDL's stock response. They might have been of Nigerian descent, but the guy on film had a London accent, so he had clearly been brought up here.

It's a horrific tragedy, but the EDL need to calm down. Going about wearing masks, throwing bottles and causing trouble does not help anyone and certainly won't help the Police do their job.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: scarr89 on 23 May 2013, 12:41
I hope the EDL are there thugs don't take away from the horrific crime which was committed.

This highlights a terror & extremist threat, not a immigration policy threat; no matter however debatable that policy may be.



Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VW BUSH on 23 May 2013, 13:57
Why are we paying to save there lives when they ended someone else so painfully ?

Because we have a justice system and they can't be punished if they are dead.

I live 2 miles from where this happened. Woolwich itself has a bad reputation, but it's not representative of the area.

This attack was down to two individual extremists, they used Islam as part of their justification, but they don't represent the religion as a whole, just like the KKK don't represent Christians.
The 2 guys were bent on making a point, hence why they wanted to be filmed and waited for Police.
Blaming immigation is just the EDL's stock response. They might have been of Nigerian descent, but the guy on film had a London accent, so he had clearly been brought up here.

It's a horrific tragedy, but the EDL need to calm down. Going about wearing masks, throwing bottles and causing trouble does not help anyone and certainly won't help the Police do their job.

EDL are dicks and half as clever.
As said that guy had a london/southern accent so was brought up here and most likely radicalised in one of the many back street Mosques and Islamic centres we have here in london.
Born and brought up in south London so I can say that the influx of too many migrants in too small a space and time will breed this hatred on both sides for many years to come, the minority whites become bitter and the majority ethnic do not respect or adopt british custom and rebel, history repeating itself again and as always worse every cycle it repeats dragging down people and area's alike.
Too many people and too many with different opinions and beliefs, no money, no prospects.

Labour, Tory, Ukip, Libs, all have avoided saying what most of us know because it is not PC but statisticly the more Muslims you have crammed into the estates and country the more chance of extremists within their ranks. To bleet on about sorting out immigration now is just because public opinion has leaned towards it due to this sort of thing and the step change in our local area's and culture.
This should have been tackled after all the problems in the 70's and 80's but most wont touch anything that involves risking being called a racist. Instead the MP's pretend from their big houses with duck ponds that we are a melting pot of culture, they dont see the lack of emulsion as we try to mix thousands of people in deprived areas and only succeed in making Ghetto comunities of folk who have English as a poor second language with no feeling of being English or British.
Combine this with our dubious foriegn policy you have a tinder box in your hands.



This is the future of terrorism, armed attacks are what the forces are training for. we should be thankful guns and ammo are hard to come by in this country......
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: golf-sib on 23 May 2013, 14:37
Why are we paying to save there lives when they ended someone else so painfully ?

Because we have a justice system and they can't be punished if they are dead.

I live 2 miles from where this happened. Woolwich itself has a bad reputation, but it's not representative of the area.

This attack was down to two individual extremists, they used Islam as part of their justification, but they don't represent the religion as a whole, just like the KKK don't represent Christians.
The 2 guys were bent on making a point, hence why they wanted to be filmed and waited for Police.
Blaming immigation is just the EDL's stock response. They might have been of Nigerian descent, but the guy on film had a London accent, so he had clearly been brought up here.

It's a horrific tragedy, but the EDL need to calm down. Going about wearing masks, throwing bottles and causing trouble does not help anyone and certainly won't help the Police do their job.

EDL are dicks and half as clever.
As said that guy had a london/southern accent so was brought up here and most likely radicalised in one of the many back street Mosques and Islamic centres we have here in london.
Born and brought up in south London so I can say that the influx of too many migrants in too small a space and time will breed this hatred on both sides for many years to come, the minority whites become bitter and the majority ethnic do not respect or adopt british custom and rebel, history repeating itself again and as always worse every cycle it repeats dragging down people and area's alike.
Too many people and too many with different opinions and beliefs, no money, no prospects.

Labour, Tory, Ukip, Libs, all have avoided saying what most of us know because it is not PC but statisticly the more Muslims you have crammed into the estates and country the more chance of extremists within their ranks. To bleet on about sorting out immigration now is just because public opinion has leaned towards it due to this sort of thing and the step change in our local area's and culture.
This should have been tackled after all the problems in the 70's and 80's but most wont touch anything that involves risking being called a racist. Instead the MP's pretend from their big houses with duck ponds that we are a melting pot of culture, they dont see the lack of emulsion as we try to mix thousands of people in deprived areas and only succeed in making Ghetto comunities of folk who have English as a poor second language with no feeling of being English or British.
Combine this with our dubious foriegn policy you have a tinder box in your hands.



This is the future of terrorism, armed attacks are what the forces are training for. we should be thankful guns and ammo are hard to come by in this country......

Completely agree with G W Bush, I grew up in SE London, and got out when I could as the population of the mix ethics grew into the same area that never expanded. Problems arose more and more drastically, from hate preachers setting up on a field with a sound system you could hear over a mile away in the concrete jungle called thamesmead, to an increase in racial crimes which just fuelled more anger, more hate and more problems. Creating a bigger gap in communities.

It will only continue growing this problem as Greater London is growing at a rapid rate, but technology as much as it helps the greater good it also serves as a mean of creating more crimes, the UK is at the moment heavily concerned about 3D printers with ability to be able to print a gun to any one, affordably, in the next two decades being a high probability to a nation where firearms are reasonably hard to get hold of.

Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Mr Blue on 23 May 2013, 14:42
my impression is it was pre planned, just the victim was random, the car was full of weapons, they hit and ran the guy over, only to come out and finish him by beheading with knives/cleavers,

Thought the same.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: simonpolly on 23 May 2013, 15:04
Putin’s Speech on 4 February, 2013
 This is one time our elected leaders should pay attention to the advice of Vladimir Putin....how scary is that?
 On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:
 "In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation.
 The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.”

 The Russian politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: golf-sib on 23 May 2013, 15:25
Russia is a different story all together with many other problems and a very different mind set of the general population. I could talk about it but rather not get into it as threads like this usually start to spiral out of control.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Gti_Jamo on 23 May 2013, 16:29
 :sick:
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 23 May 2013, 20:18
If I was a crazed Islamist out to make a point I would not use a Vauxhall Tigra.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: barrym381 on 23 May 2013, 20:29
If I was a crazed Islamist out to make a point I would not use a Vauxhall Tigra.
think the choice of car is the last thing these 2 cockroaches thought of tbh  :angry:
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Sam on 23 May 2013, 21:04
Putin’s Speech on 4 February, 2013
 This is one time our elected leaders should pay attention to the advice of Vladimir Putin....how scary is that?
 On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:
 "In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation.
 The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.”

 The Russian politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.


I believe that Kim jong Un made a similar speech about North Korea only a few weeks ago, doesn't make it right though.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: sharki786 on 23 May 2013, 21:25
This is the latest. Before WE ALL go on, we should study the facts and evidence and try not listen to the media as they are the one who are behind this bolox

London butcher incident; It's is a hoax And this is the link to reveal it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDd9cwqoni8&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDd9cwqoni8&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Check this out and share with others.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 23 May 2013, 22:20
Very interesting and unsurprising video. As soon as i saw the clip on TV I made comment in regards of the lack of blood.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VR6Lee on 23 May 2013, 22:40
Very interesting and unsurprising video. As soon as i saw the clip on TV I made comment in regards of the lack of blood.


When they run over him they dragged him and hacked him under the tree where the pool of blood is, then they dragged him to the middle of the road, note the trail of blood from under the tree to where the forensic tent is placed over the body.

(http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/resources/images/2461736.jpg)
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VW BUSH on 23 May 2013, 22:52
Yep guy is a douche bag
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VR6Lee on 23 May 2013, 23:00
Is the government emergency meeting COBRA a sponsored meeting?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BK5xfQyCQAAteWv.jpg)
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: scarr89 on 23 May 2013, 23:22
This is the latest. Before WE ALL go on, we should study the facts and evidence and try not listen to the media as they are the one who are behind this bolox

London butcher incident; It's is a hoax And this is the link to reveal it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDd9cwqoni8&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDd9cwqoni8&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Check this out and share with others.

Both of you are idiots.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 23 May 2013, 23:31
If I was a crazed Islamist out to make a point I would not use a Vauxhall Tigra.
think the choice of car is the last thing these 2 cockroaches thought of tbh  :angry:

As this is a car forum I think the choice of car is important.  Tigras are stupid little horrors.  Just like the driver and passenger that knocked down the soldier from Middleton.  Lock up all Tigra drivers and ensure we all sleep soundly tonight.
Heil GTI.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VR6Lee on 23 May 2013, 23:58
I hope the EDL are there thugs don't take away from the horrific crime which was committed.

This highlights a terror & extremist threat, not a immigration policy threat; no matter however debatable that policy may be.

This made me  :grin:

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Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 24 May 2013, 00:05
Can't stand Électricité de France.  EDF scum.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Bellend on 24 May 2013, 01:04
Why would it be a hoax, why would they do it?

Same with the Boston thing.

:undecided:
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: golf-sib on 24 May 2013, 09:23
A hoax my a$$, I can confirm it was real as I work round the corner and was on scene chatting to police.

Woolwich feels very strange now and very empty since this incident two days ago. The scary thing was I came off my motorbike hard that morning and when I eventually got to work I was adamant I would pop down a&e at Queen Elizabeth hospital at midday, which on return would of meant I would of walked back into this mess and it could of been any other male. Luckily work talked me out and let me go to the hospital first thing in the morning.

My partner's grandmother also works on them barracks as well, its not till something really close to you in terms of work and living happens like this that you actually take it deeply into account.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: justalex81 on 24 May 2013, 13:17
video of the police shooting them has been released. put about 5 into one of them
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VW BUSH on 24 May 2013, 15:03
video of the police shooting them has been released. put about 5 into one of them
5 times the compensation then....
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Mr Blue on 24 May 2013, 15:10
Spot the man...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsEWgKttC9A
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Gti_Jamo on 24 May 2013, 15:19
The whole thing is ridiculous, all those people and cars just sitting there, some of which filming it with their stupid mobile phones - doing nothing but standing like mannequins. To add to that we have endless blogs and comments on every news site and every forum known to man of your average joes talking rubbish about something they know nothing about with educations that stretch as far as the television allows. Some of their opinions are shocking like, makes me ashamed to be a human sometimes. Its all - look after our own country and fcuk everyone else mentality. Getting all emotional because it was a soldier and that were supposed to be all proud or shut up. Surely this only adds to the problem. Incidents like these should have limited coverage and kept out the spotlight for the sake of everyone. Extremists like to have their message spread around the world its it certainly has been now. Also not a mention of the 10 year old Afghan boy stabbed in the kidney by a drunk british soldier in 2011, jailed for 10 years this week. I'm doubtful this one was a hoax, but their is very limited info at the moment. I have learned not to believe nothing from mainstream media and nor should anyone.

Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VW BUSH on 24 May 2013, 15:57
The whole thing is ridiculous, all those people and cars just sitting there, some of which filming it with their stupid mobile phones - doing nothing but standing like mannequins. To add to that we have endless blogs and comments on every news site and every forum known to man of your average joes talking rubbish about something they know nothing about with educations that stretch as far as the television allows. Some of their opinions are shocking like, makes me ashamed to be a human sometimes. Its all - look after our own country and fcuk everyone else mentality. Getting all emotional because it was a soldier and that were supposed to be all proud or shut up. Surely this only adds to the problem. Incidents like these should have limited coverage and kept out the spotlight for the sake of everyone. Extremists like to have their message spread around the world its it certainly has been now. Also not a mention of the 10 year old Afghan boy stabbed in the kidney by a drunk british soldier in 2011, jailed for 10 years this week. I'm doubtful this one was a hoax, but their is very limited info at the moment. I have learned not to believe nothing from mainstream media and nor should anyone.

Well said, but how you stop the spotlight from homing in these days is beyond me.
This is no hoax, I saw the footage of the woman with trolley walking past the killer before they cut it and thought jeez she's not seen him.
Again thats the culture we live in, folk stand by and watch all manner of horrific things without getting involved these days
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: golf-sib on 24 May 2013, 16:05
Most people refuse to help as they don't want to get involved. look at when motorcyclists come off, I've seen people start beeping because he is taking too long to get up and get traffic flowing regardless if he has come off on his own accord or other reasons and may have broken a bone(s) or any other serious injuries. What about when fights or muggings occur in broad daylight with witnesses, its very rare for people to get involved. Even when police put signs out requesting for witnesses most people who are key witnesses do not come forward, in some cases not any witnesses Same when cars break down etc...

So its no real surprise, people see no need to get involved and usually have an excuse, like "that person should of had break down cover" or "if he was getting mugged he should of called the police", when really ringing the police could of ended up with muggers seriously hurting the subject in question.

Then you get people who are worried of getting hurt, look a few months back to inner London crown court, a man got stabbed just before he entered the court doors by a big group due to being a witness against the gang or a group of a few members.

Then you get the other public opinion of why bother? That person won't get anything. I was attacked randomly once, stood my ground, got the persons details from his vehicle and suffered permanent nerve damage in my hand, you could tell he was also well over the limit, ontop of this he claimed to be a police officer. Police traced him down 4days later as he was using a friend's/relative's car, the drink driving they couldn't proove, they refused to come out on the time of the incident as they did not see it being urgent. By the time they found him they had no evidence of drink charges, followed by all they could do was make an arrest, issue a warning and force him to write the most lamest unsympathetic letter addressed to me.

So no surprise. But when you get caught of doing 32 in a 30 zone and end up with 3points and a fine because the police wanted to enforce the limit your blood boils as you have always been a good law abiding citizen when all the above happens, imagine what kind of public opinion people end up with?
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Mitching on 24 May 2013, 16:07
The whole thing is ridiculous, all those people and cars just sitting there, some of which filming it with their stupid mobile phones - doing nothing but standing like mannequins. To add to that we have endless blogs and comments on every news site and every forum known to man of your average joes talking rubbish about something they know nothing about with educations that stretch as far as the television allows. Some of their opinions are shocking like, makes me ashamed to be a human sometimes. Its all - look after our own country and fcuk everyone else mentality. Getting all emotional because it was a soldier and that were supposed to be all proud or shut up. Surely this only adds to the problem. Incidents like these should have limited coverage and kept out the spotlight for the sake of everyone. Extremists like to have their message spread around the world its it certainly has been now. Also not a mention of the 10 year old Afghan boy stabbed in the kidney by a drunk british soldier in 2011, jailed for 10 years this week. I'm doubtful this one was a hoax, but their is very limited info at the moment. I have learned not to believe nothing from mainstream media and nor should anyone.
I see what you mean, and I agree that the mainstream media fuel so many issues.
However, I also think that these 'terrorists' that want the publicity, if ignored, won't stop and will keep getting more and more serious until they do something catastrophic.
There's already news local to me of a Mosque being petrol bombed last night.

I think we just live in a nation that is filled with complete f**king idiots that are incapable of thinking with the slightest bit of logic and have no concept of consequences.

Personally, I don't agree with religion at all, I think it's outdated and unnecessary. But I think everyone's entitled to their opinions, as long as it has no direct affect on myself. And anyone with extreme views on anything can go f**k a lawnmower or something.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: R5MEE on 24 May 2013, 17:21
f**k. The arsehole running at the police car, officer was allowed to get pretty damned close
 Id have shot the thingy a lot sooner
 
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Gti_Jamo on 24 May 2013, 17:59
Its so sad like.....this is the sort of thing that will eventually end the human race. The old Carl Sagan quote,

''A new consciousness is developing which sees the earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with itself is doomed''

People of this world need to get their sh!t together before its too late.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Gavv8 on 24 May 2013, 18:11
The whole thing is ridiculous, all those people and cars just sitting there, some of which filming it with their stupid mobile phones - doing nothing but standing like mannequins. To add to that we have endless blogs and comments on every news site and every forum known to man of your average joes talking rubbish about something they know nothing about with educations that stretch as far as the television allows. Some of their opinions are shocking like, makes me ashamed to be a human sometimes. Its all - look after our own country and fcuk everyone else mentality. Getting all emotional because it was a soldier and that were supposed to be all proud or shut up. Surely this only adds to the problem. Incidents like these should have limited coverage and kept out the spotlight for the sake of everyone. Extremists like to have their message spread around the world its it certainly has been now. Also not a mention of the 10 year old Afghan boy stabbed in the kidney by a drunk british soldier in 2011, jailed for 10 years this week. I'm doubtful this one was a hoax, but their is very limited info at the moment. I have learned not to believe nothing from mainstream media and nor should anyone.
I see what you mean, and I agree that the mainstream media fuel so many issues.
However, I also think that these 'terrorists' that want the publicity, if ignored, won't stop and will keep getting more and more serious until they do something catastrophic.
There's already news local to me of a Mosque being petrol bombed last night.

I think we just live in a nation that is filled with complete f**king idiots that are incapable of thinking with the slightest bit of logic and have no concept of consequences.

Personally, I don't agree with religion at all, I think it's outdated and unnecessary. But I think everyone's entitled to their opinions, as long as it has no direct affect on myself. And anyone with extreme views on anything can go f**k a lawnmower or something.
This^...the vast majority of suffering and death down through history has been caused by or in the name of religion, the world would be a fairer ..spiritually wealthier and more tolerant place without this morally bankrupt edifice weighing everyones conscience down.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Seanl on 24 May 2013, 18:40
The whole thing is ridiculous, all those people and cars just sitting there, some of which filming it with their stupid mobile phones - doing nothing but standing like mannequins. To add to that we have endless blogs and comments on every news site and every forum known to man of your average joes talking rubbish about something they know nothing about with educations that stretch as far as the television allows. Some of their opinions are shocking like, makes me ashamed to be a human sometimes. Its all - look after our own country and fcuk everyone else mentality. Getting all emotional because it was a soldier and that were supposed to be all proud or shut up. Surely this only adds to the problem. Incidents like these should have limited coverage and kept out the spotlight for the sake of everyone. Extremists like to have their message spread around the world its it certainly has been now. Also not a mention of the 10 year old Afghan boy stabbed in the kidney by a drunk british soldier in 2011, jailed for 10 years this week. I'm doubtful this one was a hoax, but their is very limited info at the moment. I have learned not to believe nothing from mainstream media and nor should anyone.
I see what you mean, and I agree that the mainstream media fuel so many issues.
However, I also think that these 'terrorists' that want the publicity, if ignored, won't stop and will keep getting more and more serious until they do something catastrophic.
There's already news local to me of a Mosque being petrol bombed last night.

I think we just live in a nation that is filled with complete f**king idiots that are incapable of thinking with the slightest bit of logic and have no concept of consequences.

Personally, I don't agree with religion at all, I think it's outdated and unnecessary. But I think everyone's entitled to their opinions, as long as it has no direct affect on myself. And anyone with extreme views on anything can go f**k a lawnmower or something.
This^...the vast majority of suffering and death down through history has been caused by or in the name of religion, the world would be a fairer ..spiritually wealthier and more tolerant place without this morally bankrupt edifice weighing everyones conscience down.


I also agree with this, but not with the original post. If I was there and could have done something about it, I would have. But the fact is that these sickos were wielding ducking meat cleaners! I'll bet my left bollock that the op wouldn't have done anything in that situation! Now if I was one of the Police Officers, I would have had a go. Even with just a baton, it would have offered some protection. And with a good hit from one of them, believe me they wouldn't be able to grip anything for a long time! Problem with the armed response was that they were subject to the same ROE as the MOD staff on the barracks gate were. They were not an imminent (further) threat to human life, so their hands were tied by beaurocratic Bollox until they were charged.
As a serviceman myself, this feels very raw, and makes you think that this could happen to any base anywhere in the country. We were told yesterday morning not to wear uniform off base, then made a swift :-)turn by COP the same day after a lot of complaints, that the only way to defeat terrorists was to carry on as normal. I don't wear uniform outside of work apart from if I'm driving in and out anyway, but this is obviously a very real threat, and always has been as far back as when the IRA were a major issue. Precaution is the only way, however unfortunate it is that we have to resort to it in our own country.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Gti_Jamo on 24 May 2013, 19:07
You misunderstood. I'm not talking about 1 person going in and tackling them single handed because that would just be stupid. Its the whole swarm of people there who could have easily worked together and ended it prematurely and i would have been well up for joining in.

And also while our country is still dropping bombs on other countries causing unnecessary suffering this will never stop happening. We can't have it both ways.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: justalex81 on 24 May 2013, 19:20
That kid was dead before anybody knew what was going on. The ran him over at speed and hacked him up as soon as they were out of the car.

They had a gun and various knives. If 10 people ran at them, at least one of those 10 would get hurt. Whose gonna risk their life with those odds?
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Gti_Jamo on 24 May 2013, 19:27
How can you possible assume that. the human body is quite remarkable at dealing with trauma and clinging onto life. Why would a large group of people be standing around filming a maniac with a gun? That makes no sense.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VW BUSH on 24 May 2013, 19:30


You say that we are all Gods' children, can you please explain -
how any father could inflict his children so much pain.
I'm sure he finds it funny - but I fail to see the joke,
I bet he'll piss his breeches when we all go up in smoke.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Seanl on 24 May 2013, 19:37
You misunderstood. I'm not talking about 1 person going in and tackling them single handed because that would just be stupid. Its the whole swarm of people there who could have easily worked together and ended it prematurely and i would have been well up for joining in.

And also while our country is still dropping bombs on other countries causing unnecessary suffering this will never stop happening. We can't have it both ways.


That's utter dross too! You cannot justify taking a person's life because of something beyond their control! These two animals have probably never even been to a country of Muslim origin!
It doesn't make it OK because it's happening somewhere else ffs. It's not like bombs are intentionally being dropped on random public places or even legitimate military compounds! It's a war on terrorists, who are intent on doing things like this, to people like you!
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Ginge 35Edition on 24 May 2013, 19:42
My mate was one of the SO19 cars first on scene, he said it was horrific and he's seen some horrible sh!t. Nuff said, I just feel for his family and you guys who live down there as it ain't gonna get any better.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Gti_Jamo on 24 May 2013, 19:54
You misunderstood. I'm not talking about 1 person going in and tackling them single handed because that would just be stupid. Its the whole swarm of people there who could have easily worked together and ended it prematurely and i would have been well up for joining in.

And also while our country is still dropping bombs on other countries causing unnecessary suffering this will never stop happening. We can't have it both ways.


That's utter dross too! You cannot justify taking a person's life because of something beyond their control! These two animals have probably never even been to a country of Muslim origin!
It doesn't make it OK because it's happening somewhere else ffs. It's not like bombs are intentionally being dropped on random public places or even legitimate military compounds! It's a war on terrorists, who are intent on doing things like this, to people like you!

Don't start ranting at me please, its not nice. I'm not justifying it...or talking about individual cases. I'm just saying. Lots of people, hundreds of thousands of civilians have died in the middle east as a direct result of our and the US invasion.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VW BUSH on 24 May 2013, 20:00
You misunderstood. I'm not talking about 1 person going in and tackling them single handed because that would just be stupid. Its the whole swarm of people there who could have easily worked together and ended it prematurely and i would have been well up for joining in.

And also while our country is still dropping bombs on other countries causing unnecessary suffering this will never stop happening. We can't have it both ways.


That's utter dross too! You cannot justify taking a person's life because of something beyond their control! These two animals have probably never even been to a country of Muslim origin!
It doesn't make it OK because it's happening somewhere else ffs. It's not like bombs are intentionally being dropped on random public places or even legitimate military compounds! It's a war on terrorists, who are intent on doing things like this, to people like you!

Don't start ranting at me please, its not nice. I'm not justifying it...or talking about individual cases. I'm just saying. Lots of people, hundreds of thousands of civilians have died in the middle east as a direct result of our and the US invasion.
In lands where everyone is fighting each other it does not take much to find a common enemy
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Seanl on 24 May 2013, 20:04
You're obviously uneducated on the fact, and I'm not ranting. I'm pointing out that your views and figures are inaccurate. No western country in recent history has ever gone out with the express intention of harming the innocent public. Its a sad fact that accidents do happen, but hundreds of thousands! Get real! These extemists don't just single out the military do they. Or have you forgotten how many people died on 9/11 and 7/7! You need to remember that those affected were people just like you, or your loved ones. I'm sure you'd have different views if someone you knew personally was affected by an atrocity like this!
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: davemk4 on 24 May 2013, 20:07
 :smug:
Most people refuse to help as they don't want to get involved. look at when motorcyclists come off, I've seen people start beeping because he is taking too long to get up and get traffic flowing regardless if he has come off on his own accord or other reasons and may have broken a bone(s) or any other serious injuries. What about when fights or muggings occur in broad daylight with witnesses, its very rare for people to get involved. Even when police put signs out requesting for witnesses most people who are key witnesses do not come forward, in some cases not any witnesses Same when cars break down etc...

So its no real surprise, people see no need to get involved and usually have an excuse, like "that person should of had break down cover" or "if he was getting mugged he should of called the police", when really ringing the police could of ended up with muggers seriously hurting the subject in question.

Then you get people who are worried of getting hurt, look a few months back to inner London crown court, a man got stabbed just before he entered the court doors by a big group due to being a witness against the gang or a group of a few members.

Then you get the other public opinion of why bother? That person won't get anything. I was attacked randomly once, stood my ground, got the persons details from his vehicle and suffered permanent nerve damage in my hand, you could tell he was also well over the limit, ontop of this he claimed to be a police officer. Police traced him down 4days later as he was using a friend's/relative's car, the drink driving they couldn't proove, they refused to come out on the time of the incident as they did not see it being urgent. By the time they found him they had no evidence of drink charges, followed by all they could do was make an arrest, issue a warning and force him to write the most lamest unsympathetic letter addressed to me.

So no surprise. But when you get caught of doing 32 in a 30 zone and end up with 3points and a fine because the police wanted to enforce the limit your blood boils as you have always been a good law abiding citizen when all the above happens, imagine what kind of public opinion people end up with?

couldnt agree more. it the not the case of people not wanting to help alot is down to risk of injury to self repercussions etc, what point police wont do out etc
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: davemk4 on 24 May 2013, 20:09
statement awful to watch  :cry:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22654220
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Gti_Jamo on 24 May 2013, 20:38
You're obviously uneducated on the fact, and I'm not ranting. I'm pointing out that your views and figures are inaccurate. No western country in recent history has ever gone out with the express intention of harming the innocent public. Its a sad fact that accidents do happen, but hundreds of thousands! Get real! These extemists don't just single out the military do they. Or have you forgotten how many people died on 9/11 and 7/7! You need to remember that those affected were people just like you, or your loved ones. I'm sure you'd have different views if someone you knew personally was affected by an atrocity like this!

Please, do some research on the figures. I'm not saying that in a bad way, just have a wee look if you can. Of course governments who fight wars don't keep body counts but other institutions do based on military reports and various other sources. Its excessive by the looks of it. I'm not uneducated, and do care very much for the safety of all the good people in this world regardless of race, religion etc and spend a fair bit of time keeping tabs on this kind of information. It matters. This war on terror is striving for security and peace, apparently, but yet is disrupting so many innocent people lives for the cause. They have loved ones too. They then look to seek revenge, creating more terrorists, and it goes on and on and on. I don't live in fear, worrying about what may happen in the future, but rather whats happening now. I don't really want to reply back so we'll let it get back on topic.

statement awful to watch  :cry:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22654220

Really Sad.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VR6Lee on 24 May 2013, 20:55
You misunderstood. I'm not talking about 1 person going in and tackling them single handed because that would just be stupid. Its the whole swarm of people there who could have easily worked together and ended it prematurely and i would have been well up for joining in.

And also while our country is still dropping bombs on other countries causing unnecessary suffering this will never stop happening. We can't have it both ways.


That's utter dross too! You cannot justify taking a person's life because of something beyond their control! These two animals have probably never even been to a country of Muslim origin!
It doesn't make it OK because it's happening somewhere else ffs. It's not like bombs are intentionally being dropped on random public places or even legitimate military compounds! It's a war on terrorists, who are intent on doing things like this, to people like you!

Don't start ranting at me please, its not nice. I'm not justifying it...or talking about individual cases. I'm just saying. Lots of people, hundreds of thousands of civilians have died in the middle east as a direct result of our and the US invasion.

FFS UK Do Gooders fu<k your country up!    :lipsrsealed:

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2zg6jyx.jpg)
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 24 May 2013, 21:32
Are we fighting terrorists in the Middle East or fighting for oil?
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: golf-sib on 24 May 2013, 21:36
Fighting to lower human population as we are growing at a quick rate "like a virus with shoes - bill hicks"
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: scarr89 on 24 May 2013, 21:44
Are we fighting terrorists in the Middle East or fighting for oil?

Bit of both...Maybe.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VR6Lee on 24 May 2013, 22:27
Police charging the EDL then foiled by a foot high hedge  :laugh:  :whistle:

(http://i.minus.com/iN0hyUt66Rljx.gif)

Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: dTEA on 25 May 2013, 10:15
Fighting to lower human population as we are growing at a quick rate "like a virus with shoes - bill hicks"
aint that the truth. And the powers don't want those Muslim countries to overtake us now do they. Oh and the oil is a bonus.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VR6Lee on 25 May 2013, 11:15
Fighting to lower human population as we are growing at a quick rate "like a virus with shoes - bill hicks"
aint that the truth. And the powers don't want those Muslim countries to overtake us now do they. Oh and the oil is a bonus.


There is a problem in Luton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OXzaOif4k0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OXzaOif4k0)
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: scarr89 on 25 May 2013, 11:31

There is a problem in Luton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OXzaOif4k0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OXzaOif4k0)
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Get rid of all people like that.

f**king being PC and all that bollocks. That video makes me angry.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: dTEA on 25 May 2013, 12:57
Ain't that the same as previously the woolwich killer being on a demo chanting, yet the EDL get stopped?  Burn in hell is clear provocation and those responsible need to be arrested as per UK law. What will the police due if the EDL protest under Burka's? Will they stop them? :grin:

Up in Manchester this gets stopped still, but then again it goes on in the Mosques instead...answer would be to state this is a Christian country and if you want a Mosque then police presence can be actioned if we hear reports of extremism and hate being preached.

That man she spoke to at the end seems to be an imam and quite frankly he needs to be deported preaching that all UK laws don't apply to any Muslim person and that Police burn in hell. If any one else says that we are arrested. I include anyone not Muslim and hiding behind their religion. That is te problem as its not free speech it's about overpowering from within and if they become the majority with leaders like him Sharia Law will be OU in place.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Mitching on 25 May 2013, 18:58
I find it ironic a woman in a full burka saying they're fighting oppression.

I remember watching that, and it made me cringe.
I think they should have got someone to present that show that was a bit more clued up on what she was doing a show on, so many times she came across as an ignorant girl when facing some of the people.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VR6Lee on 25 May 2013, 21:40
On Sky News this guy Farooq Murad of the Muslim Council of Britain has the right idea and these views should be echoed out loud!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opRntNy573U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opRntNy573U)

at 2.18 minutes when he says "Low Live Scums" the reporter wraps it up :laugh:
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Devilz on 27 May 2013, 02:28
This incident has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. As pointed in earlier post, it was a hoax. Whether it was or it wasn't, thats another story but if you want to learn about Islam, read Quran. Don't listen to BBC/Sky/ITv, they know nothing about it and stop blaming everything and anything on Muslims.

What about a 75 years old man stabbed to death in Green Lane, Birmingham about three weeks ago and there is no news/fuss on TV about it or may be because he was Muslim, so its not important.

Also someone gave reference of 9/11 as terrorist attack, everyone knows it was inside job to invade Middle East. But still if you are not sure, check the link below

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911information

Also before going any further, do watch this video please

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201141852287568

Peace
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VW BUSH on 27 May 2013, 11:47
This incident has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. As pointed in earlier post, it was a hoax. Whether it was or it wasn't, thats another story but if you want to learn about Islam, read Quran. Don't listen to BBC/Sky/ITv, they know nothing about it and stop blaming everything and anything on Muslims.

What about a 75 years old man stabbed to death in Green Lane, Birmingham about three weeks ago and there is no news/fuss on TV about it or may be because he was Muslim, so its not important.

Also someone gave reference of 9/11 as terrorist attack, everyone knows it was inside job to invade Middle East. But still if you are not sure, check the link below

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911information

Also before going any further, do watch this video please

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201141852287568

Peace

Mate, fact of the matter is that there is a small minority in the Islamic world who are bent on causing pain and suffering to further their own aims through a pseudo religious façade.
This is the case with all religious movements, the Bible and the Torah are both taken out of context or literally to back up dubious political aims with thousands blindly ready to die for the salvation of their souls and to further their spiritual leaders aims.
Folk still believe that the holocaust is a Zionist hoax......
You are right to question media portrayal as we get an edited sound bite or story which does not show the facts as they are, its your duty to read through this sugar coated information and pick the facts out of it, and leave the dross on the floor where it should be.
I cant deny that western foreign policy is dubious to say the least, but this problem needs to start being sorted from within the Islamic community first before it can be contained for the benefit of all.
I know the son of an Ulama, western policy aside he is saddened by the image these fanatics produce of his religion and actively distances himself and his community from it as it damages Islam for all of us.
Sadly every religion quotes themselves as a religion of peace, but this only seems to apply if you are are part of it or siding with it.

I would be happy to pull all our forces out of the middle east and let them get on with it, sadly this will not end the bloodshed or torture put upon the normal people within.

Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Adam on 27 May 2013, 12:14
What about a 75 years old man stabbed to death in Green Lane, Birmingham about three weeks ago and there is no news/fuss on TV about it or may be because he was Muslim, so its not important.


Did the guy who did this proclaim religion with blood on his hands after he did it?   :rolleyes:

Peace
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Jimble on 27 May 2013, 13:47
This incident has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. As pointed in earlier post, it was a hoax. Whether it was or it wasn't, thats another story but if you want to learn about Islam, read Quran. Don't listen to BBC/Sky/ITv, they know nothing about it and stop blaming everything and anything on Muslims.

What about a 75 years old man stabbed to death in Green Lane, Birmingham about three weeks ago and there is no news/fuss on TV about it or may be because he was Muslim, so its not important.

Also someone gave reference of 9/11 as terrorist attack, everyone knows it was inside job to invade Middle East. But still if you are not sure, check the link below

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911information (http://www.wanttoknow.info/911information)

Also before going any further, do watch this video please

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201141852287568 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201141852287568)

Peace

Mate, fact of the matter is that there is a small minority in the Islamic world who are bent on causing pain and suffering to further their own aims through a pseudo religious façade.
This is the case with all religious movements, the Bible and the Torah are both taken out of context or literally to back up dubious political aims with thousands blindly ready to die for the salvation of their souls and to further their spiritual leaders aims.
Folk still believe that the holocaust is a Zionist hoax......
You are right to question media portrayal as we get an edited sound bite or story which does not show the facts as they are, its your duty to read through this sugar coated information and pick the facts out of it, and leave the dross on the floor where it should be.
I cant deny that western foreign policy is dubious to say the least, but this problem needs to start being sorted from within the Islamic community first before it can be contained for the benefit of all.
I know the son of an Ulama, western policy aside he is saddened by the image these fanatics produce of his religion and actively distances himself and his community from it as it damages Islam for all of us.
Sadly every religion quotes themselves as a religion of peace, but this only seems to apply if you are are part of it or siding with it.

I would be happy to pull all our forces out of the middle east and let them get on with it, sadly this will not end the bloodshed or torture put upon the normal people within.


Here, here! Very impressive read mr Bush.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Gti_Jamo on 27 May 2013, 16:39
Fighting to lower human population as we are growing at a quick rate "like a virus with shoes - bill hicks"
aint that the truth. And the powers don't want those Muslim countries to overtake us now do they. Oh and the oil is a bonus.

The 'war' has nothing to do with depopulation, that's a whole different agenda altogether. This invasion of the middle east is do do with power, talking control of the land and its natural resources. Oil, opium etc.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: golf-sib on 27 May 2013, 16:43
Fighting to lower human population as we are growing at a quick rate "like a virus with shoes - bill hicks"
aint that the truth. And the powers don't want those Muslim countries to overtake us now do they. Oh and the oil is a bonus.

The 'war' has nothing to do with depopulation, that's a whole different agenda altogether. This invasion of the middle east is do do with power, talking control of the land and its natural resources. Oil, opium etc.

My reply was sarcastic as I'm not a tin foil, aliens are coming, kinda guy
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Gti_Jamo on 27 May 2013, 16:58
Fighting to lower human population as we are growing at a quick rate "like a virus with shoes - bill hicks"
aint that the truth. And the powers don't want those Muslim countries to overtake us now do they. Oh and the oil is a bonus.

The 'war' has nothing to do with depopulation, that's a whole different agenda altogether. This invasion of the middle east is do do with power, talking control of the land and its natural resources. Oil, opium etc.

My reply was sarcastic as I'm not a tin foil, aliens are coming, kinda guy

Fair enough....:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: JC on 27 May 2013, 17:34
Hello  :smiley:
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Seanl on 27 May 2013, 19:06
Mr Devilz, you are deluded my son!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: jamie16v on 27 May 2013, 19:58
Hello  :smiley:
Hi  :kiss:
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: scarr89 on 27 May 2013, 19:59
Hello  :smiley:

About to get locked?
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Devilz on 27 May 2013, 20:06
This incident has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. As pointed in earlier post, it was a hoax. Whether it was or it wasn't, thats another story but if you want to learn about Islam, read Quran. Don't listen to BBC/Sky/ITv, they know nothing about it and stop blaming everything and anything on Muslims.

What about a 75 years old man stabbed to death in Green Lane, Birmingham about three weeks ago and there is no news/fuss on TV about it or may be because he was Muslim, so its not important.

Also someone gave reference of 9/11 as terrorist attack, everyone knows it was inside job to invade Middle East. But still if you are not sure, check the link below

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911information (http://www.wanttoknow.info/911information)

Also before going any further, do watch this video please

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201141852287568 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201141852287568)

Peace

Mate, fact of the matter is that there is a small minority in the Islamic world who are bent on causing pain and suffering to further their own aims through a pseudo religious façade.
This is the case with all religious movements, the Bible and the Torah are both taken out of context or literally to back up dubious political aims with thousands blindly ready to die for the salvation of their souls and to further their spiritual leaders aims.
Folk still believe that the holocaust is a Zionist hoax......
You are right to question media portrayal as we get an edited sound bite or story which does not show the facts as they are, its your duty to read through this sugar coated information and pick the facts out of it, and leave the dross on the floor where it should be.
I cant deny that western foreign policy is dubious to say the least, but this problem needs to start being sorted from within the Islamic community first before it can be contained for the benefit of all.
I know the son of an Ulama, western policy aside he is saddened by the image these fanatics produce of his religion and actively distances himself and his community from it as it damages Islam for all of us.
Sadly every religion quotes themselves as a religion of peace, but this only seems to apply if you are are part of it or siding with it.

I would be happy to pull all our forces out of the middle east and let them get on with it, sadly this will not end the bloodshed or torture put upon the normal people within.


Here, here! Very impressive read mr Bush.

Agree but point is if someone do such things, he is solely responsible for his actions. It has nothing to do with religion. Regardless of whichever it is.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: VW BUSH on 27 May 2013, 21:32
This incident has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. As pointed in earlier post, it was a hoax. Whether it was or it wasn't, thats another story but if you want to learn about Islam, read Quran. Don't listen to BBC/Sky/ITv, they know nothing about it and stop blaming everything and anything on Muslims.

What about a 75 years old man stabbed to death in Green Lane, Birmingham about three weeks ago and there is no news/fuss on TV about it or may be because he was Muslim, so its not important.

Also someone gave reference of 9/11 as terrorist attack, everyone knows it was inside job to invade Middle East. But still if you are not sure, check the link below

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911information (http://www.wanttoknow.info/911information)

Also before going any further, do watch this video please

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201141852287568 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201141852287568)

Peace

Mate, fact of the matter is that there is a small minority in the Islamic world who are bent on causing pain and suffering to further their own aims through a pseudo religious façade.
This is the case with all religious movements, the Bible and the Torah are both taken out of context or literally to back up dubious political aims with thousands blindly ready to die for the salvation of their souls and to further their spiritual leaders aims.
Folk still believe that the holocaust is a Zionist hoax......
You are right to question media portrayal as we get an edited sound bite or story which does not show the facts as they are, its your duty to read through this sugar coated information and pick the facts out of it, and leave the dross on the floor where it should be.
I cant deny that western foreign policy is dubious to say the least, but this problem needs to start being sorted from within the Islamic community first before it can be contained for the benefit of all.
I know the son of an Ulama, western policy aside he is saddened by the image these fanatics produce of his religion and actively distances himself and his community from it as it damages Islam for all of us.
Sadly every religion quotes themselves as a religion of peace, but this only seems to apply if you are are part of it or siding with it.

I would be happy to pull all our forces out of the middle east and let them get on with it, sadly this will not end the bloodshed or torture put upon the normal people within.


Here, here! Very impressive read mr Bush.

Agree but point is if someone do such things, he is solely responsible for his actions. It has nothing to do with religion. Regardless of whichever it is.
Ultimately yes you are right, but vulnerable people are easily coerced, some never get the chance to grow up and see the truth and the error in their ways.

Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Gti_Jamo on 28 May 2013, 11:48
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

That is all.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: dTEA on 28 May 2013, 16:16
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

That is all.
but then you get people like this one acting out the change they want or indeed those that wish to see the UK under sharia law :lipsrsealed:

“By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.”
― Adolf Hitler
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Gti_Jamo on 28 May 2013, 16:48
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

That is all.
but then you get people like this one acting out the change they want or indeed those that wish to see the UK under sharia law :lipsrsealed:

“By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.”
― Adolf Hitler

But those would be deluded to believe that was the best thing for the human race. People who want it their own way regardless what others think or how it would affect them are obviously all what is wrong with the world. You have to ask yourself, 'where would the world be if everyone thought like me'. I'm pretty content in thinking that if everyone thought like me we would all get on much better. Of course its dreamland territory to think this is possible but at least I have made the relevant changes and rid myself of all what i feel is damaging to a global society. I used to be a racist, homophobic, religious, ignorant, queen loving patriot. I don't care for it much now however and that's a big change to make in a country where its pushed down your throat. You can't help how your brought up but their comes a time in your life when you have to start thinking for yourself and stop being manipulated. Ridding yourself of the barriers that have been put up that tries to divide you from the rest of the world is a very important step I believe.

You can only change yourself, not anyone else.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: dTEA on 28 May 2013, 17:21
Quote from: Sims Future Shock
I was born in '82
'bout the time of the Cold War flu
Born when the world was small
Before we connected the zoo
But look at the way we grew
Dropped the borders, but we kept them walls
The things we made to pull us close push us all
We hear the ring, but we screen the calls

So close we can almost touch
So far we don't speak on the bus
So close I can almost see your breath
So far I can't hear your words
I don't go a day without a button press
The years go by in a blur
The time a-plenty, inbox full
So why do I feel so god damn empty?
But look at how connected we are now
The whole globe at your fingertips
Speed the pace, it's an instant fix
Space age, but I feel boxed in
And it's wide open, and I'm dying to know
Why I feel disconnected
Am I dreaming demons, alienated
Or do I just get what I expected?
They say it's greed that keeps people turnin'
Feeds the lonely and the beasts of burden
East of Eden, but at least we're earnin'
The ice is meltin'
And the trees are burnin'
Reporters say that it's all but lost now
And all we can do is watch
So I walk with my shoulders dropped
Watch these blocks stack up with stores
Is this what we're working for?
Filling that home with goods, what's good
But the chokehold ain't local no more
It's global and closin' its doors
And it ain't about right or wrong, what side you're on
But the things we traded
How many sights for how many sites
How is your life, how is your life?

And I don't mean "Do you like your life?"
I mean "What is your life like?"
I ain't tryin' to be deep, believe me
I'm just tryin' to keep my head above water

I was born in '82
But I live in two-thousand and now
All the things I thought I knew
Turns out they were never around
And all the people I met today
Well, they all the same
Fillin' that emptiness
Fill it up with Fendi till the trendiness fades
Then throw that thing away

I want the one with the new features
Till the next one, out there
Bury it a little deeper
Add on to the man made mountain
You can have it all, the campaign toutin'
The cars and the champagne fountain
But that pool's only deep enough to sink
But these fools don't even stop to think
They just want that bubbly
Now they spillin' on you, ain't that lovely?
What a mess since they jumped in
Now they scream "Save me, save me" to the public
But, but we barely, barely know the subject
We all out, doin' for us
In so far, so far and fat
So near, so packed
We don't speak on the bus

Loss of love, loss of mind
Uh huh
Loss of love, loss of mind
Runnin' out of time
Loss of love, loss of mind
Loss of love, loss of mind
Damn near outta time
And sorry Jamo I didn't mean to ridicule the Ghandi quote, just prove its all about thinking for self instead of being manipulated by others.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Gti_Jamo on 28 May 2013, 17:35
No worries, also is there a question for me to answer there. Did you mean 'prove' or 'proof'. I don't follow.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: dTEA on 28 May 2013, 19:44
No worries, also is there a question for me to answer there. Did you mean 'prove' or 'proof'. I don't follow.
my typo. Nothing to prove.
Title: Re: Woolwich Terror Attack.....
Post by: Devilz on 03 June 2013, 22:37
another video emerge about this incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfa3gXTqOH8