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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Sootchucker on 22 May 2013, 08:14
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Been talking to the wife, and after having another conversation with VW UK last night, I'm seriously considering cancelling my orders for both the GTD and the Polo Blue GT.
As if it's not bad enough that they cannot confirm 100% that my order's progressing (despite being on order for well over a month), and they can't yet confirm if the lane assist which my car was ordered with is actually available, the last straw came last night when I read that winter pack for non Cloth cars had been dropped. Spoke to my customer service representative at VW HQ last night, and fully expected her to say, "oh, sorry, that's a mistake on the website - we'll correct that". Instead she said "oh, yes, it does look like it's not available any more" WTF !!!! Even my wife's Polo has winter pack available, and the GTD / GTI versions are supposed to be the top of the tree.
VW will call me back either later today or tomorrow to 100% confirm what's happening to my order and its specification.If winter pack has indeed been dropped and they force me to take leather at £1600, then the order for both cars will definitely be cancelled, and for the first time in 10 years, I'll be moving away form the VW brand - which will be a real shame.
I mean I ask you what's next, that it only comes with 3 wheels ! I think VW UK's handling of the GTi/GTD launch (actually the whole MK7 launch), is disgraceful. Hopefully she will come back and allay my fears but otherwise it will be bye bye from me.
I know most on here won't agree with my decision, and that's fine, whatever works for you, but as this is my hard earned money, it won't be given to a company that keeps pi55ing me around, there are plenty more companies eager to part me with my money.
Sorry... just had to vent my frustration somewhere, and you guys are good at listening :grin:
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Norbreck21a: So have you got an alternative set of cars lined up or just keeping hold of what you have longer if you do cancel? I have looked at the alternatives out there and there is noting else i'd rather have when taking in looks, equipment and solid residuals into account:-
1 Series: Ugly as sin, mechanically good, poor value on the equipment side, cheap interior for it's price point, decent residuals.
2. Giulietta: One of the best looking cars in it''s segment, well equipped, 5 year warranty but atrocious residuals and very cheap interior.
3. Seat Leon: Like a Golf but cheaper with a cheaper interior. Poorer residuals means it costs as much to run as a dearer Golf. I always find that fresh exterior design initially looks old hat within 2 years on a Leon.
4. Focus: Bland car (except the ST), average at everything with poor residuals and relatively poor economy next to it's rivals.
5. Astra GTC: Better looking than a Focus, with poor interior and poor residuals.
6. Audi A3 - looks ok in 3 door but so bad in 5 door (like an estate car), Quality shows throughout but standard equipment is poor and you'll pay through the nose for all your options. Great residuals.
I would take an Audi A1 over the Polo any day of the week, but for GTI/GTD I can't see any better options out there. The wait, lack of info for your placed order and ever changing spec/options is poor though.
VW UK are sh!te, no 2 ways about it, whether it be for information on a placed order or mediation for a calamity of events following an accident repair at a VW approved repairer. It's a shame because VW Germany will bend over backwards for a German customer (my cousin in the Army, based in Germany will attest to that).
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Where did you read that winter pack had been dropped for "non-cloth cars"? Besides, even if true, why would you be forced to take leather in such a case? "non-cloth" means leather, so you are saying that it has been dropped for leather, which you didn't spec anyway... Maybe I've read it wrong, but doesn't make sense to me.
I have the entire car specification including standard and factory options all via screenshots, PDFs and order forms. If my car comes and it is not to spec, depending on how far off it is they can either refund my deposit and I walk away, or I take the car with a further discount. I'm truly past stressing on this one, and as already said, for me, nothing else comes close.
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I can understand your frustration as it does seem a bit of a shambles. It's almost as if they are making things up as they go along. They should have been clear at the outset what was/wasn't available. I have asked the question as well re the winter pack as I was thinking about adding it. It just doesn't make sense. Does this mean that for those that did spec leather that they are now going to have to pay extra for heated seats?
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To be honest, I'll probably just pay off the balance on both existing cars (they are after all only 2½ years old), and wait until next year and have a look around then and see what's happening. Apparently according to my local BMW dealer, there's a major facelift coming on the 1 series next year, so if that address's the looks could be one of them, or they are currently doing cracking deals on M-Sport edition 3 series, with all the toys for a similar price to the VW. Decisions, decisions.......
Like I say, I don't want to cancel the orders, I really like the look of the cars, but in speaking to Lisa at VW this morning (who rang me back just after I posted), even she admitted that it's all been pretty shocking, and they are struggling to keep up with complaints.
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Where did you read that winter pack had been dropped for "non-cloth cars"? Besides, even if true, why would you be forced to take leather in such a case? "non-cloth" means leather, so you are saying that it has been dropped for leather, which you didn't spec anyway... Maybe I've read it wrong, but doesn't make sense to me.
I have the entire car specification including standard and factory options all via screenshots, PDFs and order forms. If my car comes and it is not to spec, depending on how far off it is they can either refund my deposit and I walk away, or I take the car with a further discount. I'm truly past stressing on this one, and as already said, for me, nothing else comes close.
The option has been removed from the website and replaced with winter pack in conjunction with leather only
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I agree, it is a shambles, especially after just being given a "September 16th" build date...bit of a joke really.
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Where did you read that winter pack had been dropped for "non-cloth cars"? Besides, even if true, why would you be forced to take leather in such a case? "non-cloth" means leather, so you are saying that it has been dropped for leather, which you didn't spec anyway... Maybe I've read it wrong, but doesn't make sense to me.
I have the entire car specification including standard and factory options all via screenshots, PDFs and order forms. If my car comes and it is not to spec, depending on how far off it is they can either refund my deposit and I walk away, or I take the car with a further discount. I'm truly past stressing on this one, and as already said, for me, nothing else comes close.
Gryzor, it was on one of the forums yesterday (can't remember which one now), but if you now look at the VW website in both the configuration and the "features and options", Winter pack is now inly available (apparently) in conjunction with leather - which I don't want. My current order with VW has Cloth interior combined with the Winter pack. This is essential for me, as I broke my back when I was younger, and it still causes me some pain in the colder months, and the heated seats in all my last 4 years really helps with that, which is why I specced it again.
Understand totally what you are saying re the having evidence as to what you have ordered, but should you really have to build up an arsenal of evidence because you may or are expecting trouble at delivery time ?. I think not.
Like I say, hopefully my dissatisfaction email and conversations to VW will serve as a warning shot to them that I will not be pi55ed about, however if they come back and give me a 100% assurance that it's all still fine and progressing in Wolfsburg, that that's just fine with me and the orders can stand.
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If its any consolation Norbreck21a, the mk 6 launch was a shambles as well. But it is worth it in the end! The other options have pros and cons as discussed above - but I think you'll be hard pressed to get the same calibre of motor for the money.
I suppose the issues you've had are the pitfalls of ordering a car before its been released. The question you have to ask yourself is if you were ordering in a years time when the exact spec of the car is known, would you order one? If the answer is yes then the issues with changing spec, build weeks etc are irrelevant as you would know what you are buying. It seems the issue isn't the car or the spec therefore, but the p!ss poor way VW are handling the launch. That aside, if there wasn't this issue, you'd still buy both of those cars.
Personally, I think you'd regret changing - but it is of course your money! :laugh:
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Totally agree matchboy, it IS still the car I want, but trouble is nearly 5 weeks in from order, VW UK can't tell me if it's in the order queue, has an issue, if some of the options ordered are now not available etc, which I think is totally unacceptable for one of the largest car companies in the world.
Spoke earlier to my colleagues in Germany, and they all sing the praises of VW dealerships and apparently have had no messing about with spec changes etc, so one can only assume it's the utter ineptitude of the executives at VW UK who want taking outside and shooting, as in my opinion they are seriously tarnishing a premium brand here in the UK !
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I won't have a car with leather seats. But I don't want a car without heated seats.
So, it looks like no Golf Mark 7 for me, unless I go down a level and have a GT (which is still a very nice car, just not as exclusive as a GTD/GTI). In a way, I'm not hugely bothered, as I'm still very pleased with my Mark 6 and I'm not totally convinced by the looks of the new one.
By any metric, the launch of the new car has been an utter disaster. It took ages for the brochures to be uploaded. The configurator is completely out of date and still does not show Carbon Grey metallic paint. Dealers don't know what's going on. People who have placed orders don't know what's going on. Dealer X says one thing, and dealer Y another. VW UK change the specifications every five minutes (seemingly), for no good reason. Why can't I have the winter pack without leather? I had it on my Mark 5, and I've got it on my Mark 6.
VW UK are a disgrace. My original order for my Mark 6 got "lost" and VW UK were unable to tell me for weeks on end what had happened to it. I had to write letters to all and sundry to get people to get off their backsides and find out what had happened (they had to re-order the car, without telling me). The shenanigans in this thread and others only confirms my view that they're utterly, completely hopeless. I've complained about dealers in the past and VW UK basically wash their hands and say "it's nothing to do with us".
Is VW really a "premium" brand? They may aspire to be, but I don't think they are. Still too much of an every(wo)man's car.
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I won't have a car with leather seats. But I don't want a car without heated seats.
My sentiments exactly - I really don't want to cancel, but if I am going to be forced to compromise any further, with a build date of September 16th announced, it's not looking good.
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I agree Norbreck21a, it is a total shambles. And I personally believe its VW UK that are to blame. But are they any different to any other UK company these days? Unfortunately, we live in a country whereby service is at a minimum. 95% companies these days are nicey nicey until they have your money and then they don't give a toss.
Given the amount of cars we've seen up for sale in Germany at present, in dealerships, there doesn't seem to be an issue with production. The real problem is VW UK are p!ss poor. Unfortunately, this goes for most companies these days. Don't let their incompetence put you off getting your car.
Saying that, if there is an option that you really want but isn't on offer then you'll have to decide if you want a car that doesn't have it. Nothing worse than paying all that money but everytime you drive it you think I wish I had got an A3/A Class/1 Series as that would have had option X. So the real question is could you live without this option? If the answer is no then you need to change. If the answer is yes, then stick with it! The GTD will be a class motor however!! :smiley:
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Been talking to the wife, and after having another conversation with VW UK last night, I'm seriously considering cancelling my orders for both the GTD and the Polo Blue GT.
Do you know if you can get your deposit back? Fair is fair you should do, if you cancel it is because of VW poor service not you messing them around. But have you asked?
Norbreck21a: So have you got an alternative set of cars lined up or just keeping hold of what you have longer if you do cancel? I have looked at the alternatives out there and there is noting else i'd rather have when taking in looks, equipment and solid residuals into account:-
1 Series: Ugly as sin, mechanically good, poor value on the equipment side, cheap interior for it's price point, decent residuals.
2. Giulietta: One of the best looking cars in it''s segment, well equipped, 5 year warranty but atrocious residuals and very cheap interior.
3. Seat Leon: Like a Golf but cheaper with a cheaper interior. Poorer residuals means it costs as much to run as a dearer Golf. I always find that fresh exterior design initially looks old hat within 2 years on a Leon.
4. Focus: Bland car (except the ST), average at everything with poor residuals and relatively poor economy next to it's rivals.
5. Astra GTC: Better looking than a Focus, with poor interior and poor residuals.
6. Audi A3 - looks ok in 3 door but so bad in 5 door (like an estate car), Quality shows throughout but standard equipment is poor and you'll pay through the nose for all your options. Great residuals.
I would take an Audi A1 over the Polo any day of the week, but for GTI/GTD I can't see any better options out there. The wait, lack of info for your placed order and ever changing spec/options is poor though.
VW UK are sh!te, no 2 ways about it, whether it be for information on a placed order or mediation for a calamity of events following an accident repair at a VW approved repairer. It's a shame because VW Germany will bend over backwards for a German customer (my cousin in the Army, based in Germany will attest to that).
BMW 2 series comes out next year (supposedly).
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/2-series/63997/bmw-2-series-spied
Otherwise The VXR and Focus ST have got to be high on the list. I don't really like the look of the Focus, its like a fish with its mouth open... reminds me of a Peugeot. However, its good value for money. The VXR is a mean machine.
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All getting a bit stressy around here....
Heated seats/winter pack are an option with cloth, the website is incorrect, again.
If I thought for one second that the website was accurate and you couldn't have cloth with heated seats then I too would cancel.
Build dates will be according to where you are in the queue, what options you ordered, GTI or GTD and what changes you have made. (and of course how honest your dealer is :whistle:)
Mine was wk 22 when I ordered, it slipped to wk 25 and has stayed like that for the last few weeks.
Remember the GTI isn't even officially 'on sale' yet, just open for order.
Chill.
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95% companies these days are nicey nicey until they have your money and then they don't give a toss.
Which is worrying since VW don't actually have our money jut now and we as customers are being treated like this!
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I went through two months of Audi amending an order I had made and it ended up so far from the car I originally wanted that I cancelled. They had to give me the deposit back as they couldn't supply what I had ordered.
I decided to go for a GTI instead (and in this I think Audi did me a favour) and the VW garage said 'you can have the car you want here'. I hope this isn't going to be a repeat of the Audi mess up. Why don't these companies get their act together??
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BMW 2 series comes out next year (supposedly).
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/2-series/63997/bmw-2-series-spied
Not ugly, but not groundbreaking - looks like an old shape Hyundai Scoupe with a BMW front end. If I wanted a 3 door car with usable rear seats (not sure whether the BMW ones are any more useful than those in the 1 series) i'd stick with the Scirocco or get an Audi A5. Hopefully the new Scirocco will be a breath of fresh air like the current one was back in 08/09 before the cloners all jumped in on it.
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BMW 2 series comes out next year (supposedly).
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/2-series/63997/bmw-2-series-spied
Not ugly, but not groundbreaking - looks like an old shape Hyundai Scoupe with a BMW front end. If I wanted a 3 door car with usable rear seats (not sure whether the BMW ones are any more useful than those in the 1 series) i'd stick with the Scirocco or get an Audi A5. Hopefully the new Scirocco will be a breath of fresh air like the current one was back in 08/09 before the cloners all jumped in on it.
But remember this isn't the finished article. I strongly suspect the M2, when it comes, will be one nice bit of kit. Apparently they are using the M135i as their "starting point" but producing it in a coupe format.
However, I'm still ordering a GTI, which I intend to keep for sometime (i.e. until I can afford a 911 hehehehe :laugh:).
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Do you know if you can get your deposit back? Fair is fair you should do, if you cancel it is because of VW poor service not you messing them around. But have you asked?
Yeah, spoke to the dealer this morning and explained the situation to the brand manager. Apparently he's had a few people complain and he's not at all happy with VW UK over this situation. Whilst he obviously doesn't want me to cancel (and neither do I really), he does understand and said that if push come to shove, they would of course give me a full refund.
Let's just hope it doesn't come to that.
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Why don't these companies get their act together??
1. It takes effort.
2. It costs money.
3. People buy their products anyway.
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Heated seats/winter pack are an option with cloth, the website is incorrect, again.
If I thought for one second that the website was accurate and you couldn't have cloth with heated seats then I too would cancel.
GolfTi, totally agree with the information on the website being crap, that's why I didn't take it as gospel and instead spoke to my contact at VW customer services. Fully expected them to say that it was an error on the site, but they didn't and just said they thought it had been dropped but wasn't 100% certain.
So the point is, if VW UK - the importing company and sister company of the vehicle manufacturer in Germany doesn't know the answer, what chance have us punters got ?
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There's no excusing VW UKs incompetence, but I'm sure with every new launch you'd expect a level of confusion & disarray...be it a new restaurant, new build or new smart phone.
If I was in your position I'm sure I'd be feeling the exact way and I too would be tempted to pull out of the deal. However there's no getting away from the fact the Mk7 GTD (&Polo) are probably the best hatches in their class at the moment. So don't let your frustrations & anger cloud your judgement & just stick with it.
I'm sure once you're behind the wheel of your new GTD you'll feel a lot different.
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I'm sure once you're behind the wheel of your new GTD you'll feel a lot different.
Yeah, and 2014 is whole new year :grin:
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I'm sure once you're behind the wheel of your new GTD you'll feel a lot different.
Yeah, and 2014 is whole new year :grin:
Hahaha.... :grin: I'm sure that's gonna help matters!!!! :grin:
Well you know what they say..."All good things come to those that wait!"
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Well you know what they say..."All good things come to those that wait!"
I heard this from some kind of alcoholic beverage back in the day. I don't remember the entire story or the evidence to support it, but flush with enthusiasm I've been waiting for a letter to come through my door informing me I've won the lottery for years. All that arrives are more tax bills.
However, I still live in hope. TV ads don't sell you false hopes or lie about reality, why would they?
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I wonder with the winter pack option if youve already placed your order before theyve changed the configurator if they will honour the order. Surely its the same if you ordered before the 1st may price increases you get what you ordered at that point in time at the price. If not i either want free leather for the heated option or i will cancel and buy something else.
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Hang on in there Andrew! Don't give up just yet matey & don't do anything hasty which you'll regret later :cry: :undecided:
VW UK - New Customer Sales Counselling Website (coming soon)
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Heated seats are standard with leather upholstery anyway.
Xenons come with headlight washers.
So the winter pack is essentially charging you £300 or whatever it is for a heated washer system. Which is rectified with anti freeze.
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Hang on in there Andrew! Don't give up just yet matey & don't do anything hasty which you'll regret later :cry: :undecided:
VW UK - New Customer Sales Counselling Website (coming soon)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:, TBH, it's only the banter of people on here that's making this whole fiasco semi bearable !
Oh, and whilst I'm in a ranting mood :grin:, assuming I did go for leather (just for arguments sake - I actually won't), what the hell does the £265.00 for "Winter Pack with Leather" actually buy you ?
As I see it, the car has Xenons, which means by law, it has to come with headlight washers and low washer fluid warning as standard. Leather automatically gives you heated seats, so what left..... Don't tell me that £265 is just for heated washer jets !!!
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Ah OF1 just beat me to it on the question................
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Heated seats are standard with leather upholstery anyway.
Xenons come with headlight washers.
So the winter pack is essentially charging you £300 or whatever it is for a heated washer system. Which is rectified with anti freeze.
Not quite. If you wanted the standard cloth seats and ordered the winter pack it was £350 which gave you heated seats and heated washer jets (the low washer warning comes with the bi-xenons anyway). Now the option is £245 for the winter pack which is just heated nozzles as you are now being forced to take the £1625 leather option.
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So that being the case Mcmaddy, then £350 for winter pack with cloth - gives you heated seats and heated washer jets, and £265 for the leather option just gives you the heated washer jets (it's all that left).
So by my calculations, heated seats are only accounting for £85.00 (the difference between the 2 options) and £265 just for the washer jets, which seems extortionate to me !
Hell, if this thread has done nothing else, it's given us something else to b!tch at :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Seems that way. VW maximising the rip off to UK customers!!
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Heated seats are standard with leather upholstery anyway.
Xenons come with headlight washers.
So the winter pack is essentially charging you £300 or whatever it is for a heated washer system. Which is rectified with anti freeze.
Not quite. If you wanted the standard cloth seats and ordered the winter pack it was £350 which gave you heated seats and heated washer jets (the low washer warning comes with the bi-xenons anyway). Now the option is £245 for the winter pack which is just heated nozzles as you are now being forced to take the £1625 leather option.
Well that's what I meant essentially, £245 for heated washer nozzles is a bloody rip off. The heated seat fiasco doesn't affect me as I have leather specced anyway. Not allowing you to have heated seats without having dead cow skin in your car, and essentially forcing you to upgrade (If you really want/need heated chairs) is another rip off.
How is it they figure out you can't have heated seats on cloth? Will it incinerate my bum hole if it's not leather and give me third degree burns?
Initially when I ordered the car it was cloth with the winter pack, so that I could have the heated seats. Then when I added leather I wasn't aware I was paying 3 figures to heat up my washer nozzles. I found out by accident luckily. Crazy stuff really.
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The heated washer jets is an utterly pointless option - I had it before and it doesn't work, the water still freezes in the pipes - don't waste your money!!
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I'm guessing(hoping) its the configurator that's wrong - it still shows the colour mfd as an option. The golf price list from 01/05/13 shows different prices for the winter pack according to the car spec and does give the option of a winter pack with cloth!
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Its as if someones throwing random numbers in the air and wherever they land thats the price and option haha
Cloth seats and winter option was £350 but on the configurator its always been £370/£375. If all previous incarnations of Golfs can have cloth and ars* heaters then surely a new state of the art mk7 can!!
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The i-pad app Configurator which auto updates with any spec changes every time you open it or your configurations only has winter pack with leather as an option. Also no grey colour someone mentioned earlier.
My understanding is this Configurator app is gospel.
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My understanding is this Configurator app is gospel.
That app is pants. It took longer to update the new price list on that than it did on the website! I would take the app with a very large pinch of salt.
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So.. is this confirmed beyond all reasonable doubt - no heated seats with standard cloth trim? :sad:
It is the only reason I have the winter pack on order...
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The i-pad app Configurator which auto updates with any spec changes every time you open it or your configurations only has winter pack with leather as an option. Also no grey colour someone mentioned earlier.
My understanding is this Configurator app is gospel.
I think you need a new bible! :grin:
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Well see :wink:
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Well see :wink:
Do you know something we don't?! :shocked:
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My understanding is this Configurator app is gospel.
Aside from the fact the last time I looked, it was missing the Carbon Grey metallic paint. Perhaps it's more akin to a book by David Ike than the Bible.
The configurator for the GT and the other non-GTD/GTI Golfs still (I just checked) allows you to choose the winter pack with cloth seats (£375).
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Yes pearlescent Turquoise is now an option in place of carbon grey :tongue:
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I have ordered GTD in pure white with winter pack. I have just rung my dealer and I have a confirmed build week of 27. He says winter pack is still confirmed. He hadn't heard of winter pack being leather only and he said if changes affected current orders the spec would drop off.
He thinks I will get my winter pack... Here's hoping...
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Initially when I ordered the car it was cloth with the winter pack, so that I could have the heated seats. Then when I added leather I wasn't aware I was paying 3 figures to heat up my washer nozzles. I found out by accident luckily. Crazy stuff really.
And I must thank you for your original post on the subject way back. That was what prompted me to call my dealer and pose the question "what exactly does the winter pack I ordered give me?" When she said just the washer nozzles (after much hand holding to lead her to that answer) I promptly said "that's hardly a good deal, can you remove it please."
So you saved me £300. Cheers!
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My understanding is this Configurator app is gospel.
That app is pants. It took longer to update the new price list on that than it did on the website! I would take the app with a very large pinch of salt.
Thats right, that app lives in what I like to call "the land of the plonker". It still thinks the MFD is a "£135 option" and asking it to "update price and options" leads to random changes or no changes at all and usually leads to a crash when I try to open my saved build. Oh, and it thinks I can add spoilers galore which I doubt, and there is no heated screen or phone prep options...
Its fun for the pretty pictures and not a lot else.
Yes pearlescent Turquoise is now an option in place of carbon grey :tongue:
Woohoo!!!!
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I have just received confirmation from Audi UK that the winter pack is still available with the cloth seats so no need to panic :smiley:
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I have just received confirmation from Audi UK that the winter pack is still available with the cloth seats so no need to panic :smiley:
With Audi seats or VW ones? Perhaps I missed something, have we concluded that Audi and VW are similar enough that what applies to one applies to the other? Or are you just checking so we can all switch to Audi in protest and get the options we want? :laugh: :laugh:
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As Bear said, if that's true, how comes VW UK can't confirm it about their own brand, but their sister company can ???
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I have just received confirmation from Audi UK that the winter pack is still available with the cloth seats so no need to panic :smiley:
With Audi seats or VW ones? Perhaps I missed something, have we concluded that Audi and VW are similar enough that what applies to one applies to the other? Or are you just checking so we can all switch to Audi in protest and get the options we want? :laugh: :laugh:
:grin: :grin: :grin: I'm so used to speaking to Audi about problems I forgot I was dealing with VW. Doh! Definitely with VW seats
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My understanding is this Configurator app is gospel.
That app is pants. It took longer to update the new price list on that than it did on the website! I would take the app with a very large pinch of salt.
Thats right, that app lives in what I like to call "the land of the plonker". It still thinks the MFD is a "£135 option" and asking it to "update price and options" leads to random changes or no changes at all and usually leads to a crash when I try to open my saved build. Oh, and it thinks I can add spoilers galore which I doubt, and there is no heated screen or phone prep options...
Its fun for the pretty pictures and not a lot else.
Yes pearlescent Turquoise is now an option in place of carbon grey :tongue:
Woohoo!!!!
My uncle's best friends sister's cross dressing boyfriend's dog knows the IT guys who manage the app and they say its 100% accurate ok Rodney :grin:
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As Bear said, if that's true, how comes VW UK can't confirm it about their own brand, but their sister company can ???
Sorry I meant VW UK
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As Bear said, if that's true, how comes VW UK can't confirm it about their own brand, but their sister company can ???
I've said it before, VW are trolling us. I bet its like that monty python sketch where the pilots broadcast conflicting messages just to laugh at the chaos it causes with their passengers, except in this case its VW reading our threads and then issuing crazy statements so they can laugh at us. It must be how they cope with life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xJSey8HRUhU#t=26s
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My uncle's best friends sister's cross dressing boyfriend's dog knows the IT guys who manage the app and they say its 100% accurate ok Rodney :grin:
My most sincere and heartfelt apologies to your cross dressing dog. I spoke out of turn due to my impotent rage at my order being delayed, but alas, that is no excuse. :sad:
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Am I the only one who thinks this situation is really sad. Here we have a couple of cars which will probably be top of their respective classes, that each cost a lot of money, and that we should all be drooling over getting and wowing ourselves with test reviews and videos etc.
Instead VW UK have (for me at least) totally taken the shine off my new car purchases, and TBH, in all the years I've been ordering cars, this is by a good amount, the most unpleasant undertaking yet.
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Am I the only one who thinks this situation is really sad. Here we have a couple of cars which will probably be top of their respective classes, that each cost a lot of money, and that we should all be drooling over getting and wowing ourselves with test reviews and videos etc.
Instead VW UK have (for me at least) totally taken the shine off my new car purchases, and TBH, in all the years I've been ordering cars, this is by a good amount, the most unpleasant undertaking yet.
I agree with you. I had a much better experience with Ford. That said, I didn't order quite as early as I have with VW. Also the Ford dealer I used was owned by a member of the Ford Exec Board and considered it a matter of pride to have the best customer service. Of course if they can set the standard then others should be able to aim to match it. I guess its a VWUK/Germany problem not the dealer's fault... but you'd think the dealers would kick up a bit of a fuss on our behalf's really. We're spending something like 1/4 the price of a house with them, you kind of expect more service than you'd get at your local Homebase store when trying to find the right kind of nails really.
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Initially when I ordered the car it was cloth with the winter pack, so that I could have the heated seats. Then when I added leather I wasn't aware I was paying 3 figures to heat up my washer nozzles. I found out by accident luckily. Crazy stuff really.
And I must thank you for your original post on the subject way back. That was what prompted me to call my dealer and pose the question "what exactly does the winter pack I ordered give me?" When she said just the washer nozzles (after much hand holding to lead her to that answer) I promptly said "that's hardly a good deal, can you remove it please."
So you saved me £300. Cheers!
No problem :cool:
In that case then however, if this lottery win you're expecting comes in sometime in the near future - Could you send a commission my way? Or maybe a crate of Heineken?
Also just one more thing - Could somebody please clarify the Heated Windscreen as well. I can't see it anywhere as an option.
If I ring my dealer and ask for it to be added, can it be done so and if so how much will it be??
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A crate of Heineken it is!
I suspect delivery will be by flying pig however. :sad:
For example of typical P&P please see my avatar.
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I'm sure VW aren't the only car manufacturers having the same problems. They've had similar delays with the new BMW M135i... Some guys ordered back in November but are only getting them now.
Unfortunately delays seem to be the norm these days... I'm currently waiting on a sofa I ordered back in January. Heck knows where's it disappeared to?
I try not let it get to me & focus on other things. Anger & frustration is wasted energy! We just need to all "Chill" & wait patiently.
Having said that without all the current ordering problems & delays we wouldn't have anything to rant about.. So maybe that's a positive thing!!
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My uncle's best friends sister's cross dressing boyfriend's dog knows the IT guys who manage the app and they say its 100% accurate ok Rodney :grin:
My most sincere and heartfelt apologies to your cross dressing dog. I spoke out of turn due to my impotent rage at my order being delayed, but alas, that is no excuse. :sad:
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Right guys. Not sure if I'm placated or not, but of the way home from work I popped into the dealership and had a half hour with the general sales manager. As it happens, they had become aware of the "issue" over winter pack earlier today when their demo GTI arrived, and when they went to configure a price for it, found they couldn't add winter pack, even thought the GTI had it (with cloth).
Anyway after a good talk, he showed me his order screen from the Wolfsberg factory which said order confirmed with all my toys listed, as well as a provisional build week of WK 26 !!!!
If that's the case then ill be a happy bunny again, as he said in 15 years of working for VW, once the order screen says accepted and a "allocation week" assigned, he has never ever had a vehicle change.
So could be good news after all.
Ooh yes, the GTI they had in was a 5 Door in carbon Grey metallic. I took plenty of photos on my iPhone and ill post them later in a separate thread.
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That's great news Norbreck, hope it bodes well for the rest of us... ;)
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Right guys. Not sure if I'm placated or not, but of the way home from work I popped into the dealership and had a half hour with the general sales manager. As it happens, they had become aware of the "issue" over winter pack earlier today when their demo GTI arrived, and when they went to configure a price for it, found they couldn't add winter pack, even thought the GTI had it (with cloth).
Anyway after a good talk, he showed me his order screen from the Wolfsberg factory which said order confirmed with all my toys listed, as well as a provisional build week of WK 26 !!!!
If that's the case then ill be a happy bunny again, as he said in 15 years of working for VW, once the order screen says accepted and a "allocation week" assigned, he has never ever had a vehicle change.
So could be good news after all.
Ooh yes, the GTI they had in was a 5 Door in carbon Grey metallic. I took plenty of photos on my iPhone and ill post them later in a separate thread.
You ordered yours two weeks after mine and with a lot more spec. By that I'd expect a latest build week of 26, hopefully with everything crossed! :undecided:
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I have understood this as it will be available on cloth if there is Bi Xenon Headlights which is standard on the GTi/GTD and the leather Winter pack adjustment is for SE and GT as there is no Bi Xenon on these so it adds Headlight Washers.
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Yeah great news Norbreck.... Did you ask the Sales Manager if the demo was available for a test drive or was it purely for show only?
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Great news Norbreck! All's well that ends well!
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Apart from those who haven't ordered yet and who want cloth, heated seats, that is. Anyone like Norbreck is in luck, but it still looks like the option is no longer available on the GTD/GTI.
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Apart from those who haven't ordered yet and who want cloth, heated seats, that is. Anyone like Norbreck is in luck, but it still looks like the option is no longer available on the GTD/GTI.
I have had confirmation from VW that it is still available Jules. I actually added it tonight to my spec. :smiley: :smiley:
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Yeah great news Norbreck.... Did you ask the Sales Manager if the demo was available for a test drive or was it purely for show only?
Demo GTi won't be available for test until the end of next week apparently. They also said they are not allowed to sell it for 6 months even if someone came in and offered £10k over book price for it
Think it's going to become the managing directors car.
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That's good to hear - thanks, Craig. I'm not planning on changing for a couple of years, but I had horrible visions of spending the intervening time trying desperately to come up with a worthy successor to my GTD. Now I don't need to bother.
It does make me wonder, though - what are VW UK up to with the configurator?
1. No Carbon Grey (available since day 1).
2. No 2014 options like heated windscreen.
3. Mysterious removal of winter pack for cloth seats.
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Thanks Norbreck...
But I still find it hard to believe they're not prepared to sell for love or money... Dealers would sell their own mothers given half a chance! :grin: hahaha
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So... Cloth with heated seats is still ok? No need to get in touch with dealer to confirm?
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I'd probably still check. Whist mine "appears" at least to be progressing with its winter pack in place, if VW have since changed the goalposts since I ordered, it may or may not still affect some people.
Doesn't do any harm to check.
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I do wonder how honest these dealers are going to be when trying to sell the GTI demos that aren't full UK spec. The lack of ADC should in theory be a significant change in risk (for the worse) as far as the insurance companies go. It puzzles me why the UK demos don't have ADC, it's not as if the equipment hasn't been available before the real UK customer GTI/GTD orders will be built. Do the Irish cars have it? If not then maybe they've just built Irish spec GTIs for launch demos. If ADC is missing I wonder what else is (nothing I can see from photos already provided here).
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Maybe they haven't been type approved for the UK yet (as far as insurance goes) - only guessing ?
Either that or maybe the calibration required for the ADC cameras makes build times longer and hence with VW's desire to get demo cars into dealers hands ASAP, they deliberately missed it off to speed up production times ?
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[mad wild guessing]
Demos are for selling cars. Which really means they need to look good, and if they will be test driven then they need to drive good. So anything not going towards these aims is a waste of money.
So maybe they've said "the ADC is not going to contribute to a sale by being present on the demo, but a nice paint job, big sat nav etc might." hence the choice of equipment. Do the dealers get these demos at a huge discount? Again VW would want to save money by not providing features that they don't need to.
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My dealer confirmed with VW - cloth seats with winter pack still ok. Panic over!
I guess these things keep us occupied while we are waiting for the car to arrive......
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I guess these things keep us occupied while we are waiting for the car to arrive......
Exactly! Makes the time pass quicker!
You wait till the car is on the boat, with my mk 6 it didn't dock when it was supposed to....now trying to solve/find out about a missing boat is a poser!!! :laugh:
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And.... For what it's worth it looks like the normal winter pack option is back on the configurator in addition to the Winter pack with leather option.
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I'm going to look at the Leon tomorrow with the view of cancelling my order for the gtd. Nearly 4k cheaper for almost the same equipment including some options. sick fed up of the waiting and the way VW UK have treat people.
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I'm going to look at the Leon tomorrow with the view of cancelling my order for the gtd. Nearly 4k cheaper for almost the same equipment including some options. sick fed up of the waiting and the way VW UK have treat people.
Don't do it!
It might feel good stickin to the man right now but come winter when you see us driving around in our GTI's and GTD's there will only be regret!
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I'm going to look at the Leon tomorrow with the view of cancelling my order for the gtd. Nearly 4k cheaper for almost the same equipment including some options. sick fed up of the waiting and the way VW UK have treat people.
Stick with it mate. The Leon is not in the same class as a GTD. With the sensible hat on, what you maybe save in time and money just now (big maybe) you will lose in many £'s come resale time.
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I ordered on the 2nd April and was told late June maybe July delivery. now it's looking like September and more likely October which I didn't sign up for! VW UK are useless and I can't fathom out how others on here ordered in may and even June and have build weeks 6 to 8 weeks before me. no explanation from dealer or VW and they don't seem bothered either. if I'd wanted the car for the winter time I would keep the tiguan I have now.
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I'm going to look at the Leon tomorrow with the view of cancelling my order for the gtd. Nearly 4k cheaper for almost the same equipment including some options. sick fed up of the waiting and the way VW UK have treat people.
Not that I want you to cancel, but you can get the Leon equivalent with EVERY option for £25k. And I mean every option. That is ridiculous value IMO.
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mcmaddy, have they started shipping Leon's with the GTD engine yet? The last I heard they were saying "summer". It would be interesting the hear if Seat have got their act in any more order than VW when it comes to producing cars. I understand your frustration with VW, but value of the Leon's saving quickly disappears when you end up with a less desirable car that depreciates quickly.
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I have been looking into the Seat FR too as its a hefty initial saving and depreciation matters little if you plan to keep the car for longer. I reckon you could get a pretty good specced FR 184ps for under 20k using DrivetheDeal
The last I seen though it looks like people will be lucky to get their hands of them here this year at all
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I ordered on the 2nd April and was told late June maybe July delivery. now it's looking like September and more likely October which I didn't sign up for! VW UK are useless and I can't fathom out how others on here ordered in may and even June and have build weeks 6 to 8 weeks before me. no explanation from dealer or VW and they don't seem bothered either. if I'd wanted the car for the winter time I would keep the tiguan I have now.
I know what you mean! I'm happy for the guys who got confirmed BWs but its highly frustrating to see people who ordered maybe 6 weeks after me have a confirmed BW 6 weeks before my estimated BW!!!
Now it is apparent this is entirely due to dealer allocation I am not impressed with VW at all. Piss poor service to be honest. However, I'm sticking with it as I want that GTI soooo bad. haha
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I dont want to wait and wait and wait and oh wait some more for the gtd to come and then a) anything be wrong with it, b) for it to be a big disappointment or c) something happen to my current car which scuppers the deal altogether.
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mcmaddy, have they started shipping Leon's with the GTD engine yet? The last I heard they were saying "summer". It would be interesting the hear if Seat have got their act in any more order than VW when it comes to producing cars. I understand your frustration with VW, but value of the Leon's saving quickly disappears when you end up with a less desirable car that depreciates quickly.
I was waiting on my Leon dealer confirming the 184 FR model but he ending up telling me that October would be the earliest 'Order date', not even a delivery date. So I went and ordered the GTD instead.
I really do suspect the new engine that they share has been the hold up. And now the Golf is getting first dibs.
Keep in mind the Leon FR 184 has been reviewed since way back in December 2012!!
The whole thing is nuts!! They tried to fob me off with the 150bhp saying it was 'not much of a difference'! Yeah right lol :laugh:
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They tried to fob me off with the 150bhp saying it was 'not much of a difference'! Yeah right lol :laugh:
Wow. Just wow. :shocked:
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It's pointless getting the diesel Leon FR - the petrol 1.8 equivalent gives exactly the same consumption as the diesel Leon and speedwise (0-60 in 7.5 secs) its the same as the GTD (ok, the GTD wins on fuel consumption but you never get manufacturers stated mpg). The petrol Leon is more desirable than its diesel counterpart so that's the one to go for IMO.
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They tried to fob me off with the 150bhp saying it was 'not much of a difference'! Yeah right lol :D
Wow. Just wow. :o
(http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx265/blaarp1/992b56d5c5c2918333b18b714ae6023c_zps9629ef0c.jpg)
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They tried to fob me off with the 150bhp saying it was 'not much of a difference'! Yeah right lol :laugh:
Wow. Just wow. :shocked:
Oh yes! And I did not even mention the lack of multi-link rear suspension on the 150 Bhp model! (That is for the 180+ Bhp models only)
So about a second slower and no rear multi-link suspension...... no difference really then lol.
Oh and the GTD is band B like the Leon 150, not Band C as is the 184. Win Win for the Golf.
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VW dealers will be loving the cancelled orders as it just gives them the opportunity to order the cars into stock at a premium price. The captive orders they already had will just sit on the back burner same as now.
The only way VW will take any notice is if there is a mass boycott and people order other marques. That's not going to happen right now and they know it. They can afford their Teutonic arrogance right now. Any drop in UK sales will just enable them to concentrate on other more economical markets (LHD ones!).
As for the SEAT, an excellent choice and those that doubt the cache of the Diesel FR's will be blissfully unaware of the cult following FR TDIs have and the fact that they actually have very low depreciation in £££ terms compared to other SEATs and generally a lot of cars.
The 1.8 TSI may match or better it on paper but it won't have the same satisfying grunt.
I still have this nagging doubt that the soon to be revealed Cupra will just be a much better car than the GTI (with the bland dashboard being the only drawback). The just announced Octavia vRS looks awesome but is just too big for my purposes.
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Hate the Seat badge! and even had some badge snobbery coming from Audi to VW to overcome and all quite perverse when all in VAG stable, but it's there so admitting it -
That said quite like the Leon and the new Cupra coming looks pretty decent though if it was head to head with FR I would likely go for the Octavia vRS as do like it
Many things make up my car choice and the car I choose does not have to be the fastest or cheaper or more expensive even to fit what I am looking for and things like badge do apply in that thinking and yes over rationale of maybe a car being near the same.
I would not say I would never have a Seat or Skoda as they come a long way and they might even go beyond, but as we stand today it was only even Audi or VW nothing else considered and could have selected from pretty much most manufacturers - My gut instinct is that I am going to love this GTD the more I drive it and feel very good about my choice as I look across at other drivers :)
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My gut instinct is that I am going to love this GTD the more I drive it and feel very good about my choice as I look across at other drivers :)
What, even drivers of a Mk7 GTI?! ;)
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My gut instinct is that I am going to love this GTD the more I drive it and feel very good about my choice as I look across at other drivers :)
What, even drivers of a Mk7 GTI?! ;)
Ooh, burn! :shocked:
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I think I would opt for the Skoda vRS over the Seat equivalent too. I sat in a new Seat Leon recently and I thought the interior was shocking. I don't like the exterior looks much either, whereas the Skoda is a bit more VW looking.
That said, I wouldn't rush to buy either of them. And yes, I know they're from the same stable!
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My gut instinct is that I am going to love this GTD the more I drive it and feel very good about my choice as I look across at other drivers :)
What, even drivers of a Mk7 GTI?! ;)
Well 'most' then ;)
If for me personally the finances were not so apart I would have without question gone for the GTI and would by that, know the person opposite looking back at me from his GTI will have his own feeling of superiority over me ;)
No matter the rationale I would always do the same to a LEON and feeling is a lot of what we pay for is it not?
They are coming on though but as Audi and VW are VAG more marque names would SEAT and Skoda ever be allowed to pass? - If my limits were different though I would be very happy with that Octavia vRS though.
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Hate the Seat badge! and even had some badge snobbery coming from Audi to VW to overcome and all quite perverse when all in VAG stable, but it's there so admitting it -
That said quite like the Leon and the new Cupra coming looks pretty decent though if it was head to head with FR I would likely go for the Octavia vRS as do like it
Many things make up my car choice and the car I choose does not have to be the fastest or cheaper or more expensive even to fit what I am looking for and things like badge do apply in that thinking and yes over rationale of maybe a car being near the same.
I would not say I would never have a Seat or Skoda as they come a long way and they might even go beyond, but as we stand today it was only even Audi or VW nothing else considered and could have selected from pretty much most manufacturers - My gut instinct is that I am going to love this GTD the more I drive it and feel very good about my choice as I look across at other drivers :)
I'm the same coming from the Audi stable. When I've told some people that I'm getting a new golf they have commented that it seems a backwards step even though its a GTI. However, these are people that don't know a great deal about cars.
In terms of Seat and Skoda I just wouldn't ever purchase one. There is a hierarchy in the VW group and both Seat and Skoda are below VW and they will no doubt remain there. So regardless of how quick the Cupra or the VRS may be they will never have the quality of the golf.
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I run a Skoda CR TDI VRS DSG which is now just over 3 years old. I have been offered £11000 part exchange and am assured I can get in excess of £12000 privately. As I purchased it through drivethedeal for £18,000 I am more than pleased with a) its performance b) its economy at 50 mph c) the enormous boot which carries half the household on extended continental holidays and d) the residual value which betters GTI's of similar age. Why have I ordered a new GTI you may ask ( as does my wife who is not impressed with the Golf's boot space) ? Baldly put ,because I am brassed off with the hassle of finding decent sized parking in the larger cities , particularly as its replacement will be even bigger. What I have experienced after 3 years is a great motorng experience comparable with the Mk 5 I previously owned
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My gut instinct is that I am going to love this GTD the more I drive it and feel very good about my choice as I look across at other drivers :)
What, even drivers of a Mk7 GTI?! ;)
Well 'most' then ;)
If for me personally the finances were not so apart I would have without question gone for the GTI and would by that, know the person opposite looking back at me from his GTI will have his own feeling of superiority over me ;)
No matter the rationale I would always do the same to a LEON and feeling is a lot of what we pay for is it not?
They are coming on though but as Audi and VW are VAG more marque names would SEAT and Skoda ever be allowed to pass? - If my limits were different though I would be very happy with that Octavia vRS though.
Until you drove past him at the pump! ;D
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Well 'most' then ;)
If for me personally the finances were not so apart I would have without question gone for the GTI and would by that, know the person opposite looking back at me from his GTI will have his own feeling of superiority over me ;)
No matter the rationale I would always do the same to a LEON and feeling is a lot of what we pay for is it not?
They are coming on though but as Audi and VW are VAG more marque names would SEAT and Skoda ever be allowed to pass? - If my limits were different though I would be very happy with that Octavia vRS though.
Haha! Your GTD is a damn fine car, and you are absolutely right that feeling has a lot to do with the purchase decision.
No, SEAT and Skoda will not be allowed to pass, but I agree on the Octavia vRS. My cousin had an older vRS and it was a really good car for the money. Compared to my golf though, it appeared the same when you first sat in it, but then you noticed all the cheaper materials and short-cuts. They may have got better now, but so have VW. Yes it's a badge-thing, but it's warranted with the superior build quality, and that's something I value!
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I'm going to look at the Leon tomorrow with the view of cancelling my order for the gtd. Nearly 4k cheaper for almost the same equipment including some options. sick fed up of the waiting and the way VW UK have treat people.
Haha what?? So what you're going to do is cancel your order with a subsidiary of VAG and buy a car from another subsidiary of VAG?
In what way does the company lose out in this?
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I'm going to look at the Leon tomorrow with the view of cancelling my order for the gtd. Nearly 4k cheaper for almost the same equipment including some options. sick fed up of the waiting and the way VW UK have treat people.
Haha what?? So what you're going to do is cancel your order with a subsidiary of VAG and buy a car from another subsidiary of VAG?
In what way does the company lose out in this?
At what point did I say I was cancelling in protest?? I still need a car and technically if I pay less for a Leon then vag are getting less money!!
As for this badge snobbery conversation I can't believe what I'm reading!! Exactly the same bits go into a seat, Skoda, VW and believe it or not an Audi! If you think your getting a better quality of part just because you've got an Audi over a VW or seat or Skoda then you need to have a long chat with yourself. if you look on etka the same parts numbers are across the whole brand its just Audi charge you more because you've got an Audi and they play you into thinking your getting something special from them. I don't see Audi or VW anywhere near the top of the customer satisfaction tables but Skoda consistently out do all the other vag brands. Considering they are supposed to be the 'poor relation'in the group I think Audi and VW swell as seat could learn a thing or two but then again with all this snobbery they probably think they are the best anyway!!
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I'm going to look at the Leon tomorrow with the view of cancelling my order for the gtd. Nearly 4k cheaper for almost the same equipment including some options. sick fed up of the waiting and the way VW UK have treat people.
Haha what?? So what you're going to do is cancel your order with a subsidiary of VAG and buy a car from another subsidiary of VAG?
In what way does the company lose out in this?
At what point did I say I was cancelling in protest?? I still need a car and technically if I pay less for a Leon then vag are getting less money!!
As for this badge snobbery conversation I can't believe what I'm reading!! Exactly the same bits go into a seat, Skoda, VW and believe it or not an Audi! If you think your getting a better quality of part just because you've got an Audi over a VW or seat or Skoda then you need to have a long chat with yourself. if you look on etka the same parts numbers are across the whole brand its just Audi charge you more because you've got an Audi and they play you into thinking your getting something special from them. I don't see Audi or VW anywhere near the top of the customer satisfaction tables but Skoda consistently out do all the other vag brands. Considering they are supposed to be the 'poor relation'in the group I think Audi and VW swell as seat could learn a thing or two but then again with all this snobbery they probably think they are the best anyway!!
Well you said you were going to look with a view of cancelling your order. I'm just surmising from the thread it was in protest, it would make sense.
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As mcmaddy has said they all use the same parts and now they are all using MQB platform so engines and running gear all the same just different body panels used depending on model
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Personally said the 'feeling' goes against any rationale that can be placed on common parts and specifications as we all see and understand them but fact remains its how you feel that is a big factor too - Also there maybe many shared common parts and specifications but finish is invariably less in quality and that cabin feel plays a big part to.
We all quite educated here, drove many cars of all different qualities and you think we would see the black and white logic and yet we still say there is a difference and we are prepared to pay more for it? So there must be one and many have questioned me on this change (BMW and Audi drivers) as to why am I moving 'down' to a VW!
Understand your logic as of course it makes total sense but car buying and logic? never 2 words that have gone together well as heart takes over the mind ;)
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For what it's worth:
I've just come off a 4 year deal with Audi... A4 20.T S-line - the worst experience I have ever has with a car (Brilliant when it was working, but boy did it spend time in the garage!) Seat used to be on my options (company car), but every time someone priced one it was always cheaper to order a VW due to resale values. The GTD I have ordered is cheaper than a series on a monthly basis and cheaper than a Focus, A3 by, about £80 a month (£30 cheaper than than the Focus) mostly to to with resale values. The reason is, I am told, that 2nd hand high spec Golf Diesel's are so highly sought after
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For what it's worth:
I've just come off a 4 year deal with Audi... A4 20.T S-line - the worst experience I have ever has with a car (Brilliant when it was working, but boy did it spend time in the garage!) Seat used to be on my options (company car), but every time someone priced one it was always cheaper to order a VW due to resale values. The GTD I have ordered is cheaper than a series on a monthly basis and cheaper than a Focus, A3 by, about £80 a month (£30 cheaper than than the Focus) mostly to to with resale values. The reason is, I am told, that 2nd hand high spec Golf Diesel's are so highly sought after
Great point as from a company car perspective the gap closes considerably as all sorts of intangibles come into play on how they price them - Reason did not go GTI was because of C02 incentives made a near chasm of a difference to the GTD and actually saving me quite a bit of ££ over model have now.
My A3 has been perfect not a single issue and I just think across the more recognised brands you do sometimes just get a bad one and that by switching brands you not protected from it in anyway.
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I'm going to look at the Leon tomorrow with the view of cancelling my order for the gtd. Nearly 4k cheaper for almost the same equipment including some options. sick fed up of the waiting and the way VW UK have treat people.
Haha what?? So what you're going to do is cancel your order with a subsidiary of VAG and buy a car from another subsidiary of VAG?
In what way does the company lose out in this?
At what point did I say I was cancelling in protest?? I still need a car and technically if I pay less for a Leon then vag are getting less money!!
As for this badge snobbery conversation I can't believe what I'm reading!! Exactly the same bits go into a seat, Skoda, VW and believe it or not an Audi! If you think your getting a better quality of part just because you've got an Audi over a VW or seat or Skoda then you need to have a long chat with yourself. if you look on etka the same parts numbers are across the whole brand its just Audi charge you more because you've got an Audi and they play you into thinking your getting something special from them. I don't see Audi or VW anywhere near the top of the customer satisfaction tables but Skoda consistently out do all the other vag brands. Considering they are supposed to be the 'poor relation'in the group I think Audi and VW swell as seat could learn a thing or two but then again with all this snobbery they probably think they are the best anyway!!
I'll be the first to admit that in terms of cars I am a definite car snob. A lot is to do with desirability and that's where imo Audi trumps VW and VW trumps both Skoda and SEAT's. IMO the vast majority of people who drive Skoda's and Seat just want a car that will get them from A to B so provided running costs are low and reliability is fairly good then they are going to score well in customer surveys. Most of these people don't care about car brands and that's absolutely fine; they would rather go on nice holidays abroad or spend their money on other things. For me, I love my cars and that's where I would rather spend my hard earned.
I like cars that are head turners and to me Skoda's and SEAT's are not those type of cars. Sorry if this offends but it's just my opinion
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Great point as from a company car perspective the gap closes considerably as all sorts of intangibles come into play on how they price them - Reason did not go GTI was because of C02 incentives made a near chasm of a difference to the GTD saving quite a bit of ££ over model have now.
My A3 has been perfect not a single issue and I just think across the more recognised brands you do sometimes just get a bad one and that by switching brands you not protected from it in anyway.
.... Agreed, CO2 puts the GTI at a ridiculous cost, I also know the lease company got the hump after spending £9k on the A4 over 4 years...oops! :smiley:
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I'm going to look at the Leon tomorrow with the view of cancelling my order for the gtd. Nearly 4k cheaper for almost the same equipment including some options. sick fed up of the waiting and the way VW UK have treat people.
Haha what?? So what you're going to do is cancel your order with a subsidiary of VAG and buy a car from another subsidiary of VAG?
In what way does the company lose out in this?
At what point did I say I was cancelling in protest?? I still need a car and technically if I pay less for a Leon then vag are getting less money!!
As for this badge snobbery conversation I can't believe what I'm reading!! Exactly the same bits go into a seat, Skoda, VW and believe it or not an Audi! If you think your getting a better quality of part just because you've got an Audi over a VW or seat or Skoda then you need to have a long chat with yourself. if you look on etka the same parts numbers are across the whole brand its just Audi charge you more because you've got an Audi and they play you into thinking your getting something special from them. I don't see Audi or VW anywhere near the top of the customer satisfaction tables but Skoda consistently out do all the other vag brands. Considering they are supposed to be the 'poor relation'in the group I think Audi and VW swell as seat could learn a thing or two but then again with all this snobbery they probably think they are the best anyway!!
I'll be the first to admit that in terms of cars I am a definite car snob. A lot is to do with desirability and that's where imo Audi trumps VW and VW trumps both Skoda and SEAT's. IMO the vast majority of people who drive Skoda's and Seat just want a car that will get them from A to B so provided running costs are low and reliability is fairly good then they are going to score well in customer surveys. Most of these people don't care about car brands and that's absolutely fine; they would rather go on nice holidays abroad or spend their money on other things. For me, I love my cars and that's where I would rather spend my hard earned.
I like cars that are head turners and to me Skoda's and SEAT's are not those type of cars. Sorry if this offends but it's just my opinion
I never would judge anyone on an option or a car choice or on anything as we each so different in what makes us tick - some will get turned on by MPG others by .1 of a second or if see some of cars round here the lowest you can get a car to ground without it touching is your thing! ;)
If I was really worried about image I may have stayed with Audi or gave into all it would have taken to go GTI so by going GTD I have I feel fallen somewhere in the middle and quite comfortable I am with my choice :)
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Sorry guys but of a sh1tty day at work. Patience is a bit thin and the new car buzz has definitely driven off. Something that was exciting in April when I ordered has been totally ruined by a potential and likely mid September delivery. I personally couldn't buy an Audi knowing that a VW, seat and Skoda do the job I need out of a car just as good. Same warranty on all cars, same parts etc etc and build quality is subjective. I loved my 2005 Leon fr diesel and yes you could tell it didn't quite have the same thud of a VW Golf door but I knew that when I bought it. If I could just get an explanation as to why I was told June/July and is now expected September it would help. I might not be happy still but at least I'd know. if it's down to me changing my order then that's fine I'd know. if it's something at the factory fine but I'd know.
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Sorry guys but of a sh1tty day at work. Patience is a bit thin and the new car buzz has definitely driven off. Something that was exciting in April when I ordered has been totally ruined by a potential and likely mid September delivery. I personally couldn't buy an Audi knowing that a VW, seat and Skoda do the job I need out of a car just as good. Same warranty on all cars, same parts etc etc and build quality is subjective. I loved my 2005 Leon fr diesel and yes you could tell it didn't quite have the same thud of a VW Golf door but I knew that when I bought it. If I could just get an explanation as to why I was told June/July and is now expected September it would help. I might not be happy still but at least I'd know. if it's down to me changing my order then that's fine I'd know. if it's something at the factory fine but I'd know.
It's frustrating when it seems so far away but honestly September will be here before you know it. The worst thing you could do is cancel just now, as sure as hell, you will end up regretting it when a new GTD pulls up alongside you on the road. I know it's easier said than done but try and enjoy the summer and put out of your mind for a while :smiley: :smiley:
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I'm going to look at the Leon tomorrow with the view of cancelling my order for the gtd. Nearly 4k cheaper for almost the same equipment including some options. sick fed up of the waiting and the way VW UK have treat people.
Haha what?? So what you're going to do is cancel your order with a subsidiary of VAG and buy a car from another subsidiary of VAG?
In what way does the company lose out in this?
At what point did I say I was cancelling in protest?? I still need a car and technically if I pay less for a Leon then vag are getting less money!!
As for this badge snobbery conversation I can't believe what I'm reading!! Exactly the same bits go into a seat, Skoda, VW and believe it or not an Audi! If you think your getting a better quality of part just because you've got an Audi over a VW or seat or Skoda then you need to have a long chat with yourself. if you look on etka the same parts numbers are across the whole brand its just Audi charge you more because you've got an Audi and they play you into thinking your getting something special from them. I don't see Audi or VW anywhere near the top of the customer satisfaction tables but Skoda consistently out do all the other vag brands. Considering they are supposed to be the 'poor relation'in the group I think Audi and VW swell as seat could learn a thing or two but then again with all this snobbery they probably think they are the best anyway!!
I'll be the first to admit that in terms of cars I am a definite car snob. A lot is to do with desirability and that's where imo Audi trumps VW and VW trumps both Skoda and SEAT's. IMO the vast majority of people who drive Skoda's and Seat just want a car that will get them from A to B so provided running costs are low and reliability is fairly good then they are going to score well in customer surveys. Most of these people don't care about car brands and that's absolutely fine; they would rather go on nice holidays abroad or spend their money on other things. For me, I love my cars and that's where I would rather spend my hard earned.
I like cars that are head turners and to me Skoda's and SEAT's are not those type of cars. Sorry if this offends but it's just my opinion
You might call them more 'stomach turners' than 'head turners' then? :laugh:
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I like cars that are head turners and to me Skoda's and SEAT's are not those type of cars. Sorry if this offends but it's just my opinion
You're right, they're not head turners. Not in a good way anyway. That said I think it is deliberate. They don't intend to compete with VW or Audi, so they pick a different styling. Skoda goes for more solid and chunky, maybe to get over their reputation on reliability. Seat picks a more flamboyant style, but in a way that says "I'm plastic, not metal, but that makes me affordable and from a distance who can tell?" That is how the brands speak to me anyway.
Also Craig is right about regretting cancelling. Don't do it unless your sure maddy! Things might be about to get better... And there is always us lot to cheer you up :laugh:.
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haha :grin:
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haha :grin:
That was to Valenni right? :tongue:
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Hmmm, I never get the car snobbery thing and I hate all snobbery anyway, we're all flesh and blood.
The comments from Audi owners amuse me the most when they get sniffy about Skodas and SEATs as the guy/girl in one of the latter 'lesser' marques has their own version of events knowing they're driving a relative bargain. Some people follow the crowd and some people follow their brain.
Having said that I've been around the VW scene a great number of years and most VW owners have a certain arrogance about them towards other brands and I'm as guilty as any other at times. Even if I won the Euro Millions I'd still have a VW amongst my fleet. Granted it would be a very special one and probably a lot more than just one!!
An American sticker I saw on a back of a VW at a show many years ago said it all "If it ain't VW, it ain't sh!t"
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An American sticker I saw on a back of a VW at a show many years ago said it all "If it ain't VW, it ain't sh!t"
So he is saying VW are sh!t? :laugh:
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Hmmm, I never get the car snobbery thing and I hate all snobbery anyway, we're all flesh and blood.
The comments from Audi owners amuse me the most when they get sniffy about Skodas and SEATs as the guy/girl in one of the latter 'lesser' marques has their own version of events knowing they're driving a relative bargain. Some people follow the crowd and some people follow their brain.
Having said that I've been around the VW scene a great number of years and most VW owners have a certain arrogance about them towards other brands and I'm as guilty as any other at times. Even if I won the Euro Millions I'd still have a VW amongst my fleet. Granted it would be a very special one and probably a lot more than just one!!
An American sticker I saw on a back of a VW at a show many years ago said it all "If it ain't VW, it ain't sh!t"
It's not being sniffy, it's just being realistic. Audi is a premium brand, Skoda and SEAT ain't - Fact!
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Audi isn't a premium brand! At least Skoda and seat don't think they are a premium brand where Audi do.
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Audi isn't a premium brand! At least Skoda and seat don't think they are a premium brand where Audi do.
How are we defining premium brand here? Is BMW premium? Jaguar?
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Audi isn't a premium brand! At least Skoda and seat don't think they are a premium brand where Audi do.
How are we defining premium brand here? Is BMW premium? Jaguar?
Exactly its all subjective. I personally don't think Audi is any more premium than VW and considering they have exactly the same parts in them but your just charged more for the privilege that must make all vag cars premium?
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Audi isn't a premium brand! At least Skoda and seat don't think they are a premium brand where Audi do.
How are we defining premium brand here? Is BMW premium? Jaguar?
Exactly its all subjective. I personally don't think Audi is any more premium than VW and considering they have exactly the same parts in them but your just charged more for the privilege that must make all vag cars premium?
Do VW, SEAT or Skoda produce anything that is equivalent to the RS range? Do they produce a supercar like the R8? Would people be prepared to pay £100k for any of the VW, SEAT or Skoda's on sale just now? I reckon if you asked car enthusiasts the vast majority would say that Audi is more of a premium brand than VW
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This is human behaviour that extends to pretty much most things - I pay extra for a car that gives me that feeling others I feel cannot and wife spends a fortune on shoes that look no different from last pair she bought and pair before that ;) Why do we buy Adidas over perfectly good unbranded trainers? Ray Ban over etc etc
The extra ££ can be linked to greater quality but it is as much linked to how it makes someone feel and as we all readily pay for that logic will always lose.
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Audi isn't a premium brand! At least Skoda and seat don't think they are a premium brand where Audi do.
How are we defining premium brand here? Is BMW premium? Jaguar?
Exactly its all subjective. I personally don't think Audi is any more premium than VW and considering they have exactly the same parts in them but your just charged more for the privilege that must make all vag cars premium?
Do VW, SEAT or Skoda produce anything that is equivalent to the RS range? Do they produce a supercar like the R8? Would people be prepared to pay £100k for any of the VW, SEAT or Skoda's on sale just now? I reckon if you asked car enthusiasts the vast majority would say that Audi is more of a premium brand than VW
I agree with you, however I think individual cars can break free of the overall brand. Personally I don't like any other VW cars other than the Golf and Polo.
The Golf GTI is so iconic and best in class it could/should almost be a brand in its own right. You hear it all the time from the 'experts' and commoners alke if you are wealthy enough to own supercars you will always need a Golf GTI in your garage :smiley:
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The only premium brand in the vag group is Bugatti. The entire argument is down to audi being the same as vw the same as seat and the same as skoda but paying a premium for a badge. It's the badge snobbery that I just don't understand and can't be ar5ed with :huh:
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The only premium brand in the vag group is Bugatti. The entire argument is down to audi being the same as vw the same as seat and the same as skoda but paying a premium for a badge. It's the badge snobbery that I just don't understand and can't be ar5ed with :huh:
We'll just need to agree to disagree on this one pal :smiley:
p.s. The VAG group also own Bentley and Lamborghini which are perhaps premium?
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They've just bought up most of Porsche too :laugh: seriously knocking the Audi/VW/seat/Skoda down the pecking order now :grin: :grin:
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They've just bought up most of Porsche too :laugh: seriously knocking the Audi/VW/seat/Skoda down the pecking order now :grin: :grin:
Yes, I don't think we can leave Bentley or Lamborghini off the list. Porsche too... although I'm never sure if they own VAG or if VAG own them!
I mentioned BMW and Jaguar because those two are competing with Audi, Mercedes too. VW are competing with Ford. In that way Audi is a premium over VW. But VW is a premium brand over Hyundai. It's all relative. The cars may have the same base parts but I don't know anyone who would swap their Golf for a Fabia.
Having said that I'd take BMW or Mercedes over Audi any day, and Jaguar over the lot of them without question.... So maybe Audi aren't as premium as they like to think!
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Porsche too... although I'm never sure if they own VAG or if VAG own them!
It's all relative.
Even within Porsche there is snobbery - who wants a cheapo Boxter when you can have a 911 C2 S?! :laugh:
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Porsche too... although I'm never sure if they own VAG or if VAG own them!
It's all relative.
Even within Porsche there is snobbery - who wants a cheapo Boxter when you can have a 911 C2 S?! :laugh:
I would take a boxter. Think the new boxter and cayman look ace :smiley: :smiley:
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I would take a boxter. Think the new boxter and cayman look ace :smiley: :smiley:
Cayman - yes
Boxter - no
Basically every Porsche you will pass will be better than the Boxter you're driving - and there's snobbery right there from me! :laugh:
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I would take a boxter. Think the new boxter and cayman look ace :smiley: :smiley:
Yeah, Cayman looks cool.... course, isn't it like £60k after adding a few options though? haha
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Cayman - yes
Boxter - no
You said it not me! I was holding back in case he's just bought a boxter. :laugh:
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You said it not me! I was holding back in case he's just bought a boxter. :laugh:
Ha! I don't mean any offence, the Boxter is an excellent car - the point I'm making is that I freely admit to being a car snob and therefore I wouldn't drive one as I would know I was driving the base model - I'd rather spend the same money on a top of the range other brand of car!
Car snobbery at its best!
PS I am not a snob apart from with cars, promise! :laugh:
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PS I am not a snob apart from with cars, promise! :laugh:
What is a snob anyway? I won't buy a computer with less than a certain amount of power, does that make me a computer snob, or am I just setting a requirement? :grin: Otherwise I'm a snob with computers... and phones. And cars. And houses. And restaurants. And probably a whole lot of other things.... We bears like to have high standards. :evil:
I'm also a slob but I'll save that for another thread. :shocked::lipsrsealed:
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I'm also a slob but I'll save that for another thread. :shocked::lipsrsealed:
:grin: :grin: Made me LOL!
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Cayman - yes
Boxter - no
You said it not me! I was holding back in case he's just bought a boxter. :laugh:
:grin: :grin: :grin: don't worry a Boxter wouldn't suit me, I need a hardtop to hide the helicopter pad on my head :grin:
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:grin: I wouldn't worry, I have a full head of hair and when I've had the roof down I step out of the car looking like one of those buffon doll trolls, so you can't win!! :grin:
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:grin: I wouldn't worry, I have a full head of hair and when I've had the roof down I step out of the car looking like one of those buffon doll trolls, so you can't win!! :grin:
One of my many girlfriends has a TT RS Roadster so I know what you mean regards the hair getting messy! :smiley: