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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: matchboy on 05 May 2013, 18:18

Title: Tyres
Post by: matchboy on 05 May 2013, 18:18
What tyres are you hoping for on your new GTI/GTD? Personally, I'm hoping its anything but Dunlops - awful tyre and shockingly poor grip. I'm keeping my fingers crossed my GTI comes with some Bridgestones.
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Post by: mcmaddy on 05 May 2013, 18:26
Unfortunately it will be Dunlop's as they seem to be the tyre of choice at the moment for VW. The dunlops will be fine and certainly better than Bridgestone!
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Post by: monkeyhanger on 05 May 2013, 18:45
Dunlops are sh!te, give me Pirellis or Continentals every time. Michelin are my preference, but i've never seen a VAG car with those supplied from the factory.

3 tyres with sidewall bulges from the most minor of pothole bumps in the 1st winter of ownership with my Dunlop Sport Maxx shod 1st Roc. If the new car comes with Dunlops you can bet your life that you'll be replacing those front 2 for tyre damage long before they've had a chance to wear out. If you get a wrecked Dunlop, don't get a replacement Dunlop, replace the pair with another make or you'll be throwing good money after bad (and keep the undamaged Dunlop as a spare for the rears). No issues like that with the newer Roc which came with Pirelli P7s.
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Post by: Chriscav on 05 May 2013, 18:46
I would like Michelins also. But likewise have never seen these on a vag car.
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Post by: Jimble on 05 May 2013, 19:18
Mine has sport maxx's on and they are shocking in the wet but the best or worst thing about them is they last for ages cos they're so hard! Mine have still got a couple of thousand miles left and they're on 16k now.
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Post by: JonnyG on 05 May 2013, 19:19
My new ED 30 came with Michelins (Pilot Exaltos) as OEM, but I've not seen any recent Golfs with them. 

I see Vauxhall have started to use Hankook as OEM tyres on the Astra.   
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: mcmaddy on 05 May 2013, 19:39
 Nothing wrong with the standard Dunlop rt tyres. Pirelli P7s are rubbish and michelins are over rated and expensive. I've got 19” dunlops on my tiguan at the minute and apart from the age of them they are fine. good in the wet and good in the dry. It's horses for courses really as everyone will have a favourite brand. I had continental on my Leon fr and they were brilliant. subsequent continental tyres have been rubbish by all accounts with the conti sport 3 suffering from tyre split.
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: Jimble on 05 May 2013, 20:03
Nothing wrong with the standard Dunlop rt tyres. Pirelli P7s are rubbish and michelins are over rated and expensive. I've got 19” dunlops on my tiguan at the minute and apart from the age of them they are fine. good in the wet and good in the dry. It's horses for courses really as everyone will have a favourite brand. I had continental on my Leon fr and they were brilliant. subsequent continental tyres have been rubbish by all accounts with the conti sport 3 suffering from tyre split.

Tbf though, you've got them on a 4wd car so that'll be doing a lot of the work, lets see if you feel the same when your trying to put 180 horses through the front tyres? :whistle:
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: mcmaddy on 05 May 2013, 20:56
4wd isn't the holy grail of tyres. if the tyres were bad they would be bad no matter. I had bridgestones on the mk5 golf and jetta and they were fine if a little noisy. With the gti/gtd mk7 being new we won't know what its like on tyres until we've driven them. if the dunlops are crap I'll hold my hands up and say so  :smiley:
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Post by: Gung-Ho on 05 May 2013, 21:23
I'd be quite happy if they came with a set of Continental SportContacts (as what came standard on my Mk6 GTi and funnily enough Focus ST). Failing that a set of Goodyear Asymmetrics of Pirelli P-Zero's wouldn't go amiss.

Does anyone know if the tyres will be different on the standard 18" wheels as opposed to the optional 19" Santiago's? (Apart from tyre size obviously)
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Post by: AAddict on 05 May 2013, 21:27
I just hope they're not Continentals as the ones on my MK6 are terrible in the wet but on the plus side they never wear down (as mentioned above). Ok for a less sporting model, but not ideal on a GTI.
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: matchboy on 05 May 2013, 21:28
Infesting people's different experiences. I can only comment on what I've had and Bridgestones were very good, the Dunlops I had on my mk 5 GTI were shocking - noisy and went through them very quickly. Continentals were decent as well.
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: mcmaddy on 05 May 2013, 21:49
Looking at the mytyres website the pirelli p7 blue comes out near the top but it's not a sport tyre. Dunlop sport maxx rt I'd one of the better ones. interestingly Michelin, continental and bridgestone are nowhere near.
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Post by: Gung-Ho on 05 May 2013, 21:52
I just hope they're not Continentals as the ones on my MK6 are terrible in the wet but on the plus side they never wear down (as mentioned above). Ok for a less sporting model, but not ideal on a GTI.

Really? I've never had a problem with my Continentals on either cars... But then again judging by all the comments on here so far, we all have differing opinions (all good for a healthy debate). I agree It's probably not the most extreme UHP tyre on the market, but then again I think its a pretty good all rounder for everyday use.
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Post by: Sootchucker on 05 May 2013, 22:25
I'd love to get the same Pirelli tyres as on the current Scirocco I have. Superb in the wet or dry, really quiet and lasts ages. Currently on 18k miles and still have 5mm on the front. Oh, and they are sef sealing as well.

Very much doubt it, although the wife has Dunlops I found out today on her Polo SEL with the factory 17" Boavista alloys, and they are quiet, long lasting and according to her at least, great in the wet. Guess well have to see ?
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Post by: Exonian on 05 May 2013, 23:26
Admittedly I've not given this any consideration as I have a set of BBSs that I'm likely going to run on the mk7.
The BBSs have Contis on and I like the tyres (as tyres go, they're round and black and I get no end of stick from females cos I put tyre black on them!!) but the Swastika Monzas or Austins or whatever they're called look very easy to clean so I may stick with them.

Anyone care to photoshop 10mm spacers onto an Austin equipped GTI?

Anyway, I'm not that bothered what tyres the car comes with, I'm sure they all meet some VW standards and the Contis are noisy.

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Post by: Gryzor on 06 May 2013, 08:56
I can't remember what where originally on my Mk5, but I have used the Continental Sport Contact range for years now, and never had a problem with them.
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Post by: monkeyhanger on 06 May 2013, 09:22
My MK5 Golf GT Sport TDI170 on 17" wheels came with Bridgestone Potenzas which were great in the dry but poor in the wet and very hard wearing. I only kept that car for 18k miles but there was still loads of wear left on them. "Tramping" of the wheels taking off from a busy roundabout was quite a hazard, but unsure whether the car or the tyres were to blame.
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Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 06 May 2013, 10:08
"Tramping" of the wheels taking off from a busy roundabout was quite a hazard, but unsure whether the car or the tyres were to blame.

Definitely the car. My scirocco just can't put the power down through the front tyres and I often suffer from 'tramping'. Lets hope the new 'Anti-Tramping' tech solves this on the new GTD/GTI.

BTW I had Dunlop SP Sport 07's on my Scirocco (from factory) and I got an absurd amount miles out of them. Think I got 30k out of them before I felt the need to change (i used to rotate regular). They still had 3mm on them but I was starting to lose a lot of grip and switched to a new set (for safety's sake).

I've now got Avon ZZ5's on the front. Very good tyre. Quiet and great in wet or dry conditions. I know they seem like budget tyres but I can seriously recommend them if you don't want to splash the cash. Lots of other folk on the Scirocco forums have switched to them with no regrets.
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Post by: Gung-Ho on 06 May 2013, 11:12

I've now got Avon ZZ5's on the front. Very good tyre. Quiet and great in wet or dry conditions. I know they seem like budget tyres but I can seriously recommend them if you don't want to splash the cash. Lots of other folk on the Scirocco forums have switched to them with no regrets.

Yeah there's definitely a lot of "budget" middle of the range tyres out that don't cost the earth but still offer decent levels of performance... The Avons being one of them, but I've also found the Toyo Proxes & Falkens 452's equally as good.
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: Gung-Ho on 06 May 2013, 11:51
Reading on the motortrend GTi review thread it quoted "For the U.S., VW is currently saying that the 18-inchers will be standard, with no word on the 19-inchers. Summer tires will be an option and, after much prodding, VW admitted it will consider an optional cup tire".

I know it doesn't affect us here in Europe but does anyone know what they are referring to with reference to 'Cup Tyre?'.... They're surely not referring to a road legal semi slick are they?
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: mcmaddy on 06 May 2013, 12:58
sounds that way.
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Post by: david25 on 06 May 2013, 13:27
If you can "afford" the time and hassle, then drive your new GTI to a tyre shop, swap to your preferred brand and sell the Dunlops as "new" on ebay.
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: mcmaddy on 06 May 2013, 14:31
If you can "afford" the time and hassle, then drive your new GTI to a tyre shop, swap to your preferred brand and sell the Dunlops as "new" on ebay.

why?
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 07 May 2013, 09:48
Interesting to note that the tyres on the photo Jimble posted are: Dunlop Sport Maxx GT

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=253381.0

My last VW also came with Dunlop's but as others have posted here there are all manner of brands slapped on at the factory.

We shall see.. All part of the anticipation..
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: david25 on 07 May 2013, 11:19
If you can "afford" the time and hassle, then drive your new GTI to a tyre shop, swap to your preferred brand and sell the Dunlops as "new" on ebay.

why?

It would seem no-one like Dunlops on here.
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: monkeyhanger on 07 May 2013, 11:41
I just don't like replacing tyres that aren't worn out because they have fragile sidewall belting (compared to other makes I have had in the same tyre size).
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: mcmaddy on 07 May 2013, 12:03
Dunlop RT's are whats been in most photos. The GT's are what are on my tiguan and they have not suffered any sidewall bulge at all. Maybe they had a bad batch of dunlops and this caused sidewall failure. All in all I see it being a bit pointless changing brand new tyres just for the sake of it. You may as well get some use out them and you never know they may very well be a good tyre.
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: monkeyhanger on 07 May 2013, 12:40
mcmaddy: bigger sidewalls on yours and being made specifically to take a few bumps might be what have saved your tyres, after all if a Tiguan is expected to take a lot more stick from surfaces than a Golf/Scirocco is if it actually goes off road then i'd expect the tyres to be a bit more robust.

Tried to phone Mick to make the changes - answerphone (he must have caller ID   :grin:).
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: mcmaddy on 07 May 2013, 12:51
He's off today i found out.

Same sidewall on the tiguan as on the golf. Granted they are 255 40 19 but 40 sidewall the same.
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: Sootchucker on 07 May 2013, 13:09
Same sidewall on the tiguan as on the golf. Granted they are 255 40 19 but 40 sidewall the same.

Actually, slightly different bud. 255 x 40 tyres have a 102mm sidewall (approx), where as the 225 x 40 on the Golf has 90mm wall. Doesn't sound like much, but I think the lesser 10-12mm of the GTI tyres results in a stiffer sidewall that's probably not as resistant to hard impacts.

Whilst I would rather not have Dunlops (from a previous experience), I certainly won't be swapping them out unless they are dangerous, in which case VW would be involved. I going to at least give them a try before condemning them. As I said the wife has 215 x40 x17 R Dunlop Sportmaxx's on here Polo, and to be honest, they are not a bad tyre. Good life, low noise and (on the Polo at least), pretty good in the wet or dry, although the Polo has less than 100ps and the GTD and GTI's approx 200 plus and heavier, so could make a difference ?
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: mcmaddy on 07 May 2013, 13:24
i agree they are not an exact size match but i havent had any problems with sidewall bulge and the tiguan weighs considerably more than a golf or scirocco. I just think people are being a bit hasty in condeming the dunlops before theyve even driven them. With the mk7 suspension improvements they may well be fine.
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: matchboy on 07 May 2013, 13:31
I've had Dunlops before and they are sh1te!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: monkeyhanger on 07 May 2013, 13:35
I certainly won't be swapping them out unless they are dangerous, in which case VW would be involved. I going to at least give them a try before condemning them.

My sidewall bulged tyres were changed as soon as discovered them - quite a safety concern. VW didn't give a rats arse about the issue. I had my suspension checked and it was fine, there were no sidewall scuffs or impact marks (which is where you usually expect to see the cause of a sidewall bulge). I argued the toss with them that they weren't fit for purpose. My dealership was sympathetic but would not help as they would not see any reimbursement from VW UK if they did. Their offer of "trade price" replacement tyres was fair, but I didn't take them up on it as the tyres on offer were cheaper at ATS online or at Costco.

Believe me, there is nothing that will piss you off more than having to shell out £480 over the space of a few weeks on tyres that are nowhere near worn out when you're in the middle of paying for the cost of Christmas.

Tiguan tyres will have a higher weight rating in likelihood (my Sciroccos both came with "95" rated tyres).
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: monkeyhanger on 07 May 2013, 13:40
He's off today i found out.

He's avoiding you, the caller ID works. :laugh: He returned my call and I made the colour change (Tornado Red) on mine and added on my dad's extended warranty.

So your ACC is officially ordered now according to Mick.

He said that he will not find any more about build/delivery times until we are into week 22 and everything for MY14 starts to get assigned. If we have to wait until week 22 to get on the schedule I doubt we'll be getting ours built on week 22. Hopefully assignment follows the logic of when cars were ordered, allowing for some options that may possibly slow the build down (like maybe doing a campaign of sunroof models together etc?
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Post by: mcmaddy on 07 May 2013, 13:48
I spoke to reception and they said he was off!!!! bloody hopeless haha. Your right Matthew they have a higher rated load on them, my mistake sorry pal.
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: JonnyG on 07 May 2013, 19:59
Interesting to note that the tyres on the photo Jimble posted are: Dunlop Sport Maxx GT

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=253381.0

Good spot  :smiley:   The Golf R came with Dunlop Sport Maxx GT's as standard on the 19" Talladegas Alloys and they were quite good actually and a lot better than the ordinary Sport Maxx that I had on my R32 before that.  The GT's were grippy and quiet, but did tend to wear a bit quicker than the ordinary Sport Maxx's.     
Title: Re: Tyres
Post by: matchboy on 16 May 2013, 15:05
Interestingly, the video that CraigW posted in the GTI Review thread yesterday shows the GTI with Dunlops on it - I'm guessing VW have some sort of contract with them.  Which is annoying.  :angry: