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Title: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: justalex81 on 01 March 2013, 12:10
What would you charge and how long do you think it would it take you, to redraw images like these to make them look slicker and more professional? All other installers use images taken from their suppliers websites. I don't want to do this.

I've had a quote to have them done as part of a package including a top end website design, and the cost to do the graphics seems a bit steep!


(http://www.ambienteufh.co.uk/Pictures/ambifloat-key-diagram.gif)

(http://www.ambienteufh.co.uk/Pictures/ambiplate-key-diagram.gif)

(http://www.ambienteufh.co.uk/Pictures/ambiclip-key-diagram.gif)

(http://www.ambienteufh.co.uk/Pictures/ambitak-key-diagram.gif)

Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 01 March 2013, 12:21
Drawings would literally take 5 mins by any half decent draughtsman.

Cost not a clue, but then I'm an engineer not an GD.
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: justalex81 on 01 March 2013, 12:27
These diagrams are going on my website. Don't think a draughtsman would be much help here  :grin:
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 01 March 2013, 12:38
CAD draughtsman - also known as a CAD monkey, someone who makes pretty pictures (a-la yours above)
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: justalex81 on 01 March 2013, 12:44
Ah i get it now  :embarrassed:

Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: Shady Pioneer on 01 March 2013, 13:02
When you say slicker, you don't mean outlined drawings at all?

If not then it does take some time but depends on how much they are charging per hour. I usually charge £20 ph myself. 10% discount for Golf GTI members. :grin:
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: hobbiniho on 01 March 2013, 17:55
i dont really understand what you mean by "slicker" but to me those drawings/pictures look alright, it is glaringly obvious to me what every part is meant to be but then i am a joiner to trade so see this kind of thing the whole time.
what type of people are you expecting to view the website?
are they likely to understand this picture better or a technical drawing?
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: DubFan on 03 March 2013, 09:27
Those drawings would have to be designed to go with the theme of the website, it would probably be a few hours work just for those and then a top end website would cost a lot again.
There are cheaper companies that just have a few website templates that they use and then just customise them with your logos and information. But the better companies are ones that design from scratch.

If you're paying a proper professional design company, not just a bedroom designer, the prices will be high, especially if they have an office/studio to pay for and employees.

Have you shopped around for quotes?
Here's a designer friend of mine based in Yorkshire, try contacting him for a quote.
http://www.uc48.net/ (http://www.uc48.net/)
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: JC on 03 March 2013, 09:36
I usually charge £20 ph myself. 10% discount for Golf GTI members. :grin:

I knew times where hard mate, but pimping your arse out online  :sick:
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: bobbarley on 03 March 2013, 10:33
How much do you charge Chelsea?  :shocked:
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: [han] on 03 March 2013, 15:41
I usually charge £20 ph myself. 10% discount for Golf GTI members. :grin:

£20ph?! what kind of graphic designer are you?!? are you fully unqualified?!
 

i think to have them redrawn you may need to find a graphic designer with the skillset you require.

What would you achieve by redrawing these? How are the below images not suitable?
(you'll need this info to potentially brief your designer, and im curious)

I'm doubtful you can  just trace them, as i presume the images are copyright/owned by the manufacturers. i think this would take you longer than expected and cost more than you expect (potentially why you think the web designers quite is high - although there's a whole other debate about "web designers" being able to do "graphic design".


Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: DubFan on 03 March 2013, 20:50
... although there's a whole other debate about "web designers" being able to do "graphic design".....

Web design is a different beast to graphic design. Some people can do both, but ideally you have a team of people, a graphic designer to design the look of a website, the coder to make it work and a Q&A tester/user experience expert.
Graphic designers do visual design products like posters, flyers, books, logos and much more.

How big is your company and what's your marketing budget?

As for tracing the images, there is a copyright issue there, but so long as the company that supplied the images has released them for use under licence, they it should be ok. But as said, it would take a lot of time to re-create all of those with all the technical detail and it might not really be worth it.
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 03 March 2013, 21:36
A lot of time for someone to fanny about with them. To reproduce those images shouldn't take long at all. It's 4 basic extrusions (rectangles) and a circular extrusion. Apply appearances to each of them, and bobs your uncle done.

Stick it in a drw template, auto balloon, BOM table, 3D view. Simples.

Then again, you can either pay someone who will get it factually correct, or someone arty farty who will spend hours making it look "pretty". MY advice is find someone with a copy of solidworks of similar and get them to knock up a few rendered images. Cheap, functional, done.
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: DubFan on 03 March 2013, 22:32
Then again, you can either pay someone who will get it factually correct, or someone arty farty who will spend hours making it look "pretty". MY advice is find someone with a copy of solidworks of similar and get them to knock up a few rendered images. Cheap, functional, done.

Sounds like he didn't want the functional images from the supplier and wanted something arty. In which case you'll have to pay for an arty person to do it.
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: Sam on 04 March 2013, 08:16
I am willing to re-draw and professionally render in keyshot 3 if you want buddy. Slip some beer money my way if you feel its a job well done. PM me
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: justalex81 on 04 March 2013, 16:17
i'm not looking for arty. just to give the potential customer a better idea of how it all works. I'm looking for cross section examples of the UFH within a whole room and not just a close up. I have permission to use the suppliers images if i wanted to.

Sam a pm is on it's way!
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: Sam on 04 March 2013, 16:45
Cool, just properly highlight what you want... I work all week with vague requests from clients, I don't need it in the evenings too  :laugh:
Title: Re: Graphic Designers. need your input!
Post by: Ben Lessani on 06 March 2013, 13:50
If we had been approached to commission vector graphics similar to those, you'd likely be looking at ~2-3 hours labour per image @ £30 per hour.

I can understand wanting to brand your own site and images, but (I'm biased and love vector art) those look really slick already - and as long as you are allowed to re-use the imagery, why not?