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General => General discussion => Topic started by: jnufcuk on 24 August 2012, 18:15
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So got a new job will be doing more miles roughly 800-1000 a month
Looking to spend between £5-8k. VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda (dont really fancy a bmw or any other cars)
Never really driven a diesel but heard they can be very good.
What sort of mileage would you have to do before u considered a diesel ? :smiley:
Thanks guys
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1, DIESEL will be a must - unless you got shares in Esso. I am hitting 1k a month minimum and would be fcuked if still running a petrol :sick:
2, need a LOT more info before being able to commit
a, budget
b, other family requirements / practicalities
c, lot term plans for it
thats just the start :grin:
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Do I really want to cross over to the dark side :lipsrsealed:
Budget is 5-9k
Thinking mk5, then just lower, remap. Nothing major. Just a nice sensible daily :smiley:
And no family commitments atm too young for any of that :grin:
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yep, cross over
1, my diesel is my FAST car :grin:
2, means your SLOW AND LOW project will be even more enjoyable to drive :smug:
3, DONT LOWER IT - i left my daily standard - its a daily - get a toy to tinker with :lipsrsealed:
4, 6k on a decent daily, left over for ya toy :evil:
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Expensive enough to insure 1 car being my aged let alone 2 :lipsrsealed:
Don't have patience for a project car lol
Got a vr6 quite fancy supercharging it :lipsrsealed:
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in that case
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201233482295442/sort/locasc/usedcars/price-from/5000/price-to/7000/fuel-type/diesel/maximum-mileage/up_to_40000_miles/model/golf/make/volkswagen/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/keywords/gt/postcode/ox106ns/page/1/radius/1500?logcode=p
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Was looking at one of the, earlier funnily enough. 5 door can't do 5 door again.
Practical yes, looks no :sick:
Oh and manual. Need an auto getting to lazy
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The petrol v diesel debate comes in when you are buying a new car. iirc its about 20K miles a year to make diesel the better option.
It takes into account higher list price, diesel being more expensive, and repair costs if things go wrong engine related.
If it's a used car*, then diesel.
* provided it's recognised as a reliable engine.
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Thanks mate. Knew I had read something like that somewhere.
I think by the time I add on personal miles, shows etc then diesel will be more practical. As its not massive mileage I can get a fairly decent (speed wise) dirty diesel which I will be happy with.
I can't slate the diesels too much as I haven't driven one personally, my brothers both have diesels and seem happy. Ones a mk5 the other a jag x type.
A lot smoother and quieter than I was expecting which is good :grin:
Got my weekend sorted then ( car shopping :smiley:)
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For your budget don't dismiss a Honda Accord 2.2 EX tdi. I had one on a 55 plate, fantastic motorway cruiser averaging about 55 mpg, and was fully loaded with everything as standard. Heated leather, sunroof, 6 disc cd etc......
Look for the HFT sat nav ones.
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how much does a DSG affect the fuel economy :huh:
Diesel Autos are as bad on fuel as petrol manuals :lipsrsealed:
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If it's a daily don't be scared of looking at slightly more obscure models such as Boras/Jettas. They might not look as "cool" but will likely be cheaper to insure and are often cheaper to buy despite having more equipment as standard. They drive just like the equivalent Golf and nobody wants to nick them... :grin:
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how much does a DSG affect the fuel economy :huh:
The point of DSG is that it's not a conventional auto - the economy with DSG *should* be better than a manual.
I'd get a diesel, because even if you spank it you won't get spanked on the fuel bills. When we test drove a G6 GTI it did 14MPG. No matter how hard I spank our 4Mo Passat it won't return lower than about 28MPG. If you get even remotely frisky with the throttle you are punished hard in a petrol. Diesel you're not.
Add to that modern petrol engines rev like diesels and modern diesels rev much harder than diesels used to and you're in a world gone so mad that we won't spank the monkey, the monkey will spank us.
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Diesel - and then get Rhyso to map it :evil:
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Darrens GT would've been a good buy imo but it's sold now, i personally would be looking at something like that though.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,44867.0.html
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Diesel - and then get Rhyso to map it :evil:
This :evil: :grin: :grin:
Doing a 1000 miles a month, diesel becomes your only option. The only reason id buy a petrol now would be as a weekend toy and that isnt going to happen anytime soon :grin:
If you are looking within the VAG group then the 140 is the best all rounder out of the box. It depends how far you want to take things :lipsrsealed:
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just bought her an audi a3 tdi 140 not sure about it myself,but the insurance is half the cost of the s3 we had an defo better on fuel :grin:
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Witting a diesel without gettig it mapped :cool:
Well I'm used to between 150-180 bhp so anythig around that area I would be happy with. Especially with the torque :drool:
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Witting a diesel without gettig it mapped :cool:
Well I'm used to between 150-180 bhp so anythig around that area I would be happy with. Especially with the torque :drool:
might get this audi mapped if i keep it not sure yet :undecided:
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The GTI on a manual box is capable of 45mpg if tickling the throttle on a motorway...around the 60-65mph range. Don't forget about the Seat FR's...diesels are still quick and are less to insure and cheaper to buy.
If its the only car you are going to have I'd got with the GTi as remapped they are very capable, but even without they are a good solid fun car, and one I miss. With either check the air-con!!! Compressors are very prone....
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The GTI on a manual box is capable of 45mpg if tickling the throttle on a motorway...around the 60-65mph range.
Why do people say this, as if it justifies getting a petrol completely?
If you do that, having bought a GTI either you're skint, or dead inside.
Spank the diesel and still feel smug at the pumps.
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Ye was looking at the Ibiza and Leon frs. Also the audi a3 but only like the brand new shape and there too expensive 2nd hand.
Will go car hunting when I get home :evil:
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The GTI on a manual box is capable of 45mpg if tickling the throttle on a motorway...around the 60-65mph range.
Why do people say this, as if it justifies getting a petrol completely?
If you do that, having bought a GTI either you're skint, or dead inside.
Spank the diesel and still feel smug at the pumps.
Because until I sold the MK5 I had a GTI and still have access to the missus GTTDI and in no way are they comparable. The GTI drives better and just feels right in the rev range but then again I also love EP3 CTRs and higher rev range. Sit most diesels above 3500rpm and they feel like they are tailing right off...they aren't necessarily but they feel it. And in your own words opinionsRus :wink:
And I may have a Seat Leon TDI on its way as a daily so in now way do I dismiss the TDI. I just love petrol And the way they drive.
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So far both petrol and diesel have 7 votes :laugh:
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Id say diesel as well had a 140 A3 was really good on fuel and fun to drive had alot of poke but insurance cost was fairly high but thats with 0 ncd :cry:
but stuck with diesel and tbh it would take alot for me to change esp with the trips to wales can get about 680 miles to a full tank at the moment and the car isnt really broken in yet :lipsrsealed:
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the dpf issue still puts me off the newer diesels...know you can remove them but its still more expensive..have a fews friends / relations with diesels and they've been burned with injector problems and dpf issues.....diesel makes sense above a certain mileage but below it the savings arent there....same year can have a 2k difference in price between petrol and diesel....
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Quick update before I start looking too deeply into diesels.
If someone could work out roughly the cost it would be greatly appreciated.
Say I was to do 200 miles a week
Petrol say roughly averaging 30mpg
Diesel say roughly averaging 40-45mpg
Petrol 133.9
Diesel 140.9
What would the cost difference be :undecided:
Thanks
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Quick update before I start looking too deeply into diesels.
If someone could work out roughly the cost it would be greatly appreciated.
Say I was to do 200 miles a week
Petrol say roughly averaging 30mpg
Diesel say roughly averaging 40-45mpg
Petrol 133.9
Diesel 140.9
What would the cost difference be :undecided:
Thanks
easier to say that the diesel would cost £65-70 for 500 miles and the petrol same price for around 320-340 miles.
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About £40 for the petrol and £28 for the diesel.
Or using the mpg I get from my diesel 56mpg would cost £23
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Wow quite a big difference then. Over a month that's quite a big saving.
Better not work out what it would cost in the vr6 :cry: :cry: :cry:
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About £40 for the petrol and £28 for the diesel.
Or using the mpg I get from my diesel 56mpg would cost £23
what if you add maintenance costs :laugh:
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Didnt ask that.... :lipsrsealed:
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Next question then :grin:
I thought it was just the older diesels that required more maintained work
Guessing that isnt the case :sad:
But then insuring, taxing would be cheaper aswell.
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Or just buy my A4 2007 2.0 TDI with all the work done to it :lipsrsealed:
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Or just buy my A4 2007 2.0 TDI with all the work done to it :lipsrsealed:
Dsg? Price? :)
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Or just buy my A4 2007 2.0 TDI with all the work done to it :lipsrsealed:
Dsg? Price? :)
:grin: :grin: thought a 2.0tdi was no use as you only done 4mile a day
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Who me?
Got a new job so be doing 40-50 miles a day now :smiley:
Seen a few mk5 gt tdi 140 but apparently there not very good on fuel so that's out the question. Looks like It may have to be a 105 1.9 tdi with a remap :smiley:
Or petrol like a 1.6 tfsi or something.
:undecided:
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Who me?
Got a new job so be doing 40-50 miles a day now :smiley:
Seen a few mk5 gt tdi 140 but apparently there not very good on fuel so that's out the question. Looks like It may have to be a 105 1.9 tdi with a remap :smiley:
Or petrol like a 1.6 tfsi or something.
:undecided:
the a3tdi 140 i have is great on fuel,but anything would be better than my s3 :grin: but im bored already with it so it will be sold or traded soon :evil:
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Anything is better than the auto vr6 :lipsrsealed:
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Anything is better than the auto vr6 :lipsrsealed:
my manual 4mo would not have been :evil: as we always drove it hard just to hear the noise :grin:
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Anything is better than the auto vr6 :lipsrsealed:
my manual 4mo would not have been :evil: as we always drove it hard just to hear the noise :grin:
That's the problem I'm having now lol. Least I know I won't be doing that with a diesel engine :grin: :lipsrsealed: :rolleyes:
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I get 56mpg on my commute pretty much every day in my remapped PD150, but itd down to how you drive it. Yesterday morning I only got 48mpg due to a heavy foot on the motorway :lipsrsealed: :grin: Long term average was 52.6mpg over 4900 miles :cool: With a lot of varied driving
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Anything is better than the auto vr6 :lipsrsealed:
my manual 4mo would not have been :evil: as we always drove it hard just to hear the noise :grin:
That's the problem I'm having now lol. Least I know I won't be doing that with a diesel engine :grin: :lipsrsealed: :rolleyes:
thats why my dirty derv will be going :smiley:
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The 140's are very good on fuel :huh:
They will easily do 45mpg all day long and more with a remap.
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The 140's are very good on fuel :huh:
They will easily do 45mpg all day long and more with a remap.
what will they map to :smiley:
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The 140's are very good on fuel :huh:
They will easily do 45mpg all day long and more with a remap.
So that's the 2.0 tdi engine? Correct?
Cos I've seen a couple and like the look of them :)
And a cheeky remap would be in order :wink:
Would the remap help much with mpg? Or just power lol :evil:
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The 140's are very good on fuel :huh:
They will easily do 45mpg all day long and more with a remap.
So that's the 2.0 tdi engine? Correct?
Cos I've seen a couple and like the look of them :)
And a cheeky remap would be in order :wink:
Would the remap help much with mpg? Or just power lol :evil:
Yeah 2.0 TDI
Remap takes them to 175bhp+
MPG improves as long as you dont hammer it and you dont have boost leaks etc etc
Everyone I've done has reported at least an extra 5mpg since the remap :smiley:
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Yeah 2.0 TDI
Remap takes them to 175bhp+
MPG improves as long as you dont hammer it and you dont have boost leaks etc etc
Everyone I've done has reported at least an extra 5mpg since the remap :smiley:
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that must make them shift a bit :smiley:
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The 140's are very good on fuel :huh:
They will easily do 45mpg all day long and more with a remap.
So that's the 2.0 tdi engine? Correct?
Cos I've seen a couple and like the look of them :)
And a cheeky remap would be in order :wink:
Would the remap help much with mpg? Or just power lol :evil:
Yeah 2.0 TDI
Remap takes them to 175bhp+
MPG improves as long as you dont hammer it and you dont have boost leaks etc etc
Everyone I've done has reported at least an extra 5mpg since the remap :smiley:
You've got me looking at the a3s now :lipsrsealed: more money but I think they look slightly better :cool:
Decisions decisions :undecided:
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The 140's are very good on fuel :huh:
They will easily do 45mpg all day long and more with a remap.
So that's the 2.0 tdi engine? Correct?
Cos I've seen a couple and like the look of them :)
And a cheeky remap would be in order :wink:
Would the remap help much with mpg? Or just power lol :evil:
Yeah 2.0 TDI
Remap takes them to 175bhp+
MPG improves as long as you dont hammer it and you dont have boost leaks etc etc
Everyone I've done has reported at least an extra 5mpg since the remap :smiley:
You've got me looking at the a3s now :lipsrsealed: more money but I think they look slightly better :cool:
Decisions decisions :undecided:
al sell you mine :grin:
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Or just buy my A4 2007 2.0 TDI with all the work done to it :lipsrsealed:
Dsg? Price? :)
PM'ed :wink:
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missus has a mk4 90hp tdi and its a really nice drive, could have more grunt but it goes well enough, i serviced it the other week and now she averages 55mpg, i bought a golf g60 the other week and ive not seen 25 mpg. if you are doing high miles its deffo a no brainer. also the tdi has 150k on it and still runs mint. :smiley:
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that must make them shift a bit :smiley:
Night and day difference :smiley: did the CR version in a MK6 yesterday and the guy spun the wheels through thr first two gears : :laugh:
You've got me looking at the a3s now :lipsrsealed: more money but I think they look slightly better :cool:
Decisions decisions :undecided:
Why do you think I bought the Audi :wink:
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that must make them shift a bit :smiley:
Night and day difference :smiley: did the CR version in a MK6 yesterday and the guy spun the wheels through thr first two gears : :laugh:
You've got me looking at the a3s now :lipsrsealed: more money but I think they look slightly better :cool:
Decisions decisions :undecided:
Why do you think I bought the Audi :wink:
:undecided: :undecided: got me thinking now do i map it an see if it makes me want to keep it or just sell it an get a mk5 gti :undecided:
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:undecided: :undecided: got me thinking now do i map it an see if it makes me want to keep it or just sell it an get a mk5 gti :undecided:
Tough call as a mapped MK5 GTI is a very good car :cool:
If i wasnt doing the mileage Id have an Edition 30......
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:undecided: :undecided: got me thinking now do i map it an see if it makes me want to keep it or just sell it an get a mk5 gti :undecided:
Tough call as a mapped MK5 GTI is a very good car :cool:
If i wasnt doing the mileage Id have an Edition 30......
think the audi is going :grin: :grin: as we dont do many miles
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you could look elsewhere, other than VAG on the tdi front?
I owned an x-type sport se. 2.2d. custom remap to 220bhp and 440nm of torque. I used to average 43-45mpg on the motorways and used to clock over 25k miles a year. If driven sensibly 50mpg+ is more than possible.
it was a great car. mondeo engine so totally bulletproof. the only thing i ever had wrong with it, was the dreaded 'dpf' and once that f**k*r was taken out, i had no more unexpected bills. average service used to cost less than £200. i had 35k out of set of goodyear eagle f1's and had 55k out of a set of brake pads too!
the car was quick too! 0-60mph in under 7 seconds, easily capable of cruising 120-130mph.....if you're a nutter that is!
couple of 'similar' examples here....don't know what your budget is, but this is a lot of car for your money. you could easily sink the same amount of dough into a laguna, 407 or some other heap of sh!t!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201232481459212/sort/default/usedcars/price-from/3000/body-type/estate/fuel-type/diesel/price-to/7000/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/x-type/make/jaguar/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1501/page/1/postcode/ba115bs?logcode=p
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201205447380729/sort/default/usedcars/price-from/3000/body-type/estate/fuel-type/diesel/price-to/7000/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/x-type/make/jaguar/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1501/page/1/postcode/ba115bs?logcode=p
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Gotta be a hatch back. I'm not an oldan yet :laugh:
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well slept on it an the dirty derv is going :grin: time for a mk5gti