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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Devilz on 13 July 2012, 15:59
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in your face ferdinand :grin: :grin:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18827915
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Still a c**t though, any court would find him guilty of that :grin:
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I think it's pathetic anyway, it's a f**king game, what the hell is some 'name calling' from a 'game' doing in the f**king news and in our courts? Grow some god damn balls. Tw4t.
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I think it's pathetic anyway, it's a f**king game, what the hell is some 'name calling' from a 'game' doing in the f**king news and in our courts? Grow some god damn balls. Tw4t.
Yes.. name calling on the internet is much better
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I think it's pathetic anyway, it's a f**king game, what the hell is some 'name calling' from a 'game' doing in the f**king news and in our courts? Grow some god damn balls. Tw4t.
if the name calling involved racist abuse then of course it should end up in court, not acceptable in any situation.
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I think it's pathetic anyway, it's a f**king game, what the hell is some 'name calling' from a 'game' doing in the f**king news and in our courts? Grow some god damn balls. Tw4t.
if the name calling involved racist abuse then of course it should end up in court, not acceptable in any situation.
If taking the piss out of someone for being fat is ok, or being ginger is ok, then why should only 'racism' end up in court? It's all look based name calling. I don't do bandwagons, I think outside of the box at what it is.
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He's a dirty, cheating , player and not a friend you can trust with your mrs, but he's not a racist.
That God for that.
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If taking the piss out of someone for being fat is ok, or being ginger is ok, then why should only 'racism' end up in court? It's all look based name calling. I don't do bandwagons, I think outside of the box at what it is.
There's a big difference between racism & calling someone fat or ginger no matter what box you work out of :shocked:
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If taking the piss out of someone for being fat is ok, or being ginger is ok, then why should only 'racism' end up in court? It's all look based name calling. I don't do bandwagons, I think outside of the box at what it is.
There's a big difference between racism & calling someone fat or ginger no matter what box you work out of :shocked:
Is there?. They're all looks you're born with (and some fatties are genetically fat - or simply can't shift it).
So what's the big difference? One looks different to the other, but all are different to everyone else?
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Difference is, Racism is illegal.
Calling someone "fatty" of "Ginga" is not.
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I feared the worst when the magistrate came in with his QPR shirt on this afternoon.... :grin:
Based on the evidence of what I've read I think definetly the correct decision and I'm glad for JT.
I'm more offended by the cost of the case to the tax payer than anything.
p.s. can we now get rid of Stevie-me Gerrard as England Captain. It was blatantly clear from the euros that JT was leading the team on the pitch ( not that that did us much good in the end ).
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Is there?. They're all looks you're born with (and some fatties are genetically fat - or simply can't shift it).
So what's the big difference? One looks different to the other, but all are different to everyone else?
With out going into a huge debate no abuse is acceptable but racial abuse/prejudice has darker connotations & isn't acceptable in any form plus is illegal as said above.
Ginger people on the hand are fair game :grin:
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Difference is, Racism is illegal.
Calling someone "fatty" of "Ginga" is not.
Oh, so making fun out of those is alright then?
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Well...I suppose it depends on how fat and/or ginger they are.
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Well...I suppose it depends on how fat and/or ginger they are.
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So would it not depend on how black or dark someone was?
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p.s. can we now get rid of Stevie-me Gerrard as England Captain. It was blatantly clear from the euros that JT was leading the team on the pitch ( not that that did us much good in the end ).
what about Capello, I guess he needs an apology as well and should be re-instated as coach
He's a dirty, cheating , player and not a friend you can trust with your mrs, but he's not a racist.
you should not blame only JT. Vanessa should equally be abused as she cheated as well
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Well...I suppose it depends on how fat and/or ginger they are.
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So would it not depend on how black or dark someone was?
A fat black Ginger?
Never seen one of those?
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Well...I suppose it depends on how fat and/or ginger they are.
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So would it not depend on how black or dark someone was?
A fat black Ginger?
Never seen one of those?
I've seen those black chicks who bleach their hair and it comes out ginger = fail.
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I agree with some of the above comments. But lets not go there eh :rolleyes: :lipsrsealed:
I feel this shouldn't have gone to court. Was it not some fan in the stadium who 'heard' JT make racist comments. f**king outrageous, he could have made any old bull sh!t.
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I think this is actually an eye opening of how flawed our judiciary system is to a degree. At court we get so many cases like these that people pursue due to their pride, or just because they believe in it.
For instance, a black woman in her car is sitting there. White female in a car behind starts beeping, black woman gets out and gets racially abused as she just wanted to know why shes's beeping as she could of drove round her, white woman calls police, police arrest the black woman. After doing the usual nonsense at the police station the police can clearly tell the black woman did nothing wrong as the white woman had her father in the car who said yes my daughter was racially abusive. Yet the police still asked the white lady if she wanted to press charges for magical fairies and she did. All went to court wasted many hours doing all the red tape for the lady to get a slap on the wrist.
Would you say thats fair and how much that little scenario wasted of civil servant time, from police, to police staff, to court staff to the prosecution to the magistrates? Plus don't forget fines are based on what you typically can afford to which the magistrate or judge will take into account into their decision. So how much money do you think gets put back in the kitty, I'm sure its at a huge loss and as we know apart from that whats the alternative? Prison, oh wait that costs us even more :rolleyes:
Yes racism is illegal, but I'm sure if you wanted to you could claim damages for people calling you fat if they wanted to go that far, so be careful Ant :grin:
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I feared the worst when the magistrate came in with his QPR shirt on this afternoon.... :grin:
Based on the evidence of what I've read I think definetly the correct decision and I'm glad for JT.
I'm more offended by the cost of the case to the tax payer than anything.
p.s. can we now get rid of Stevie-me Gerrard as England Captain. It was blatantly clear from the euros that JT was leading the team on the pitch ( not that that did us much good in the end ).
This^.
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I some what agree that calling some one a spotty fat ginger is just as bad as calling dropping the N bomb. Yet one is illegal...For what reason?
I feel this case has been a total waste of time/money and nothing was achieved by it. Even if JT was found guilty, what would have been achieved? A £2.5k fine, which he would have paid on the spot with the spare change in his pocket. Pointless.
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I some what agree that calling some one a spotty fat ginger is just as bad as calling dropping the N bomb. Yet one is illegal...For what reason?
I feel this case has been a total waste of time/money and nothing was achieved by it. Even if JT was found guilty, what would have been achieved? A £2.5k fine, which he would have paid on the spot with the spare change in his pocket. Pointless.
Hopefully sent to prison and then they could see how many prison officer's wives he could sleep with. Followed by a TV series that they could write, called prisoner's wives.... Oh wait didn't ITV do that? :grin: :grin: :grin:
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News clip just saying JT can go back to his normal life, what shaggin his m8's wives & being typically abusive footballer lol
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if it was a few ordinary people on the street no one would have ever heard about it all a pile of pants if you ask me
i do not agree with racism by the way
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Yes racism is illegal, but I'm sure if you wanted to you could claim damages for people calling you fat if they wanted to go that far, so be careful Ant :grin:
What if a fat cnut calls another fat cnut, a fat cnut ? :undecided:
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dont need to read all 3 pages to guess where this thread is heading.
anyone wanna count down for me :rolleyes:
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It's not got that bad, has it? :huh:
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dont need to read all 3 pages to guess where this thread is heading.
anyone wanna count down for me :rolleyes:
I feel this is still quite a tame thread...
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dont need to read all 3 pages to guess where this thread is heading.
anyone wanna count down for me :rolleyes:
I feel this is still quite a tame thread...
correct, so far but alas it will go the way of EVERY other one where the R word is mentioned :lipsrsealed:
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I think it's pathetic anyway, it's a f**king game, what the hell is some 'name calling' from a 'game' doing in the f**king news and in our courts? Grow some god damn balls. Tw4t.
if the name calling involved racist abuse then of course it should end up in court, not acceptable in any situation.
At what cost to the tax payer :rolleyes:
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I think it's pathetic anyway, it's a f**king game, what the hell is some 'name calling' from a 'game' doing in the f**king news and in our courts? Grow some god damn balls. Tw4t.
if the name calling involved racist abuse then of course it should end up in court, not acceptable in any situation.
At what cost to the tax payer :rolleyes:
Sticks and stone may break 'someones' bones but words will never hurt 'them'. This needs to be applied more through out life.
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Racism should be renamed moronism.....so instead of having one person racially abuse another, we have one good person, and one moron. End of story!! You can't be offended by a moron, because he's a moron and not worth it. This whole anti racism card just fuels racism in general in my opinion. Regardless of wether Terry did or didn't, he's a moron. And not worth taking seriously.
Don't be a moron kids!!
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Is a black man calling another black man Nigger racist?
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I think it's pathetic anyway, it's a f**king game, what the hell is some 'name calling' from a 'game' doing in the f**king news and in our courts? Grow some god damn balls. Tw4t.
if the name calling involved racist abuse then of course it should end up in court, not acceptable in any situation.
At what cost to the tax payer :rolleyes:
Sticks and stone may break 'someones' bones but words will never hurt 'them'. This needs to be applied more through out life.
But then you have the PC brigade on your back. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Cant wait for the songs next season :grin:
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I think it's pathetic anyway, it's a f**king game, what the hell is some 'name calling' from a 'game' doing in the f**king news and in our courts? Grow some god damn balls. Tw4t.
if the name calling involved racist abuse then of course it should end up in court, not acceptable in any situation.
At what cost to the tax payer :rolleyes:
Sticks and stone may break 'someones' bones but words will never hurt 'them'. This needs to be applied more through out life.
But then you have the PC brigade on your back. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
f**king do one, PCness is just ridonkulous. I am quite often UN PC to my PC friends just to wind them up...Naturally.
Is a black man calling another black man Nigger racist?
If X black man calls Y black man nigger Y man can take it two ways, banter, or racial abuse. The same if a white man calls a black man nigger, racial abuse or banter. Racism is in the eye of the receiver, not the giver.
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Racism is in the eye of the receiver, not the giver.
Does that work for gays?
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Racism is in the eye of the receiver, not the giver.
Does that work for gays?
Start a new thread on that one :lipsrsealed:
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Racism is in the eye of the receiver, not the giver.
Although being a racist is very much in the eyes of the giver.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
interesting read.
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If you need to look up racism on wikipedia then there is something wrong. :grin:
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I Was accused of being racist once. I called a black co worker a lazy cnut, which he certainly was, always on one of his 3 phones, sitting with his feet on his desk, leering at pretty much any woman that went by.
He complained and made it a race thing, that i was talking down to him, and racially stereotyping. I wasnt, he was just a lazy cnut, and thats what i said to the manger in the special gay arse interview.
He was sacked 2 weeks later for refunding imaginary deposits onto his mates credit cards ......not stereotyping :tongue:
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Racism is in the eye of the receiver, not the giver.
Although being a racist is very much in the eyes of the giver.
Agreed. But not every person who is racist goes around shouting their mouth off at blacks/other races, the daily mail does that for them :laugh:.
I feel being racist should only be 'looked at' if it is, for example, like portrayed in films (American history X) & OR if being heavily 'dished' like some football hooligan giving his local derby rival abuse on a Saturday. I know people who have been beaten up/abused for being fat/ginger.
Where do you draw the line? :undecided:
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Racism is in the eye of the receiver, not the giver.
Although being a racist is very much in the eyes of the giver.
Agreed. But not every person who is racist goes around shouting their mouth off at blacks/other races, the daily mail does that for them :laugh:.
I feel being racist should only be 'looked at' if it is, for example, like portrayed in films (American history X) & OR if being heavily 'dished' like some football hooligan giving his local derby rival abuse on a Saturday. I know people who have been beaten up/abused for being fat/ginger.
Where do you draw the line? :undecided:
Doesn't matter if they shout racist obcenities or not, there still in that mindset. Being a racist is just another form of tainted human behavior which stems from many other forms of division among the human race. It does not need to be spoken to exist, although its only when it is spoken its heard about. I don't really understand why people are like that, why they would treat someone else like that in that way.
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Racism is in the eye of the receiver, not the giver.
Although being a racist is very much in the eyes of the giver.
Agreed. But not every person who is racist goes around shouting their mouth off at blacks/other races, the daily mail does that for them :laugh:.
I feel being racist should only be 'looked at' if it is, for example, like portrayed in films (American history X) & OR if being heavily 'dished' like some football hooligan giving his local derby rival abuse on a Saturday. I know people who have been beaten up/abused for being fat/ginger.
Where do you draw the line? :undecided:
Doesn't matter if they shout racist obcenities or not, there still in that mindset. Being a racist is just another form of tainted human behavior which stems from many other forms of division among the human race. It does not need to be spoken to exist, although its only when it is spoken its heard about. I don't really understand why people are like that, why they would treat someone else like that in that way.
I agree to some extent what you say. Are you saying for example, my grand father, and I imagine quite a few other elderly people, is quite racists. He actually asked my brother how many 'niggers' he had killed when he got back from Afghan :lipsrsealed: :shocked: He doesn't shout about it, inwardly racists I suppose. Does that mean he should be punished?
Lets take you being a horrible sweaty sock :kiss: and me a nasty fickle English man, if I called you skirt wearing fat ginger surely that is the same as calling a black person a thieving black thingy? Both based on some what of a stereo type?
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It is now a industry that generates money for greedy lawers. Most of the ignorant people can be sorted out by companies.
Over to the FA now to 'start' the investigation. Funny that he was selected for the 2012 tornament then before trial........................
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyGOJ1_kcI8
So much WIN for the Black guy...and then...
Now that's racism.
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Racism is in the eye of the receiver, not the giver.
Although being a racist is very much in the eyes of the giver.
Agreed. But not every person who is racist goes around shouting their mouth off at blacks/other races, the daily mail does that for them :laugh:.
I feel being racist should only be 'looked at' if it is, for example, like portrayed in films (American history X) & OR if being heavily 'dished' like some football hooligan giving his local derby rival abuse on a Saturday. I know people who have been beaten up/abused for being fat/ginger.
Where do you draw the line? :undecided:
Doesn't matter if they shout racist obcenities or not, there still in that mindset. Being a racist is just another form of tainted human behavior which stems from many other forms of division among the human race. It does not need to be spoken to exist, although its only when it is spoken its heard about. I don't really understand why people are like that, why they would treat someone else like that in that way.
I agree to some extent what you say. Are you saying for example, my grand father, and I imagine quite a few other elderly people, is quite racists. He actually asked my brother how many 'niggers' he had killed when he got back from Afghan :lipsrsealed: :shocked: He doesn't shout about it, inwardly racists I suppose. Does that mean he should be punished?
Lets take you being a horrible sweaty sock :kiss: and me a nasty fickle English man, if I called you skirt wearing fat ginger surely that is the same as calling a black person a thieving black thingy? Both based on some what of a stereo type?
If their a racist their a racist. Unless its in a humorous sense, then it can be either or i guess. Stereotyping is the problem, an intolorance based on colour but your right its the same as any sort of discrimination. I do see alot with the older generation too, but I guess they grew up in a very different world than to what we do now. As they say, ''Things were different back then''.
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So perhaps racism should be renamed sterotypingism? And in wrongly sterotyping someone should lead to fines/criminal records/jail? I feel it all boils down to education. Which, in my opinion (7 years ago) was pretty decent, and I wasn't taught to be racist/prejudiced in any way. Yet people still 'bullied' fat/ginger/people with glasses/braces, in which case if they were caught being a bully they would get menial punishment compared to if they called an Asian zipper head or an Indian a paki...What do you think the Gvt/legal system would say to someone if they reported being called a fat ginger faced specky twit?
If their a racist their a racist. Unless its in a humorous sense, then it can be either or i guess. Stereotyping is the problem, an intolorance based on colour but your right its the same as any sort of discrimination. I do see alot with the older generation too, but I guess they grew up in a very different world than to what we do now. As they say, ''Things were different back then''.
So what X Chinese man finds racists wouldn't be to Y Chinese man? What happened to precedent?
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The way I see it is all types of intolorance and discrimination is bad, wether it be race, religion, appearance, disabilities and so on. Its all just mindless hatred with no real proper justification. But there is certainly an order of severity in terms of punishment. But what good is punishing someone for it, it may teach them not to say or do it, but does it stop them thinking it? Is thinking it ok? Education starts from birth, and I would think it comes from the people your are around rather than the education system itself. Its such a ridiculously overly complecated subject, gives me a headache thinking about it. :sick:
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JT is a cnut! racist or not...
As for the comment about him being the england captain again :laugh: :laugh:
Stevie G was/is light years ahead of terry as a footballer and a person
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I Was accused of being racist once. I called a black co worker a lazy cnut, which he certainly was, always on one of his 3 phones, sitting with his feet on his desk, leering at pretty much any woman that went by.
He complained and made it a race thing, that i was talking down to him, and racially stereotyping. I wasnt, he was just a lazy cnut, and thats what i said to the manger in the special gay arse interview.
He was sacked 2 weeks later for refunding imaginary deposits onto his mates credit cards ......not stereotyping :tongue:
Well you are because you're insinuating he fits the stereotype.
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JT is a cnut! racist or not...
As for the comment about him being the england captain again :laugh: :laugh:
Stevie G was/is light years ahead of terry as a footballer and a person
Stevie G was useless in the euros apart from the one game against Sweden. Go back have a look at the footage and your see it was jt that was captaining the team.
Look at the italy game where jt gave the team talk at extra time and Stevie me Gerrald was lying on the pitch having a massage.
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Does nobody else these the massive implications of Terry walking free...?! "I was merely repeating the comment your honour!" :rolleyes:
This has got stated case written all over it, and many many racists will use this in future!! :sick: :sick:
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Stevie G was useless in the euros apart from the one game against Sweden. Go back have a look at the footage and your see it was jt that was captaining the team.
Look at the italy game where jt gave the team talk at extra time and Stevie me Gerrald was lying on the pitch having a massage.
yes of course he was...
http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/news/newsid=1838279.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18657918
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/steven-gerrard-named-in-squad-of-euro-2012-7904427.html
He might have been captaining the team but he was also playing sh1te!! :laugh: :laugh:
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As a person I can only go by what I see and read.
He appears to be from a poor criminal background with all the usual baggage that goes with it, like a lot of footballers.
As a footballer he is one of the best defenders this country has ever produced.
Most recent English footballers have risen from the estates and slums, what do you expect them to behave like?
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I think this whole case is ridiculous. Not only has it taken prime importance in various news broadcasts over far more important issues, but has also been a big waste of money and court time.
Consider this, please:
If, for example, someone bumps into you or your missus in the street, nearly knocks you over, and then doesn't apologise but glowers at you, you are likely to angrily tell that person what you think of them. If that person looks....
....Fat, you will probably call them a fat slob.
....A chav, you will probably call them scum.
....Short, you will probably call them a short arsed twit.
....Thick, you will probably call them a stupid idiot.
....Old, you will probably call them a silly old git.
....Gay, you will probably call them a fecking poofta.
....Jewish, you will probably call them a yid.
....Black, you will probably call them a black so-and-so.
All you are doing is showing your anger by trying to insult them. You will automatically use words which reflect the person you are confronted with. It is better to let off steam by doing this than to swing a punch at them.
Using such terms doesn't mean you are a racist or a Nazi etc.
Regardless of whether you like John Terry or not he's clearly not a racist (someone who, in line with their beliefs, continually seeks to abuse a particular social group etc). A football pitch is an arena where there is much physical contact and often much perceived to be at stake in winning the game. Feelings run high.
There is a big difference between letting off steam by insulting someone and being racist. Are we not allowed to call each other names now?
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....Fat, you will probably call them a fat slob.
....A chav, you will probably call them scum.
....Short, you will probably call them a short arsed twit.
....Thick, you will probably call them a stupid idiot.
....Old, you will probably call them a silly old git.
....Gay, you will probably call them a fecking poofta.
....Jewish, you will probably call them a yid.
....Black, you will probably call them a black so-and-so.
It takes quite a level of stupidity to turn round an insult them by their appearance, race, sexual orientation etc. It makes you no better than them, in fact worse. If a black person was to bump into you in the street and not apologise and you turned round and called them a black so and so then you would almost certainly be a racist in my book. The fact you would turn around and instantly see they were black, and insult them because of it is racist. There are no excuses which makes it ok.
Regardless of whether you like John Terry or not he's clearly not a racist (someone who, in line with their beliefs, continually seeks to abuse a particular social group etc).
So if its not done more than once your not a racist then? Is the first go free or something? To say he is clearly not a racist without actually knowing him is a bit far fetched. Being a racist is inside you and not something that just appears on the surface. You don't have to act upon being a racist to be a racist.
But yeah your right it has been a whole waste of time. More fuel for the fire. A court case does not decide, or care, if they are racist or not, Its just a means to deal with a complaint and distinguish who said what. Does nothing to solve the problem.
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My dad had the same thing a few years ago on one of his sites. Called a black fella into his office to sack him for not wearing safety boots, glasses or hat.
The bloke then went into a rant saying he was only sacking him due to his skin colour (in an Ali G style voice, he said it was hilarious). My dad just turned round and said "no I'm just sacking you as you won't do as your told and I can get in trouble for it you prick"
He left the office shortly after with his tail between his legs :grin:
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....Fat, you will probably call them a fat slob.
....A chav, you will probably call them scum.
....Short, you will probably call them a short arsed twit.
....Thick, you will probably call them a stupid idiot.
....Old, you will probably call them a silly old git.
....Gay, you will probably call them a fecking poofta.
....Jewish, you will probably call them a yid.
....Black, you will probably call them a black so-and-so.
It takes quite a level of stupidity to turn round an insult them by their appearance, race, sexual orientation etc. It makes you no better than them, in fact worse. If a black person was to bump into you in the street and not apologise and you turned round and called them a black so and so then you would almost certainly be a racist in my book. The fact you would turn around and instantly see they were black, and insult them because of it is racist. There are no excuses which makes it ok.
Regardless of whether you like John Terry or not he's clearly not a racist (someone who, in line with their beliefs, continually seeks to abuse a particular social group etc).
So if its not done more than once your not a racist then? Is the first go free or something? To say he is clearly not a racist without actually knowing him is a bit far fetched. Being a racist is inside you and not something that just appears on the surface. You don't have to act upon being a racist to be a racist.
But yeah your right it has been a whole waste of time. More fuel for the fire. A court case does not decide, or care, if they are racist or not, Its just a means to deal with a complaint and distinguish who said what. Does nothing to solve the problem.
....Then according to you, I must be a racist. Don't be such a silly boy!
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I never said you were but if you have done previously what you used in your examle then yes you would be obviously. If you called a black man a black so and so in the view to insult them how does that NOT make you a racist?? But if you haven't then you aren't. Don't start with the insults mate....you'll only get the thread locked up.
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and it starts ...............................
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and it starts ...............................
And not by me may I add.
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Am not racist I love ******* :lipsrsealed:
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Am not racist I love *******Gingers? :lipsrsealed:
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If you need to look up racism on wikipedia then there is something wrong. :grin:
it was for those who on this thread that needed some kind of definition. Just being helpful for those who needed to know.
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Am not racist I love ******* :lipsrsealed:
badgers?
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Am not racist I love ******* :lipsrsealed:
badgers?
rimming so I have been told :lipsrsealed:
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My dad had the same thing a few years ago on one of his sites. Called a black fella into his office to sack him for not wearing safety boots, glasses or hat.
The bloke then went into a rant saying he was only sacking him due to his skin colour (in an Ali G style voice, he said it was hilarious). My dad just turned round and said "no I'm just sacking you as you won't do as your told and I can get in trouble for it you prick"
He left the office shortly after with his tail between his legs :grin:
Black men have tails?
:shocked:
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All the stuff about racism in the media winds me up, yes it's wrong to say things to anyone in a derogatory way but why is calling someone "a black so and so" any worse than calling someone a fat b@stard or a white honkey etc etc etc?? It's rediculous.
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All the stuff about racism in the media winds me up, yes it's wrong to say things to anyone in a derogatory way but why is calling someone "a black so and so" any worse than calling someone a fat b@stard or a white honkey etc etc etc?? It's rediculous.
....That was exactly my point in my earlier post. At least someone understands how ridiculous all this fuss is. :afro:
At this rate, any expression of anger through words is going to be viewed the same as physical assault!
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All the stuff about racism in the media winds me up, yes it's wrong to say things to anyone in a derogatory way but why is calling someone "a black so and so" any worse than calling someone a fat b@stard or a white honkey etc etc etc?? It's rediculous.
The problem is when people difine racism as something different from any kind of hatred. They see racism as being so bad that it makes every other form of hatred ok. Its all the same. Yeah your not going to get someone arrested for calling an overweight person a fat fcuk but its every bit as serious as calling a black person a black b*stard. Just not in the eyes of the law or the media and most people unfortunately because alot of people are full of hatred. I think racism is at the top of everyones attention because its one of the biggest problems. You have rasicm then religious bigotry and the order goes on. But its all the same despite what anyone says. Its a cancer on society!!
But as Carl Sagan once said,
''The old appeals to racial, sexual, religious chauvanism and to rabid nationalist fervor, are beginning not to work. A new conciousness is developing which see the earth as a single organism and recognises that an organism at war with itself is doomed''.
Thats the mindset i'm in and what everyone needs to be in for this sort of scar on society to dissapear.
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My dad had the same thing a few years ago on one of his sites. Called a black fella into his office to sack him for not wearing safety boots, glasses or hat.
The bloke then went into a rant saying he was only sacking him due to his skin colour (in an Ali G style voice, he said it was hilarious). My dad just turned round and said "no I'm just sacking you as you won't do as your told and I can get in trouble for it you prick"
He left the office shortly after with his tail between his legs :grin:
Black men have tails?
:shocked:
Now thats a stereotype. Lots cant dance, or jump high either. :lipsrsealed:
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@ Gti_Jamo:
I respect what you are saying in quoting Carl Sagan and I also agree that too many people carry around too much anger too much of the time.
However, peace loving folks have human emotions and it's, in my opinion, healthy to express emotions such as anger if/when appropriate. I fear that your approach may be overly intellectual on this subject.
:smiley:
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@ Gti_Jamo:
I respect what you are saying in quoting Carl Sagan and I also agree that too many people carry around too much anger too much of the time.
However, peace loving folks have human emotions and it's, in my opinion, healthy to express emotions such as anger if/when appropriate. I fear that your approach may be overly intellectual on this subject.
:smiley:
I feel racism is more a simpletons expression of anger/hate/frustration.
I do not know who GTIJamo is quoting BUT I'm sure it can be summed up with a more concise sentence that would perhaps appeal to a simpletons level of grammar and English. Which is what I mean about how moronic verbal slang and insults are, albeit toward black/ginger/fat/Chinese people...
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@ Gti_Jamo:
I respect what you are saying in quoting Carl Sagan and I also agree that too many people carry around too much anger too much of the time.
However, peace loving folks have human emotions and it's, in my opinion, healthy to express emotions such as anger if/when appropriate. I fear that your approach may be overly intellectual on this subject.
:smiley:
I feel racism is more a simpletons expression of anger/hate/frustration.
I do not know who GTIJamo is quoting BUT I'm sure it can be summed up with a more concise sentence that would perhaps appeal to a simpletons level of grammar and English. Which is what I mean about how moronic verbal slang and insults are, albeit toward black/ginger/fat/Chinese people...
think i went out with her once :grin: :grin: :grin:
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This is a serious debate on the state of racism in this country and you come out with that.
Disgusting.
:grin: :laugh: :wink:
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@ Gti_Jamo:
I respect what you are saying in quoting Carl Sagan and I also agree that too many people carry around too much anger too much of the time.
However, peace loving folks have human emotions and it's, in my opinion, healthy to express emotions such as anger if/when appropriate. I fear that your approach may be overly intellectual on this subject.
:smiley:
I feel racism is more a simpletons expression of anger/hate/frustration.
I do not know who GTIJamo is quoting BUT I'm sure it can be summed up with a more concise sentence that would perhaps appeal to a simpletons level of grammar and English. Which is what I mean about how moronic verbal slang and insults are, albeit toward black/ginger/fat/Chinese people...
....So how do YOU react to someone who has, to use my earlier example, violently knocked into you in the street and shows no sign of apology but quite the contrary?
The example itself isn't important - Just use any example you like which would cause you to feel justifiably angry at that moment.
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I doubt I'd relate my chosen 'insult' to anything he is. Instead call him a something more generic, perhaps jobsworth thingy or toss rag. However, I appreciate your comment earlier and do some what agree with it. But this relates back to my previous comment about how racism is more of a simpletons 'insult'. I know people, far cleverererererererer than I am, who can defeat me with a few words that I just don't know the meaning of :embarassed:...If you get what I'm saying :lipsrsealed: :undecided:
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I don't know why but it's always been my natural reaction to 'insult' someone based on the appearance of the person I am confronted with. Whether we want to or not, I think that we all 'pigeon-hole' others within milliseconds based on their appearance. Animals do the same. It's all to do with instant recognition and hence survival.
I have got myself into a tight spot with my 'reactive insults' though: A gun was drawn on two separate occasions (not in the UK) and I've also had a knife on my throat.
If someone utters words I don't know the meaning of I am likely to think that they are just trying to be superior or clever for the sake of it and I'm then likely to think them a snob.
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I don't know why but it's always been my natural reaction to 'insult' someone based on the appearance of the person I am confronted with. Whether we want to or not, I think that we all 'pigeon-hole' others within milliseconds based on their appearance. Animals do the same. It's all to do with instant recognition and hence survival.
I have got myself into a tight spot with my 'reactive insults' though: A gun was drawn on two separate occasions (not in the UK) and I've also had a knife on my throat.
If someone utters words I don't know the meaning of I am likely to think that they are just trying to be superior or clever for the sake of it and I'm then likely to think them a snob.
1 that sounds terrible, and how the hell did you get out of it once a gun had been drawn!?!?!?! :shocked: :lipsrsealed:
2 that is what I mean, all it takes a small bit of intellect to overcomes some ones moronic insults. For example, look at comedians, some of the best, (IMO Eddie Izzard, Jimmy Carr) have degrees from Oxbridge/can speak multiple languages, this far greater than normal level of intellect makes then very funny and both can react quickly to sticky situations to deal with a heckler - Which you could relate to racially abused in the street.
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Yes, humour can be a great diffuser:
About 30 years ago I was in a speakeasy club with a friend, Nancy, who is a Californian jazz singer. She was taking a break with us on our table and a very large guy came over and started insisting she carry on singing but did so in a very nasty way - It wasn't a polite request. Both myself and another friend at the table (a drug dealer experienced in trouble) calmly asked him to be reasonable but he started getting very threatening. 'Security' was upstairs on the door and not within calling range. We were wondering what to do because we were sat at a table on bench seats under a low vault and getting up was neither easy nor fast - We were trapped and this guy knew it. Then Nancy smiled at him sweetly and told him "Hey darling, I'll sing a special song and just for you, but when I'm ready.... and anyway, honey, your flies are undone!". He looked down to see and was momentarily confused, everyone at the table burst out laughing and it completely changed his mood and he wandered off. His flies weren't undone. Nancy dedicated a song to him and he left us alone.
It's actually quite difficult to laugh at someone if you are feeling riled and it runs the risk of adding fuel to the fire. It always feels good to do though if you can pull it off.
I know this topic is about JT not being a racist but let's take a quick break with Eddie Izzard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw&feature=related
Re the gun incidents, long stories but in the New York incident the gun was pulled by someone on my behalf and the other was just a threat and I backed down, did what I was told and walked away. He was Eastern European, I had called him a poofta and that is a very heavy insult to manhood in some cultures. Lady Luck is a close friend of mine. Another close friend tells me I should write a book.