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General => General discussion => Topic started by: DunnDeal12 on 18 June 2012, 22:25
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After owning the mk4 golf for 8 months the time has come for a new car i have 13k spend but iam bit spoilt for choice.
so far my list consists of:
E46 BMW M3
E46 BMW 330ci or d
mazda 3 mps
mk5 golf r32
mk5 golf gti
Audi S3
dont want an Evo or Impreza been there done that not again.
can anyone recommend me one.
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MK5 ED30 or BMW 330D
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MK5 ED30 or BMW 330D
Agreed :cool:
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330D all day long.
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Feels like these threads have been popping up so often recently.
Depends what you want really. If you're put of by the interior quality of the Evo/ Impreza option then I do wonder how satisfied you'll be with an MPS.
If you're drawn to the 330d because os mpg then nothing else on that list will compete with it for economy. But if you don't need it for economy then take it off the list. It's no where near as exciting to drive or own as the others.
And if you're looking for an M3 then a 330i probably isn't going to keep you satisfied for long.
That leaves the M3, the R32, the GTI and the S3.
There's been a few threads opened up about these very cars and the consensus was as follows:
M3: Too expensive when things go wrong and you'll be less than popular on the road although you'll be having some good fun.
R32: Nicest sounding engine but too thirsty and not very £££ effective to get more performance out of.
GTI: Standard car is pretty decent but the Edition 30 offers greater potential and kit.
S3: Edition 30 running gear with added traction. And it's and Audi so some folk might not like you.
Invariably the response on here will end up being that you should get an Edition 30. That advice will be based on the fact that a) we're a GTI forum and b) the Edition 30 is (until Mk6 Edition 35's come down in price) the most 'GTI bang for buck'.
Hope that helps.
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the imprezas and evos put me of as ive owned a impreza RB5 and Evo 7 before. Servicing and MOT time used to very unwelcome time of the year.
i went for a test drive in the Mazda 3 MPS and was very suprised, handled well, pulled well, thought the interior was good
my Dad has a E92 M3 and recommended me the e46 m3
only chose a 330ci/330d as they were recommended by the mrs father
owned a R32 mk4 5 years ago, loved it but to many things went wrong
never tried a mk5 Gti/ed30
Booked in Friday to have a test drive of a S3
any more cars that people suggest? mpg aint a issue as ive got a works van for travelling.
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The Leon Cupra/ Cupra K1 is worth a look too. Same running gear as the Edition 30 and Audi S3 but a bit prettier (IMO) although not quite as premium inside.
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very nice looking car the cupra k1 and very under rated
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very nice looking car the cupra k1 and very under rated
Cupra k1 :cool: was one at a local meet the other day, had stage 2, think it was pushing near or over 300bhp and sounded like a rocket :evil:
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I do like k1s. Not a fan of the dash but everythibg else is :cool:
mate has one which once he has it mapped should be pushing out around 340bhp :evil:
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The MPS is great fun for a while, but the gears are a joke when cold and it becomes a pain to drive. Alot of car for the money, but I wouldnt buy another
The M3 is the ovbious choice for performance at this kind on money, but again very expensive to run and there are no shortcuts here.
The S3, is again an outstanding performer here, but you will get bored of the drive very quickly and demand more power, which will just make it fast and still boring.
mk5 GTI/ED30 are both simply too slow in std form. This is probably the route to go down if you are interested in modding.
The 330, again a good choice, but once stuff starts to go wrong prepare for a good hard shafting by the dealers.
Simple winner here is the R32 mk5. It wont go wrong like your mk4 either.
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R32 all day. S3 for £13k is high mileage or crap spec
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been looking at this r32
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251087215521?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_1344wt_1396
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nicest colour i think to :cool:
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what about this? good deal or a little expensive?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280897945236?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_1569wt_1396
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Buy a Merc.
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Buy a Merc.
or some other american crap
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Buy a Merc.
or some other american crap
I hope your leasing company has not given you one of the South African or Chinese produced GTI's. No wonder the engines destroy themselves...... on the starter motor :grin:
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Buy a Merc.
or some other american crap
I hope your leasing company has not given you one of the South African or Chinese produced GTI's. No wonder the engines destroy themselves...... on the starter motor :grin:
abviously driving that merc has made your mind slow... I dont have a lease car :laugh:
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335d or better still 535d :wink:
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m3 :) only live once do it! if i had the money for any of those cars id be looking at a m3 without a doubt! 345 bhp? if i remember arent they
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think about adding a bit to the old credit card, with
out the mrs knowledge to buy this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/supercharged-bmw-e46-m3-convertible-525-bhp-very-fast-highly-modified-/200770385809?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2ebed8f791#ht_882wt_1396
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335 d or m3 but not a vert get a tintop
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right went out today to test drive the S3 and what i can say is i left very disappointed there is no way that thing has 265bhp felt slow, sluggish, heavy in the corners, the gearbox was very notchy, & to top it off it developed a misfire half way through the test drive (the mazda 3 mps i test drove felt so much better).
Going to look at a mk5 R32 tomorrow so fingers crossed, this money is burning a hole in my pocket i even contemplated a supercharged ep3 civic TR :shocked:
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If you like driving and are considering an M3...you will find an S3 dull as dishwater.
It's efficient...and totally un-involving.
Are running costs important?
You have the 'M Tax' to deal with on the M3!
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running costs aren't really an issue but tax is. I pay enough as it is.
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right went out today to test drive the S3 and what i can say is i left very disappointed there is no way that thing has 265bhp felt slow, sluggish, heavy in the corners, the gearbox was very notchy, & to top it off it developed a misfire half way through the test drive (the mazda 3 mps i test drove felt so much better).
Going to look at a mk5 R32 tomorrow so fingers crossed, this money is burning a hole in my pocket i even contemplated a supercharged ep3 civic TR :shocked:
Sounds fecked, probably didnt have 265bhp!
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right went out today to test drive the S3 and what i can say is i left very disappointed there is no way that thing has 265bhp felt slow, sluggish, heavy in the corners, the gearbox was very notchy, & to top it off it developed a misfire half way through the test drive (the mazda 3 mps i test drove felt so much better).
Going to look at a mk5 R32 tomorrow so fingers crossed, this money is burning a hole in my pocket i even contemplated a supercharged ep3 civic TR :shocked:
Sounds fecked, probably didnt have 265bhp!
you would say that you own one lol but tbh mate there waaayyyyyy over rated.
im going with a mk5 R32 im looking at a few on ebay and r32oc is there anywhere else i could be looking?
liking the idea of a supercharged v6.
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I had an R32 and the S3 is and feels faster.
If you hadn't said it developed a misfire, I wouldn't be saying it didn't have 265bhp. For your price range you were probably looking at poor examples to be fair.
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can you recommend me any juless3.
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deposit left..... this is the new vehicle.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110904987299?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_1741wt_1396
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Very nice :cool:
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Very nice indeed. :cool:
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remap the sh1t out of it and it'll be much fun :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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you could of had an m3... and you bought a van? did i miss something
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so far my list consists of:
E46 BMW M3
E46 BMW 330ci or d
mazda 3 mps
mk5 golf r32
mk5 golf gti
Audi S3
deposit left..... this is the new vehicle.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110904987299?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_1741wt_1396
BWAA HAAA HAAAA :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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you could of had an m3... and you bought a van? did i miss something
Yeah lol my plans changed as ive got a R1, firblade, crf250 and wanted to do more with them i.e trackdays, off roading etc etc. so brought a pretty nippy van to transport them, sleep in & eat in.
bikes are way more fun.
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Thumbs Up.
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you could of had an m3... and you bought a van? did i miss something
Yes: how epic Transporters are.
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very nice that is :cool:
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you could of had an m3... and you bought a van? did i miss something
Yes: how epic Transporters are.
depends if you have anything to put in them... :undecided:
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you could of had an m3... and you bought a van? did i miss something
Yes: how epic immense Transporters are.
:evil:
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you could of had an m3... and you bought a van? did i miss something
Yes: how epic immense Transporters are.
:evil:
over priced van springs to mind etto
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(http://www.chris-beckett.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/comic-book-guy.jpg)
Worst mid life crisis vehicle ever!!
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OP does - he has track toys and also somewhere to sleep now.
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you could of had an m3... and you bought a van? did i miss something
Yes: how epic Transporters are.
I know they can look cool
but what makes them Epic?
Iv heard otherwise of a few owners...
Over priced Scene tax central too
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The handling, performance, the reasonable economy and the space.
Although this isn't quite the right one as it's not a 4motion and doesn't have a tailgate.
It's the intelligent choice, which explains why you don't understand it.
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you could of had an m3... and you bought a van? did i miss something
Yes: how epic Transporters are.
I've driven a transporter, and I thought it was terrible, the seating position is awful, the pedals are way too high, the ride is uncomfortable and almost everything is an optional extra, I much prefer the old transporters, the old ones are more reliable too, unlike the newer ones that are made of cheese.
6 months old and it couldn't do more than 200 miles without developing an engine management fault of some kind that would cut the power then eventually stop the thing running at all.
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(http://static.usedcardeal.co.uk/images/dealer_sites/car_pix/used-seat-leon-013370956938449.jpg)
Is this the K1 then? Looks alright but looks like a shark that is out of water!!!!!
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(http://static.usedcardeal.co.uk/images/dealer_sites/car_pix/used-seat-leon-013370956938449.jpg)
Is this the K1 then? Looks alright but looks like a shark that is out of water!!!!!
(http://sharkyear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Great-White-Shark-caught-in-Canada-Aug2011.jpg)
Ahh yes, I can see the resemblance. :grin:
Looks like a real tidy vehicle mate, very practical to for what you mentioned also. Remap the sh!t out of it, a few other choice engine mods perhaps and you'll have one very quick van, even with your bikes in the back :smug:
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I've driven a transporter, and I thought it was terrible, the seating position is awful, the pedals are way too high, the ride is uncomfortable and almost everything is an optional extra
Well done, you've just described a 'van'.
I much prefer the old transporters, the old ones are more reliable too, unlike the newer ones that are made of cheese.
You've not heard all about air-cooled reliability and 'waterleaker' engines in T25s then?
:grin:
6 months old and it couldn't do more than 200 miles without developing an engine management fault of some kind that would cut the power then eventually stop the thing running at all.
Probably a DPF fault. Easily resolved.
Of course, we could base our judgement on T5s on your experience of one - that would be really accurate.
As I know a lot of people who run them as commercial vehicles and campers, I know that in general they are very reliable, capable motors.
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drive a vivaro VAN, any Vt4 or 5 will be a limo in comparison :laugh:
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I've driven a transporter, and I thought it was terrible, the seating position is awful, the pedals are way too high, the ride is uncomfortable and almost everything is an optional extra
Well done, you've just described a 'van'.
No I described a new 'Transporter' :rolleyes: That doesn't describe the old transporters, old or new Transits, whatever variant of the Vivaro/Traffic/Primastar, Sprinters, Combo van, corsa van, fiesta van, the Transit Connect, I could go on, all of which are not bad to drive when compared to the newer Transporters, granted with all of these most things would have been an optional extra.
I much prefer the old transporters, the old ones are more reliable too, unlike the newer ones that are made of cheese.
You've not heard all about air-cooled reliability and 'waterleaker' engines in T25s then?
:grin:
I'm talking about 90's transporters that would run without a problem, even when it was missing a few litres of oil and water, never got a service and was used by a builder so got abused on a daily basis, never missing a beat, unlike the one my sisters old boss has that he uses to carry animal food from the shed to a bit of land he owns a few miles away from where he lives that detonated it's engine being less than 2 years old with less than 30k on the clock.
6 months old and it couldn't do more than 200 miles without developing an engine management fault of some kind that would cut the power then eventually stop the thing running at all.
Probably a DPF fault. Easily resolved.
Then why was it not resolved? it went back to VW time and time again, got nowhere.
Of course, we could base our judgement on T5s on your experience of one - that would be really accurate.
As I know a lot of people who run them as commercial vehicles and campers, I know that in general they are very reliable, capable motors.
Not asking you to base your judgement on my opinion, to be honest I couldn't give a sh!t what you think about them or my opinion, just giving my opinion on them the same as you did, just that it happens that I now know them not to be very good and you know them to be "Epic" did you want me to base my judgement on your opinion? Am I not allowed my own view on them? I used to want a Transporter as a works van rather than the transit I had, that was until I drove one.
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they are a good van. expensive van yes but good van.
one places i work at have one, engine was tweeked up as far as it would go the day it arrived and its been utterly abused since, faster than a lot of cars. more econmical than quite a lot of cars ( when you dont have the fuel card ) done 80 K being thrashed to f**k and it's not showing sings of dieing yet.
i've owned quite a lot of vans an driven used meany more.
vhauxhall vans are sh!t gearboxs made of chocolate killed one at 30 k miles and i wasent even being nasty to it gboxes dont seem to make 50k
sprinter vans / lt35 pull well but don't do corners
festa van same as a festa just nasty and not big enough to be usefull same goes for corsa van
transit connect / FWD transits - crap by default transits are menat to be RWD, FWD ones are just oversized festas and usally gutless
transit 125T350 - epic van drives the right wheels , goes round corners, carrys weight well, pulls trailers well, puts up with abuse well
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unlike the one my sisters old boss has that he uses to carry animal food from the shed to a bit of land he owns a few miles away from where he lives that detonated it's engine being less than 2 years old with less than 30k on the clock.
It could have been a Polo and it would probably have grenaded itself. Current model diesel motors don't like a diet of short trips, hence the one Danny's described that had been thrashed to within an inch of its life has loved it.
I have no idea why VW wasn't able to resolve the fault. Maybe you should ask them? I presume you took it to multiple dealerships to get a resolution? To only use one dealer to try and get a resolution to a difficult problem would be a bit silly.
Your original post made it sound like you'd only driven one T5. If that was the case then basing your opinion on a sample of one would make your opinion pretty invalid. It's like saying 'I once went to the Isle of Wight and had a cr*p holiday. The Isle of Wight is a cr*p place for you to go on holiday'. If you've driven lots of T5s and you simply don't like the driving position then that's a rather different situation.
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unlike the one my sisters old boss has that he uses to carry animal food from the shed to a bit of land he owns a few miles away from where he lives that detonated it's engine being less than 2 years old with less than 30k on the clock.
It could have been a Polo and it would probably have grenaded itself. Current model diesel motors don't like a diet of short trips, hence the one Danny's described that had been thrashed to within an inch of its life has loved it.
I have no idea why VW wasn't able to resolve the fault. Maybe you should ask them? I presume you took it to multiple dealerships to get a resolution? To only use one dealer to try and get a resolution to a difficult problem would be a bit silly.
Your original post made it sound like you'd only driven one T5. If that was the case then basing your opinion on a sample of one would make your opinion pretty invalid. It's like saying 'I once went to the Isle of Wight and had a cr*p holiday. The Isle of Wight is a cr*p place for you to go on holiday'. If you've driven lots of T5s and you simply don't like the driving position then that's a rather different situation.
Yes it got taken to more than one dealership, I even brought it home and took it to a garage round the corner from me who gets sent all the cars and vans that the main dealers can't fix, he is by far the best I know of for finding out what is wrong with anything and even he could not find the fault with it.
And I could never have a crap holiday on the isle of wight, hopefully coming out the at end of september if I can get the time off work, what's your address? I'll make sure to avoid you pop in and say hello. :wink: :evil:
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Anyone that buys a Vivaro over a Transporter need their heads checking out.
Horrible, unreliable piles of crap. Gearboxes, EGR systems and fuel pumps seem to self destruct periodically.
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Buy a motorhome with a garage. Space for a motorbike and 6 beds.
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Buy a motorhome with a garage. Space for a motorbike and 6 beds.
was thinking about this :shocked: :shocked:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3550535.htm
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Buy a motorhome with a garage. Space for a motorbike and 6 beds.
was thinking about this :shocked: :shocked:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3550535.htm
Good trucks them old 'p' cab scania's.