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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: murraymint on 28 May 2012, 21:16
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Firstly, I know this was asked about a week ago and secondly, I know it would be easier to just buy a gti, that's not what I'm asking, but.
What parts from an 8v gti would I need to convert my 1.6 to a 2ltr 8v?
Here's the list that bellend posted
- Engine, gearbox and all parts associated such as starter, alternator, clutch. (anything else)
- Slam panel and radiator
- ECU
- Engine Loom
- Clocks, stalks and associated looms
- Immob box and loom
- Fuel pump
Is there anything he missed?
I'm gunna uprate the brakes using 8v calipers and g60 discs.
I'm looking into doing this as I've got my 1.6 pritty much how I want it, apart from lacking in power, and as its a cl it dosnt have plastic arches and sills and the rust that comes with it. I'd love a 1.8t or vr6, but Havnt got the funds to do a 1.8t or run a vr6 :laugh:
Cheers josh
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If you're going to upgrade then go for a 16v minimum, because honestly, the 8v is not really worth all the effort.
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If you're going to upgrade then go for a 16v minimum, because honestly, the 8v is not really worth all the effort.
Yh I see what your saying, but think that I could do this conversion myself at home with out too much trouble, and I know that the 8v might not have lots of power but it's still neally twice as much as the 1.6,
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how much is a 2.0 8v gonna cost? cant be much more for a 16v/vr6/1.8t
its not the engines themselves that cost the money but everything else that you need as well
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I've got my 1.6 pritty much how I want it, apart from lacking in power
an 8v gti engine will not solve this problem :grin:
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how much is a 2.0 8v gonna cost? cant be much more for a 16v/vr6/1.8t
its not the engines themselves that cost the money but everything else that you need as well
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I've got my 1.6 pritty much how I want it, apart from lacking in power
an 8v gti engine will not solve this problem :grin:
Well looked into a 1.8t and it soons adds up I.e. doner 16v, and then the 1.8t engine.
Ive owned a 16v and I liked the power.
Also unless I can find a bargain engine, I rekon I could pick up a rotted out 8v for that same/less then a 1.8t lump.
And I know that the 8v 'isn't fast' but it's gotta be quicker then the 1.6.
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I disagree, as the price of fuel/insurance creeps up and 16v's become rarer and more expensive the 8v makes more sense than ever, its a tough reliable motor that is a better drive than the much quoted figures and numbers suggest and your more likely to come across a rotten but mechanically sound 8v for peanuts.
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well I did sell my old 8v engine for £8 :grin:
not sure if you need things like engine brackets but I'd imagine the 1.6 ones are different, also new mounts? is the gear change mechanism the same?
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If your going to all the hassle then fit a 16v, 8v is ok but 16v makes the most sense in the long run.
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If your going to all the hassle then fit a 16v, 8v is ok but 16v makes the most sense in the long run.
I loved my old 16v don't get me wrong but I also loved revving the tits off it which my wallet didn't love.
well I did sell my old 8v engine for £8 :grin:
not sure if you need things like engine brackets but I'd imagine the 1.6 ones are different, also new mounts? is the gear change mechanism the same?
Yh pritty sure the gear change is the same, I just put a Mk3 8v gti gbox ina mk2 Jetta 1.8 non gti and that's got the same rod change as my 1.6. I think all the engine mounts are the same but I'm sure someone will correct me if not.
£8?! Bargain, can't see me getting a valver or turbo for under £10 :laugh:
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I'm afraid I'm going have to agree with several of the other comments made, go with a 16v engine minimum as it wont be long before you'll be wanting to rip it out again. Admittedly the 8v would be the cheapest and easiest option but not by a lot to be fair. Donor vehicles cost sod all these days.
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I loved my old 16v don't get me wrong but I also loved revving the tits off it which my wallet didn't love.
8V is not that good on fuel, you have to drive them harder so not much fuel saving to be seen.
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Converting 1.6 to 16v is the same work as a 1.6 to 8v. You still have to change engine, gearbox and wiring. The only difference is the engine itself, which all fits up the same. Yes the 16v engine will be a bit more but it won't be much.
Oh and a 16v will easily do 40mpg if you drive reasonably easy. I've had 42 out of mine before.
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Converting 1.6 to 16v is the same work as a 1.6 to 8v. You still have to change engine, gearbox and wiring. The only difference is the engine itself, which all fits up the same. Yes the 16v engine will be a bit more but it won't be much.
Oh and a 16v will easily do 40mpg if you drive reasonably easy. I've had 42 out of mine before.
I've had 42 out of my old one too, but that did turn into 25 very quickly.
16vs got a hydro clutch to to sort out also?
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So anything else needed other then whats on the list in the first post?
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15 miles away from me :undecided:
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15 miles away from me :undecided:
See if you can do a deal with them, having a donor car makes the conversion a lot easier.
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clutch conversion is very simple there's even the hole already there behind the pedal, the hardest part is getting that f**king white plastic clip into the back of the pedal. That thing had me almost in tears!
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Firstly, I know this was asked about a week ago and secondly, I know it would be easier to just buy a gti, that's not what I'm asking, but.
What parts from an 8v gti would I need to convert my 1.6 to a 2ltr 8v?
Here's the list that bellend posted
- Engine, gearbox and all parts associated such as starter, alternator, clutch. (anything else)
- Slam panel and radiator
- ECU
- Engine Loom
- Clocks, stalks and associated looms
- Immob box and loom
- Fuel pump
Is there anything he missed?
I'm gunna uprate the brakes using 8v calipers and g60 discs.
I'm looking into doing this as I've got my 1.6 pritty much how I want it, apart from lacking in power, and as its a cl it dosnt have plastic arches and sills and the rust that comes with it. I'd love a 1.8t or vr6, but Havnt got the funds to do a 1.8t or run a vr6 :laugh:
Cheers josh
So what else would be needed for a 16v conversion, as I have no room for another car, so would have to rip out everything Id need n then scrap the shell
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Key and immobilizer, hydro clutch + clutch line, wiring loom, ECU obviously, engine + box, rad + rad pipes, airbox to throttle body pipe, airbox (16v has a different top half, it has a hole for an intake tempe sensor).
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So for a valver
- Engine, gearbox and all parts associated such as starter, alternator, clutch. (anything else)
- Slam panel and radiator and pipes
- key and immobilizer
- ECU
- Engine Loom
- Clocks, stalks and associated looms
- Immob box and loom
- Fuel pump
- hydro clutch + clutch line
- airbox and airbox to throttle body pipe
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110886479803&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_500wt_922
15 miles away from me :undecided:
Do it!
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110886479803&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_500wt_922
15 miles away from me :undecided:
Do it!
His buy it now price is about £250 :undecided:
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Surely worth that mate, once you've ravaged it for parts you'll recoup that in parts and scrap.
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Well worth £250 all day long :afro:
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agree, if the engine is sound £250 is very very good! You'll get the money back from selling bits off your old engine, and breaking up the donor car, selling bits off then weighing it in.
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Well worth £250 all day long :afro:
Surely worth that mate, once you've ravaged it for parts you'll recoup that in parts and scrap.
agree, if the engine is sound £250 is very very good! You'll get the money back from selling bits off your old engine, and breaking up the donor car, selling bits off then weighing it in.
This forum is a very back influence :grin:
Hmmm, il have a think about it tonight, n maybe go n have a look at it tomorrow. It's kinda of ideal apart from the timing, due to funds, I could afford it but it would be on the trusty credit card and the other half would need some sweet talking
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Give her a slap and tell her to mind her own business. :evil:
Failing that you could always use the 'safer car tactic' like I do, tell her you need the extra power to do safer overtaking manoeuvres or something. :wink:
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£250 damn I've blown that on all kinds of crap a lot less worthwhile than a valver :grin:
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I have 16v engine box subframes radiator and Ecu I can accept the loom being needed but can I ask why have the immobiliser box and keys etc as wouldn't they only communicate between themselves and tell the Ecu that the key is coded to the box ?? And why the pump , does it run more pressure , Btw it's so much less hassle buying a 16v as I've just stripped one and what an absolute knightmare trying to get the loom out . I left it in the car got so p?@£&d off with it being all attached to the fuse board so if anyone wants a 16v engine box subframe etc then I've got one make me an offer
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The chip in the key and the transponder box have to match and and they also have to be coded to the ECU.
So if you just swap the ECU then the car won't run but you can code your exsisting transponder and key to the new ECU with VAG-com
If you have the whole car then its easier to swap the whole lot.....
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Where is the transponder box?
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Where is the transponder box?
near the steering column, if you was to remove the stereo and air vents, you can see it.
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sweet
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Yh it's a small black box with two wires going into it, one of the wires goes to the ring on the ignition barrel
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I've got a question related to this subject. I've got a 8v gti with heated seats and climatronic. I've been considering doing a 16v swap from a donor car. My only issue is will I be able to make the heated seats and climate control work? Or is it a question of modifying the 16v loom to accommodate these? :smiley:
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You shouldn't have to touch them parts of the looms just the engine side
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Should be fine.
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You shouldn't have to touch them parts of the looms just the engine side
Great! :grin:
Thanks allot man! :smiley:
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I've got a question related to this subject. I've got a 8v gti with heated seats and climatronic. I've been considering doing a 16v swap from a donor car. My only issue is will I be able to make the heated seats and climate control work? Or is it a question of modifying the 16v loom to accommodate these? :smiley:
Check you out with your climatronic..... Jealous!
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I've got a question related to this subject. I've got a 8v gti with heated seats and climatronic. I've been considering doing a 16v swap from a donor car. My only issue is will I be able to make the heated seats and climate control work? Or is it a question of modifying the 16v loom to accommodate these? :smiley:
Check you out with your climatronic..... Jealous!
Hehe. That's probably the only thing I've got on the plus side compared to your car :grin:
Wish mine would look like yours :rolleyes: