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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Horney on 14 February 2012, 22:33
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Hello all!
So yesterday I had a meeting with my new Boss, just a general catch up meeting about my probation objectives. Meeting all went well, hitting all my objectives and he's really happy with what I'm doing, how I'm doing it nd how I'm fitting in with the new team. However at the end of the meeting he went on to say that I need to sort out my personal appearance. He doesn't like my hair and I need to get rid of the "Chin fluff". I've had the same hair cut and facial hair since I started at the company 13 months ago and have had it in all the interviews I attended.I was more than somewhat taken aback and didn't really say much after that.
This is me today (same as I looked yesterday) in a shot I took for the company newsletter:
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Mug shot of moi for work (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nickhorne/6877517415/) by Nicholas R Horne (http://www.flickr.com/people/nickhorne/), on Flickr
Now in the 18 years since I started working no one has ever taken issue with the way I look. I have been in customer facing roles for over 10 years, meeting boards of directors, MP's and I've even met the queen. I got home last night and I was proper fuming. I'm actually much less scruffy in the hair/beard department than I have been for years and at times in my working like I've had a pony tale and a long goatie.
Anyone else had anything similar? How did you handle it?
He also had a go at me for being a smoker which really did my nut in. I only go out for a smoke at lunchtime!!!!! Tis make make it sound like I don't get on with him, when in fact I do. He's a nice chap, knows his stuff, is well respected in the business and has been very supportive in my first 6 weeks in the new job.
Nick
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Sounds like he's picking for the sake of picking.
In my probation review they commented on how I was wearing a polo shirt a lot. Said polo was our team, company branded shirt provided by them to wear.
Wouldn't worry about it!
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My previous boss use to moan about facial hair, I just ignored him as he never got along with any staff as a line manager, was a tool. I'd say thats clean and tidy in comparison to what some people look like.
Bit baffled by the comment, maybe his testing you to see if you will be his b!tch that he can take dogging :grin:
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Maybe he just got out of the wrong side of the bed that morning? As you've said, he's always been ok in the past.
I used to get constantly talked to about my appearance at work. Despite working in a back office role they had very high standards on personal appearance. If I had a pound for every time I was told to have a shave or do my top button up, I'd be a rich man. Most days I'd get away with it, it just seemed to be when my manager was in a bad mood, or if he had nothing better to do. Sadly he got promoted, and the manager from hell (scouser) replaced him. She seemed to go out of her way to pull me up on things, despite the fact I performed my job above and beyond what was expected of me.
I remember on one occasion she was monging on about my "beard" as she called it.
"Nigel, we've spoken about this before. You are not allowed to grow facial hair on work time"
"it's ok, I only grow it when I'm at home"
If looks could kill :grin:
Moved departments shortly after and my new manager prefers men with beards, she actively encourages us not to shave :cool:
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Take them to HR,
racists fluffists.
Alternatively, they saw you talking 911's and thought you don't look middle aged enough :tongue:
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Is it written down anywhere that you cannot have facial hair? Anyone else have beards/tashes?
Appearance is very subjective and IMO you look fine. You should see the state of me sometimes but that's the beauty of working in a factory. I get called a scruffy git most days at work and at home. If it's not 3 weeks of growth on my face its 7 weeks worth on my head
Unless it's in your contract that you must not have facial hair I wouldn't worry about it. Like achieve said maybe he couldn't think of anything else to find fault with. If it was that bad he would have pulled you up on it before now
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My guess is that he's stretching his legs in the authority department and establishing his dominance.
A bit like a dog p¡ss¡ng up a lamp post.
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I ought to add that the new role is that of account manager and I go out of the office for meetings with our customers. When I do go out I always have a wet shave of the none beard part of my face. :grin:
Normally I would have made a stand or at least a sarky/funny comment but my new Boss is also one of the company directors and I'm still in my probationary period.
I do need a bit of a haircut as it's getting a bit long and was going to get it cut on Saturday anyway but it'll still be a but spiky. As for the beard I really don't want to be completely clean shaven. I haven't been since I could grow a beard and I feel naked without it and rathe runcomfortable (probably sounds odd to none beardies!).
Nick
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Sounds like Big dog pissing on your shoes to make a point Nick the fact he Nitpicked on small issues means its nothing!
I got done by wear shorts, sandles and string vest across a trading floor I lost a bet :cry:
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Take them to HR, racists fluffists.
Alternatively, they saw you talking 911's and thought you don't look middle aged enough :tongue:
:grin:
Don't start on that. Having spoken to HR I could actually buy a 911 with the car allowance as they confirmed their is no stipulation fo rthe number of seats and that one of the guys in my team who left shortly before I joined the company had a Boxster he bought with his!
Nick
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Get it all the time....................
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Get it all the time....................
Sure that's not just your ugly face that's the problem?
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To be honest your hair is a bit of a mess Nick :lipsrsealed:
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You do look like a bit of an oik.
Thing is you're starting to get a bit jowly and senior looking.
You're just being groomed for upper-middle-management.
Enjoy it. :grin:
Look through John Lewis's menswear section - check out some of the models and maybe align yourself with some of their looks. You'll go far with a few tweaks, young man.
Look up High Times in Middle Management by Doloroso, if you haven't heard it before. You'll enjoy. :grin:
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Get it all the time....................
Sure that's not just your ugly face that's the problem?
"Hello pot this is kettle, come in pot................"
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Pot receiving you loud and clear. Over.
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I am utterly gobsmacked at this!
In my 15 years in banking and in teaching I've never come across anything like this. I could understand if you were a scruffy twit but you look fine.
If appearances regarding facial hair etc were paramount it should have been discussed at interview.
Sounds like a classic case of a dicky boss trying to find fault with someone they feel threatened by...
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Nick, Its probably just office gossip, you've probably been talked about... testing the water I would say, don't worry about it, unless your appearance is questioned again...
Smoking at work is something I hate, cant stand to be served in a shop by someone that had just nipped out on fag break, I also hate to see employees standing out the back of the building having a "smoke" I would also object, if I was a non smoker, to other smoking employees getting preferential treatment, and the benefit of extra ciggy breaks! I have found that smokers in general, see that theirs nothing wrong with this practice... and honestly, If I had my way, I would ban smoking at work entirely!
I also know of more than a couple of cases, where people have gone to job interviews, and not been given the job because they smell of smoke!
Socially, I have absolutely no problem with anyone smoking, and I will never raise the subject, or, other than this thread, give my opinion...
Nothing personal.
Thom
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I would say that he is just stamping his authority on you. One day I went to work and had to sit on the beach for an hour during lunch cos I was so hungover and still no one said anything. That's in the insane world of the architectural practice. I Wouldn't worry definitely wouldn't worry.
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You hardly look scruffy! I understand that some times is more important to look smart than others But thats something i'm sure yoir more than capable of judging yourself. Ignore him :wink:
I'm so glad i don't work in an office where things like this are expected! I did however take some photos for a corporate event. And was asked to take my plug out. I still stand by it looks worse without it in than it does with it in but hey ho.
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Get a haircut you bum! :grin:
So pleased i work in engineering,i dont think i could handle getting suited and booted everyday and being criticised for not having the correct knot in my tie!
In fact you get grief in most of the places i work if your not scruffy/covered in oil as it looks like youve not done bugger all :evil:
God bless manual labour/being on the tools.
I think you look fine to be quite honest though. :smug:
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It's possible a customer you've had a meeting with may have mentioned something to him and he may feel obligated to persuade you to shave it off... if there is nothing in your contract about it, sod him, grow it a little longer :grin:
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being criticised for not having the correct knot in my tie!
Good point, well put.
It's not a Half Windsor. Shoddy.
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I agree with him on the smoking, i am smoker but i don't smoke at work due to the fact it stinks.
There is nothing they can do about facial hair as far as i am aware or i would have used it on one of my employees as he has a full scruffy beard which just looks a mess plus he has a pony tail in a plait :sick:
I did once have some tell me to have a shave wear i used to work but they probably had a point as i look odd when not clean shaven :grin:
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you are on your trial period for this new job are you not ? :huh: going out to meet clients etc .
if so its time for a skin head horney and be clean shaven, pop round I will sort it out for ya :evil:
or at least a good trim and a clean fresh face for a while, :lipsrsealed:
I got pulled up on my hair and beard recently, so i have lost the LOT, bald eagle time :cool:
however I think they may have prefered me with hair to be honest :grin:
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You should see some of the scruffs I have to work with, your boss should come and see them and then he would know what untidy and unkempt might mean.
You look totally acceptable for the job you are in and your boss sound like a nit picking pompous areshole.
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Catch my drift?
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being criticised for not having the correct knot in my tie!
Good point, well put.
It's not a Half Windsor. Shoddy.
Do people even know what a full Windsor knot is these days?
My tie collection is extensive I haven't put one on in three years come to think about it!
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Do people even know what a full Windsor knot is these days?
My tie collection is extensive I haven't put one on in three years come to think about it!
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Me :smiley: always have a full Windsor. Love a good tie knot.
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Catch my drift?
No, the difference is they are the boss and don’t answer to anyone.Do as i say not as i do :wink:
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As you've said, your still on your probationary period, therefore you need to be prepared to take it on the chin (no pun intended) and maybe just tidy it up a little. You were gonna get your hair cut anyway, so that's fine, you obviously thought yourself it was getting a little long and unkept, but maybe just trim your goatee so it's all uniform. That way both of you kinda get what you want, and you both keep a modicum of respect and dignity. :smiley: I know it's not laid down in writing anywhere, but clean shaven always seems to be viewed as being more professional! :rolleyes: I know, I have to have a shave every bloody day in my line of work. :angry:
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I am always getting picked up for my sideburns being too long, wearing 3/4 sleeves, beret looking alley...
All those who understand that sidies are supposed to be halfway up the ear, sleeves rolled above the elbow and beret brass over the left eye, as apposed to over the ear where mine resides..
Then again,being on tour with no rank, no badges and no boss has its privileges... Especially when the RSM starts balling at you and asks who you work for...
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Take them to HR, racists fluffists.
Alternatively, they saw you talking 911's and thought you don't look middle aged enough :tongue:
This. Life is full of compromises. Do you want to look middle aged and corporate, or young and a tad rebellious.
What your boss says isn't sh!t until he puts something in writing.
Just keep beard & hair short, and clean shave the other bits everyday.
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You do look like a bit of an oik.
Thing is you're starting to get a bit jowly and senior looking.
You're just being groomed for upper-middle-management.
Enjoy it. :grin:
Look through John Lewis's menswear section - check out some of the models and maybe align yourself with some of their looks. You'll go far with a few tweaks, young man.
Look up High Times in Middle Management by Doloroso, if you haven't heard it before. You'll enjoy. :grin:
ha ha, and this.
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Just get a look at the palm of his hand - it's your future that's in it. Then decide for yourself if you want to comply or not :grin:
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i get grief if i dont have a wet shave every day, i work at an insurance brokers and am kind of front office. i does annoy me as i like a bit of stubble and shaving every day it a right pain in the arse! i can see their point of view but i dont agree with it, and i'm sure there is nothing they could do about it but i want to keep on their good side.
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I would say that if you are in a Customer facing role (which you clearly are), then you really should be looking as good as possible. First impressions last, so I would make sure that your hair is neat and clean looking and you just keep a smart-ish goatee and wet shave the rest every day. No-one will pull you up on that. By the sound of things he is doing the "Big dog" thing and is giving you an idea of his perfect candidate. A small effort on your part could go a long way by the sounds of things.
Think about it this way - if you are called at short notice to visit a client (no time to shave) and they're a bit "Old School", you might not come across as well as you could. That might be the marginal difference between getting a big contract and not - something as small as that can make a massive impression on people.
I've always been a bit scruffy since I stopped doing customer facing work - I don't always shave now and apart from weddings and funerals I haven't worn a tie in 10 years so I am hardly one to judge; that said I did spend 12 years in various customer facing roles and appearance was absolutely paramount.
Oh, and b*ll**ks to him about your smoking - just don't do it before a meeting! :laugh:
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Get a haircut you bum! :grin:
So pleased i work in engineering,i dont think i could handle getting suited and booted everyday and being criticised for not having the correct knot in my tie!
In fact you get grief in most of the places i work if your not scruffy/covered in oil as it looks like youve not done bugger all :evil:
God bless manual labour/being on the tools.
I think you look fine to be quite honest though. :smug:
Snap, sod suits and shirts and sh!t, never have a shower in the morning and shave twice a week max :cool:
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^ do you like 'dags' Steve?
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Dags? sorry am not clued up on all this slang speak :lipsrsealed:
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Look fine to me...although not really similar I had the same treatment when began working at Kwik-Fit a good few years ago. Yes Kwik-Fit, a sugar house tyre and exhaust centre. First day the regional manager had a go at me for having a bit of stubble and my hair was a bit messy. Wasn't long or that just thick as it was winter and like to have a warm head in a place were there are no heaters. Also had a go for not having the top button on my overalls done up. Was young a bit naive and told him basically to do one and stop picking at me. He was going to fire me but the depot manager talked him out of it as we were short staffed as nobody wanted to work for Kwik-Fit at the time, I wonder why!!!
I'm so glad i'm self employed these days as hate dealing with those sort of people. Dispise having to suck up or please others just to earn a wage.
If i were you i tell them to get a grip as you look fine for your position. Although I wouldn't recommend it just in case. Go in tommorow with a mohawk, bad tatoo and a nose ring and make a stand lol.
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never have a shower in the morning
That's just wrong :sick: :grin:
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Whats the point, I work in a factory where the temperature in production ranges from 40 degrees to 60 degrees so 30 mins after starting work you stink. Plus am a mechanical fitter/technician so get covered in oil, grease, dust and grime. I have a shower as soon as I get home. :wink:
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Whats the point, I work in a factory where the temperature in production ranges from 40 degrees to 60 degrees so 30 mins after starting work you stink. Plus am a mechanical fitter/technician so get covered in oil, grease, dust and grime. I have a shower as soon as I get home. :wink:
Indeed......I thought all mechanics showered at night. Nae point in the morning, waste of hot water.
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^ do you like 'dags' Steve?
:grin: :grin: :grin:
Thom
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^ do you like 'dags' Steve?
:grin: :grin: :grin:
Thom
Thank you Thom, at least two of us are in the 21st century.
Dags Steve, as in, "d'ya loike dags?" from Snatch.
As in I'm calling you a pikey for not showering!
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^ do you like 'dags' Steve?
:grin: :grin: :grin:
Thom
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Periwinkle Blue, its fer me ma!
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Dags! Ahh...brings back memories from "Neighbours" as a kid.
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"A person employed to remove the crusty pieces of excrement found hanging from a sheep’s arse or the pieces of excrement that are not removed by fail of personal hygiene."
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^ do you like 'dags' Steve?
:grin: :grin: :grin:
Thom
Thank you Thom, at least two of us are in the 21st century.
Dags Steve, as in, "d'ya loike dags?" from Snatch.
As in I'm calling you a pikey for not showering!
Next time am around your mk2 we'll find out if am a pikey..... :tongue:
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Fook me Nick you look like right scruff! sort ya self out! :grin:
Actually I think you look hot! :kiss: :grin:
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^ do you like 'dags' Steve?
:grin: :grin: :grin:
Thom
Thank you Thom, at least two of us are in the 21st century.
Dags Steve, as in, "d'ya loike dags?" from Snatch.
As in I'm calling you a pikey for not showering!
and a cup o T for the big fella :grin:
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In all honesty, I think you come across as articulate and intelligent with the goatee than without.
But then again, I'm biased as I have a beard and that makes me frikkin' Einstein!
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Get a haircut you bum! :grin:
So pleased i work in engineering,i dont think i could handle getting suited and booted everyday and being criticised for not having the correct knot in my tie!
In fact you get grief in most of the places i work if your not scruffy/covered in oil as it looks like youve not done bugger all :evil:
God bless manual labour/being on the tools.
I think you look fine to be quite honest though. :smug:
Snap, sod suits and shirts and sh!t, never have a shower in the morning and shave twice a week max :cool:
Looks like were in the same game :grin:
I never have a shower before i go to work,however after a 17 hour shift on a sat and 17 on sunday,theres nothing i want to do more than have a shower when i get home.
Although im made to strip off at the front door as im usually covered in graphite,stag,general aerospace manufacturing smeg.
Balls to being a pen pusher! :evil:
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I'm not a pen pusher but i still don't leave the house without showering couldn't imagine my morning routine without it :undecided:
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Fook me Nick you look like right scruff! sort ya self out! :grin:
Actually I think you look hot! :kiss: :grin:
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ya scruffy b*stard!! :grin:
wouldn't worry about it nick...
if you want to progress then toe the line... get a haircut and shave off the face fungus, couple of new shirts from M&S and everything will be peachy... you'll be in that 996 before you know it
alternatively... rebel and be a beardy weirdy in an MX5
the choice is yours :laugh:
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alternatively... rebel and be a beardy weirdy in an MX5
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I'm not a pen pusher but i still don't leave the house without showering couldn't imagine my morning routine without it :undecided:
This. Don't think I could function properly without a shower in the morning.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPh8WcafRKc :lipsrsealed:
I have a beard and a purple mohawk. No one has said anything to me about it, I am an engineer though but I still get sent on site on breakdowns and have to deal with customers. Its my choice how I look not my boss. Should be the same for you really, its a bit nazi saying 'you cannot have a beard' I think
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i get to shower at work working with brake chemicals, my water bill at home has dropped dramatically :cool:
cant see what there problem is nick.......feck em
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sounds to me like he's testing you to see how much of a b!tch you are. just ignore it, i guarentee you will never hear another word from him! Although i'm surprised Lotus never took issue with nick heidfelds beard, in the words of cleveland "oh thats naaaaaaaasty
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thing is... the company pays you to represent them
and in this current climate you can't be too careful
if you're enjoying your job and want to progress then what harm is a haircut and beard trim?
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thing is... the company pays you to represent them
and in this current climate you can't be too careful
if you're enjoying your job and want to progress then what harm is a haircut and beard trim?
WORD .
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^ That's what got me thinking a client has had a word with Nick's manager.
Fortunately most of our clients are small businesses so the managers / directors are sometimes scruffy themselves and I've felt over dressed in just a shirt, trousers and shoes :grin:
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Kinda slack TBH, as I met with government inspectors the other week, and the boss was very clear with me that I had to "at least wear a shirt". My ethos is funk that, you pay me for the knowledge and skills I bring to the table and not what I look like, so cream jumper over black T-shirt it was. :evil: I'm shaved headed, constant stubble, and a goatee to boot. :grin:
Inspector was happy, Head of Service was happy, Service Managers commented on my good performance and someone else let it be known that the inspector felt more comfortable and relaxed talking to me, all despite my "irregular" dress code.
So I don't get what harm facial fuzz is, and as for haircut??? WTF? For me Nick, carry on as you are squire, and as Jay says, someone has said summat, so if it raises again, ask who and why. Does the company have an acceptable dress code policy? If not....I see a pay out if they get rid of you on the grounds youre hairy...would they dismiss a women employee who was hirsute? :afro:
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Dress for the job you want not the job you have.
My Career took off when I chopped my hippie locks and stopped looking deviant on the outside, also stopped getting tugged by the old bill :grin:
Its good blending into the crowd, I look like any other suit in a long Kashmir coat and case but my mind is just as it was years ago but without the need to advertise my leanings or political direction.
I think it is more subversive than having skanky dreads and a f**k the government T shirt :wink:
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Something else to consider:
A nightclub lets in people only dressed with shoes and shirt...
Another lets in anyone with good music taste...
Which one would you rather be in? The one you enjoy being at which accepts you as you?
Or the one that makes you conform.
Subversion should be viewed as: Eroding the basis of belief in the status quo.
By virtue of this you need to be different from the norm, otherwise it is not subversive at all, it is conformist. :wink:
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By virtue of this you need to be different from the norm, otherwise it is not subversive at all, it is conformist. :wink:
But by that very thought, you're still being a conformist by being different from the norm - just like everyone else conforms to being different from the norm, thus being a conformist :wink: :nerd: :laugh:
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Wow this has gone off on some tangents!
Thanks for all the replies and advice peeps. Clearly I don't want to not pass my probation because I refuse to get a hair cut but at the same time my chin fluff has been there so long it's as much me as my nose or ears are and I'm loathed to shave it off just because my new boss is a bit old skool in his idea of what is and isn't smart.
So anyway, I was going to get a haircut this weekend already as it's a bit too long for my liking. As for the face fur, that's staying but I'll keep it trimmed shorter and wet shave the none fluff bits more often. He's also commented on the fact he doesn't like my "Clearly supermarket suits" so I'll get a new suit, although I shall be ignoring his advice on a shirts as he seems to think anything less than £50 on a shirt is not acceptable. He also has today told me brown shoes are no go, they have to be black. So looks like I'm going shoe shopping on payday as well!!!!!!
Surprised he hasn't pulled me up on my Casio 80's watch and thumb ring yet! :grin:
Nick
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I'd ask if he is going to pay for a new suit and shoes!
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I'd ask if he is going to pay for a new suit and shoes!
Don't go there Len. I've just had to pay for £300 of flights and £600 of hotel out of my savings because they "Don't do company credit cards" and I have to claim it back on expenses. Pretty sure asking for money for shoes and a suit will go down like a sack of sh!t. :grin:
Nick
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Id be telling them to book my flights and hotel themselves if they want me to work abroad.
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Pretty naff company then! Sorry but most companies get big discounts by doing it themselves so they are the ones losing out!
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Damn straight Steve, what if you didn't have that sort of money ? I only have to claim back fuel and smaller expenses (milk, coffee beans, sugar etc) at the end of the month, but if I'd be staying out overnight they'd book and pay it for me.
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I'd ask if he is going to pay for a new suit and shoes!
Don't go there Len. I've just had to pay for £300 of flights and £600 of hotel out of my savings because they "Don't do company credit cards" and I have to claim it back on expenses. Pretty sure asking for money for shoes and a suit will go down like a sack of sh!t. :grin:
Nick
That sucks a hairy one, do you have a company phone or do you have to front the bills there?
Nothing worse than laying out for your job and losing out on the payback through interest and charges.
I have a Barclay card and use a travel agent to book my flights etc, this way they can be paid by PO at the end of the month, we get good discounts on flights and hotels so its a false economy to make employee's front with there own money under the guise that you will keep the costs down.
Get a good suit, keep your head down and find a better job with some perks :smiley:
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I love my job and £5.5K car allowance is a good enough perk for me. I've got a company phone, 8% pension and Bupa as well, so perks are good. The others in my team just have a credit card they use just for work stuff which is what I will have to do but I'm writing an email to the finance girl to say that as we expand outside of the UK, those of us that are required to visit site must have company cards. I had one in my old job and it made everyones life easier.
Nick
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I love my job and £5.5K car allowance is a good enough perk for me. I've got a company phone, 8% pension and Bupa as well, so perks are good. The others in my team just have a credit card they use just for work stuff which is what I will have to do but I'm writing an email to the finance girl to say that as we expand outside of the UK, those of us that are required to visit site must have company cards. I had one in my old job and it made everyones life easier.
Nick
Just need that card then to complete the package, it really does make life easier for all concerned.
I have to do a bit of "entertaining" with customers so it gets abused most trips.
I try to look smarter than the directors, so funny when people think you are the boss because you look the part :grin: even weirder when you go out on the town or the hotel bar in a Salad fingers t shirt :laugh:
Reckon your boss is just a bit insecure but he is right about brown shoes :wink:
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+1 on the brown shoes ya pikey :evil:
Makes me appreciate how much i love my trade.The most entertaining i have to do is taking the German/Dutch comissioning engineers for a few pints after the project has finished and point them in the direction of the nearest titty bar :grin: (Btw i NEVER go in with them........usually) :evil:
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Supermarket suits - sweeping offensive personal comment!
HHHHHHHHHH ARREEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
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How is the tax worked out on the reimbursement for costs? Hope it's not taxed at pay otherwise that's x2 tax paid. :undecided:
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I hate black shoes! Not worn black shoes for work since the 70's.
I always wear brown
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I wouldn't hold out for getting a company credit card, i'd see if you can get one yourself.
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I'd ask if he is going to pay for a new suit and shoes!
Don't go there Len. I've just had to pay for £300 of flights and £600 of hotel out of my savings because they "Don't do company credit cards" and I have to claim it back on expenses. Pretty sure asking for money for shoes and a suit will go down like a sack of sh!t. :grin:
Nick
I wouldn't be going to work if my company expected me to do that. If they need me somewhere, they can pay for the flights and accommodation to allow me to work there by what ever means possible.
Essentially what they are getting from you is 0% finance as I assume they would pay it back at the end of the month.
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Dress for the job you want not the job you have.
My Career took off when I chopped my hippie locks and stopped looking deviant on the outside, also stopped getting tugged by the old bill :grin:
Its good blending into the crowd, I look like any other suit in a long Kashmir coat and case but my mind is just as it was years ago but without the need to advertise my leanings or political direction.
I think it is more subversive than having skanky dreads and a f**k the government T shirt :wink:
As you get older, you realise that people can be individial without looking like someone from the Mos Eisley Cantina.
(http://www.cafalawblog.com/uploads/image/cantina_denizens_2.jpg)
:smiley:
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That's me on the Bassoon
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kvv2xccTSqE/TwBSRTLf1CI/AAAAAAAACVA/AEssbhRQW60/s800/Have%2BA%2BShave.jpg)
:grin: :grin:
Thom
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He's on his way there - spending the weekends at our workshop around us tattooed scruffy v8 poprod building fiends.
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The goatee thing will only escalate. Not quite a goatee but you see what'll happen..
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/02/article-1197051-058F6E4D000005DC-117_468x344.jpg)
to
(http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/images/medium/jan-june08/saddam_lg_3-19.jpg)
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kvv2xccTSqE/TwBSRTLf1CI/AAAAAAAACVA/AEssbhRQW60/s800/Have%2BA%2BShave.jpg)
:grin: :grin:
Thom
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Might have to print that off and stick it on my desk! :grin:
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(http://top-people.starmedia.com/tmp/swotti/cacheCM9TYW4GYWJYYW1VDMLJAA==UGVVCGXLLVBLB3BSZQ==/imgRoman%20Abramovich1.jpg)
Catch my drift?
lol. Anyone else think he looks remarkably similar to Wayne Slob (in a suit) from Harry Enfield and Chums?!
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Well I got my hair cut on Saturday and wore black shoes to work today. Firs thing he says to me is "Looking very smart today." Still got the goatie though. :cool:
Nick
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Well I got my hair cut on Saturday and wore black shoes to work today. Firs thing he says to me is "Looking very smart today." Still got the goatie though. :cool:
Nick
Boom, that way you kept your individuality but still brown nosed enough to get in his good books! :grin:
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Well I got my hair cut on Saturday and wore black shoes to work today. Firs thing he says to me is "Looking very smart today." Still got the goatie though. :cool:
Nick
Boom, that way you kept your individuality but still brown nosed enough to get in his good books! :grin:
doesn't take much and he could see that you'd made an effort so you've got brownie points there mate... i'd say that was a win! :grin:
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The fact he said something is class. Well played Nick :afro:
Although ffs, you look fine in that first photo, sounds like he was trying to be a boss (which you cant really blame him for too much? Im not sure). Everyday I'm in front of clients (who work for a very large auditing company so you can imagine how pompous they are) and have managed to pull off always wearing a stubble.
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Bet you wouldn't pull off the volksfest look :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
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:grin:
It can work the other way.
I was going to a meeting at Sainsbury's Head Office in Holburn with the Chief Executive of a client I was doing some consultancy work for. Since my ATC days I've always had immaculate shiny polished shoes.
As we sat there in the lobby waiting, I couldn't help notice his plain black unpolished shoes, and he mine.
When he flew in from Ireland later that week for a meeting, I couldn't help but notice his new shiny black shoes.
Better to set the standard Nick, than have to follow it.
:wink:
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I always had an issue where if I didn't dress formal for meetings no one took me seriously!
I look quite young for my age and it was always a shock for people to actually find out my age!
So to compensate I dressed in the sharpest suits and imaculate shoes I could muster!
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Since my ATC days I've always had immaculate shiny polished shoes.
Haha, you said that out loud.
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Since my ATC days I've always had immaculate shiny polished shoes.
Haha, you said that out loud.
Never underestimate the power of shiny shoes.
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Since my ATC days I've always had immaculate shiny polished shoes.
Haha, you said that out loud.
Never underestimate the power of shiny shoes.
Show us these shinny shoes! :tongue:
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:shocked:
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Since my ATC days I've always had immaculate shiny polished shoes.
Haha, you said that out loud.
Never underestimate the power of shiny shoes.
Show us these shinny shoes! :tongue:
Clam down jay. You'll be wanting to see me naked next!
Let me get the Parade Gloss out and give them a quick buff.
:grin:
Pics tomorrow.
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Bet you wouldn't pull off the volksfest look :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
:grin: :grin:
I hate that facial hair is banned in my workplace (at all levels and not gender specific). Getting up at 5am realising you forgot to shave the night before is full of fail.
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Can't be arsed to read 11 pages about your face fuzz or whatever I think you look smart there, smarter than the scruffy herd of blokes I work with! Can't see what the issue is?
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Since my ATC days I've always had immaculate shiny polished shoes.
Haha, you said that out loud.
Never underestimate the power of shiny shoes.
Very true.... it's surprising how many people will comment on poor shoe maintenance at my place of work.
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I hate that facial hair is banned in my workplace (at all levels and not gender specific). Getting up at 5am realising you forgot to shave the night before is full of fail.
Why not just shave in the morning only takes 5 mins lol
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Sounds like your work is lead by military men! Bull your shoes!, cut you hair!, have a shave!, next it will be ''why isn't the crease down the front of your trousers sharp! And why does it look like you've ironed your shirt with a brick! :rolleyes: