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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: andykram on 08 February 2012, 16:37
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I don't care what people say but I think that's a seriously nice car. Maybe not in yellow but smart nevertheless.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/259868/
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Okay that's a nice looking motor.
But not too sure on the rear wing?
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Hmmm, something to aspire to when you are 20, but would look a tw@ in when you were over 25.
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Not sure.... :rolleyes:
I once had a vauxhall and I lost a load of money when it came time to trade it in....
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I like Vauxhall but that looks a lot like a flatened corsa!
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Looks good I reckon, and the 'extra' spolier is an option.
Only thing that lest it down as we all say is residuals, especially if its near £26k new.
Tempted though....
But VW need to take note, next GTi must have good standard equipment, looks and stance to befit a GTi....
Competition is moving on.
Dave
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I think it will steal sales cos the comparable Mk 7 will no doubt be dearer, 30/40 bhp down on power, come on 18s at best (and possibly even 17s) etc etc.
You can only trade on name and supposed reputation for so long until people just have enough. I'm 44 and would happily drive that VXR so I don't buy into this anti Vauxhall VW snobbery. I liked the previous VXR but bought the Mk6 over it cos I thought it was a better day to day car than the Vauxhall. Next time (assuming I can afford any of them anyway) I will test drive both and probably the Focus and make a decision based on all factors. At the prices we are now looking at, value for money will be an important factor.
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Takes the challange to the R range nevermind the GTI for a fraction of the cost.
Again like I told you guys before the GTI is going to be marketed against the ST fiesta and corsa's etc.. in terms of power
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Hmm not that keen - looks pretty similar to the Honda Type R.
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Errrrm no way. BTW Ive sat in a new astra top of the range elite which will near enough be the same interior, absolute mess, creaky plastic everywhere and at least 3 classes down from VW.
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I don't think VW need to wory about Vauxhall.......
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I don't think VW need to wory about Vauxhall.......
I agree but VW do need to worry about the Focus ST.....
Jim
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I had Vauxhall's and Opel's for years until I could buy into the VAG brand and I have not looked back since. I like the look of the car and the promise of power and spec look very tempting.
I have to hire cars on business a lot so regularly drive the competition and I don't think there is a really bad car now in this segment but I do feel that they don't offer the same quality feel and complete package. There is plenty of choice which is cheaper and it does show so I am happy to drive a VW. Plus don't forget 'GTI' is a legend. Golf GTI's have always been behind the competition on absolute numbers but there is no car in this segment that does everything so well. Therefore I will stick with my GTI :smiley:
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Definitely not keen on that. Looks far too over-styled.
I would feel embarrassed driving that actually.
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I've had another look at it. I really liked the previous/current VXR model. I thought the styling on it was fantastic and overall I thought it presented a much better package than some of it's rivals.
This new VXR however really does look daft though. The big oversized exhausts at the back - I bet they aren't even proper exhausts and are instead these silver look plastic surrounds that so many cars seem to come with now.
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That is boke central! :sick: Way over styled as per usual on the VXR's!
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I think people are missing the point
Its a Hot Hatch and looks like one. VW and Audi will always make the more subtle hot hatches but this will appeal to plenty of people
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the new clio sport will be out late 2012/early 2013.
thats will be THE hot hatch. no arguments. Renault have always known how to make them best hot FWD cars.
if only they got their customer service/dealer network under control i would consider one. i looked at the megane 250 but couldn't justify the cost knowing in 12 months it would half its value, which is why i bought the GTI.
i think the focus ST will be a massive hit and the biggest rival for any 'hot hatch' manufacturer.
for the best all rounder though the GTI will still be king but for value the ford and for substance and ability the renault. the vauxhall will be sitting in a cloud of tyre and clutch smoke.
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The GTI isnt really competion for all the other hot hatches like the VXR, Megane Sport and Focus RS etc, surely its the R thats in competion with them? thats like putting the Focus ST up against the Golf R instead of the Focus RS?
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(http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss160/cccc32/vxr.jpg)
I think they have styled it on this.
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people keep saying the golf gti is meant to be pitched against the fiesta etc
surely thats the polo gti's market
the R is pitched against the likes of subaru, RS etc. more specialist performance cars.
the gti is IMO definitely pitched against the ST and VXR etc. all FWD, turbocharged 2 litre 'all rounders'. just because its not in the same BHP bracket doesn't mean they don't compete for the same customers.
the only difference is VW has gone for a hot hatch for everyone which does everything - thats always been the GTI selling point. others have come and gone, been faster or whatever but the GTI remains and is still the most desirable hot hatch. they have got the recipe right.
where as the VXR is for people who don't really know about cars but want big figures with no substance.
the renault is THE drivers car with huge performance and features for its price but without the build quality, after sales and customer service/care and reliability always let renaults down. I absolutely love hot renaults but its a shame they let themselves down at the final fence. they have an amazing product but bollox it up with crap dealerships and poor build.
the focus ST is the one which will take sales from the gti. ford really have moved the game on with build quality. our 4 year old focus rattles less than my 2800 mile old GTI. its going be be pretty, well build, more powerful and excellent value.
I'm sure ford are the only manufacture giving the VW boffins sleepless nights.
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(http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss160/cccc32/vxr.jpg)
I think they have styled it on this.
i used to have a primera GT 500LE and it was an awesome car!
didn't have that spoiler on though but i wish it had :laugh:
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I think Ford should rebrand the ST to RS. There used to be more than 1 RS model out at the same time, so im sure a top of the range Focus RS could exst besides a lower power RS and do wonders for desirability and residuals.
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I don't care what people say but I think that's a seriously nice car. Maybe not in yellow but smart nevertheless.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/259868/
I've nothing against Vauxhall tbo and the latest Astra's is a really nice shape and more grown up then there previous models.
However their sports models as far as I'm aware are only manual and I need something compariable to DSG to prize me away from VAG.
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Badge snobbery means nothing to me personally but reliability and values after three years certainly dose.
Have had a few Astra's as hire cars which seem to creek a lot.
I'm waiting for the mark 7 GTI which you know is going to be far better than the current GTI which is the best car I have driven in 35 years of motoring. The Golf is just so practical and understated not in your face though some my like that.
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I don't care what people say but I think that's a seriously nice car. Maybe not in yellow but smart nevertheless.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/259868/
However their sports models as far as I'm aware are only manual and I need something compariable to DSG to price me away from the VAG.
That is one 100% correct for me and ive only had the GTI 2 weeks.
ANYONE that is commited to auto's, only REARLY has this choice, and what a good choice it is too :wink:
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My wife is also a terrible manual box driver and much safer in a auto (no offence to any ladies on here, but true) :rolleyes: :wink:
I want her to drive / enjoy the GTI aswell and feel much better nowing she has both hands on the wheel :grin:
cheers
potts
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I don't care what people say but I think that's a seriously nice car. Maybe not in yellow but smart nevertheless.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/259868/
However their sports models as far as I'm aware are only manual and I need something compariable to DSG to price me away from the VAG.
That is one 100% correct for me and ive only had the GTI 2 weeks.
ANYONE that is commited to auto's, only REARLY has this choice, and what a good choice it is too :wink:
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My wife is also a terrible manual box driver and much safer in a auto (no offence to any ladies on here, but true) :rolleyes: :wink:
I want her to drive / enjoy the GTI aswell and feel much better nowing she has both hands on the wheel :grin:
cheers
potts
I’ve been driving golfs with DSG for now 5 years now, so when I jump in my wife’s manual car I drive like a complete numpty through the gears.
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However their sports models as far as I'm aware are only manual and I need something compariable to DSG to prize me away from VAG.
Hit the nail on the head....if Vauxhall did a auto(and a good one) in the VXR range I'm sure it wud appeal to a bigger market.
I for one like the VXR but find they've shot themselves in the foot by not offering auto or 5drs...
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However their sports models as far as I'm aware are only manual and I need something compariable to DSG to prize me away from VAG.
Hit the nail on the head....if Vauxhall did a auto(and a good one) in the VXR range I'm sure it wud appeal to a bigger market.
I for one like the VXR but find they've shot themselves in the foot by not offering auto or 5drs...
You can't get a Seat Cupra R with DSG also which has always bugged me!
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cos SEAT are VAG;s 'young and sporty' brand so no need for DSG for their customers :rolleyes:
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cos SEAT are VAG;s 'young and sporty' brand so no need for DSG for their customers :rolleyes:
But I'm 38.... which is sort of young and I'm nearing a mid life crisis :smiley:
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Just to add into the mix, there is also the new Seat Leon Cupra to come which may get a DSG option.
But I'd agree with some of the comments on here, the Focus is the current closest rival to the GTI. The power output of the cars will be very similar (with the Ford slightly ahead) and since Ford has lost the 2.5 lump there will no longer be the running costs argument to counter the extra power.
Also the styling of the two cars will be quite similar in that Ford has not quite gone hot hatch crazy like Vauxhall has.
What it will come down to will be the badge. I'm not a badge snob but I prefer the way Volkswagen does things to Ford. I also prefer the feel of Volkswagen - it just feels better quality.
And then there's the DSG, which for me is crucial. I wouldn't go back to a manual car now.
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cos SEAT are VAG;s 'young and sporty' brand so no need for DSG for their customers :rolleyes:
But I'm 38.... which is sort of young and I'm nearing a mid life crisis :smiley:
Time to satisfy the need for a car you always wanted when you were 17 then. For me it was a Mk2 GTI 16V, however if you longed for an Astra GTE back then, you'll be struggling.
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cos SEAT are VAG;s 'young and sporty' brand so no need for DSG for their customers :rolleyes:
But I'm 38.... which is sort of young and I'm nearing a mid life crisis :smiley:
Time to satisfy the need for a car you always wanted when you were 17 then. For me it was a Mk2 GTI 16V, however if you longed for an Astra GTE back then, you'll be struggling.
My x nextdoor neighbour has a perfectly restored Mk1 golf GTi sitting in his garage. He spent a small fortune restoring it. Its absolutaly mint. I only saw him drive the car a few times as he came to the conclussion that he didn't actually enjoy driving it compared to his daily car (an Audi S3). His split up with his Mrs now and the car is gathering dust. I'm just waiting for the right time to ask him how much he wants for it. I'm not sure what they are worth?
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I hardly ever drive my Mk2. It's all too easy just to jump into one of the other cars and leave the Golf gleaming under its cover in the garage.
What your neighbours Mk1 is worth depends on what someone is prepared to pay for it. If you look on Pistonheads, you'll see a massive variation in prices of cars for sale, but based on the fact that you know the car, I'd be prepared to pay up to £5k for it. You may find cars that are cheaper for sale, but they will be an unknown quantity and could need £1000's spending on them to get them to an acceptable level.
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Just to add into the mix, there is also the new Seat Leon Cupra to come which may get a DSG option.
But I'd agree with some of the comments on here, the Focus is the current closest rival to the GTI. The power output of the cars will be very similar (with the Ford slightly ahead) and since Ford has lost the 2.5 lump there will no longer be the running costs argument to counter the extra power.
Also the styling of the two cars will be quite similar in that Ford has not quite gone hot hatch crazy like Vauxhall has.
What it will come down to will be the badge. I'm not a badge snob but I prefer the way Volkswagen does things to Ford. I also prefer the feel of Volkswagen - it just feels better quality.
And then there's the DSG, which for me is crucial. I wouldn't go back to a manual car now.
If the new Seat Cupra looks something like this and comes with DSG I'd be tempted to buy one! :smiley:
(http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab242/WITHCOMBEM/New_Seat_Leon_rendering.jpg)
(http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab242/WITHCOMBEM/seatleon2.jpg)
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Looks good....
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Ooooooo, I like that Leon.
Much better than the uncohesive mess that is the current one.
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cos SEAT are VAG;s 'young and sporty' brand so no need for DSG for their customers :rolleyes:
But I'm 38.... which is sort of young and I'm nearing a mid life crisis :smiley:
Time to satisfy the need for a car you always wanted when you were 17 then. For me it was a Mk2 GTI 16V, however if you longed for an Astra GTE back then, you'll be struggling.
My x nextdoor neighbour has a perfectly restored Mk1 golf GTi sitting in his garage. He spent a small fortune restoring it. Its absolutaly mint. I only saw him drive the car a few times as he came to the conclussion that he didn't actually enjoy driving it compared to his daily car (an Audi S3). His split up with his Mrs now and the car is gathering dust. I'm just waiting for the right time to ask him how much he wants for it. I'm not sure what they are worth?
Martin, you do realise you'd have to slum it with a manual gearbox if you got a mk1!!
PM Snoopy, he'd tell you what it's worth. Sold my low mileage mk1 for £3.5k back in 1991 or 92 and I don't think that's a current guide value...
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Do a search on Google for mk1 owners club lots of info on value there also.check the mk1 forum here
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Just knock on his door and ask him how much he wants (within reason) for the Mk1 and get it before he realises what a gold mine he's sat on. My Mk2 16v goes in next week to put the suspension back to standard and get rid of those ridiculous Koni dampers and springs that it came with. I can't wait as it'll be fantastic when that and a couple of other little jobs have been done. Mine only gets driven in the dry but it's great fun and it gets so many admiring glances and comments - far more than the Mk6.
By the way, on the subject of reliability, I've been driving 20 years and have only ever owned Vauxhalls, VWs and Saabs. I've had several of all three makes and the Vauxhalls have definitely been more reliable than the VWs. Having said that, my unreliable VWs were crappy diesel Mk4 GT TDis. If I don't include them both makes have been pretty similar to be fair. VWs feel nicer inside but the Vauxhalls haven't rattled or creaked any more. Vauxhall showrooms are tatty and drab so I don't think that helps them if they want to get rid of their run of the mill image. Conversely I've generally found Vauxhall salesmen not as far up their a*** as VW salesmen - the latter can be so patronising sometimes it's unbelievable.
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And also to be fair the Mk6 is now 2 1/2 years old and other than the silly alarm issue has been faultless.
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Look at the state of this, the new Focus ST interior, give me a Gti anyday, i'd much prefer to sit in a Gti with 230 bhp and 100kg lighter than have to look at this mess. In fact im not far off that with my ed35, id rather keep the ed35 that than get a new ST.
(http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss160/cccc32/st.jpg)
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:sick:
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The centre console looks a mess, too busy and over styled.
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:sick:
^+1 for Focus ST interior :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: Couldn't live with that mess, in spite of how good a driver's car it might be.
GTI (and GTD), or any mk6 interior on the other hand; :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
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That's a bit of a shame but, it doesn't really surprise me after sitting in the current Fiesta. Ford's cars are pretty good looking on the outside just now I reckon (although the ST doesn't do it for me - the standard Focus is nicer). The current Focus is nicer inside. :sad:
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We went to look at a new kuga and focus today and the interior on both is much better made than the golf
The new ST is going to be a brilliant car.
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Yea the interior is a real mess, just seems to be thrown together,
Along with the orange seats shown earlier don't see anything to tempt me away from my current GTI never mind the MK7.
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We went to look at a new kuga and focus today and the interior on both is much better made than the golf
I suppose this is the wrong time also to moan about the creaking from both the Mk6's doors as the car flexes over bumps. By contrast, I can't hear a single creak or rattle from my mate's 10 plate Mondeo with 45k on the clock when he takes me out in that. Mine's only done 25k!!!!
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Don't know how I've managed to get my comment in the quote box. Operator error I'm afraid!!!!!!!!
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We went to look at a new kuga and focus today and the interior on both is much better made than the golf
I suppose this is the wrong time also to moan about the creaking from both the Mk6's doors as the car flexes over bumps. By contrast, I can't hear a single creak or rattle from my mate's 10 plate Mondeo with 45k on the clock when he takes me out in that. Mine's only done 25k!!!!
Yep my October 2011 gti interior has rattles and buzzes. The reason I came away from renaultsport was the rattles and creaks and the golf isn't much better but It cost 2x more and it's no where near as much fun
Our 4 year old never garaged daily driver focus zetec, which is always full of dogs and baby's doesn't have a single rattle.
There's no Doubt in my mind ford are better built
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I'll no doubt get slated for saying this but I think people are swayed by the showroom attractiveness of German cars. Sat in them in the showroom they feel special and quality so people want them. My experience has been between VW and Vauxhall and Ken's is between VW and Ford and we're both saying the same thing - in reality, several years after that showroom experience, VWs are no better than average. The last AA man I spoke to said he goes to loads of VWs, Audis, BMWs and Mercedes breakdowns - maybe it's the complexity of them now?
You should also try looking at the Car by Car Review on Honest John's website. The "What's Bad" section of Mk4 onward Golfs is a pretty depressing (and long) list!!!
Why, I hear you ask, do you therefore continue to buy VWs andykram? The simple answer is that I'm a private buyer and German cars' resale is better. Why? Because, despite all the cars' problems, they have more prestige in our class ridden country so people aspire to them more and are, therefore, prepared to pay more for them.
I do genuinely love both my Golfs. I also love the VW scene and the shows I go to. However, I'm not so blinkered to think they're any better built or more reliable than Fords and Vauxhalls. They're not.
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When the ST comes out I'm going to make my own mind up and take it for a test drive. I'd be shocked if my MK6 is much better quality inside. I agree the ST looks a bit fussy inside but only something a test drive can fix.
I can't help thinking about the Mountune version when it's available, 300 horses with full warranty backing!!
Jim
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Must admit to be disapointed in the long term durability of some of the materials used on the mk6 (seat material for example, both leather and cloth) and also some of the mechanical aspects and engineering finish. It's built to compete with Ford etc and due to expensive vw labour rates they cut corners to compete and it shows.
That's not to say it has not been like that for a while at vw as it has sadly.
It's all about accountants with vw not engineers. Make it look pritty and feel nice and you can fool the.dumb paper shuffling public
My 7 year old Leon does not rattle either and been faultless all these years except for one single issue(just changed temp sensor) and from an.engineering point is far superior finished.than uthe 2 year old rattling fault aquiring mk6 golf I have.
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When the ST comes out I'm going to make my own mind up and take it for a test drive. I'd be shocked if my MK6 is much better quality inside. I agree the ST looks a bit fussy inside but only something a test drive can fix.
I can't help thinking about the Mountune version when it's available, 300 horses with full warranty backing!!
Jim
I must admit the ST's have grown on me a lot. I'm sure the new version will rival the Mk6/7 GTI's on most aspects, however as they will only be available with manual gearboxes I wouldn't be interested in buying one. I know this is a boring old argument for not buying one but the car simply wouldn't meet my needs for this reason. I’m sure there are plenty of other DSG VAG drivers who would not consider one for the same reason.
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When the ST comes out I'm going to make my own mind up and take it for a test drive. I'd be shocked if my MK6 is much better quality inside. I agree the ST looks a bit fussy inside but only something a test drive can fix.
I can't help thinking about the Mountune version when it's available, 300 horses with full warranty backing!!
If it's power you are after, wait and get the new RS when it comes.
I currently feel that the Mk6 is better quality than the new Focus. The materials in the Focus don't feel as good as those in the Golf and, to be perfectly honest, the Golf is actually more comfortable inside than the Focus for me. Perhaps it's just down to the proportions but everything in the Golf seems to fit around me nicely. The armrest is set at the right height, the seats are just the right size - it's little things like this that nudge the Golf ahead for me.
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I think the new RS will be a long time coming, they will never make a 5 door Focus RS and as theres no plans for a 3 door RS we may never see one.
I won't be getting a MK7 and I want my GTI gone at least 6 months to a year before the MK7 is out so I will be getting a replacement to my MK6 in the next year.
Jim
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oh yes :laugh
4 yr service, finanace and warranty deal is excellent too.
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/279043/renault_announces_megane_265_pricing.html
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I'll give it 20 minutes before all the badge snobs come along to scoff!!!
I parked recently next to one of these and thought it was a stunning looking thing. Other than that, I can't comment with any authority never having owned a Renault. However, if they have the confidence to offer a 4 yr 100 000 mile warranty, why can't VW? (and yes, that was a rhetorical question cos I do know the answer)
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I think its a nice looking car and then i looked inside.
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I'll give it 20 minutes before all the badge snobs come along to scoff!!!
I parked recently next to one of these and thought it was a stunning looking thing. Other than that, I can't comment with any authority never having owned a Renault. However, if they have the confidence to offer a 4 yr 100 000 mile warranty, why can't VW? (and yes, that was a rhetorical question cos I do know the answer)
well i know form experience that the 4 year warranty will be getting well used!
Thing is with RS you know what your getting and i don't think they try to be what they're not. they're just great drivers cars first and foremost. i bought a VW cos i wanted to keep it for years and thought it would age and last better but even though i love it, i don't think its much better built really and it isn't a patch on an RS to drive.
i would consider a mk7 in a couple of years but if its not a massive improvement i will go back to RenaultSport or ford if the ST or new RS is any good as they're much better value and more fun imo.
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Badge snob driving a VW are you joking, I really can’t see where the snob bit comes from. Some of you have bought into marketing LOL
I have driven VW’s for the best part of 30 years and have yet to suffer a large bill or be stuck from driving.
When the last Honda Civic came out I quite fancied one so took it out for a test drive what shocked me was the road roar inside the cabin it was really loud. I could not live with that.
French cars are always at the bottom for reliability in ‘WHICH’ Then you have the huge deprecation at resale time.
Fords are fine cars just lack that special feeling. I drove a Focus down from the top of Scotland to me it felt cheap, the gear box felt light and insecure.
Liked the new Astra it felt nice but resale value after three years is horrendous.
Audis are well over priced.
BMW and Mercs, I’m put off with rear wheel drive, living in Scotland the roads can be wet and slippery while snow can be a problem in winter.
Ultimately as a middle of the road working class car the golf stay’s tighter for longer. Think how many miles it took your MPG to even out. As a private motorist the Golf is everything I ever need in a car then after three years I get a good price back.
Fully understand those who crave something different and jump from marquee to marquee its all part of the fun of driving. I done it in my younger day’s until I found the right marquee for me. VW
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IMO VW have forgotten who and what they are, the GTI, the ED35 and R and too expensive for what they are. The R is more than the S3 FFS.
They are pricing themselves too high and I will not be buying a MK7 new for sure, I may get an ex-Demo but not before I jump to another manufacurer.
Jim
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IF people buy em what is VW doing wrong :huh:
branding / restricting supply gives them a win, ffs APPLE are the biggest culprits
but we all keep goin back..........!!
It will only change when the customer does continually walk the other way.
There argument will always be, whats the re-sale like for you sir, did the overall
ownership cost end up less than that of the Renault or Vauxhall ?
You may then have a different opinion on all this then :lipsrsealed:
potts
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Yes, I do think 38K for a golf R is silly tho :rolleyes: :grin:
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Depreciate is simple though "If you want to lose the least cash over three years, you need to start with a low list price in the first place" *Quote WhatCar.com
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Depreciate is simple though "If you want to lose the least cash over three years, you need to start with a low list price in the first place" *Quote WhatCar.com
yes, thats obvious but i do not see any relevance to what I said ?
IN ITS CLASS we are talking about :wink:
if you thinks the VW's Renault / vauxhall / ford equivalent is worth it then go for it :smiley:
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IMO VW have forgotten who and what they are, the GTI, the ED35 and R and too expensive for what they are. The R is more than the S3 FFS.
They are pricing themselves too high and I will not be buying a MK7 new for sure, I may get an ex-Demo but not before I jump to another manufacurer.
Jim
VW group is biggest motor manufacture in the world now for good reason.
The new Polo R is coming soon 210 bhp and it’s bigger than a mark 2 golf. I’m only pointing out there is a car for all budgets. VW as a group have it all pretty well covered. You can buy a Seat Leon for GTI money with the same engine as the Golf R.
At top of the range Civic 2.2 diesel is £24,000. Almost the same price as a seat Leon with the Golf R engine 19’ alloys and leather. It’s not for me but if your looking for value plus quality it’s hard to knock
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I've always thought the new Megane is a looker. Especially in red with the gloss black front and wheels. Looks wise, it's a big thumbs up from me. What gets a thumbs down for me though is the lack of a DSG equivilant box (not everybody's cup of tea I realise), slightly impeded practicality due to the looks, and the resale value. Also, RenaultSport vehicles have a reputation of being the best drivers/track car, and that's great, but it's not quite what I want from a car.
Depreciate is simple though "If you want to lose the least cash over three years, you need to start with a low list price in the first place" *Quote WhatCar.com
yes, thats obvious but i do not see any relevance to what I said ?
IN ITS CLASS we are talking about :wink:
if you thinks the VW's Renault / vauxhall / ford equivalent is worth it then go for it :smiley:
As for this whole debate, yes a more expensive car is likely to lose more money, but that's most demonstrated when comparing a Ferrari and a Fiesta which, even if the Ferrari retains a better percentage (say 60% compared to the Fiesta's 50%), the Ferrari has still lost the most cash. But when you're comparing two hot hatches, both £26-27k depending on options, the rule becomes less definite.
But more importantly, Jimmymature maybe you'd be better over here http://www.focusstoc.com/forums/, because you don't seem to be too happy over here.
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But more importantly, Jimmymature maybe you'd be better over here http://www.focusstoc.com/forums/, because you don't seem to be too happy over here.
LMFAO, shame on me to voice an opinion that VW is over priced and not good quality. I must be banished......
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I've always thought the new Megane is a looker. Especially in red with the gloss black front and wheels. Looks wise, it's a big thumbs up from me. What gets a thumbs down for me though is the lack of a DSG equivilant box (not everybody's cup of tea I realise), slightly impeded practicality due to the looks, and the resale value. Also, RenaultSport vehicles have a reputation of being the best drivers/track car, and that's great, but it's not quite what I want from a car.
Depreciate is simple though "If you want to lose the least cash over three years, you need to start with a low list price in the first place" *Quote WhatCar.com
yes, thats obvious but i do not see any relevance to what I said ?
IN ITS CLASS we are talking about :wink:
if you thinks the VW's Renault / vauxhall / ford equivalent is worth it then go for it :smiley:
As for this whole debate, yes a more expensive car is likely to lose more money, but that's most demonstrated when comparing a Ferrari and a Fiesta which, even if the Ferrari retains a better percentage (say 60% compared to the Fiesta's 50%), the Ferrari has still lost the most cash. But when you're comparing two hot hatches, both £26-27k depending on options, the rule becomes less definite.
But more importantly, Jimmymature maybe you'd be better over here http://www.focusstoc.com/forums/, because you don't seem to be too happy over here.
this may come in handy too :wink:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Black-Hairy-Chest-Wig-70s-Stag-Costume-Fake-Hair-Biker-/110829350020?pt=UK_Clothing_Masks_JD&hash=item19cdf1ac84
actually dont get me wrong Jimmymature, I do respect its a forum and you should be able to post your thoughts but i cant help
but feel your always posting how good every other car is EXCEPT the one this forum is about, thats all...... No the GOLF is not
the best car in the world and yes it does have loads to dislike about it, but there is one very very very very very big thing to
LIKE and thats the way it delivers as a whole package :smiley: :cool:
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Spot on Pottinger. Though there are always those who are looking and are never happy because a new model comes out and they feel they must have it.
I read a recent road test on the brand new model Focus - Civic - BMW 1 - Astra to the equivalent older model golf.
The conclusion was the GOLF was the far supriour car it cost less and gave back more after three years. Winner
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actually dont get me wrong Jimmymature, I do respect its a forum and you should be able to post your thoughts but i cant help
but feel your always posting how good every other car is EXCEPT the one this forum is about, thats all...... No the GOLF is not
the best car in the world and yes it does have loads to dislike about it, but there is one very very very very very big thing to
LIKE and thats the way it delivers as a whole package :smiley: :cool:
I havent once posted that these cars are better than the GTI, show me one post! I bought a GTI after test drving many many cars and the GTI came out the best without a doubt. My only point is they are too expensive, it's as simple as that.
Jim
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Jim, you have got to consider what your going to get back on the other cars compared to the GTI. It’s swings and round abouts
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actually dont get me wrong Jimmymature, I do respect its a forum and you should be able to post your thoughts but i cant help
but feel your always posting how good every other car is EXCEPT the one this forum is about, thats all...... No the GOLF is not
the best car in the world and yes it does have loads to dislike about it, but there is one very very very very very big thing to
LIKE and thats the way it delivers as a whole package :smiley: :cool:
I havent once posted that these cars are better than the GTI, show me one post! I bought a GTI after test drving many many cars and the GTI came out the best without a doubt. My only point is they are too expensive, it's as simple as that.
Jim
Its not expensive if your enjoying it and it puts a massive smile on ya face mate :wink:
wives cost alot more and we dont moan abou :lipsrsealed:
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Badge snob driving a VW are you joking, I really can’t see where the snob bit comes from. Some of you have bought into marketing LOL
I have driven VW’s for the best part of 30 years and have yet to suffer a large bill or be stuck from driving.
When the last Honda Civic came out I quite fancied one so took it out for a test drive what shocked me was the road roar inside the cabin it was really loud. I could not live with that.
French cars are always at the bottom for reliability in ‘WHICH’ Then you have the huge deprecation at resale time.
Fords are fine cars just lack that special feeling. I drove a Focus down from the top of Scotland to me it felt cheap, the gear box felt light and insecure.
Liked the new Astra it felt nice but resale value after three years is horrendous.
Audis are well over priced.
BMW and Mercs, I’m put off with rear wheel drive, living in Scotland the roads can be wet and slippery while snow can be a problem in winter.
Ultimately as a middle of the road working class car the golf stay’s tighter for longer. Think how many miles it took your MPG to even out. As a private motorist the Golf is everything I ever need in a car then after three years I get a good price back.
Fully understand those who crave something different and jump from marquee to marquee its all part of the fun of driving. I done it in my younger day’s until I found the right marquee for me. VW
you think the ford gearbox feels light and insecure in comparison to the golf?
the GTI gearshift is a joke - it just flops around all over the place
i drove a neighbours 05 reg polo 1.4 and the gearbox feels identical to the gti. there is absolutely no excuse for it IMO.
don't get me wrong i love the car but things like build fit and finish, the gear change and brakes are 2nd devision at best.
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You should get your car checked out and if the dealer is giving you no joy get an AA report done.
The gear change and brakes on mine are as good as I would expect.
Living out on the wilds I get the chance to have fun driving often and the brakes have never made me worry in any way.
Have you tried a few emergency stops ?
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My car was bought brand new so no need to get it checked. I've driven a few golfs and they're all the same.
I hated the gear change from day 1. Within a week or two I fitted a S3 shifter arm and torque arm bushing which improved things.
The brakes are safe enough but lack feel and progression of a proper set up found on meganes and clios mini cooper s etc etc. On cars with good brakes the middle peddle is a pleasure to use but unfortunately on the golf it doesn't inspire confidence or feel particularly nice.
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I think it will steal sales cos the comparable Mk 7 will no doubt be dearer, 30/40 bhp down on power, come on 18s at best (and possibly even 17s) etc etc.
You can only trade on name and supposed reputation for so long until people just have enough. I'm 44 and would happily drive that VXR so I don't buy into this anti Vauxhall VW snobbery. I liked the previous VXR but bought the Mk6 over it cos I thought it was a better day to day car than the Vauxhall. Next time (assuming I can afford any of them anyway) I will test drive both and probably the Focus and make a decision based on all factors. At the prices we are now looking at, value for money will be an important factor.
oh Andy , you know the CS is the worst and they just fall to bits !! :shocked:
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My car was bought brand new so no need to get it checked. I've driven a few golfs and they're all the same.
I hated the gear change from day 1. Within a week or two I fitted a S3 shifter arm and torque arm bushing which improved things.
The brakes are safe enough but lack feel and progression of a proper set up found on meganes and clios mini cooper s etc etc. On cars with good brakes the middle peddle is a pleasure to use but unfortunately on the golf it doesn't inspire confidence or feel particularly nice.
Agree 100% on the brakes, they lack feel and are wooden. If I were keeping the GTI for longer I'd replace them for sure.
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I've opened a right can of worms here.
I must say I agree with both sides here. I've been critical of various aspects of Golf ownership but I have had 2 Mk2s, 1 Mk3, 2 Mk4s and a Mk6 so it's going to take a good all round package to make me go elsewhere. But I do fear for my time with VW and the Mk7. It's likely to be approaching £30k and that's simply too much for a Golf and I can't afford it anyway. As I've said before, that's the time when VW's bubble will burst cos people genuinely will stop buying them.
By the way my Mk2 comes home tomorrow after a suspension refit and other bits and bobs. I can't wait - this weekend looks like a trip into the Dales to chuck it around a few bends. Still a brilliant, brilliant car even with a measly 139bhp!!!
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My car was bought brand new so no need to get it checked. I've driven a few golfs and they're all the same.
I hated the gear change from day 1. Within a week or two I fitted a S3 shifter arm and torque arm bushing which improved things.
The brakes are safe enough but lack feel and progression of a proper set up found on meganes and clios mini cooper s etc etc. On cars with good brakes the middle peddle is a pleasure to use but unfortunately on the golf it doesn't inspire confidence or feel particularly nice.
Didn't this all show up on a test drive ? Don't see why you didn't buy the megane, Clio or cooper S instead or am I missing something ??? I wouldn't buy something I didnt like in the first place.
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I didn't say I didnt like it. I think overall it's a great package but people who think VW are built like tanks and are the last word in reliability are kidding themselves on.
I sold a Clio just before buying the golf and if I'm honest regret selling it. Should have kept it for trackdays.
The reason I didn't buy another clio or megane or my first choice of a focus RS is we needed a 5 door for our baby and my wife hated the ultimate green. Only new RS i could find left were ultimate green. so the golf was the best compromise and ingot a good deal
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Also the mini JCW was high up on my list but no dealers Within 100 miles even had a demo so I wasn't prepared to buy a car without driving one and again they're 3 door and too small for a push chair.
So I needed a 5door hot hatch so it doesn't leave much choice and the GTI is by far the best overall compromise like I said.
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First of all this is not a direct reply to Ken just to clear that up its just something i think in general.
Unlike others I don't look on the GTI as the last word in hothatch. SEAT take it one step up from the golf that's why there the sport brand and the cupra has more power, bigger brakes, and stiffer chassis and suspension. Its been that way for years now. When i was younger i bought the SEAT GTIs/Cupras as they were more focused than the VW GTIs but still good as a commuter mule. (less compromised than the Renault or PSA cars).
The GTI is not a hot hatch like a lot of the others its not a RS(rally sport) its more a sporty hatch thats more grant touring type, that's what the GTI always was from day one that's why cars like the mk2 escort RS2000, The Vauxhal chevette HS, Talbot Sunbeam Ti etc existed much more hard core and driver focused than the GTI ever was.
I would not buy a GTI if I had criteria some do on here (not singling anyone out here) but I often watch some of the mods done to GTIs on here and other forums and just think you have.the.wrong.car to start with but that's just my opinion after owning GTI's for over 22 years and some other more focused cars as well in that time. :lipsrsealed:
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I don't think Vw's have ever been that much more reliable than their rivals, sure all cars have always had their common flaults but pre mid 90's a cars biggest enemy was rust. 80's Vw's didn't rot like the rest, so with a better interior it helped make Vw top of its class and it still is imo.
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First of all this is not a direct reply to Ken just to clear that up its just something i think in general.
Unlike others I don't look on the GTI as the last word in hothatch. SEAT take it one step up from the golf that's why there the sport brand and the cupra has more power, bigger brakes, and stiffer chassis and suspension. Its been that way for years now. When i was younger i bought the SEAT GTIs/Cupras as they were more focused than the VW GTIs but still good as a commuter mule. (less compromised than the Renault or PSA cars).
The GTI is not a hot hatch like a lot of the others its not a RS(rally sport) its more a sporty hatch thats more grant touring type, that's what the GTI always was from day one that's why cars like the mk2 escort RS2000, The Vauxhal chevette HS, Talbot Sunbeam Ti etc existed much more hard core and driver focused than the GTI ever was.
I would not buy a GTI if I had criteria some do on here (not singling anyone out here) but I often watch some of the mods done to GTIs on here and other forums and just think you have.the.wrong.car to start with but that's just my opinion after owning GTI's for over 22 years and some other more focused cars as well in that time. :lipsrsealed:
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some self answering posts above me thinks, the amount of times you hear, the competition doesnt offer a 5 door, it doesnt offer an auto/DSG, there isnt a dealer within 100 miles etc etc...... I do not beleive the Golf is the best car ever, far from it, just offers a huge amount of pleasure without too much of a compromise.
potts
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Snoopy has it bang on good post.
On the subject of reliability of course anyone can end up with a ‘bad car’ unfortunately.
However it also comes down to how you look after your car and in the manner in which you drive. Take a look at Skoda which always seems to be at the top for reliability. Skoda use the same running gear as all VW group cars so ask yourself why it’s so reliable ?
Is it the way their owners drive their cars. Who knows?
Touch wood ( my head ) I have been lucky not to have had problems with VW in 30 years. Then again I don’t keep them longer than three years from new.
Was reading ‘Car Magazine’ who were doing a road test with the Scirocco R and Megane Cupa ( is that what it’s called ?) the tester got locked out the Renault with the engine running in the middle of the Welsh Mountain region . That is your worst nightmare come true.
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Megane Cup.
Or Seat Cupra.
But not Megane Cupa :grin:
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Renault cars are really naff inside with extremely cheap plastics.
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compare a 2006- clio to a 2006- polo and tell me which one is cheap inside.
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compare a 2006- clio to a 2006- polo and tell me which one is cheap inside.
Being as I know what a sh!temobile the Clio is, your answer is definitely the Clio there isn't a lot wrong with the Polo it is almost Golfesque so plastics are better than anything Renault chucks out just ask Hurdy.
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PMSL so golfesque means its top drawer? i can't believe how many people rave on about build quality, fit and finish and materials on VWs when they rattle, mark as easily and have gaps as bad or if not worse as any other manufacturer.
my 182 cup is the only brand new car i have bought which didn't rattle. and it was less than half £ of the GTI.
again I'm not slagging the GTI as i really love and enjoy my car but its not what the marketing and sales people would have you believe it is.
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PMSL so golfesque means its top drawer? i can't believe how many people rave on about build quality, fit and finish and materials on VWs when they rattle, mark as easily and have gaps as bad or if not worse as any other manufacturer.
my 182 cup is the only brand new car i have bought which didn't rattle. and it was less than half £ of the GTI.
again I'm not slagging the GTI as i really love and enjoy my car but its not what the marketing and sales people would have you believe it is.
Easy what you say here mate. Dare claim the GTI is anything other than perfect and you'll get shot down. I had the usual badge snobs attempt to shoot me down when I said that my ST sounded better than a GTI, modded easier, and didn't have any wind noise at 165 GPS verified leptons.
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PMSL so golfesque means its top drawer? i can't believe how many people rave on about build quality, fit and finish and materials on VWs when they rattle, mark as easily and have gaps as bad or if not worse as any other manufacturer.
my 182 cup is the only brand new car i have bought which didn't rattle. and it was less than half £ of the GTI.
again I'm not slagging the GTI as i really love and enjoy my car but its not what the marketing and sales people would have you believe it is.
Easy what you say here mate. Dare claim the GTI is anything other than perfect and you'll get shot down. I had the usual badge snobs attempt to shoot me down when I said that my ST sounded better than a GTI, modded easier, and didn't have any wind noise at 165 GPS verified leptons.
My car must have been built on a Friday. It’s just over 2 years old has 35,000 on the clock with no rattles no squeaks all body panels and interior finish is the normal high standard expected of a VW.
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PMSL so golfesque means its top drawer? i can't believe how many people rave on about build quality, fit and finish and materials on VWs when they rattle, mark as easily and have gaps as bad or if not worse as any other manufacturer.
my 182 cup is the only brand new car i have bought which didn't rattle. and it was less than half £ of the GTI.
again I'm not slagging the GTI as i really love and enjoy my car but its not what the marketing and sales people would have you believe it is.
Easy what you say here mate. Dare claim the GTI is anything other than perfect and you'll get shot down. I had the usual badge snobs attempt to shoot me down when I said that my ST sounded better than a GTI, modded easier, and didn't have any wind noise at 165 GPS verified leptons.
gman86, I think if you use the search function and read a few older posts you may come to a different conclusion.
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PMSL so golfesque means its top drawer? i can't believe how many people rave on about build quality, fit and finish and materials on VWs when they rattle, mark as easily and have gaps as bad or if not worse as any other manufacturer.
my 182 cup is the only brand new car i have bought which didn't rattle. and it was less than half £ of the GTI.
again I'm not slagging the GTI as i really love and enjoy my car but its not what the marketing and sales people would have you believe it is.
I am not saying the GTI is rattle free, what I am saying is that the interior plastics are better than in a Renault.
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and another spanner in the works - hough I'm not into map stuff
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/279214/subaru_brz_uk_specification_revealed.html
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and another spanner in the works - hough I'm not into map stuff
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/279214/subaru_brz_uk_specification_revealed.html
Looks great but the power seems very low for what looks like a normal sized car.
Jim
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its very light weight though but your right power does seem low and torque is abysmal. all the torque is high up the rev range too. sounds like a car thats going to love being thrashed though
subaru and toyota are bringing out stripped out, black bumper track day versions too!
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again I'm not slagging the GTI as i really love and enjoy my car but its not what the marketing and sales people would have you believe it is.
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I have to agree with this but ironically, we are all benefitting from VW's clever marketing cos of the resale. There's still enough idiots out there who believe the hype so they still pay top dollar for the cars. This is one of the reasons I still buy VWs. Unfortunately, one day the cat will get out of the bag that they're no better than anything else on the market and the resale will sink to everyone else's level.
Been in a colleague's new Polo today. She's had it 4 months. Nice car but it creaks and groans like my GTi and the plastics (other than the top of the dash) are all hard and cheap.
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Perhaps we all have different understandings of what cheap and quality are. I'm by no means a Golf or VW or GTI fanboy (in that I'm blinkered) but I will admit to being a VW, Golf and GTI fan.
Perhaps it's also down to the way we look after our cars but my GTI has really impressed with it's quality.
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A while away yet, and maybe not competition for the GTI, but hope the new S3 looks a good bit different to the standard...
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/279163/audi_a3_pictures_leaked.html
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Give it chrome mirrors and a different grill and you have an S3. :lipsrsealed:
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Doesn't look much different than the old A3, just different lights..
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and thats supposed to be a premium over VW?? :shocked:
Just incase anyone hasnt seen an A1... thats one right there!!
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and thats supposed to be a premium over VW?? :shocked:
Just incase anyone hasnt seen an A1... thats one right there!!
Agree, I like the look of it from all angles apart from the front as it looks far to much like the A1.
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Hold your mk7 orders :grin:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=25258
300+bhp RWD.... if only other manufacturers took part in this crazyness
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Hold your mk7 orders :grin:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=25258
300+bhp RWD.... if only other manufacturers took part in this crazyness
Performance :evil: Looks :sick:
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ed35 vs clio 200 raider in this months evo. mine just landed today so will be reading this tonight with a cuppa
Perhaps we all have different understandings of what cheap and quality are. I'm by no means a Golf or VW or GTI fanboy (in that I'm blinkered) but I will admit to being a VW, Golf and GTI fan.
Perhaps it's also down to the way we look after our cars but my GTI has really impressed with it's quality.
well my car is absolutely treated like a baby
never comes out in bad weather, never ever left in car parks, lifted every couple of weeks to wash underside, waxed and polished every month at least (which is a lot due to the little miles the car does and the weather it drives in), interior is cleaned and vacuumed before its even dirty, always warmed and cooled down properly like turbos should be - and mine still rattles...
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Hold your mk7 orders :grin:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=25258
300+bhp RWD.... if only other manufacturers took part in this crazyness
flying machine but £40.000 :shocked:
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See I stick snowboards and mountain bikes in the back of mine, haven't washed the oustide since November, polished it when I got it and drive it near enough every day regardless of weather.
It's a very versatile and well made car in my opinion.
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yeah i agree its versatile and quite well made (interior rattles, paint finish and panel gaps excluded) - but no more so than most other marques which some people just won't believe.
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yeah i agree its versatile and quite well made (interior rattles, paint finish and panel gaps excluded) - but no more so than most other marques which some people just won't believe.
Completely agree.
Jim
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Hold your mk7 orders :grin:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=25258
300+bhp RWD.... if only other manufacturers took part in this crazyness
flying machine but £40.000 :shocked:
seems to be golf R money.... without the rattles, panel gaps and shocking economy :lipsrsealed:
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Hold your mk7 orders :grin:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=25258
300+bhp RWD.... i :wink: :wink:f only other manufacturers took part in this crazyness
flying machine but £40.000 :shocked:
seems to be golf R money.... without the rattles, panel gaps and shocking economy :lipsrsealed:
R32 = shocking economy :wink:
I think we are getting this topic mixed up with the other topic 'SO which one irritates you' :smiley:
I have voted with my hard earned and VW get's my ££££ and so have the rest of us, therefore the competion may have niches but the GTI has the whole package. :smug:
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Shame the subaru version the brz is not available I'm 4wd with the 225 or 320 boxer engine.
They should have left the rwd versions for Toyota to make them different.
Would have quite liked the idea of one of them then.