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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: StephenEggo on 05 May 2005, 00:38
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I owned a Mk2 16v for a year before someone pulled out in front of me and wrote it off in March. Yesterday I bought a 8v as I found a 16v in the condition I wanted was hard to come by. I will admit straight off the 16v is faster but only if it is driven hard in the right gear! The 8v is an easier car to drive and it pulls very well from 2,500 rpm. This post is not for an argument but after owning the 2 I must say they are both fantastic cars and with my 8v being in mint condition I prefer it.
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you only prefer it cause you couldnt find a 16v in the same condition :wink:
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Heh heh it's all gonna start, it's unavoidable!!!
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Here we go again! :cry:
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I wanted a 16v in oak green like the one I had.Pictures Below on link.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/Eggono1/d9faeb55.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/Eggono1/78657348.jpg
My second choice was a 16v in metallic black but when an 8v came up 25miles from my house in mint condition i couldn't turn it down. See I stay north of the border and many of the good examples of the mk2 Gti are in England. I will be posting pictures of my new one when it stops Raining!!
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See I stay north of the border and many of the good examples of the mk2 Gti are in England.
tell me about it, There's none in N.Ireland either, id to go to the Isle of Man for mine!!
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ere we go again.....
I personally bought an 8v because it was to be an daily driver (in traffic and towns too) and because it was close to me and minty.
There are advantages and disadvantages to both an 8v and 16v, you just have to pick the one you prefer or suits your needs.
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well if your asking!!! 8v all the way for me and i have a 16v too
:grin:
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3....2....1 hewre we go again.... :undecided:
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well i think................. nah can't be arsed!
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Ok, we need to an 8V and a 16V, tie them togther via the towing eye's at the rear and see who wins :)
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good plan, but would it be the 8v as it
is more has more torguye lower down... :huh:
/me heads for the door
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there is a rolling road graph on clubgti forum somewhere which will settle that arguement :wink:
the 8v or 16v is basically down to how u drive.
if you like a screaming motor and drivig right on the edge then get a 16v
if u want something simple and nippy to drive then get a 8v
just remember u can get more power out of a moddeed 16v then a modded 8v
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I Spotted the key word!
there is a rolling road graph on clubgti forum somewhere which will settle that arguement :wink:
the 8v or 16v is basically down to how u drive.
if you like a screaming motor and drivig right on the edge then get a 16v
if u want something simple and nippy to drive then get a 8v
just remember u can get more power out of a moddeed 16v then a modded 8v
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lol....i wasnt taking the pi$$
its just easier to drive an 8v quick than a 16v
but a 16v is quick IMO :wink:
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good plan, but would it be the 8v as it is more has more torguye lower down... :huh:
/me heads for the door
no it doesn't. i've posted the output graphs three times so far on this forum. 16v has more power more torque at any point n the rev range.
if you want something gutless buy an 8v. if you want something interesting buy a 16v.
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lol....i wasnt taking the pi$$
its just easier to drive an 8v quick than a 16v
since when?
they both have a gearbox and an accelerator pedal. the amount of co-ordination needed to make them go faster is the same.
if you want a 16v to go fast use the accelerator - thats what its there for.
if you want an 8v to go fast. pray.
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ive got a '91 8v, i was debating between a 8v or 16v when i first got mine, i read up on the fact that 16v are quicker etc, but i only had £1500 to spend and it was my first insurance,and all the 16v's i saw for sale were complete dogs, they had been thrashed. so when a mint 8v came up for sale it was too good to pass up, im a bit of a fanny driver cos i never take my car to the red line and apparently this is where 16v's come alive so im happy with my 8v, its a big jump from a crappy 1.4 honda civic
id say have a go of both and see which one suits your driving style, i use my gti everyday and i must admit i do drive it quite hard but not enough to get myself into trouble
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erm simple fact:
8v quick from a standing start up to about 2.5k on revs.
16v slow up until 2.5k revs when it comes on cam and then screams until you change gear.
Tbh i would have a 16v over an 8v any day of the week, i find them much more refined, and better to drive, but maybe that is just personal preferance. Torque etc do not really come into it, as the 16v out does the 8v each and every time.
Fact is that 8v will move off quicker as the stroke is shorter meaning a nice bit of mean accelleration, but other than that will be left for dust by a 16v, hence why nearly every track mk1-2 are 16v's.
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erm simple fact:
8v quick from a standing start up to about 2.5k on revs.
16v slow up until 2.5k revs when it comes on cam and then screams until you change gear.
who gives a f**k about 2.5k rpm? since when have you raced around town limiting yourself to 2.5k traffic light racing?
2.5k is generally the point at which you should be at in town anyway as you dont stress the engine from pulling away at low rpm, and its actually running fairly efficiently at that point as well.
if you want to get gritty - stick a 16v into 5th at 1200rpm and do the same with an 8v. then see who gets to 2500rpm quicker. clue - its not the milk float. its the car with more power and torque.
gee, give up about the 8v.
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erm simple fact:
8v quick from a standing start up to about 2.5k on revs.
16v slow up until 2.5k revs when it comes on cam and then screams until you change gear.
who gives a f**k about 2.5k rpm? since when have you raced around town limiting yourself to 2.5k traffic light racing?
anyone who is looking at this convo from the point of where a 8v becomes in-effective against a 16v. Which consequently i was.
I'm not arguing for the 8v as i know what a 16v can do, maybe you need to look at my post before going off on one about who sh!t it is. Each to their own some are 16v nuts some are 8v nuts.
Nothing more to say.
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I find that there isn't much difference between till about 70+ mph where the 16v just goes bye bye. But round a tight country road where getting up to above 80 is difficult there is nothing in it. I drive this little good road near where I live and theres one specific corner where I used to come out of in third gear and I find at this corner the 8v pulls more out of it bettter than the 16v just painly due to the fact thet the 8v can pull better from 2800-4000 rpm.but after that it starts to dye off. The 8v is a better engine. Ask a good VAG mechanic?
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Fact is that 8v will move off quicker as the stroke is shorter meaning a nice bit of mean accelleration
I'm confused by this comment, can you explain please? :laugh:
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erm simple fact:
8v quick from a standing start up to about 2.5k on revs.
16v slow up until 2.5k revs when it comes on cam and then screams until you change gear.
who gives a f**k about 2.5k rpm? since when have you raced around town limiting yourself to 2.5k traffic light racing?
2.5k is generally the point at which you should be at in town anyway as you dont stress the engine from pulling away at low rpm, and its actually running fairly efficiently at that point as well.
if you want to get gritty - stick a 16v into 5th at 1200rpm and do the same with an 8v. then see who gets to 2500rpm quicker. clue - its not the milk float. its the car with more power and torque.
gee, give up about the 8v.
yeah but getting a good start is everything you f**k up your f**ked.......simple really, if you pull away quicker your gonna win......wink.....
And you take the bate far to easily...
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Fact is that 8v will move off quicker as the stroke is shorter meaning a nice bit of mean accelleration
I'm confused by this comment, can you explain please? :laugh:
yeah so am i cos the stroke is the same..........same bottom end just a different head.......
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oh an tin mate dont take every 16v/8v debate as a personal attack against you. neither car is better than the other as a car. they just perform differently in any given situation. performance wise the 16v is above the 8v of course it is or vw wouldnt have released it!
you cant win this argument some people aare gonna argue 16v some people are gonna argue 8v nothing you can do about so calm down and dont take offence. but to say 8v is gutless is a bit unfair. mk3 maybe but thats an entirely different argument!
1.8 cl anyone?
some one lock this now
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why oh why do some people get so high and mighty,, you got 16v,, they got 8v,, we all got a car, a vw golf gti !!!
each to there own, we all belong to the same forum,, no sqaubling please... :angry: :angry:
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everyone is entitled to their opinions about the variations of golfs.
Each to their own.
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why oh why do some people get so high and mighty,, you got 16v,, they got 8v,, we all got a car, a vw golf gti !!!
each to there own, we all belong to the same forum,, no sqaubling please... :angry: :angry:
its not high and mighty, its simply pointing out time and time again that the 8v is inferior across the range. no matter how many people bring up this matter it hangs around because some 8v owners refuse to see sense that their car is slower.
when they lose one argument they then move onto to town drivability! sorry, but there are nicer cars to drive in town than a Golf GTI whether its an 8v or 16v. I doubt whether anyone here has bought an 8v on the basis that its:
a) good to drive in town
b) its good to 2.5k rpm
if that is your criteria for buying a car - buy a Driver. you get better mpg, much nicer gearbox, a car that is probably less ragged, and looks just as good and probably costs less to insure.
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purplemonkeydishwasher :laugh:
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doesn't bother me 8v or 16v, i just bought it from a bloke at work, he spent all money doing it up,, now he got a 16v and now he's doing that up.. and he done a good job on it, and your right bout insurance too, my 4 years no claims had ran out by 3 months due to not having a car on road for 2 years..so got to start all again,,  :cry: :cry: and its the nippiest car i've had, had a 2ltr mg montego ages ago, golf alot quicker than that too.
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If you're happy with your car that all that matters. Just remember not to race me if you find me at a set of lights ;-)
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there both slow to be honest, im bored of the 16v's power :tongue:
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there both slow to be honest, im bored of the 16v's power :tongue:
2 litre bottom end and throttle bodies grab ya???
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that should help :grin:
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sweet
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16v is awesome when you've been driving 8v for ages. the top end is balistic and alive 4.5k+
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what happened at Festival Dizzie?
i'm sure i saw you setting a truly appaling time on the 1/4mile. something didn't look right.
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I would be embarrased to be beaten by an 8v in my 16v (any of them) Never had an 8v get close to beating me yet!!
Would be nice to have a bit more power but after putting an MI16 into A 309 I CAN'T BE BOTHERED WITH THE HASSLE!!
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purplemonkeydishwasher :laugh:
Nothing wrong with a Golf Driver, Matey!!!
Only got it cos the insurance on a 1.8GTI was immense as a first car!!!!
The Driver is Still pokey enough mind!!
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:laugh: :laugh:
dont worry, im thinking of going back to a 1.2 when i get a car for my placement, llooooooow insurance :grin:
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1.3 sorry....
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Its strange how people still argue about 8 and 16v cars.
16v has nearly 30 bhp more, need i say anymore?  :laugh:
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purplemonkeydishwasher :laugh:
Have you forgotten to take you tourettes medication again mix? :grin:
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i will endth the debate. a std 16v will behave exactly as an 8v in the lower rev range. after 4k rpm the 16v goes it alone. that is if you have a good 16v!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/d_rechlin/16v8.jpg)