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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Khare on 06 November 2011, 17:00
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Had my MOT yesterday and although my only two advisories were the rear bearings, the discs and pads are getting low.
Up front I have 288mm discs with Mintex M1144 pads, which are great. At the back I'm looking for something a bit less aggressive. I've sourced a pair of brand new discs from an average manufacturer (Trupart). Padswise it's bewteen these two.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINTEX-REAR-BRAKE-PADS-VW-GOLF-MK3-GTI-2-0-93-97-MDB1377-/330614391021?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cfa2740ed#ht_4033wt_1002 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINTEX-REAR-BRAKE-PADS-VW-GOLF-MK3-GTI-2-0-93-97-MDB1377-/330614391021?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cfa2740ed#ht_4033wt_1002)
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rear-Brembo-Brake-Pads-VW-Golf-Mk3-2-0-Gti-91-96-/400181481921?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5d2cacd1c1#ht_2505wt_952 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rear-Brembo-Brake-Pads-VW-Golf-Mk3-2-0-Gti-91-96-/400181481921?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5d2cacd1c1#ht_2505wt_952)
As I've already got Mintex up front I'd quite like to keep Mintex setup all round, however if the Brembo's are better then I'll go for them. So, please share your thoughts :smiley:
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Remember rears do little or no work until you have weight in the back, and then its limited by the bias valve.
Its a non track car so stay with the cheap disc theme and go for some hard wearing ATE or Pagid imo, you can tell people they are all mintex as nobody will know or care :smiley:
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Remember rears do little or no work until you have weight in the back, and then its limited by the bias valve.
Its a non track car so stay with the cheap disc theme and go for some hard wearing ATE or Pagid imo, you can tell people they are all mintex as nobody will know or care :smiley:
No bias valve on the Mk3's as far as I know :undecided: At least on the GTI's anyway. Don't want hard wearing pads as they'll be no feel on the brakes.
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You wont notice the extra dosh on rear pads either on the pedal or stopping distance.
Unless you have a power monster 1.8t and or track car with uprated discs and braking set up it is a waste of money.
I Have gone through sets of EBC on the front discs without changing the rears they do bugger all.
Best off spending more on the fronts, bigger discs calipers etc if you want stopping power.
By all means its your dosh but it will only be for the kudos of saying Mintex/Brembo all round :smiley:
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Search Akebono, very good brake manufacturers :cool:
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rears do work.
I had no abs in my 16v. I had greenstuff up front and mintex rears. the rears used to lock up when braking hard on cold brakes. once the greenstuff warmed up it was alright and they locked up lol
get the mintex
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Cheers mate, it's what I was thinking. The front mintex are great quality, no doubt the OEM quality stuff is just as good!
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Bought them. Cheers for the help guys, and VW BUSH thanks for trying to persuade me to buy something else :grin:
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they're what I had. good pads :wink:
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Iv got Mintex discs and normal mintex pads on mine.. i running a lot of power.. they do a grand job. nuff said :wink:
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Bought them. Cheers for the help guys, and VW BUSH thanks for trying to persuade me to buy something else :grin:
Just trying to save you some dosh, I can see a point on Brads motor as he is 200bhp+ :cool:
But as said its your money dude :cool:
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Thing is braking from 60mph is the same for all cars, be it whether you have 1000hp or 100hp.
Bearing in mind £20 gets you some cheap ass pads from AVS car parts it's not bad price £20 for some Mintex pads :smiley:
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not exactly right but i get the point :cool: Heavier the vehicle , the more stopping power required. :nerd:
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not exactly right but i get the point :cool: Heavier the vehicle , the more stopping power required. :nerd:
I meant all cars the same weight :grin:
Put myself and Brad's car as an example. If we're both on the motorway and we both brake we're going to require the same stopping power, even though he's got 100hp more than me :smiley:
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my car will soon have over 300BHP and ill still be keeping the back set up the same
iv got the same front set up as khare too, and the perform superb even with my engine. however after extreme heavy breaking from 150 down to 30 the pads were smoking very very badly (to the point i thought i was going to have a fire on my hands..
Now its not everyday you will give them so much abuse but the front brakes on mine are going to be swapped out for something more capable at some point soon
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Standard golf 3 brakes aren't made to do 150mph... :grin:
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Standard golf 3 brakes aren't made to do 150mph... :grin:
this is something iv found out :laugh:. but they are bloody good brakes all the same :cool:
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Standard golf 3 brakes aren't made to do 150mph... :grin:
this is something iv found out :laugh:. but they are bloody good brakes all the same :cool:
Its even worse on my car, with an auto there is no engine braking like with a manual car.
I'm not sure what the size of the discs are, but its got 4 brake pads on each wheel :grin:
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are they expensive having 4 per wheel :shocked:
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are they expensive having 4 per wheel :shocked:
Yes a brake overhaul is a bit steep :grin:
Discs are 314 x 30 as well.
If you are going for 300bhp plus, you're going to need to uprate yours :lipsrsealed:
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well my remap has not been done yet, well their is a very basic base map on and its around the 250 bhp, 280lbft mark
after the map has been done it will be around the 270 bhp mark
Next year I'm looking at a GT28 or a GT30 Big turbo kit.. so we are looking at anything from 350 to 400 bhp.. need some very Good brakes for it. seen a few kits i like but its all ££££ :lipsrsealed:
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Stand back and wait for it to go bang :lipsrsealed: :grin:
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Stand back and wait for it to go bang :lipsrsealed: :grin:
internals can cope with 350 standard, but ill be uprating the con rods to be safe.. will be genuine power too and not just made up figures like most peoples are
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Stand back and wait for it to go bang :lipsrsealed: :grin:
internals can cope with 350 standard, but ill be uprating the con rods to be safe.. will be genuine power too and not just made up figures like most peoples are
I read that the bottom end is good for 400bhp, not sure if its true though, that's why the block is so heavy.
Brakes and LSD next then.
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yeah 400, but id never wanna push it so far hence why i say 350..
deffo brakes and deffo a LSD needed.. everything is expensive tho so i have to choose what i got for very wisely. the car is extremely fast as it is, it does not need much more to keep up with most things on the road (or even beat them), but no point having the power their if you can't get in onto the tarmac :smiley:
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need some very Good brakes for it. seen a few kits i like but its all ££££ :lipsrsealed:
Your limited by wheels in a way, unless you switch to bigger wheels 312mm is the biggest you can run.
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312mm should be good enough.
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312mm should be good enough.
Guess so but what is the limit, 350bhp is asking a lot.
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not exactly right but i get the point :cool: Heavier the vehicle , the more stopping power required. :nerd:
I meant all cars the same weight :grin:
Put myself and Brad's car as an example. If we're both on the motorway and we both brake we're going to require the same stopping power, even though he's got 100hp more than me :smiley:
This is only accounting for a "freewheel situation" with the car in gear and breaking with the clutch engaged you will find Brads pads are going have more resitance from the engine therefore be under a lot more load. Brad has 100bhp more than std abf and I dare say at least twice the torque and maybe some more weight so he will need a high load friction material to be able to stop it while not burning up on those "Private road test sessions" at high speeds :wink:
The rear pads do very little work in comparison to fronts on both std and track cars, if your rear brakes lock up then you will find the back end is going the wrong way very quickly.
( A very good reason to not have sticky/siezed calipers on the rear of your car)
Even on non abs cars you will see a car in full skid with the fronts locked and the rears still spinning
This is why cars are biased with more stopping power to the front wheels (this is done via a valve or by feed diameter) so that they have more control under heavy braking or in a skid.
In a standard Mk3 Golf or any other Hatchback car of its ilk you will find the rear stopping power more than adequate for the car and very very difficult to glaze over or burn the friction material.
This is why uprated pads and discs on the rear of a normal car are more about kudos than actual improvement.
Trust me I have sat the exam got the certificate and built the hydraulic rig to test the friction material
The fronts however are a very different story :smiley:
As said it is your choice and money all along and for £20 it aint gonna hurt is it :cool:
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312mm should be good enough.
Guess so but what is the limit, 350bhp is asking a lot.
Mine is 312mm, 300bhp with auto transmission, that's alot work :laugh:
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312mm should be good enough.
Guess so but what is the limit, 350bhp is asking a lot.
Mine is 312mm, 300bhp with auto transmission, that's alot work :laugh:
yeah disc size is not that much of a worry to me, I'm more bothered about the actual calliper and pad set up
Im no way fitting a bigger wheel anyhow..
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hispec :wink: they got some kits for mk3's but the 312mm 2 piece disc's are a lot
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what are the prices
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what are the prices
http://www.bigbrakes4u.co.uk/hi-spec-brake-kits/hi-spec-road-car-front-big-brake-kits/hi-spec-300mm-billet-4-conversion-kits/hi-spec-vw-golf-mk3-300mm-billet-4-conversion-kit/prod_886.html?review=write
I was looking at these a month ago.
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http://www.hispecbrake.co.uk/Mk.%202%20&%203%20310mm%20Billet%204.html (http://www.hispecbrake.co.uk/Mk.%202%20&%203%20310mm%20Billet%204.html)
go on the road conversions to see there fall range :wink: